Xbox One - General Discussion Thread

Good to see it go. Never had a reason to believe there would be a flood of games that used it to it's advantage that made the experience above everything else...and looks like that is still the case. Now they have to compete with a system that by all accounts is the exact same thing except more powerful. The way to win over people? Games games games. Now I'm excited to see what Microsoft does.

 
4thHorseman said:
The way to win over people? Games games games. Now I'm excited to see what Microsoft does.
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Exactly. And I'm glad they announced this before E3. Should be a great show this year with lots of big game announcements from all three console makers, no new hardware, price crap, drm crap like last year.
 
4thHorseman said:
Good to see it go. Never had a reason to believe there would be a flood of games that used it to it's advantage that made the experience above everything else...and looks like that is still the case. Now they have to compete with a system that by all accounts is the exact same thing except more powerful. The way to win over people? Games games games. Now I'm excited to see what Microsoft does.
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Sounds like last gen with 360 and ps3
 
4thHorseman said:
Now they have to compete with a system that by all accounts is the exact same thing except more powerful.
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A fact which the average consumer is, no doubt, completely oblivious to. It's sad that most people refuse to research what goes into the products which they purchase but I guess that not everyone can be a cheap ass. ;)

 
Deader2818 said:
Remember all the "leaks" last year that weren't true? I honestly wouldn't put any stock in them.
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I don't know what you're talking about. I know the leak with the entire rundown of conference and playable games said that Nintendo would feature a new Zelda game on Wii U that has not only not been announced yet...but is already playable. Don't see how these leaks could be false :razz:

 
Deader2818 said:
Remember all the "leaks" last year that weren't true? I honestly wouldn't put any stock in them.
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If this turns out false the dude did great job at making fake e3 papers. I seen a site that had a photo of all e3 press conf info including games showed. I can't link it now seeing I'm not on my computer but will later.
 
TimboSliceGB said:
If this turns out false the dude did great job at making fake e3 papers. I seen a site that had a photo of all e3 press conf info including games showed. I can't link it now seeing I'm not on my computer but will later.
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Ok. You can believe what you want. Ill just wait and see. Its not hard to fake anything.
 
FellOpenIan said:
A fact which the average consumer is, no doubt, completely oblivious to. It's sad that most people refuse to research what goes into the products which they purchase but I guess that not everyone can be a cheap ass. ;)
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Or most people could care less if a system is little more powerful then another just like 360 and ps3. Last I checked it's all about the games.
 
TimboSliceGB said:
Sounds like last gen with 360 and ps3
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But there were key differences last gen. The 360 had a year head-start to establish itself as the go-to console (on top of the poor job Sony did with consoles available and the price of them), and the 360 was easier to develop for. Now, they come out at the same time and the PS4 appears to be easier for devs to work with.

 
Deader2818 said:
Remember all the "leaks" last year that weren't true? I honestly wouldn't put any stock in them.
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I'm sure some of the leaks for all three consoles will be false, as always. But I expect a lot of it to pan out. There's no new hardware etc. this time, and it's early in a console war, so all companies need to show a lot of heavy hitter games. Even if some is just announcements with early screen shots to build hype.

FellOpenIan said:
A fact which the average consumer is, no doubt, completely oblivious to. It's sad that most people refuse to research what goes into the products which they purchase but I guess that not everyone can be a cheap ass. ;)
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Yeah, the average gamer isn't aware of and/or doesn't care about games being 900p/30fps vs. 1080p/60fps etc. It will come down to what games they want to play.

MS will likely win North American now as they have the exclusive shooters like Halo and Gears that sell consoles to that crowd, and the online shooter crowd was mostly on 360 last gen so there's the brand loyalty factor as more of that market takes the next gen plunge.

Sony will likely win Europe fairly easily, and will of course dominate Asia. So they'll probably win world wide sales by a decent margin. But not as much as if MS had kept Kinect and not dropped price early.

4thHorseman said:
But there were key differences last gen. The 360 had a year head-start to establish itself as the go-to console (on top of the poor job Sony did with consoles available and the price of them), and the 360 was easier to develop for. Now, they come out at the same time and the PS4 appears to be easier for devs to work with.
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The system architectures are pretty much identical, the PS4 is just more powerful. So it's not easier to develop for, they can just get more out of it in terms of resolution, frame rates etc.
 
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Unlike 360ps3 launch online gaming as blown up. I already have live friends that are now getting x1 because of this price drop. At this point in gaming people make a choice by what their online friends are doing. As of right now x1 has the best 1st party lineup this fall. Don't forget with price drop could make alot of the cod people jump to next .gen
 
A good thought I just read on GAF about this not really impacting Kinect games...

People who buy the Kinect-less sku obviously aren't into it and probably wouldn't buy Kinect games anyway. Those who would buy Kinect games can still get the Kinect-sku.

So it shouldn't impact development there much really. Any limitation is just that many people aren't interested in Kinect games in the first place as the motion gaming fad seems to be severely winding down.
 
4thHorseman said:
Good to see it go. Never had a reason to believe there would be a flood of games that used it to it's advantage that made the experience above everything else...and looks like that is still the case. Now they have to compete with a system that by all accounts is the exact same thing except more powerful. The way to win over people? Games games games. Now I'm excited to see what Microsoft does.
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I think it's great since they finally got rid of all the stuff I didn't want so now I have an excuse to buy one. However, it's still too early in the generation for me to justify getting an Xbox One since I already have a Playstation 4. Although, the inverse would also be true if a had an Xbox One.

Hopefully there will be enough exclusive games for me by the time Halo 5 comes out.

 
KillerRamen said:
I think it's great since they finally got rid of all the stuff I didn't want so now I have an excuse to buy one. However, it's still too early in the generation for me to justify getting an Xbox One since I already have a Playstation 4. Although, the inverse would also be true if a had an Xbox One.

Hopefully there will be enough exclusive games for me by the time Halo 5 comes out.
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Agreed. Lots of good news today that has me excited for the Xbox potential. But as a PS4 owner, they have to give me a reason to buy their system too. I want to see the commitment long term, and I'm not sure it's there. But it sounds better and better.

 
Agreed. Lots of good news today that has me excited for the Xbox potential.
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I'm glad Microsoft is making XBOX Live like Playstation Plus.  It's funny how MS made online console gaming great, then Sony came in with PS+ which is awesome, now MS following suit with that with FREE games and Discounts.

 
doubledown said:
I'm glad Microsoft is making XBOX Live like Playstation Plus. It's funny how MS made online console gaming great, then Sony came in with PS+ which is awesome, now MS following suit with that with FREE games and Discounts.
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True full circle but ya'll have to realize why PS+'s extras came about, they couldn't compete with Xbox Live. Initially their servers were crap, with tons of lag and disconnects but they've come a long way. Now it should be interesting to see Xbox Live and PS+ going toe to toe as pretty much even terms. Now Nintendo just needs to wake the fuck up. I'd be seriously interested in picking up that Mario Kart 8 Wii U bundle if I knew they had a competent online system behind it.

Still I think Xbox Live is still naambah quan with its cloud Azure servers and features.

 
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Spybreak9 said:
True full circle but ya'll have to realize why PS+'s extras came about, they couldn't compete with Xbox Live. Initially their servers were crap, with tons of lag and disconnects but they've come a long way.
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Well, the real advantage of the Playstation Network was not PS+. Sony was forward-thinking enough not to tie their on-line system to the console hardware too tightly. This made for slower integration and much slower adoption of desirable features. (hence why XBox Live worked so much better early on)

But with the shift to a new hardware generation, Sony's approach seems much more reasonable. XBox Live weathered the transition to new hardware poorly, with some expected features being stripped out. But PSN on the PS4 enjoyed feature parity with its previous incarnation, and made for a much smoother transition.

You can't really blame Microsoft for this particular kerfluffle, though. It's kind of a 20/20 scenario. It seems kind of obvious from this end, but nine years ago it's hard to believe anyone saw this coming.

And the recent news about the Kinect-less XBox One and paywall-less entertainment apps are all good news for consumers. Not quite so good for developers, especially developers who were working on Kinect-focused games. But for the XBox brand in general it will likely mean a strong holiday shopping season this year.

I am a little surprised Microsoft is caving on this issue. I was under the impression that the XBox One was selling fairly well, and for a profit. Complete market dominance isn't necessary when you're turning a profit.

 
[quote name="dmaul1114" post="11753724" timestamp="1399995977"]A good thought I just read on GAF about this not really impacting Kinect games...

People who buy the Kinect-less sku obviously aren't into it and probably wouldn't buy Kinect games anyway. Those who would buy Kinect games can still get the Kinect-sku.

So it shouldn't impact development there much really. Any limitation is just that many people aren't interested in Kinect games in the first place as the motion gaming fad seems to be severely winding down.[/quote]
It isn't necessarily that cut and dry. Say Joe Consumer buys the kinect less system. A developer comes along with a kinect game that's pretty good. Piques his interest. Problem is now that barrier to entry is much higher (at least his perception). Instead of dropping $60 on a game because he already paid for the kinect he will probably pay $150+. It is all a perception thing (pay now for kinect or later) but you lose that impulse purchase.


FellOpenIan said:
What really baffles me is that this announcement effectively tells a lot of people to not purchase an Xbox One in May.
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Surprises me it isn't before watchdogs. It would be nice to do before a big title but I'm sure they have their reasons.
 
Deader2818 said:
Yeah, as I said in another thread, why do this now? Why not just annouce it at E3 and then say you can go right now to stores and get it.
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Because it's fuckin' Tuesday, News Day!

The full circle of Xbox Live and PS+ along with the PSCamera being optional but being sold out everywheres and Kinect being offered optional now.

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FellOpenIan said:
What really baffles me is that this announcement effectively tells a lot of people to not purchase an Xbox One in May.
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Deader2818 said:
Yeah, as I said in another thread, why do this now? Why not just annouce it at E3 and then say you can go right now to stores and get it.
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My guess is that the April NPD numbers are really bad, and that's on top of losing to PS4 in Titanfall launch month in March. Given the availability is during E3 they probably were originally planning to announce it at E3. But with the bad sales, they decided they needed to generate some positive PR this month heading into E3 and try to get a little positive momentum going into the conference and hope to ramp it up with game reveals.

It's not like they would sell many consoles in May anyway. Titanfall didn't move many units, and they have no big exclusives coming out between now and the June 9th date anyway.

Renegade Moose said:
It isn't necessarily that cut and dry. Say Joe Consumer buys the kinect less system. A developer comes along with a kinect game that's pretty good. Piques his interest. Problem is now that barrier to entry is much higher (at least his perception). Instead of dropping $60 on a game because he already paid for the kinect he will probably pay $150+. It is all a perception thing (pay now for kinect or later) but you lose that impulse purchase.
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Sure. I just think that's pretty rare and most people are either interested in motion control games or completely not. And for core gamers--who early adopt--that seems to be mostly no interest in motion control stuff given the industry trends on that front now that the casuals who bought up Wii's and Kinects seem to have jumped ship or are still happy playing Wii Sports, Just Dance etc. on their Wiis/360s.

But maybe that's just my skewed view from being happy as shit at seeing motion gaming mostly dying off for now.
 
If only Phil Spencer was running things in the first place instead of those other idiots MS probably wouldn't be in their current situation. I'm glad they are improving things though. 

 
Renegade Moose said:
It isn't necessarily that cut and dry. Say Joe Consumer buys the kinect less system. A developer comes along with a kinect game that's pretty good. Piques his interest. Problem is now that barrier to entry is much higher (at least his perception).
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Still a better outcome that he's in the door at all, versus potentially not buying the console over the extra $100 up front.

 
NinjaPenguin777 said:
If only Phil Spencer was running things in the first place instead of those other idiots MS probably wouldn't be in their current situation. I'm glad they are improving things though.
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Phil Spencer was pretty big in supporting the Kinect before he took over so I wouldnt say that would be for sure.

 
Deader2818 said:
Phil Spencer was pretty big in supporting the Kinect before he took over so I wouldnt say that would be for sure.
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We may have had kinect, but the other situations that we ran into before launch may have been avoided. Or maybe he was just the best person to take over and clean up the sh*t storm that was left

 
It's just odd to purposefully tank your potential May sales numbers because the April numbers are bad. If it's being done to temper the bad news or get some momentum going into E3 then having two shit months just before the show seems like a really fucking weird thing to tout as a positive.

"Hey, look how much less we are sucking this month!" :wall:

 
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FellOpenIan said:
It's just odd to purposefully tank your potential May sales numbers because the April numbers are bad. If it's being done to temper the bad news or get some momentum going into E3 then having two shit months just before the show seems like a really fucking weird thing to tout as a positive.

"Hey, look how much less we are sucking this month!" :wall:
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May is a lost month either way, not much coming out in the way of games until the end of the month (Watchdogs/Wolfenstein). The question is how bad did they tank in April?

 
FellOpenIan said:
A fact which the average consumer is, no doubt, completely oblivious to. It's sad that most people refuse to research what goes into the products which they purchase but I guess that not everyone can be a cheap ass. ;)
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People are far more savvy than you're giving them credit for. But yeah there are people who will see Xbox and buy it without a second thought. But lumping all consumers into this category is silly. The Xbox should come $50 less than the PS4 to match the power disparity. Unfortunately the BOM for the Xbox sans Kinect actually is higher than that of the PS4, so Microsoft will never be able to undercut the PS4 without losing money. One thing is for sure things are about to get interesting.

 
TimboSliceGB said:
As of right now x1 has the best 1st party lineup this fall
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What games are coming out this fall that have release dates that make it's lineup better than the PS4? I believe Sunset Overdrive is the only game at this point, no?

TimboSliceGB said:
Boom apps no longer behind gold wall.

http://news.xbox.com/2014/05/xbox-delivering-more-choices

Plus games with gold coming to x1 in june

Plus game discounts
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So now it's basically a weaker PS4 with a $10 more expensive annual service.

 
I'm still hoping they allow people who've purchased physical games to play without needing the disc in the drive. I don't mind some sort of daily check in or whatever they were gonna do when this was in the original plans.

 
RiPPn said:
People are far more savvy than you're giving them credit for.
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My cynicism comes from my job:

I just had a guy who, last week, bought 100 XP machines for his business and was asking me about Microsoft dropping support for the OS and what all he can do about it. That's a mistake which 2 minutes of Google searching could have prevented and that shit happens all the damn time.

 
kill3r7 said:
May is a lost month either way, not much coming out in the way of games until the end of the month (Watchdogs/Wolfenstein). The question is how bad did they tank in April?
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Probably pretty bad since PS4 stock finally became readily available from mid March on, and they couldn't even outsell PS4 in March with Titanfall.

It probably won't be a gigantic number difference as I'd guess neither sold huge numbers since there were no big game releases in April, but still bad PR if they got doubled up or whatever.
 
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RiPPn said:
What games are coming out this fall that have release dates that make it's lineup better than the PS4? I believe Sunset Overdrive is the only game at this point, no?

So now it's basically a weaker PS4 with a $10 more expensive annual service.
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nothing set in stone yet but sounds like according to sites like neo that quantum break is also coming out this fall plus maybe halo 2 anv. ps4 as of right now has what the order so far.

Also who in there right mind pays 60 bucks for live? same with ps plus who pays 50.

 
the life of systems is longer then 6 months i doudt ms is worried about hurting sales in may. This price drop was a must for long haul for ms. This non kinect bundle pretty much means it's possible for ms to say come black friday have system sell for 400 with couple packed in games.  Plus with their first real major fall of x1 only games it's great they have system to match ps4 price.

 
TimboSliceGB said:
nothing set in stone yet but sounds like according to sites like neo that quantum break is also coming out this fall plus maybe halo 2 anv. ps4 as of right now has what the order so far.
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Neither console really has a solid release schedule this year yet. Hopefully that changes come E3. PS4 has Driveclub (barring any more potential delays) and more than likely The Last of Us Remastered. The Order 1886 may see this year, but haven't heard good things on how it's played the past few months, so it could get pushed. I think Planetside 2 is supposed to be available this year too?

Xbox has no solid confirmed dates this year, though Sunset Overdrive is likely and I wouldn't be shocked to see Halo Anniversary 2 and *maybe* Quantum Break, but I have a feeling Quantum Break will be early 2015.

The year always looks pretty bleak up until E3, then suddenly the fog from the rest of the year opens up and "HOLY HELL LOOK AT THAT SCHEDULE IN FALL/WINTER!". Hoping we are lucky enough for a good one this year exclusive wise.

 
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