Xbox One - General Discussion Thread

[Spybreak8]

People are far more savvy than you're giving them credit for. But yeah there are people who will see Xbox and buy it without a second thought.

Actually no they're not, a majority of the people grabbing the latest are without doin their research. Watched any launch footage of the people standing in line for each console, god what brain dead people. Same could be said about the PS4.

The Xbox should come $50 less than the PS4 to match the power disparity.

Well that's your opinion lol, both systems have their strengths and weaknesses.

http://youtu.be/CahIHYCUtws?t=11m52s

What games are coming out this fall that have release dates that make it's lineup better than the PS4? I believe Sunset Overdrive is the only game at this point, no?

So now it's basically a weaker PS4 with a $10 more expensive annual service.

This thread's title is "

Xbox One on the way. What are are your thoughts and which games are you looking forward to?
"

Forgive me for thinking that's not to down speak on the Xbox One all the time. The games lineup at this point are still unclear, that's what E3 is for.

[SIZE=12.727272033691406px]As for the rumors we're expecting a new Halo Anniversary/Anthology title, a possible Banjo-Kazooie title, a sequel to Forza Horizons, Sunset Overdrive, Quantum Break among the other games we still don't know yet. [/SIZE]

 

[RiPPn]

Forgive me for thinking that's not to down speak on the Xbox One all the time. The games lineup at this point are still unclear, that's what E3 is for.

[SIZE=12.727272033691406px]As for the rumors we're expecting a new Halo Anniversary/Anthology title, a possible Banjo-Kazooie title, a sequel to Forza Horizons, Sunset Overdrive, Quantum Break among the other games we still don't know yet. [/SIZE]

I wasn't trying to be negative, my comment was in response to Timbo saying "as of right now x1 has the best 1st party lineup this fall." Of course things will change and it may end up the Xbox does have a better line up, E3 will tell all, but as of right now his statement is false and that's all I was trying to say.

 

[Fell Open Ian]

Anyone lumping Sunset Overdrive into that awesome exclusives category should probably go play Fuse.

 

[RiPPn]

Anyone lumping Sunset Overdrive into that awesome exclusives category should probably go play Fuse.

I haven't played Fuse, but I've played Resistance and Ratchet and Clank, so I have high hopes.

 

[Spybreak8]

Anyone lumping Sunset Overdrive into that awesome exclusives category should probably go play Fuse.

One of these things is not like the other; Spyro, Ratchet and Clank, Resistance, Fuse.

The biggest thing with Fuse was look what EA did to that game's art direction. You remember how it looked before and then afterwards. That's why it's a huge plus that Insomniac Games gets to keep the rights for their IP on Microsoft's system as an exclusive. Besides, have you read up on the game, or even watched footage of it? I've got some faith in Sunset Overdrive being the Insomniac Games we used to know to be honest.

 

[eastx]

I wasn't trying to be negative, my comment was in response to Timbo saying "as of right now x1 has the best 1st party lineup this fall." Of course things will change and it may end up the Xbox does have a better line up, E3 will tell all, but as of right now his statement is false and that's all I was trying to say.

90 percent of what you say here is negative. Whatever the idea, if it's Xbox-related then all roads lead to the same place for you and Deader. Your agenda sucks. You know we don't want you doing that in this thread and you do it anyway. You have better things to do with your time than spread FUD and we all have much, much better things to do than read it.

 

[Fell Open Ian]

I've always found Insomniac's output to be mostly mediocre with occasional flashes of greatness. I just wouldn't lean on one of their games being any kind of a system seller like people seem to be hoping for with Sunset Overdrive.

 

[RiPPn]

90 percent of what you say here is negative. Whatever the idea, if it's Xbox-related then all roads lead to the same place for you and Deader. Your agenda sucks. You know we don't want you doing that in this thread and you do it anyway. You have better things to do with your time than spread FUD and we all have much, much better things to do than read it.

The thread topic specifically says "What are are your thoughts." This isn't a kumbaya thread where we drink the Microsoft kool-aid and pretend everything is green and fantastic. It's thoughts whether negative or positive. And like it or not the system has not been selling well. The discussion on sales figures that you and others were so up in arms about was a clear indication big things were coming like the announcements that happened today. But people like you in this forum want to just keep pretending.

Edit: I also want to note that it's funny that the people who were so upset about the direction of the thread when it was discussing the sales figures are the same people trying to derail the thread now by taking jabs at me.. curious, maybe I should cry to the mods.

 

[kill3r7]

I've always found Insomniac's output to be mostly mediocre with occasional flashes of greatness. I just wouldn't lean on one of their games being any kind of a system seller like people seem to be hoping for with Sunset Overdrive.

Who labeled it a system seller? Sunset Overdrive is game that lots of folks are excited about, myself included, but can we please wait until release before labeling it a system seller. Quite frankly, I'm not sure there are many games on the market today that can be considered system sellers, outside of a few big Nintendo titles, and even those games are not pulling their weight.

 

[TwistedShade]

Was quite surprised when I heard the news at work I'm not really sure I support the decision. Much of the OS will need to be changed in order to make navigation with a controller easier, and honestly I think using the Kinect will still be easier.

Additionally it'll need another media remote since the current one supports Kinect not to mention any other accessories that may need refreshes. 

Finally I don't agree with announcing it way before it launches that makes me think they're getting beaten by Sony so hard they need to prematurely announce this with hopes people will wait on it and not buy a PS4 instead.

 

[Fell Open Ian]

Who labeled it a system seller?

A lot of people are absolutely flipping their shit over the game like it's the second coming over at places like GAF and Reddit and so on. As in saying things like "I'm buying an Xbox One for Sunset Overdrive.".

 

[RiPPn]

Wow Yusuf Mehdi reason why the Xbox One sales aren't as good as the PS4's is pure gold:

"People have been more satisfied with the Xbox 360 than the PS3, so in that respect people have less of a need to upgrade in the short term due to regular updates for the Xbox 360."

Whole interview can be read here. Microsoft should really get rid of him and Phil Harrison as they are poison, and really the last 2 faces left from the Mattrick Xbox dark period.

 

[Fearia]

Personally, I'm meh on the idea.

It doesn't have any impact on me, as I already own the Xbox One with Kinect.  As do most of my friends.  After using it with Kinect since launch (along with a PS4), I couldn't imagine using it w ithout.

With that being said, Titanfall didn't have any kinect support.  At all.  That throws me off, since it's the Xbox One big title.

So, I don't really see it doing much other than helping sell the console to those that didn't like the idea of Kinect and just look at base prices.  Which doesn't seem to be that big of a deal to me, seeing as for $50 more not too long ago you could've picked up the console + Titanfall AND the Kinect.

It's good to see Microsoft trying though.  I still use my Xbox One more than my PS4, but it's mainly because I can watch TV through it and navigating everything is a breeze using voice commands.  If PS4 starts putting out better games, I might start using it more.  As it stands, I'm still trying to figure out what system to order Watch Dogs on . . . even if it looks better on PS4, it has to look significantly better to give up being able to play against my friends.

 

[kill3r7]

A lot of people are absolutely flipping their shit over the game like it's the second coming over at places like GAF and Reddit and so on. As in saying things like "I'm buying an Xbox One for Sunset Overdrive.".

Sunset Overdrive is very much in line with what GAF and Reddit users want/expect from games. It is a big colorful games with over the top silly action. Plus it is a new IP which looks to deliver unique gameplay. The total opposite of the typical military shooters. The only major flaw is that the main character is not customizable to allow the user to create a character that they can relate/identify with. So I can see them touting it as a system seller but I just don't see it.

 

[RiPPn]

As it stands, I'm still trying to figure out what system to order Watch Dogs on . . . even if it looks better on PS4, it has to look significantly better to give up being able to play against my friends.

I don't know if this helps your decision but this was announced today: Watch Dogs runs at 900p on PS4, 792p on Xbox One

 

[TimboSliceGB]

I don't know if this helps your decision but this was announced today: Watch Dogs runs at 900p on PS4, 792p on Xbox One

so pretty much no diff at all i doudt someone can tell the diff in 100 p. Man is it sad that the game is only running at 30 fps. I can't wait until games like this are not dub down just so it can run on last gen. Can't wait to see batman and the next gen only version of ac this fall.

 

[GBAstar]

so pretty much no diff at all i doudt someone can tell the diff in 100 p. Man is it sad that the game is only running at 30 fps. I can't wait until games like this are not dub down just so it can run on last gen. Can't wait to see batman and the next gen only version of ac this fall.

It's a big difference to people that don't know the difference.

All you need is an employee at WM, GS, BB, etc. to tell the customer "This runs better on the PS4" and it will lean them that way. Same thing with a customer refusing to buy 720p 32" or smaller TV's because they're told it's not actually HD or refusing to buy a TV because it's 60HZ and not 120HZ. Most people really could care less until they're told they should care about it.

 

[RiPPn]

It also matters to people with both consoles as they will buy the superior version no matter how slight the difference may be.

 

[TimboSliceGB]

you both are reaching on that just to make xbox one look bad once again what a shock. Like the typical walmart worker knows jack about resolution of a game and what not.  while walmart worker is at it they could walk the customer over to a high end pc and say well the game runs the best on here for couple hundred dollers more.

if you ps4 fanboys worry about resolution so much why are you even console gamers? why not just build your self a high end pc and can always have best looking games.

 

[bjstucker]

Just heard the news of games with gold on my One regret buying Halo Assault but cool we are also getting Max.

 

[GBAstar]

you both are reaching on that just to make xbox one look bad once again what a shock. Like the typical walmart worker knows jack about resolution of a game and what not.

The typical walmart employee doesn't know jack about refresh rates and TV resolution but it doesn't stop them from trying to steer a customer towards the TV with the higher refresh rate and resolution.

All the need to hear or read on the internet is that "games look/run/perform better on the PS4" and that is what they'll tell people.

 

[TimboSliceGB]

The typical walmart employee doesn't know jack about refresh rates and TV resolution but it doesn't stop them from trying to steer a customer towards the TV with the higher refresh rate and resolution.

All the need to hear or read on the internet is that "games look/run/perform better on the PS4" and that is what they'll tell people.

was that not the same case with last gen? you trully are picking at straws to chest pound on how amazing ps4 is.

 

[RiPPn]

you both are reaching on that just to make xbox one look bad once again

The only thing making the Xbox One look bad is the Xbox One. If Microsoft wouldn't have skimped on the Xbox One components and made a weaker box then this wouldn't even be a thing.

was that not the same case with last gen? you trully are picking at straws to chest pound on how amazing ps4 is.

Apparently you weren't around before 2009, it most certainly was the case until multiplats gained parity. Why do you think so many Xbox fans get excited about Direct X, they hope it will bring parity and stop resolution gate. Sadly a software API will likely not be the answer.

 

[TimboSliceGB]

The only thing making the Xbox One look bad is the Xbox One. If Microsoft wouldn't have skimped on the Xbox One components and made a weaker box then this wouldn't even be a thing.

Apparently you weren't around before 2009, it most certainly was the case until multiplats gained parity.

the components in the box are plenty to run games at 1080 p 60 fps just like ps4 and only people that don't know computer components would argue that. It all comes down to microsoft making mistakes in making the x1 so hard to program for and learned nothing from issues devs had with ps3 at the start. If ms was smart they would do everything they can that allows most companys to run games at highest res.

maybe with kinect gone from system mostly they can help game devs by taking away power from kinect and open it up for game power.

 

[Renegade Moose]

[quote name="TimboSliceGB" post="11755370" timestamp="1400025256"]the components in the box are plenty to run games at 1080 p 60 fps just like ps4 and only people that don't know computer components would argue that. It all comes down to microsoft making mistakes in making the x1 so hard to program for and learned nothing from issues devs had with ps3 at the start. If ms was smart they would do everything they can that allows most companys to run games at highest res.

maybe with kinect gone from system mostly they can help game devs by taking away power from kinect and open it up for game power.[/quote]
The kinect already wasn't required it just is not going to be sold with the system in that sku. They will still need to support it in the OS whether people are using it or not.

 

[TimboSliceGB]

The kinect already wasn't required it just is not going to be sold with the system in that sku. They will still need to support it in the OS whether people are using it or not.

i think os will get major overhaul. I really think it's a must it get's overhaul some thing in the system would suck with out kinect including recording clips/auto sign in can only be done with kinect.

 

[Renegade Moose]

[quote name="TimboSliceGB" post="11755412" timestamp="1400026008"]i think os will get major overhaul. I really think it's a must it get's overhaul some thing in the system would suck with out kinect including recording clips/auto sign in can only be done with kinect.[/quote]
I'm sure it will, but that still doesn't mean they can up and cut processing power for the features of an accessory that is bundled with one of their SKUs. 360 had a version without a hard drive. When they did OS overhauls they still had to keep in mind that there would be users without a hard drive.

 

[RiPPn]

the components in the box are plenty to run games at 1080 p 60 fps just like ps4 and only people that don't know computer components would argue that. It all comes down to microsoft making mistakes in making the x1 so hard to program for and learned nothing from issues devs had with ps3 at the start. If ms was smart they would do everything they can that allows most companys to run games at highest res.

maybe with kinect gone from system mostly they can help game devs by taking away power from kinect and open it up for game power.

So using your logic why build a gaming rig when you can just go down to walmart and buy an HP at 1/4th the cost, they are both made from computer components? Wrong bud, the PS4 hardware is superior and no ease of programming or software API can make up for this discrepancy. That's why this gen is different to last where the PS3 was able to catch up once programmers solved the puzzle that was the cell processor. Sure some games will hit 1080p 60fps on the bone, but in the case of Forza it took some serious graphical cuts to get it to hit that, I'm sure you've seen the pictures of the crowd and trees etc.

 

[TimboSliceGB]

if games can look like ryse/bf4 on x1 im fine with that those games looked amazing on x1 and just like 360 x1 has pretty good upscale built in. i have a gaming pc so if i want to play a game and want the best looking i will get it for pc.

Yes i agree forza 5 looked pretty bad on most things 

 

[TwistedShade]

The resolution game and the fps game doesn't matter, today alone we've had the Watch Dogs developers and The Witcher 3 guys both say they feel it's "Just a number" which I agree with as most Xbox One games I've seen (Like Ryse for instance) look fantastic. People (Read Sony fanboys) are just obsessed over this resolution situation for no reason other than to fanboy, I've never seen such false hype before and I somewhat think they more specifically care that he Xbox One isn't at their magic number rather than their own games being at it.

A good example to the pointlessness of it would be how everyone thought Killzone Shadowfall multiplayer looked amazing and they bragged about how it hit all those "Numbers" constantly then not long ago it finally gets revealed that they had lied and it wasn't native 1080p. So all this time these people are hyping up a game that doesn't hit that "Number" still looked fantastic and it slipped by everyone's eyes.

Same thing with Assassin's Creed 4. If I'm not mistaken reviewers and gamer's alike praised how "Gorgeous" it looked compared to the Xbox One and then not long later it was learned that the game was never running in 1080p and it still needed to be patched in. So once again this flew right past everybody's eyes and they clearly didn't notice a difference with it.

 

[Fearia]

Jokes on all of you.  I said "significant difference".  Playing with 1 friend I know IRL (who is in a different timezone) or being able to play with about 10 IRL friends (who are in the same timezone) . . . yeah, that's not significant enough.

Now, if the Xbox One version looks like shit in comparison, or crashes randomly . . . or just really sucks, well, there goes that.

This is what I don't think anyone in here going "my consoles peen is bigger and better!" seems to get:  Unless you like playing with that peen by yourself, it's about what others are playing on that you care about.

I'm really sick of people talking about how "this is better".  I don't care about how you think it's better, unless it actually is going to somehow change my world completely.  Stop trying to validate and put others down and let them enjoy what they have.  I mean, damn, I have both *AND* I still don't give a damn unless it's truly a mess!

Seriously, this should be a rule for this thread:  Don't have anything nice to say, then GTFO.  We don't want people raining on our fun.  At least I don't.

 

[TimboSliceGB]

in the end gameplay is all that matters who cares if a game looks amazing here and not so amazing there. when im playing watch dogs in two weeks i will not be like man this game sucks seeing it's only 792 p i should have got the ps4 version. 

 

[RiPPn]

Ryse did look nice, but it was a "corridor" game and still only ran at 900p.  Can the Xbox achieve Infamous level visuals which were superior to those in Ryse and in an open world game?  We shall see, but I wouldn't bet on it.

@Fearia:Who was saying mean things?  I thought this conversation was pretty civil.

 

[Fearia]

Ryse did look nice, but it was a "corridor" game and still only ran at 900p. Can the Xbox achieve Infamous level visuals which were superior to those in Ryse and in an open world game? We shall see, but I wouldn't bet on it.

@Fearia:Who was saying mean things? I thought this conversation was pretty civil.

I'd say you are being a negative Nancy in this thread. But hey, maybe that's just me. I just know I don't come to this thread to hear "Well, the PS4 does this better" type talk. Mainly because if I wanted to read about what the PS4 was doing, I'd go to the PS4 thread.

Case in point:

So using your logic why build a gaming rig when you can just go down to walmart and buy an HP at 1/4th the cost, they are both made from computer components? Wrong bud, the PS4 hardware is superior and no ease of programming or software API can make up for this discrepancy. That's why this gen is different to last where the PS3 was able to catch up once programmers solved the puzzle that was the cell processor. Sure some games will hit 1080p 60fps on the bone, but in the case of Forza it took some serious graphical cuts to get it to hit that, I'm sure you've seen the pictures of the crowd and trees etc.

 

[RiPPn]

I'd say you are being a negative Nancy in this thread. But hey, maybe that's just me. I just know I don't come to this thread to hear "Well, the PS4 does this better" type talk. Mainly because if I wanted to read about what the PS4 was doing, I'd go to the PS4 thread.

Case in point:

But I wasn't just throwing those thoughts out there, they were in the context of a conversation. You were the one debating which version of watch dogs to purchase, I only posted a link that confirmed the differences and said "I don't know if this will help you decide or not." It was others who made it into a "thing."

 

[DestroVega]

You should change your screen name to RiPPn on Xbox One.

No one really cares that you think the Xbox One should be cheaper because it's "not as powerful" or any of your other views on it. You obviously aren't a fan, so why are you wasting your time?

You're probably one of those guys who follow Larry Hryb and Xbox on Twitter just to snark though.

 

[TimboSliceGB]

from what i seen of second son in person i was little let down. yes the game was 1080 p but was only 30 fps and at times you could see frame rate issues. i would take a 900 p game if that means i get smooth 60 fps. 

 

[Fearia]

But I wasn't just throwing those thoughts out there, they were in the context of a conversation. You were the one debating which version of watch dogs to purchase, I only posted a link that confirmed the differences and said "I don't know if this will help you decide or not." It was others who made it into a "thing."

Actually, both you and GBAStar helped add fuel to the flames with your negativity. It went this way:

"Hey, here's a link to the differences!" by you - Good!

"Good, looks like there's not much of a difference." by TimboSliceGB - Good!

"You're wrong! There's a big difference!" by GBAStar - . . . seriously? You couldn't just keep the positivity GBAStar?

"Yup, it matters!" by you - . . . had to toss in the 2 cents, eh?

And then it just goes down hill. So, yeah. You may not of started the fire, but you definitely added to it.

 

[Sinfulfate]

Anyone else excited for Super Time Force?  Revision 3 has a nice 50 minute gameplay walk through with the developer and it looks awesome.  Can't wait to pick it up tomorrow.  

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xdAMr4qmKFA

 

[GBAstar]

Actually, both you and GBAStar helped add fuel to the flames with your negativity. It went this way:

"Hey, here's a link to the differences!" by you - Good!

"Good, looks like there's not much of a difference." by TimboSliceGB - Good!

"You're wrong! There's a big difference!" by GBAStar - . . . seriously? You couldn't just keep the positivity GBAStar?

"Yup, it matters!" by you - . . . had to toss in the 2 cents, eh?

And then it just goes down hill. So, yeah. You may not of started the fire, but you definitely added to it.

It's good to see that you do not know how to read.

I told Timbo (I write at a fourth grade reading level) Slice that the perception of a problem can be more important then the actual problem.

I said it doesn't matter if the problem is big or small what matters is that there is a problem.

But we'll just go full circle and you can tell us about the next system seller (hehe haha hehe haha) and how everything is fine because the X1 is beating expectations (what are they) and it is selling better then the 360 (no shit.... as if the general gaming audience hasn't increased in decade)

 

[TwistedShade]

It's good to see that you do not know how to read.

I told Timbo (I write at a fourth grade reading level) Slice that the perception of a problem can be more important then the actual problem.

I said it doesn't matter if the problem is big or small what matters is that there is a problem.

But we'll just go full circle and you can tell us about the next system seller (hehe haha hehe haha) and how everything is fine because the X1 is beating expectations (what are they) and it is selling better then the 360 (no shit.... as if the general gaming audience hasn't increased in decade)

Why don't you just leave this forum and go somewhere else. We don't need people debating system wars and trying to start something here. I was positive that when I opened CAG after work I was going to find that this thread would be derailed by Sony fan boys and sure enough it was by the same usual crowd.

 

[Fearia]

General thought:

We ignore the haters, and move on until the mods come clean up.    Just saying, if I wanted to hear negativity and flamebaiting on console wars, I'd head to any of the other gaming sites out there.  I don't come to CAG to hear fan boys talk down to others.

 

[RiPPn]

Anyone else excited for Super Time Force? Revision 3 has a nice 50 minute gameplay walk through with the developer and it looks awesome. Can't wait to pick it up tomorrow.

I think it looks cool, but then again I like indie games which a lot of Xbox fans don't, or maybe they didn't because the competition was killing in this area. Anyway, any word on price? I think I heard it's an Xbone exclusive.

Edit: Looks like it's $15 and also on the 360.

 

[Kylearan]

I'm assuming there was a whole lot of noise since the Kinect-less announcement.. to which I say a big, fat 'whatever.'

Price parity with the Playstation 4 is a good thing - and should have been standard from the get-go. Whether $399 was without Kinect or, preferably, WITH Kinect, is besides the point. It's a smart move and clearly needed, especially going into E3.

I welcome it. Welcome the new gamers. And welcome the games that'll come down the pipeline that wouldn't otherwise, with the new management making a serious effort to change the focus of Xbox One to games, where it should have been all along.

Good move and overdue.

 

[FriskyTanuki]

The next thing I need Phil Spencer to spearhead is a new policy of supporting Cross Buy for digital games and DLC coming out on Xbox One and Xbox 360. Pinball FX2 cannot be released without Cross Buy support.

 

[RiPPn]

USING SONY'S PLAYBOOK, MICROSOFT WILL ATTEMPT XBOX ONE'S TURNAROUND

dat headline...

Anyway very interesting article over at IGN.

 

[Fearia]

USING SONY'S PLAYBOOK, MICROSOFT WILL ATTEMPT XBOX ONE'S TURNAROUND

dat headline...

Anyway very interesting article over at IGN.

Definitely interesting.

Personally, I like the differences and differentiation between the two products. I really like what makes the Xbox "different". But borrowing the positives from it's competition can never hurt, unless it kills what makes the positives that they've built so far.

Overall, I see it as a good move though still. I don't know why someone would want a kinect-less version of the console, but that's coming from the standpoint of someone who uses the voice commands daily.

I do hope they make a way to shortcut certain commands on Smartglass though. And selling the kinect-less version seems like it'd push that forward. I really want to be able to just hit a shortcut button on my phone to auto record the past x amount of minutes. Then I won't have to stop playing in the middle of a multiplayer match if I want to record something past the last 30 seconds.

 

[Renegade Moose]

[quote name="Fearia" post="11755685" timestamp="1400031045"]General thought:

We ignore the haters, and move on until the mods come clean up. Just saying, if I wanted to hear negativity and flamebaiting on console wars, I'd head to any of the other gaming sites out there. I don't come to CAG to hear fan boys talk down to others.[/quote]That's usually what I tend to do. It seems to take a few days but eventually they get bored and go away for a while.

 

[DestroVega]

dat headline...

lol

 

[Spokker]

The problem is that while there is price parity, there is not hardware parity. The PS4 still has a GPU about 50% more powerful in theoretical terms. It's about half a year after launch and we are still seeing differences in performance, and I don't see it disappearing anytime soon. I predict that within a year or two games on both systems will be hitting 720p/30 FPS and that's when we'll see some real differences in thing like shadows, shaders, texture quality, level of detail settings (pop-in) and so on. At the end of the day they are both budget hardware that developers must make compromises on, but all other things being equal, developers will make more compromises on Xbox One than on PS4 on average.

I do see Xbox One sales increasing in short-time. That's obvious anytime you lower the price of anything. However, informed consumers will be equipped with this knowledge. This move will improve the situation but it will not make miracles happen.

What Microsoft has going for it is a platform and a brand name, and I think most of the consumers who value those things have bit, but is it enough if the hardware cannot pump out the same performance as the similarly priced PS4?