Why did you get an Xbox One at all, then? Why not just get Watch Dogs for Xbox 360?
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I can answer your question:
I got an Xbox One because despite not caring about slight differences in looks, I wanted an upgrade. I also very fully enjoy the all-in-one experience of being able to watch TV, see when friends come online / play games, browse the internet, and all the other things the console does. All in one place, all at the same time.
That is why I got this console, and why it's seeing such use. Minor graphical differences doesn't make up for the overall experience.
I got the system to play
Titanfall, Forza 5 and Battlefield 4 with 64 f'n people servers.
Snap integration, Swapping from game to game, instant resume, Kinect auto sign in/voice commands, smartglass integration and Twitch viewing/broadcasting/GameDVR are much appreciated. It's a fun machine and I could care less about performance numbers.
I ended up getting PowerStar Golf, Ryse, Peggle 2, Plants vs Zombies Garden Warfare and I couldn't have any better gaming experiences.
Looking forward to Max, heard a lot of good things but I have quite the backlog on my 360 too.
Titanfall, Forza 5 and Battlefield 4 with 64 f'n people servers.
Snap integration, Swapping from game to game, instant resume, Kinect auto sign in/voice commands, smartglass integration and Twitch viewing/broadcasting/GameDVR are much appreciated. It's a fun machine and I could care less about performance numbers.
I ended up getting PowerStar Golf, Ryse, Peggle 2, Plants vs Zombies Garden Warfare and I couldn't have any better gaming experiences.
Looking forward to Max, heard a lot of good things but I have quite the backlog on my 360 too.
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I got my system for Xbox Fitness, but I made the mistake of not doing research and finding out it only has 1 or 2 workouts from an entire series rather than having the entire series. It essentially makes it worthless, add in the inaccuracy of Kinect and the fact that it kicks you out of the routine if/when it disconnects from live, which happens far more often than it should and I was severly disappointed.
I rented Ryse and beat it in an evening, it was fun but forgettable.
I bought Dead Rising 3, but couldn't get into it, might give it another go.
Peggle 2 actually got the most use, both me and my wife finished it, need to go back and get the DLC.
Other than that it has been used to power on my entertainment center and a passthrough for DirecTV. I am looking forward to Max and Spartan Assault, I actually contemplated buying those on several occasions so yeah can't wait. Might grab Super Time Force, but wish it was $10. Also looking forward to Sunset Overdrive as well.
E3 should be fun, really hoping they justify my purchase.
I rented Ryse and beat it in an evening, it was fun but forgettable.
I bought Dead Rising 3, but couldn't get into it, might give it another go.
Peggle 2 actually got the most use, both me and my wife finished it, need to go back and get the DLC.
Other than that it has been used to power on my entertainment center and a passthrough for DirecTV. I am looking forward to Max and Spartan Assault, I actually contemplated buying those on several occasions so yeah can't wait. Might grab Super Time Force, but wish it was $10. Also looking forward to Sunset Overdrive as well.
E3 should be fun, really hoping they justify my purchase.
Dead Rising 3 had me hooked for some time. Xbox Fitness did as well. If you haven't checked it lately, you may want to. They've been adding more workouts sporadically.
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Aye, Xbox fitness is the reason I was an early adaptor. It may only have 1-3 workouts from a program, but if you know much about fitness you can easily put together a weekly schedule and hit all muscle groups. Hell, there are 3 Insanity workouts on there, just do those and you'll be fine for a bit. Tracking on a few programs is still a bit wonky (Mossa Abs I'm looking at you!), but they put out patches and fix things quite often. I'm down 8 pounds and have a lot more muscle and tone than when I started. Only reason I haven't seen more results is....well I love chocolate, and I was already a healthy weight to begin with. Currently on stamp card 35, working towards 50. If anyone else playing wants to add me to beat me on challenges feel free.
Kinectless sku? I have no regrets buying the One when I did. I use it nearly everyday. But if it brings in more gamers and more games are developed, so be it.
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First. In reference to an earlier post about Sunset Overdrive. It does have character customization (apparently a lot of it).
As far as that IGN article, it's trash. MS isn't following Son'y ditching of the "forced" move because move was never forced on anyone. What's more Sony announced early that they were going to show after MS at the last E3 to see what happened. The kinect reveal went to shit and Sony dropped the camera the originally planned to have included.
So I'm going to be that guy and say that this news makes me want to ditch my Xbox on Craigslist. Didn't want PS4 and PS+ because I don't like the infinite-rental system and I didn't want a console that just played games. Now after saying they wouldn't go this route they're Xbox+ing their service and after soft selling the system at $450 with a digital game (though not making a lot of noise about it) they're freaking out because sales are too low. After saying they are playing the long game and they're cool with the small early sales because they'll get more in time.
Sony released an eye camera a generation and one game to go with it. Then nothing. I was really expecting different of MS, so I'm pretty annoyed.
Also this ( http://www.joystiq.com/2014/05/13/harmonix-reacts-to-kinect-less-xbox-one-in-tweets-statement/ ) Implies they didn't give anyone a warning that this was coming, leaving at least some developers to recalculate some things.
On top of all that, Phil does an interview and says they're working on kinect-less voice commands and their are implications that the kinect-less xbox means a more powerful system.
Might have to sell out for a Wii U. At least Nintendo will stick with there tech.
As far as that IGN article, it's trash. MS isn't following Son'y ditching of the "forced" move because move was never forced on anyone. What's more Sony announced early that they were going to show after MS at the last E3 to see what happened. The kinect reveal went to shit and Sony dropped the camera the originally planned to have included.
So I'm going to be that guy and say that this news makes me want to ditch my Xbox on Craigslist. Didn't want PS4 and PS+ because I don't like the infinite-rental system and I didn't want a console that just played games. Now after saying they wouldn't go this route they're Xbox+ing their service and after soft selling the system at $450 with a digital game (though not making a lot of noise about it) they're freaking out because sales are too low. After saying they are playing the long game and they're cool with the small early sales because they'll get more in time.
Sony released an eye camera a generation and one game to go with it. Then nothing. I was really expecting different of MS, so I'm pretty annoyed.
Also this ( http://www.joystiq.com/2014/05/13/harmonix-reacts-to-kinect-less-xbox-one-in-tweets-statement/ ) Implies they didn't give anyone a warning that this was coming, leaving at least some developers to recalculate some things.
On top of all that, Phil does an interview and says they're working on kinect-less voice commands and their are implications that the kinect-less xbox means a more powerful system.
Might have to sell out for a Wii U. At least Nintendo will stick with there tech.
You might want to wait on this idea. There are rumors of Nintendo ditching the GamePad and throwing in a Pro controller and selling at below $200. Although I don't think this is likely, especially with the new Nintendo NFC game on the horizon, but never say never because that's what people were saying about Kinect.
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basilofbkrst
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http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/01/21/ps4-sony-will-let-microsoft-make-first-move
EDIT: Also I <3 Francis.
Also Nintendo has held financial meetings and focused highly on the Wii U pad. So if they're trolling me and ditching it I will for the first time in my life switch to the dark side and be a PC gamer.
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Sorry I misread your original post, I thought you meant they asked to go second at E3 and removed the camera after seeing Microsoft's E3 conference, you are correct Sony did say they wouldn't announce the PS4 until Microsoft announced the successor to the 360, again sorry for the misunderstanding and I removed the comment.
And yeah like I said it's a rumor I don't expect to come true, but you never know what one will do when desperate.
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So I can play next gen only games
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Wow that was so predictable by everyone that isn't named Timbo.
So, does this officially complete the Xbox policies 180?
So, does this officially complete the Xbox policies 180?
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Pretty much.
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On the one hand, I'm a little disappointed in Microsoft. The direction they were taking with the XBox One was flawed from a market perspective, but it was also interesting. And it could have led to some interesting changes in the market and new experiments on the development side of things. It saddens to see them cave so soon.
On the other hand, these changes are very consumer-friendly, and that's hard to complain about. And these changes are also going to make the XBox One more competitive in the market. And I'm all on board for another fractured hardware generation. While some gamers lament not being able to purchase a single console, I recognize that this is actually the better approach. Some nice healthy competition is better for the consumer in the end, even if multiple hardware platforms are required to play all the games. The fractured nature of the console market is what's helping to keep prices down, despite the spiraling cost of development.
On the other hand, these changes are very consumer-friendly, and that's hard to complain about. And these changes are also going to make the XBox One more competitive in the market. And I'm all on board for another fractured hardware generation. While some gamers lament not being able to purchase a single console, I recognize that this is actually the better approach. Some nice healthy competition is better for the consumer in the end, even if multiple hardware platforms are required to play all the games. The fractured nature of the console market is what's helping to keep prices down, despite the spiraling cost of development.
We also need to consistently report their comments. You can't count on nobody responding to Rippn and his fellow goat eaters. Even if nobody does respond, they'll just troll between themselves and continue cluttering the thread. I kinda feel sorry for them - it's hard living under a bridge, what with the rain and goats tasting so gamey and all. But then I remember how they derive pleasure from annoying others, and how worthless that is.General thought:
We ignore the haters, and move on until the mods come clean up.Just saying, if I wanted to hear negativity and flamebaiting on console wars, I'd head to any of the other gaming sites out there. I don't come to CAG to hear fan boys talk down to others.
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It must be nice to live in a world where you enter a room and make a comment and everyone agrees with you. Is this thread your safety net? Is it where you go to make yourself feel better about your purchase?
There are many people out there who have not and will not consider buying an Xbox One and there are many people out there like myself that bought one at launch, aren't overly happy about the purchase, and feel that their console will sit gathering dust and just be used for the half dozen or so quality exclusives that Microsoft decides to make (Actual exclusives---not timed exclusives).
I'm already doing that with my Wii U; I would rather not be doing that with this as well.
But if you and the others are happy with your purchase great. No one is saying you should be upset---but to not entertain other POV and dismiss them as fanatic or trolling is a little weak minded don't you think?
I'm sure there are some fanboy sites where you can salivate over the words "snap" "apps" and "kinect" rather then discussing shortcomings.
It's just as crazy, IMO, for you (and others) to state that myself (or others) are grasping at straws for pointing out where the X1 is deficient while the apologists throw out responses like "It's not a big deal" "China FTW" and my favorite "System Seller".
Sometimes I wish that Microsoft just continued in their original direction so you fools could sink with the ship.
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Mmmm, I forgot to mention Xbox Fitness. I used it a lot during the spring and liked all the routines, except for those P90X intensity shit no thanks lol, but ever since the weather got nice here in NC I've been hitting the outdoor gym (biking and jogging on nearby parks and paths). I've also motivated myself to exercise regularly so I don't need a virtual trainer telling me come on pick up the pace, STFU I'm doing it!
Killer Instinct is also a good omission, It's really a great fighting game. Heck remember when everybody found out a no name studio was developing it? We were all like oh I hope it's good and wow did they deliver. It's got a bit of a learning curve but I think Killer Instinct is a perfect hey I just got the system let's check out K.I.. That's why I forgot to mention that too.
Then there's Project Spark, still waiting to see some cool stuff come out of that but it is nice that it's free to mess around with but I've been tackling my 360 backlog and Xbox One games currently.
Killer Instinct is also a good omission, It's really a great fighting game. Heck remember when everybody found out a no name studio was developing it? We were all like oh I hope it's good and wow did they deliver. It's got a bit of a learning curve but I think Killer Instinct is a perfect hey I just got the system let's check out K.I.. That's why I forgot to mention that too.
Then there's Project Spark, still waiting to see some cool stuff come out of that but it is nice that it's free to mess around with but I've been tackling my 360 backlog and Xbox One games currently.
Then sell them off. I stupidly bought a Wii U last fall and sold it off in March as it was gathering dust as I just don't enjoy many if Nintendo's games anymore. Haven't regretted it and I never will as I just don't have the time/interest to keep up with games on multiple platforms anymore. There no point in owning something you're unhappy with, and IMO no console is worth owning if you're only expecting a half dozen or so exclusives that appeal to you over its lifespan. Which is exactly why I ditched my Wii U. I saw at most 3 or 4 more must play type games over its life span for me, and that's just not reason to keep one when PS4 will get way more games that interest me than I'll ever have time to play anyway.
The rest of your post I mostly agree with, but that's just CAG. There isn't a while lot of interest in discussing game industry trends, sales battles etc on here. It's a bargain hunter site that thus attracts less of a hardcore gamer membership than a site like GAF, and having console specific forums worsens that as it's conducive to fanboys and makes the general gaming forum useless as no one reads it really outside if the GGT thread crowd. And they talk more about random shit than gaming anymore.
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That's not what anyone here actually does. Well, there was a guy like that in the Xbox One preorder thread last year, but he's probably off on a honeymoon with his system now.
What we come here to do is discuss the system, its games, and developments as they pertain to it. Sometimes those developments are good, sometimes bad, yes. But any non-asshole here does NOT have an agenda of trying to dissuade people in this thread from buying an Xbox One or trying to make other people in the thread less happy with the system or its games. That IS the specific, blatant agenda of a few of you guys. It's childish, it's fanboyish, and we could find half a dozen articles about why that's bad. But you would be unlikely to read them.
Point being, nobody needs you in the Xbox One thread to try to convince us that the system sucks, every game for it sucks, and that we're all doomed for liking it. Yeah, that's technically an opposing viewpoint. But it's also a dark and stupid one from which no benefit can be derived for anyone other than sociopaths. Instead of being negative asses, you system wars guys should head over to the Playstation 4 thread and try to concentrate on that system's positive side. But I guess there'd be nobody to annoy then?
Liking a console that you've chosen to hate doesn't make anybody a fool. Coming into a discussion thread for that console in order to troll, though...
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Deader2818
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No one is even saying Xbox One Sucks or trying to tell people not to buy one or not to be happy with it.
How you got all that out of what people are discussing, I have no idea.
How you got all that out of what people are discussing, I have no idea.
Richard Kain
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Raging against trolls is counter-productive. Well known fact. Getting into a tizzy over the trolls never works. Remember the time-honored internet mantra...
"Don't feed the trolls!"
At the same time, it's important to recognize that not all negativity is "trolling." And just blindly glad-handing a particular product isn't healthy either. It's important to take a step back and try to apply a little thought and analysis.
The XBox One is a bit on the troubled side. How do we know this? Because Microsoft has reversed their position on several major points of the system's design. Those aren't the actions of a company that is confident in their product. You could get all conspiracy-theory and claim that this was their plan all along. But I seriously doubt that Microsoft would intentionally give their major competitor a half-year lead. And I have yet to see any benefit from this waffling.
There is plenty of potential yet in the XBox One. I'm still salivating over Project Spark. But none of the potential justifies burying your head in the sand.
"Don't feed the trolls!"
At the same time, it's important to recognize that not all negativity is "trolling." And just blindly glad-handing a particular product isn't healthy either. It's important to take a step back and try to apply a little thought and analysis.
The XBox One is a bit on the troubled side. How do we know this? Because Microsoft has reversed their position on several major points of the system's design. Those aren't the actions of a company that is confident in their product. You could get all conspiracy-theory and claim that this was their plan all along. But I seriously doubt that Microsoft would intentionally give their major competitor a half-year lead. And I have yet to see any benefit from this waffling.
There is plenty of potential yet in the XBox One. I'm still salivating over Project Spark. But none of the potential justifies burying your head in the sand.
Hey now, I didn't suggest we do that. And of course not all negativity is trolling. We just have a problem with a few specific people here with explicitly negative agendas. But yes, I know they can't truly be reasoned with.
Although news of slow sales is bad for the 'bone, I think things will pick up now that it has price parity. People are too quick to label changes of course as negative - a company would be stupid to see that something isn't working and just keep trying the same thing without changes. It's highly illogical for anyone to expect that; you create a "Damned if you do, damned if you don't" scenario.
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So apparently if you are talking about things eastx isn't interested in, or the discussion isn't going the way eastx wants you should be reported to the mods? I wonder how sick the mods are of his cry wolf reports.
Or maybe eastx himself has an agenda since he does reviews of Xbox One games on a site section for Windows Mobile phones? He definitely has an agenda in trying to get the forum against me by continually mentioning me by name and trying to round up his apologist gang to report me to the mods.
Oh and hey eastx I own an Xbone, yes I prefer the PS4, no that doesn't mean I'm not allowed to post my opinions in this thread, and no it's not against the rules. GBAstar summed up your attitude perfectly:
Or maybe eastx himself has an agenda since he does reviews of Xbox One games on a site section for Windows Mobile phones? He definitely has an agenda in trying to get the forum against me by continually mentioning me by name and trying to round up his apologist gang to report me to the mods.
Oh and hey eastx I own an Xbone, yes I prefer the PS4, no that doesn't mean I'm not allowed to post my opinions in this thread, and no it's not against the rules. GBAstar summed up your attitude perfectly:
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I don't think any of the changes MS has made are negatives. I think it's great that things went down they way they did and they had to drop DRM/24 hour check ins and have now dropped Kinect as a forced pack in. Both are very consumer friendly moves--even if they were done out of trying to make more money rather than any goodwill toward consumers.
And I do think it will pick up X1 sales going forward and that MS has a good chance of at least winning in the US now--though the gap will no doubt be narrower than the 15 million or so they beat the PS3 by in America. Now that theirs price parity and no forced Kinect, a lot more of the CoD/Halo/Gears/Online shooters in general crowd is more likely to to stick with Xbox when more of those games start coming out and they move on to next gen.
World wide it probably won't help much, but with a couple exceptions like the UK the 360 didn't do well abroad anyway. The Xbox line has always been catered toward American male gamers first with its primary focus on shooters, racers, sports games etc. and the X1 looks to still win most of the audience again. And MS should be able to make a lot of money from that market as it's as sizable one and one that buys a lot of map pack DLC, Xbox Live Gold subscriptions etc.
MS doesn't have to "win" to make profit or to put out a lot of great games for their fans. And that's all that matters for fans. I love discussing game industry stuff, debating and speculating about sales trends, seeing trends I hate like motion control die off etc. But at the end of the day that doesn't affect my enjoyment of the console(s) and games I choose to buy. Talking about the industry is just as separate part of the hobby for me really.
And I do think it will pick up X1 sales going forward and that MS has a good chance of at least winning in the US now--though the gap will no doubt be narrower than the 15 million or so they beat the PS3 by in America. Now that theirs price parity and no forced Kinect, a lot more of the CoD/Halo/Gears/Online shooters in general crowd is more likely to to stick with Xbox when more of those games start coming out and they move on to next gen.
World wide it probably won't help much, but with a couple exceptions like the UK the 360 didn't do well abroad anyway. The Xbox line has always been catered toward American male gamers first with its primary focus on shooters, racers, sports games etc. and the X1 looks to still win most of the audience again. And MS should be able to make a lot of money from that market as it's as sizable one and one that buys a lot of map pack DLC, Xbox Live Gold subscriptions etc.
MS doesn't have to "win" to make profit or to put out a lot of great games for their fans. And that's all that matters for fans. I love discussing game industry stuff, debating and speculating about sales trends, seeing trends I hate like motion control die off etc. But at the end of the day that doesn't affect my enjoyment of the console(s) and games I choose to buy. Talking about the industry is just as separate part of the hobby for me really.
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You're right, these are all consumer-friendly moves. It gives consumers a broader range of options, as well as a more reasonable starting price. And the dropping of DRM/24 hour check-ins is also much more consumer friendly.
The negative aspects are all on the side of the developers. Having a platform holder like Microsoft flip-flop like this introduces a level of uncertainty that makes things harder on those people making the games themselves. And in the current market, it is important that Microsoft stay on developers' good side. For most of the big names, it's not going to matter much. For smaller teams, though, a shift like this is immense.
And most frustrating of all is the fact that Microsoft could have just done all of this from the beginning. If they didn't have the stones to stick to their guns, they should have launched with the system in this state instead of flipping on it down the line. Microsoft vastly overestimated their strength in the market, and decided to experiment with some strategies. Those experiments failed badly. They failed to such a degree that I can't help but question if it was really worth the cost.
Completely agree with dmaul1114, I enjoy talking about the industry as well. And it's funny 3 weeks ago we got on the discussion of sales in this thread and the apologist gang got all in a hizzy because those numbers weren't favorable to the Xbox One. The thing is those numbers were being discussed because anyone not drinking the Microsoft Kool-aid could see changes were coming and that it was a precursor to the announcements that happened yesterday. That's why watching sales trends is important and interesting, it can help let you know where your console stands and if changes are needed.
It's amazing how many Xbox fans were clinging to the Microsoft PR that it was outselling the 360. 3 million of those sales happened at launch, in 2014 the Xbox One has only sold around 1 million consoles and that's with it being readily available. These numbers are abysmal, and if the kinectless sku doesn't spur sales, I'm not sure what Microsoft can do.
It's amazing how many Xbox fans were clinging to the Microsoft PR that it was outselling the 360. 3 million of those sales happened at launch, in 2014 the Xbox One has only sold around 1 million consoles and that's with it being readily available. These numbers are abysmal, and if the kinectless sku doesn't spur sales, I'm not sure what Microsoft can do.
^ This. They should have gotten rid of the paywall aspect of Xbox Live years ago and dare I say if they launched in November with two sku's ($499 w/ kinect; $399 without) I'm willing to bet they would have sold more consoles in the United States then the PlayStation 4 at this point. It would have made Titanfall an even bigger success (not sure how we define sales of that game as of now) and probably would have changed the course of history for this generation in regards to MS being able to secure (more) exclusive titles. Now studios are going to be wary of signing deals like that and it means rather then taking the lead MS is going to be playing catch up.
Like RichardKain said, they overplayed their strength in the market, Microsoft didn't intend to make these changes and had the Xbox One had any kind of traction then these changes wouldn't be happening. It's interesting that the only time Microsoft becomes consumer friendly is when their backs are up against the wall. I guess that's where my disdain for Microsoft comes from, that and their arrogance, but it's enjoyable to watch that arrogance biting them in the butt. Now if they just fire Yusif, Harrison, Greenberg and Hyrb I think I can stomach them again. Though I'm not on the Phil Spencer messiah train, he was the head of Microsoft Studios the last 4 years of the 360 when they closed studios and rested on the Halo, Gears, Forza, Fable laurels, so we shall see if these moves are his or reactionary to the abysmal sales.
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When you put the sales in those terms (3 mil around launch and only 1 mil since jan) wow yea the xbone is hurting bad when it comes to sales. March was supposed to be the month and they were STILL beat by the ps4.
Basically the xbots bought up the one at launch or shortly after and it is not getting the consumer who could care less about "brands" and basically was saying 500 vs 400 and went with the cheaper (and arguably better) console.
The NPD #s for June will be pretty interesting, but really this holiday season will be the real battle. As it stands I dont see the one ever catching the ps4 in sales, and its not due to ms not trying to gain momentum, I just dont see how Sony is going to f up and lose all the current momentum they have.
Wouldnt be suprised if Sony counters with a 50 price cut OR announce a bundle for 400 at E3 that comes with shadowfall and knack or some variation thereof.
Shit just got real though with MS starting to play ball basically with the kinectless sku.
But wasn't this the same behavior we saw from Sony last gen? Do you hate/resent them? This type of behavior is a byproduct of success. It can't be avoided. When a corporation is at the top of their industry, they are constantly searching for new revenue streams to maintain their profit margins and beat the market. Thus they naturally try to tap new markets. Typically this leads to the implementation of anti-consumer policies as they are trying to grab every last penny. Corporations only modify their behavior when the market dictates it. There is no such thing as an altruistic corporation... we call those nonprofits. The sooner we all realize this the better off we are. The truth of the matter is that Sony, Nintendo and Microsoft don't care about you or me, they only want our money. At the end of the day you and I are just another consumer with deep pockets.
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So I guess all these gaf leakers are legit.
Cboat on the $400 Kinectless Xbox One
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=100703600&postcount=572
ntkrnl and all of his other leaks that are still waiting to be unfold.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=760013
Wonder if the Sunset Overdrive Bundle and the 1tb limited edition would include the Kinect or not.
Cboat on the $400 Kinectless Xbox One
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=100703600&postcount=572
ntkrnl and all of his other leaks that are still waiting to be unfold.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=760013
Wonder if the Sunset Overdrive Bundle and the 1tb limited edition would include the Kinect or not.
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Nah, actually it's the changing of the guards, many key CEOs left, new people got promoted, analysis and direction shifted.
God I hope so because I really want a sequel for Forza Horizons and to play Halo on the Xbox One. If that's Halo 2 or a Halo Anthology, I'm all for it. Halo had the best matchmaking system where I never found myself outclassed like I do with Gears, Battlefield, CoD and Titanfall based on how much time I invest in their game's multiplayer.
What would really be awesome is with the Halo 4 playable title on Xbox One and a whole new set of Spartan Ops being released. Considering Season 2 got scrapped to be incorporated into Halo 5, I think this is very unlikely, sadly. It would be a great way to go side by side along with the TV show, something similar to like how Defiance interacts with their respected TV show perhaps like the content and concepts shown in the show can be played the following week or whatever.
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I just want Quantum Break this year! I am interested in the Halo TV show too because I actually thought the live action shorts they made on the 360 was all well done. My favorite was the Halo Reach commercial of Kat running with the nuke. Very curious to see what direction they take the Halo TV show as it is rumored that they also want the show to be on Showtime too.
Sony's situation and arrogance at the beginning of the PS3 is often compared to what Microsoft is currently doing, however the situations are entirely different. The get 2 jobs comment, well Sony had built a machine costing them $800 to produce and were selling it for $600, if you made what you felt was an incredible product and were subsidizing $200 you might make a similar comment. The only thing that really pissed me off was the rumble situation and saying rumble was last gen because they were bitter about losing the patent and having to pay licensing. That is hardly par for everything Microsoft has done, from the advent of DLC and charging for online paywalls to the drm fiasco and the arrogance displayed last E3 and even the arrogance yesterday from Yusif. They have created a lot of ill will and burned a lot of their core customers.
I use to waive the Microsoft flag, loved achievements, loved Sony screwing up, but around 2009 when Mattrick took over it all changed. It also helped that Sony started righting the ship, they brought out the dualshock 3, added trophies, meanwhile Microsoft started shifting toward Kinect and casuals. Anyway, that is why I bought an Xbox One and why I continue to follow the news. If Microsoft can right the ship and Sony starts screwing up maybe I'll be back on board with Microsoft, they seem to be making the right moves, but I still can't help but feel it's because of poor sales and not because of good will.
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Yeah Sony was pretty arrogant last gen too. I remembered that they believed that people would pay $600 without hesitation for the PS3 because of the "brand" they established. I don' think the brand really matters with console. Might be different with handheld though, given how Nintendo has been owning everyone.
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People who think Microsoft is now out of the game because the PS4 is "More powerful" don't know any better.
I think Microsoft will still turn out fine the gap between systems isn't nearly as large as it has been made out to be and Microsoft is talking about giving more power to developers that was previously used for Kinect so that'll give the system an extra boost.
Games wise people just automatically seem to be assuming Sony has better games when that certainly isn't the case. In my case Infamous, Little Big Planet, and The Last of Us are all they have going for them and 3 IP's isn't enough for me to invest in a console.
Microsoft on the hand have a ton of games I'm interested in so far and being a big shooter fan I know they'll deliver in the future with Halo.
Microsoft still has a very strong shot here, the Xbox 360 was an immensely popular console and it attracted a ton of people despite being the "Dark Horse" if you would back then. People are saying everyone who went 360 have already bought a PS4 but there's still a ton of people out there that haven't bought either next gen system yet.
I think Microsoft will still turn out fine the gap between systems isn't nearly as large as it has been made out to be and Microsoft is talking about giving more power to developers that was previously used for Kinect so that'll give the system an extra boost.
Games wise people just automatically seem to be assuming Sony has better games when that certainly isn't the case. In my case Infamous, Little Big Planet, and The Last of Us are all they have going for them and 3 IP's isn't enough for me to invest in a console.
Microsoft on the hand have a ton of games I'm interested in so far and being a big shooter fan I know they'll deliver in the future with Halo.
Microsoft still has a very strong shot here, the Xbox 360 was an immensely popular console and it attracted a ton of people despite being the "Dark Horse" if you would back then. People are saying everyone who went 360 have already bought a PS4 but there's still a ton of people out there that haven't bought either next gen system yet.
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I remember those days with comments like "You'll work two jobs for a PS3" or "I'll give you $1000 if you find a PS3 on store shelves".
There is no need to waive a flag. At the end of the day the vast majority of folks on CAG are gamers. All we should care about is games. Some of us like myself, dmaul and blasterman like to discuss numbers because the industry as a whole is changing and not necessarily for the better. Plus I find it fascinating how the market reacts to a product. IMO the Vita is the best "console" in the Playstation family. It is an amazing device but unfortunately it is lost in the market. Partially through the fault of Sony marketing/proprietary memory card but mostly due to the proliferation of smartphones.
As I've stated previously, I own all 3 consoles and could careless who wins or loses. I think all 3 of them have their merits and faults. All I am saying is that Sony is no different than Microsoft and Nintendo on how they run their business. Circumstances (ie the market) forced their hand after the PS3 launch just as Xbox is doing now. At the end of the day they each have a product they want to sell to you and they'll try everything trick in the book to get you to spend your hard earn money.
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Sony was absolutely arrogant during the ps3 launch! Coming hot off the heels of the most successful video game console of all time, I cannot believe how badly they screwed up the ps3 launch. It's not necessarily the arrogance that turned me off, it was that few of their claims could be backed up. The price would have been reasonable had the hardware been that more advanced than the xbox 360, but in real world conditions the games usually performed better on Xbox 360.
That's why I was an Xbox 360 guy for 80% of last gen. Now that same arrogance has overtaken Microsoft, and so it makes sense to switch sides for that initial purchase. I'll have an Xbox one someday just as I purchased a ps3 six years after it was released (black Friday), but it won't be for several years.
That's why I was an Xbox 360 guy for 80% of last gen. Now that same arrogance has overtaken Microsoft, and so it makes sense to switch sides for that initial purchase. I'll have an Xbox one someday just as I purchased a ps3 six years after it was released (black Friday), but it won't be for several years.
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but yet anytime people go to ps4 thread to say something negative they get jumped on like ps fan boys are pitbulls jumping on meat and you expect us to not do the same. treat others like you want to be treated.
I'm always baffled when I always hear gamers and even critics, well anyone can be a critic these days right, say that Playstation has the best exclusives. Well, I find that to be subjective actually and if people are just looking at Metacritic ahh please stop. I got a 360, back in '06, when I had to upgrade my PC and it would be about the same price for new PC parts as it was for the Xbox 360 Pro, and right before Gears of War (I remember it like it was yesterday haha). I guarantee you if I had plopped down that money into my PC it would not have lasted well until today, as I'm still using my Xbox 360 currently (obv not the same one, we've had some bumpy roads yet I got a Xbox 360 replacement from support for free so I appreciate that one).
As for the numbers, ok guys take a bite into the news today: Sony forecasts fifth annual loss in years. Their Playstation brand is doing a lot better than the rest of their portfolio. Their CEOs are taking a pay cut, they're selling their PC business (I'm typing on a Vaio btw) and their flagship studio Naughty Dog is loosing people left and right. Do I want Sony out of the picture, no, in actuality more competitors the better for everyone but am I going into the Sony PS4 thread and going aohhh look nah nah nah. Nope, because I'm playing Peggle 2 right now! Besides Sony has promised a lot in the past and not delivered. Yeah look at what they did with the Vita, they promised a lot and then they just sort of faded away on it while there are some great games on the system. Game on.
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Anyone who thinks Microsoft is out of the race is a fool. Don't underestimate the power of previous gen loyalty. Last gen's inclusion of achievements, profiles, etc is and always has been the greatest obstacle Sony had to face. They got some help with Microsoft shooting themselves in the foot with different policies and pricing, but now that the playing field is equal, this is where we see if people care more about brand/familiarity, better playing games, or just generally don't care. Had Sony not made the boneheaded moves with the PS3, they would not be in this position, and they have only themselves to blame.
Speaking in games...I really dislike people bringing up which is better. It's purely subjective. Yes you can boil down to how well the actual game performs or how many exclusives are out there, but taste is not something that can be argued. You mentioned you like Microsoft exclusives, but the only one I can name I like really is Crackdown. And that's not enough for me to purchase the console. Everyone is different and I don't understand why people think it's a legitimate discussion point to say Killzone is better than Ryse or Titanfall is better than Infamous.
It's just that there isn't a whole lot of negative to be said about the PS4 at the moment. Sure you can speculate on Sonys financial troubles, or you had a couple days to talk about Drive Club before they addressed that issue, but what else could you possibly have to say? Sony is in the drivers seat and they are making all the right moves, this makes for a pretty boring discussion, hence the reason for the activity in this thread.
I'm curious to see how much more they can churn out of the X1 if Kinect isn't necessary. I read that about 10% of the GPU was reserved for Kinect but I wonder how meaningful that'll be.
Although I have no interest in the X1 right now, if they can close the gap with the PS4, that'll be good news in the long run since one company can't tout "we have better graphics" as the sole selling point.
Although I have no interest in the X1 right now, if they can close the gap with the PS4, that'll be good news in the long run since one company can't tout "we have better graphics" as the sole selling point.
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TimboSliceGB
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Lol at not much negative about ps4 garbage. When was last time xbone had something negative? I can list off many things that are negative about ps 4. But this is xbox one forum so will not do that.
Agree 100%. About the only fair point about exclusives that can be made is that Sony has more variety in their exclusives as they have more first party devs, and get more exclusives from Japanese devs and indies.
But even that's moot as many gamers don't like any if that stuff. Especially Microsoft's bread and butter market of western makes who mainly just play shooters, racers and/or sports games. They could give a rats ass about jrpgs or indie games and the ms exclusives are a better fit for them. It just all comes down to what you like to play as Sony and MS do have different genre strengths and weaknesses in their exclusives.
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