Xbox One on the way. DRM removed, more details to come.

[dmaul1114]

im confused, it's up to the publisher then what's stopping them from doing it on ps4 also or if they cant then wouldn't they just not put the game on ps4?

It's likely it will be up to the publisher on ps4 too. Maybe with a different system that maybe doesn't require checks every 24 hours etc. Time will tell.

But yeah, if EA can restrict used sales of Madden (or just get a cut of them), then it's a pretty safe bet, I'd think, that they'll be able to do the same on PS4. I doubt they would have dropped online passes if they didn't know this was coming on both xbone and PS4.

 

[GBAstar]

im confused, it's up to the publisher then what's stopping them from doing it on ps4 also or if they cant then wouldn't they just not put the game on ps4?

It's likely it will be up to the publisher on ps4 too. Maybe with a different system that maybe doesn't require checks every 24 hours etc. Time will tell.

But yeah, if EA can restrict used sales of Madden (or just get a cut of them), then it's a pretty safe bet, I'd think, that they'll be able to do the same on PS4. I doubt they would have dropped online passes if they didn't know this was coming on both xbone and PS4.

I think the gaming industry should start releasing games as offline only, online only or both online and offline AND price them accordingly.

I know it won't happen but there is a large group of people that buy a game like COD and never touch the campaign (online only) and another large group that buy a game like Uncharted or Tomb Raider and never touch the multiplayer (offline only).

 

[io]

So does this:

You can always play your games, but only one of your family members can be playing from your shared library at a given time.

mean that you can play a multiplayer game with a family member on different consoles at the same time? If so, then it is like the current XBL arcade game situation. If so (and I'm not sure this is clear) then I'm happy with that.

Secondly, though, do these 10 "family" accounts have to subaccounts set up from the start to be that way? So what does that mean for existing XBL accounts? I'm thinking here of my 13 year-old son who probably wouldn't want to be a "sub" account under mine, if that is even possible. So, yeah, while MS dropped some details, there is still a lot to be explained in more detail.

Personally I don't care about the online connection but I see how that is an issue for some. I don't even mind the used game trade-in restrictions. But I intensely dislike the complete inability to sell your own used games when you are done with them (and by sell I mean for cash, not trade-in to Gamestop).

As bad as the online pass notion was, I vastly prefer it to this setup...

 

[TooPoor]

So how do they know that those are family accounts?

So does this:

You can always play your games, but only one of your family members can be playing from your shared library at a given time.

mean that you can play a multiplayer game with a family member on different consoles at the same time? If so, then it is like the current XBL arcade game situation. If so (and I'm not sure this is clear) then I'm happy with that.

Secondly, though, do these 10 "family" accounts have to subaccounts set up from the start to be that way? So what does that mean for existing XBL accounts? I'm thinking here of my 13 year-old son who probably wouldn't want to be a "sub" account under mine, if that is even possible. So, yeah, while MS dropped some details, there is still a lot to be explained in more detail.

Personally I don't care about the online connection but I see how that is an issue for some. I don't even mind the used game trade-in restrictions. But I intensely dislike the complete inability to sell your own used games when you are done with them (and by sell I mean for cash, not trade-in to Gamestop).

As bad as the online pass notion was, I vastly prefer it to this setup...

That would be nice, especially for online co op games, saves me the trouble of buying two copies of the same game. But how the hell do they know they are family accounts.

 

[io]

Well that's what I was saying - while some headlines on gaming sites claim the "details" were revealed, it hardly seems that way to me - we need more specific info about how family accounts are set up, etc...

It might be accounts based on the same system perhaps?  That is, the "home" system is the same for each account.  But I'd like it to be a more even exchange and not the "main" and "sub" BS I've been hearing.  That is, I'd like my games to be playable by my son, and his to be playable by me at an even level (like how it is now on the PS3).  If it is just a matter of semantics and we can both be "sub" accounts of each other then fine.  But if it is some new system where you make special sub-accounts just for sharing games and can't even use existing XBL accounts then that sucks.  In some ways these "details" just raise more questions .

 

[4nik8tor]

eh whatever. Microsoft's offerings do not interest me. I'll keep my money. 

 

[Ivanhoe]

wow. this sounds just awful

10x worse than my worst nightmare.

Now I can only hope PS4 isn't trying to pull this same BS.

 

[GuitarMan]

I've owned almost every console since the Atari 2600 and have always looked forward to owning the next one.  Bought the PS3, close to launch, the 360 after a friend bought his, heck the 360 was so good I bought 2 more so my friends and I wouldn't have to keep moving it from room to room and can network, and a Wii when the kids were old enough to game.

I was looking forward to the next gen consoles MS had in store for us but after hearing a lot of the negative moves MS has made, I'm really not looking forward to upgrading my setup, especially since it's not backward compatible.

 

[highoffcoffee496]

Such a good article:

"But if you're going to defend Xbox One, think about exactly what it is that you're defending.

You're defending the right of publishers to kill games ownership.

You're defending the right for publishers to dictate to you how and when you play your games.

You're defending the right for publishers to dictate prices rather than the market.

You're defending the right for next-gen to be more restrictive and prohibitive than this gen."

http://www.nowgamer.com/features/1955108/xbox_one_its_for_publishers_not_for_you.html

 

[tbassett]

This latest bit of news is certainly not what I wanted to hear. Hopefully M$ is getting the bad news out of the way now and will start bringing the good announcements over the weekend. I have a feeling Sony will have similar restrictions on the used game subject but will handle offline modes the same.

I will have a major issue if they take away the ability to sell my game and still expect me to pay $60 cir that. If your going digital only that's fine but the game makers are cutting out disc pressing, shipping costs plus retailers so I would expect a break in the price for all of that.

pkeaselet the good news start rolling now.

 

[LordVila]

After everything that came out last night I am about 90% certain I wont be buying a Xbox One.  My PS3 has a layer of dust on it and all I really use it for is as a blu-ray player but if Sony announces no internet connection is required and you there isn't any draconian DRM then I will be buying a PS4 day one.  I don't see myself becoming a full time PC gamer because I don't like playing Phantom of the Opera on my keyboard and for the most part I don't like the PC gamer community.

 

[DestroVega]

Well if they're dumb enough to buy the system said murder wouldn't necessarily be undeserved.

Hahahaha oh man, you're so hilarious. NBC must be calling non-stop to bring you on board.


I'm still pretty surprised by all the uproar over the Internet connection. Most of us have our computers connected 24/7, don't see what the big deal is. Power Outages I can understand, but Microsoft has to have thought of that as something that happens.

 

[INMATEofARKHAM]

Dark days, my fiends, dark days.

Pretty much. The only thing I'm thankful for at this point is M$ making the choice of avoiding their console entirely brain dead easy. Honestly I can't imagine seeing or hearing anything from them that could come close to changing my mind. No exclusive is worth dealing with that much nonsense though now I'm worried about what skeletons are hiding in Sony's closet regarding the PS4.

Even though I think MS has the advantage in best of genre when it comes to exclusives... I just don't see myself dealing with this nonsense. Its not even the used games that does me in... I still have my 2600, NES, SNES, and everything far more recent... I just cannot accept a console that at some point so switch will be pulled and I'll own a not so impressive looking paperweight.

 

[DNukem170]

Most of us have our computers connected 24/7, don't see what the big deal is. Power Outages I can understand, but Microsoft has to have thought of that as something that happens.

If I want to play a game offline, though, I can on a PC. Most games do not require an internet connection at all except for multiplayer.

 

[Ryuukishi]

Son of a...

 

[RPGamer246]

the whole used games thing isn't that big of a deal to me, it's like PC I can't sell my game once I install it, it's mine, atleast with the XBone you can trade them in. And the kinect is no big deal either other than it will make the system more expensive, but I do not like the always online, I mean it won't prevent me from getting one eventually after a ps4 aslong as they have nothing similar but I don't like the fact that I have to connect every 24 hours, I feel like they could eliminate that simply by saying if you leave the disc in while playing your game you won't need to connect and I hope they do something like that but I'm not getting my hopes up

 

[dmaul1114]

So does this:

You can always play your games, but only one of your family members can be playing from your shared library at a given time.

mean that you can play a multiplayer game with a family member on different consoles at the same time? If so, then it is like the current XBL arcade game situation. If so (and I'm not sure this is clear) then I'm happy with that.

Secondly, though, do these 10 "family" accounts have to subaccounts set up from the start to be that way? So what does that mean for existing XBL accounts? I'm thinking here of my 13 year-old son who probably wouldn't want to be a "sub" account under mine, if that is even possible. So, yeah, while MS dropped some details, there is still a lot to be explained in more detail.

Personally I don't care about the online connection but I see how that is an issue for some. I don't even mind the used game trade-in restrictions. But I intensely dislike the complete inability to sell your own used games when you are done with them (and by sell I mean for cash, not trade-in to Gamestop).

As bad as the online pass notion was, I vastly prefer it to this setup...

Definitely need more details on how this works.

My best guess is as follows:

There's one main account--maybe this is just store account and not a gamer tag even. I don't see how they can make games unplayable offline if it's just linked to a gamertag and you'd thus lose access to them all if your account got banned. Maybe they're getting around that by having a separate store account and gamertags under it. Hard to say though.

The main account can then be linked to 10 gametags that can access it. As they keep calling it a family thing I'm guessing they'll have someway to check that people are in the same household, or on the same network etc. to limit sharing beyond the residence. I'm sure if they do there will be ways around it with VPNs etc. probably. But maybe they don't care much if only the main account holder and one sub account can be playing any of the games at the same time. That wwould solve rampant sharing like the old PSN game sharing before they dropped it from 5 (or whatever it was at) to 2.

 

[spatenfloot]

I am sure the family account sharing will be more complicated or difficult than some people here believe. That is just too big of a loophole to fit with MS announced plans.

 

[DestroVega]

Most of us have our computers connected 24/7, don't see what the big deal is. Power Outages I can understand, but Microsoft has to have thought of that as something that happens.

If I want to play a game offline, though, I can on a PC. Most games do not require an internet connection at all except for multiplayer.

Unless I'm reading it totally wrong, you can play your game offline as long as within the last 24-hours it has had a connection.

 

[Richard Kain]

I'm still pretty surprised by all the uproar over the Internet connection. Most of us have our computers connected 24/7, don't see what the big deal is. Power Outages I can understand, but Microsoft has to have thought of that as something that happens.

The big deal is this. I already have a computer. If Microsoft is going to make a system that has all the restrictions of a computer, without some of the advantages, what would I ever need with the XBox One? The modular nature of consoles were always one of the advantages that they enjoyed over PC gaming. By making an all-digital system, Microsoft is inviting a direct comparison with Steam. And Steam is better.

 

[dmaul1114]

Post from neogaf with a good set of article links about this crap.

Eurogamer: Microsoft kills game ownership and expects us to smile: http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013-06-07-microsoft-kills-game-ownership-and-expects-us-to-smile

Forbes Contributor: Microsoft's Shortsighted Approach Might Have Already Killed Xbox One: http://www.forbes.com/sites/markrogowsky/2013/06/06/microsofts-shortsighted-approach-might-have-already-killed-xbox-one/

Forbes Contributor (2): The Xbox One Might Let Sony's PS4 Win By Default: http://www.forbes.com/sites/insertcoin/2013/06/07/the-xbox-one-might-let-sonys-ps4-win-by-default/

Giant Bomb: The Giant Bomb staff deciphers the digital-rights policies for Microsoft's new console through interpretive dance: http://www.giantbomb.com/videos/an-xbox-one-drm-breakdown/2300-7459/

Kotaku: The Xbox One Just Had A Very Bad Day: http://kotaku.com/the-xbox-one-just-had-a-very-bad-day-511766497

Kotaku (2): When Will Gamers Say Enough Is Enough? http://kotaku.com/video-game-companies-arent-letting-us-do-anything-511789152

LazyGamer: Microsoft confirms insane Xbox One DRM: http://www.lazygamer.net/24/microsoft-confirms-insane-xbox-one-drm/

MCV UK: Indie retailers desperate for Xbox One pre-owned answers: http://www.mcvuk.com/news/read/indie-retailers-desperate-for-xbox-one-pre-owned-answers/0116813

MCV UK (2): Publishers quiet over Xbox One pre-owned intensions: http://www.mcvuk.com/news/read/will-publishers-charge-or-block-pre-owned-no-comment/0116814

Metro UK: Xbox One and the corporate war against consumers: http://metro.co.uk/2013/06/07/xbox-one-and-the-corporate-war-against-consumers-3832082/

NowGamer: Xbox One: It's For Publishers, Not For You: http://www.nowgamer.com/features/1955108/xbox_one_its_for_publishers_not_for_you.html

TechnoBuffalo: Xbox One and Used, Borrowed and Sold Games – The Official Word: http://www.technobuffalo.com/2013/06/07/xbox-one-used-borrowed-games/

The Guardian: Xbox One requires daily net connection: http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/gamesblog/2013/jun/07/game-links-press-start

Time: Microsoft’s Xbox One Used Games Policies Are Clear as Mud: http://techland.time.com/2013/06/07/microsofts-xbox-one-used-games-policies-are-clear-as-mud/

VG247: Xbox One: the record is broken, long live the record: http://www.vg247.com/2013/06/07/xbox-one-the-record-is-broken-long-live-the-record/a




^You can copy / paste that into Facebook and the links will work.^

 

[KingBroly]

EDIT:  Nevermind

Why can't I delete posts?

 

[dmaul1114]

I am sure the family account sharing will be more complicated or difficult than some people here believe. That is just too big of a loophole to fit with MS announced plans.

I don't think it will be complicated when it's laid out. I do think it will be restrictive and they'll have some pretty effective way to limit it to households so its not used like PSN gamesharing etc. so it will really only matter for people with kids, multiple users in one house etc.

Unless I'm reading it totally wrong, you can play your game offline as long as within the last 24-hours it has had a connection.

It really just seems like a concern for people without broadband and people with spotchy internet service, people in arareas that get hurricanes etc. (as internet, phone etc. tend to be down longer than power).

So it can suck still, but for most of us it's a non-issue in practice. I can't recall the last time my internet was down for more than 24 hours. I've had times it's been flaky/slow for a week or more while they're figuring out issues. But not sure I've ever had my internet totally down for more than a day if that (not counting power outages when its moot).

But I still don't like the daily check ins as they're just not needed. It could just connect and tie the game to the account when it's installed and not need to check again. It's in the system and if someone tries to install that game on another machine it should just get blocked as it will come up as registered to another account when they try to register/activate it.

The big deal is this. I already have a computer. If Microsoft is going to make a system that has all the restrictions of a computer, without some of the advantages, what would I ever need with the XBox One? The modular nature of consoles were always one of the advantages that they enjoyed over PC gaming. By making an all-digital system, Microsoft is inviting a direct comparison with Steam. And Steam is better.

I addressed that for myself last night. PCs are still more expensive and more of a hassle (and more of an eyesore--but I'm an OCD weirdo on that kind of stuff) to integrated into a home theater set up than a console. Not as bad as in the past, but still a hassle.

The other big thing I forgot to mention is that a huge chunk of the games I enjoy most are console exclusives--i.e. the first party games. Some go to PC eventually like Gears 1 and some of the Halo games--but not even all of those series made it to PC, and tons of games like Uncharted etc. never do.

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[screwkick]

First they came for the communists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a communist.

Then they came for the socialists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a socialist.

Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist.

Then they came for me,
and there was no one left to speak for me

 

[crunchewy]

With Sony also obfuscating about used games and such, in the end everyone might just end up sticking with the 360 and/or PS3 and let go their dreams of super realistic arm hair. Or maybe Nintendo will end up in 1st place again.

 

[phantomfriar2002]

What's funny is that this isn't just an outcry from message board readers and various blogs. This news has made it into the mainstream, with Gamestop's stock having tumbled initially as a result. That's hugely bad news for this console, and today we're seeing even more bad press directed at it.

IF Sony doesn't implement the same procedures (and we'll have to see), MS just killed themselves this generation. The decision to focus their press conference on all the "live TV" apps -- most of which you can already get in your TV, set top box, whatever -- shows how ill-conceived everything has been so far. It's amazing watching something that's been on top fall crash so quickly right in front of our eyes.

 

[Blaster man]

the whole used games thing isn't that big of a deal to me, it's like PC I can't sell my game once I install it, it's mine, atleast with the XBone you can trade them in. And the kinect is no big deal either other than it will make the system more expensive, but I do not like the always online, I mean it won't prevent me from getting one eventually after a ps4 aslong as they have nothing similar but I don't like the fact that I have to connect every 24 hours, I feel like they could eliminate that simply by saying if you leave the disc in while playing your game you won't need to connect and I hope they do something like that but I'm not getting my hopes up

Would people stop with the ing PC comparisons already? XbOne is a closed platform and PC is not. You can come back with that comparison when I can install a steam app on the XbOne and buy games from the "competition".

 

[dmaul1114]

It's amazing watching something that's been on top fall crash so quickly right in front of our eyes.

It's amazing that the companies don't learn from history and the console maker on top has ALWAYS taken hard falls.

You had the whole industry crash in the 80s from the plehtora of shovel ware.

You had Nintendo plummet after dominating the market with the NES and SNES by being restrictive and wanting to stick with proprietary carts they could charge publishers big feeds per unit on to use with the N64, and shunning the partnership with Sony.

You had Sony fall off (in the US market anyway) after dominating with the PS1 and PS2 from pushing a non-gaming feature in Bluray that made the console expensive as hell as it was a new tech at the time, and making it worse by arrogantly saying people would want to work two jobs to afford it etc.

You'd think all this would show all the console makers that gamers are a fickle market, and people won't just put up with whatever or pay whatever they charge to play their games and keep them on top of the industry. But yet you still get stuff like this.

But to be fair, maybe this DRM stuff is all being pushed by the publishers and MS and Sony have little say in it. And Nintendo just told them to piss off since they haven't gotten decent third party support from the big publishers the past few gens anyway and have found ways to make money just selling their hardware and their first party games. Time will tell on that--of Sony has something very similar, then we can be pretty sure this was all due to companies like EA, Activision and Ubisoft pushing it.

 

[DestroVega]

I'm still pretty surprised by all the uproar over the Internet connection. Most of us have our computers connected 24/7, don't see what the big deal is. Power Outages I can understand, but Microsoft has to have thought of that as something that happens.

The big deal is this. I already have a computer. If Microsoft is going to make a system that has all the restrictions of a computer, without some of the advantages, what would I ever need with the XBox One? The modular nature of consoles were always one of the advantages that they enjoyed over PC gaming. By making an all-digital system, Microsoft is inviting a direct comparison with Steam. And Steam is better.

Because Microsoft sees the future of home entertainment, not just gaming alone. I probably don't fit the model here with most CAGs, but this product is pretty much right in my wheelhouse as for what I want my living room to be. Mainly because the biggest drawbacks, (always on, used games) don't affect me at all.

 

[dmaul1114]

Because Microsoft sees the future of home entertainment, not just gaming alone. I probably don't fit the model here with most CAGs, but this product is pretty much right in my wheelhouse as for what I want my living room to be. Mainly because the biggest drawbacks, (always on, used games) don't affect me at all.

I was pretty intrigued by the TV stuff they showed until more details came out. Since it has no TV tuner, cable card slot etc. it can't replace a cable box and declutter my TV stand. Since you just plug the cable box into it via HDMI and it controls it with an IR blaster, its not going to be as fast in changing channels etc. as shown as it will still only be as fast (or slow/clunky in my case) as your cable/satellite box already is.

So it's just a big pile of meh for me on that front. I'd be very interested in an all in one set top box that could be my gaming machine, Cable box/DVR and Bluray player as that would make my TV stand a lot simpler and nicer looking to my OCD, clutter hating eyes. I'd love it if things worked as fast and seamlessly as they showed in the reveal. Voice commands could be handy vs. fumbling in the guide to find a channel you rarely watch (and thus don't know the number) is the only real current benefit I see.

I would love a simplified, more universal and automated home theater set up. I just don't think the Xbone really offers that though.

 

[8bitArtist]

not sure if this was posted (not going through all these pages) but MS canceled their post e3 round table Q&A. that tells me that they are trying to avoid the shitstorm that will happen after more bullshit is announced at e3

http://www.ibtimes.com/xbox-one-microsoft-cancels-e3-2013-media-roundtable-according-report-1293211#

 

[dmaul1114]

not sure if this was posted (not going through all these pages) but MS canceled their post e3 round table Q&A. that tells me that they are trying to avoid the shitstorm that will happen after more bullshit is announced at e3

http://www.ibtimes.com/xbox-one-microsoft-cancels-e3-2013-media-roundtable-according-report-1293211#

Yeah, that got posted here and on Neogaf yesterday. They've also canceled a bunch of one on one interviews with people from Kotaku and other sites.

 

[matrix9280]

Microsoft's full of scumbags and cowards. Little bitches can't hide forever. They'll probably have an "exclusive" interview with that Geoff Kightley punk to set the record straight (talk some more bullshit).

 

[perdition(troy]

Thanks for saving me a ton of money microsoft.  Handing all my xbl messages to the NSA, my hotmail emails to the NSA, and all the other bullshit you have done throughout the years.  you.

 

[DestroVega]

Thanks for saving me a ton of money microsoft. Handing all my xbl messages to the NSA, my hotmail emails to the NSA, and all the other bullshit you have done throughout the years. you.

If you're worried about the NSA getting your information, don't use anything digital and stash cash in your house as your only form of payment.

 

[Blaster man]

Thanks for saving me a ton of money microsoft. Handing all my xbl messages to the NSA, my hotmail emails to the NSA, and all the other bullshit you have done throughout the years. you.

If you're worried about the NSA getting your information, don't use anything digital and stash cash in your house as your only form of payment.

OH YES SIR! Holy shit you have the right to know what's best for everyone!!!! Oh hey, a cellphone and a bank have a lot of use for people so they're willing to put up with it. TELL ME what's so ing great about kinect for consumers that it MUST be plugged in?

 

[mitch079]

Man, Sony has such a golden opportunity to become the leading console in the next generation right in the palm of their hands.  Hope they're paying attention.

 

[crunchewy]

I really hope Sony has a significant price drop on the PS3. I'd like to pick up a second one for upstairs. With a lower MSRP maybe I'll find a used one for $100. That would do.

not sure if this was posted (not going through all these pages) but MS canceled their post e3 round table Q&A. that tells me that they are trying to avoid the shitstorm that will happen after more bullshit is announced at e3

http://www.ibtimes.com/xbox-one-microsoft-cancels-e3-2013-media-roundtable-according-report-1293211#

Yeah, that got posted here and on Neogaf yesterday. They've also canceled a bunch of one on one interviews with people from Kotaku and other sites.

You mean that there is a rumor that they canceled it. That article is worthless. It has nothing to go on buy a tweet from somebody else.

 

[TimboSliceGB]

so at the end of the day the rumors are all 100% true.

the only main difference is the family share thing.

how in the hell is TimboSlice okay with this crap? from his previous post he defended it by saying wait until it's offical or whatever.

now it's all official.

used games are dead.

there is no lending/borrowing.

24 hour mandatory connection required.

publishers can choose to not allow thier games to be set as "used"

and if he start barking up the sony tree i'm gonna lose my shit. we are discussing MS not sony.

i already said i don't agree with the 24 hour intenret thing stop trying to put words in my mouth

 

[8bitArtist]

tweets from people directly in the know are fairly reliable id say. more reliable than anything that comes out of the MS PR people, thats for sure. why would they have any reason to lie about it getting cancelled?

 

[TimboSliceGB]

Such a good article:

"But if you're going to defend Xbox One, think about exactly what it is that you're defending.

You're defending the right of publishers to kill games ownership.

You're defending the right for publishers to dictate to you how and when you play your games.

You're defending the right for publishers to dictate prices rather than the market.

You're defending the right for next-gen to be more restrictive and prohibitive than this gen."

http://www.nowgamer.com/features/1955108/xbox_one_its_for_publishers_not_for_you.html

sad thing is it's becoming more and more likely sony is doing the same dang things for used games

i think this info they released made even more questions then it answered i really don't think ms knows at this point how everything will work. i doudt they will allow you to add anyone on your "family" list.

if sony was smart they would answer alot of these questions before e3 or else no one will care what they show just will want answers on all these questions.

if sony and ms don't fully come out and explain in depth of their products and answer most these questions before launch i might not get any at launch seeing most big 3rd party games are coming for ps3 and 360 for the first year or so.

 

[Blaster man]

If you guys haven't watched the giant bomb video above you should do it. Very interesting discussion. Also the "any one" vs "anyone" regarding the shared library...

It's looking like only one person can play your shared game library at a time.

 

[TimboSliceGB]

puzzles me how many 3rd party games are coming out for x1 and 360. It's either ms knows that all this stuff will make people not want to buy the system or the system will be pricey and most people will keep 360 for awhile.

 

[Spybreak8]

lol

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=sWcKtJj5_oY

 

[Blaster man]

puzzles me how many 3rd party games are coming out for x1 and 360. It's either ms knows that all this stuff will make people not want to buy the system or the system will be pricey and most people will keep 360 for awhile.

What does MS have to do with 3rd party's? They get to decide independently...

 

[DestroVega]

Thanks for saving me a ton of money microsoft. Handing all my xbl messages to the NSA, my hotmail emails to the NSA, and all the other bullshit you have done throughout the years. you.

If you're worried about the NSA getting your information, don't use anything digital and stash cash in your house as your only form of payment.

OH YES SIR! Holy shit you have the right to know what's best for everyone!!!! Oh hey, a cellphone and a bank have a lot of use for people so they're willing to put up with it. TELL ME what's so ing great about kinect for consumers that it MUST be plugged in?

Easy killer. Didn't say anything about Kinect, all I said was why lash out at Microsoft if the NSA gains information from them when they gain info from every major cellphone company and some credit card companies.

 

[Blaster man]

lol
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=sWcKtJj5_oY

That was awesome...

Thanks for saving me a ton of money microsoft. Handing all my xbl messages to the NSA, my hotmail emails to the NSA, and all the other bullshit you have done throughout the years. you.

If you're worried about the NSA getting your information, don't use anything digital and stash cash in your house as your only form of payment.

OH YES SIR! Holy shit you have the right to know what's best for everyone!!!! Oh hey, a cellphone and a bank have a lot of use for people so they're willing to put up with it. TELL ME what's so ing great about kinect for consumers that it MUST be plugged in?

Easy killer. Didn't say anything about Kinect, all I said was why lash out at Microsoft if the NSA gains information from them when they gain info from every major cellphone company and some credit card companies.

Okay sorry then. That's the problem with XbOne. It's a foregone conclusion that your phone calls and bank records are stored with the government but you get valuable services for the trade off. With XbOne you'll be putting a camera and mic in your living room that's always on (that you have "control" of) and your Xbox won't work without it. What is the trade off that makes it so great? I consider banking services a pretty ing good thing and worth the trade off. Being able to say "Xbox On" not so much.

 

[dmaul1114]

tweets from people directly in the know are fairly reliable id say. more reliable than anything that comes out of the MS PR people, thats for sure. why would they have any reason to lie about it getting cancelled?

Yep. Especially since some are pretty major game journalists tweeting that their one-on-one, prior scheduled interviews have been canceled.

 

[Richard Kain]

I addressed that for myself last night. PCs are still more expensive and more of a hassle (and more of an eyesore--but I'm an OCD weirdo on that kind of stuff) to integrated into a home theater set up than a console. Not as bad as in the past, but still a hassle.

The other big thing I forgot to mention is that a huge chunk of the games I enjoy most are console exclusives--i.e. the first party games. Some go to PC eventually like Gears 1 and some of the Halo games--but not even all of those series made it to PC, and tons of games like Uncharted etc. never do.

Thanks to a service like Steam, PC games have become much less of a hassle. And now that Steam is available on multiple operating systems, consumers have even more options. If the XBox One is as expensive as a lot of people are expecting, the PC won't be that much more expensive either.

I'm not saying this will offset the convenience of a pre-built box like the XBox One. The general consumer will always gravitate toward the system that they don't have to maintain. But always-on DRM does make it less appealing, and considerably less simple. Even Steam provides the option for running games without an internet connection. Microsoft is actively making PC gaming seem more appealing.

The early adopters for a technologically advanced system are going to be the tech-savvy gamers. And they are the demographic least likely to be swayed by the XBox One's extra media features. That market is used to getting their programming over the internet, not cable. For them, PC gaming is an option, and the XBox One will be lacking by comparison. A lot of those potential customers will just stick with their PCs and give the XBox One a pass.

The best hope for the XBox One is pitching itself to the non-gaming crowd. And isn't it just a little sad that we've come to this point?

 

[n8rockerasu]

If you guys haven't watched the giant bomb video above you should do it. Very interesting discussion. Also the "any one" vs "anyone" regarding the shared library...

It's looking like only one person can play your shared game library at a time.

Echoing this. The Giant Bomb guys pretty much go over the same concerns we all have, and talk about how stupid a lot of this stuff is. One thing I realized while watching the video concerning the 24 hour internet checks: they state that if you haven't played your XB1 in 24 hours, it will need to perform the check before you're able to play. So, what this means is that if you have a busy week of work and don't get a chance to game for a day or two, and then sit down to play some video games on your day off, and either your internet connection or XBL itself is down, you won't be playing anything.

Yes, you can ask "How often does this actually happen?" But I'd like to ask "Should it happen at all?" Think about the possibility there. You've got a $400 system, several hundred dollars worth of games, and the system says "nope...you can't play". Like many have said, I don't know that there are any "perks" that are worth putting up with that kind of thing. At some point, it's just not worth the hassle.