The kinect uses this camera to track people, like how many in a room.
I guess after 4,000 comments of:
I'm sure most of us are tired of the whole drm discussion even those against it. But it doesn't help that every now and then someone comes in here defending the drm and everything repeats again.
If people were suddenly not allowed to discuss their issues with the Xbox One in this thread then this thread would become just like that thread...
The thing is selling fine right now, don't see MS dropping the price unless Sony drops the PS3's price. The newest Xbox 360 250GB is selling for $299.99 with no games bundled, just to give you the idea.
I doubt it, but expect more current gen games to drop to around $40 quicker after release.
You forgot one...
He avoids it because as a Microsoft employee, hes only allowed to share what his bosses tell him to.I like how Major Nelson keeps on avoiding the DRM questions by talking about the xbox one being built for the future(plus using the same hand gesture in 2 interviews so far) but wouldn't elaborate on what that means.
Doubtful, but you will probably see either A) faster price drops on games or B) less units of each title shipped. Kinda disappointing Lords of Shadow 2 and Dark Souls 2 didn't go next gen. Which just means I'll have to keep the box plugged in after Christmas.
to be honest i DONT go off o reviews i read to buy a game most people in media that reviews games are either payed off by game companys or don't fully play the games. i learned in life that alot of games people in media hated i loved.
really? last i checked if i enjoy a game it's all that matters right? just because a review person that is paid off by bigger name companys to give their games high scores don't like a game a high score i have poor taste get lost dude
i love watching that guy when he has game stuff on lol he is soo bad when they let him play
Will take the former for me. I'd have no problem walking away from console gaming if it's $60 games with slow price drops and DRM that keeps them from being re-sold on Amazon/Ebay etc.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKbFb6TPVEA
See, people come in here and post stuff like this and it starts the argument all over again. You talk about the good outweighing the bad, and list all the negative things that come along with the X1. Then, you say that it's worth it because the "room for innovation is unremarkable" (pretty sure you meant remarkable...but hey...Freudian slip). After that, the only positive you name is the presumption that these policies will allow games to be cheaper (which is yet to be confirmed at all), since the X1 won't be "gimped" by the used game market (even though you can share games among 10 people). And finally, comes the comparison to Steam (and you're definitely not the first to do that).
Purely speculative at this point, and if the current models of XBL and Marketplace serves as an indication as to how Microsoft is going run the next gen digital sales, I think you will be disappointed. 3-4 year old games still go for at or near their original price points. Also, I would guess that Microsoft would want a % of third party digital games sold through their next gen marketplace. Again speculation, but just my thoughts.
Personally, I find this thread to be highly entertaining.
I don't expect it to change until the plug is finally pulled on used games. The presence of these goofy psuedo discs are just going to keep things the same as they are now for digital pricing. Sony is pretty much just as bad, though to their credit they have enacted a 10% discount on new Vita games, which has mostly been standard except for a few exceptions.
The issue is, when anyone brings up Steam, they bring up Steam *now*.
If no one can think of anything positive to post in the thread that people were crying about wanting, then maybe we aren't bitching enough in here.
Yeah, that isn't it at all. dmaul, for one, has posted numerous times that he also wouldn't have a problem with not being able to resell games if they were priced accordingly (which is how many people feel...otherwise Steam and other DD retailers wouldn't have the success they have). Seriously, that is all MS needs to do to turn down the heat they're getting. Even if they have a justifiable reason that games aren't going to be cheaper right away when the console launches (which is what Major Nelson tried to say when he was getting all defensive), at least tell people that a year down the road, once the X1 has a strong installation base, we'll see prices of games coming down. So, instead of a game being $60, it might be $40. That's all they've gotta do, and people would perk up and start suckling the MS teat again. It really is that simple. Until they're ready to make those statements, people are going to be harsh on them and they won't be doing anything remotely close to what Steam does.
That's a fair point. But this console also has an expiration date (Microsoft themselves even said something about wanting it to be 5 years). So, if you're spending multiple years ironing out the kinks of your (essentially) digital distribution system, how successful is that console going to be? If you're willing to admit that the X1 might be a "growing pains" console and not see the success that the 360 had because of how transitional this period will be, then I can completely be on board with that. Will it put MS in a better position for the console after that? Maybe. It's really going to depend on how people handle all of this.
backbone of u.s interet can't handle all digital and streaming video game right now look at on live for a prime example why.
Yes, but Microsoft has repeatedly stated that they don't care for the customers without good internet connections.
LOL...how do you think you can "refuse it"? We have AT&T Uverse here as well, but the speeds are nowhere near as good as Comcast. It's like having T-Mobile cell service. "You get unlimited everything...but it doesn't work worth shit!!!" Good speeds w/cap > poor speeds w/no cap. When you're dealing with monopolies, you're always choosing the lesser of two evils. Just saying though, the ISPs could have a far bigger say in the X1's success than people realize.
You make it sound so easy. Many areas don't have connections available that are fast and have no caps. Either that or they are ridiculously expensive. Though data caps are probably one of the main reasons why Xbox is offering games on disc instead of download only, so I'm not sure why they were brought up in the first place. That is similar to how most big releases on Steam are available on disc at stores: the games use the same DRM but they don't require a huge download.
Revision3 and Adam Sessler are very slanted toward Microsoft. In fact Revision3 CEO Jim Louderback on his other show Downloaded has admitted several times that he is an Xbox guy. This video is Sessler trying to make a DRM boogie man that doesn't exist on the PS4. And he is clearly trying to thwart PS4 preorders.
I'd argue it's fair because if you are going to have something akin to Steam you can just look at Steam and copy their current model, especially when it comes to having an offline mode and letting companies decide their own release dates and sales. I'm sure MS doesn't dictate when AAA games from EA/Activision/Ubisoft come out but for any smaller companies they control pretty much every aspect of that hence why there are virtually no Indie titles coming to the Xbox One compared to the PS4 and even the Wii U showed way more at E3. This is not a vacuum, they have examples to look at and follow.
This! I've been meaning to say this, but never got around to it. Microsoft controls everything about the Xbox. They control the hardware and they control the store. Keep dreaming if you think they'll have the huge sales that Steam has...
Additionally the "might" argument doesn't make much sense. Why should anyone buy the system for things that might happen? If they start having amazing sales, then buy the system at that point.
I agree with you, MS won't change anything unless they sell nothing at all. THEN, they maybe would think of a plan B. I'm sure they will sell moderately well the first month (all the fanboys and people who wants to own both systems), but after that? A serious gamer wouldn't want an abusive DRM device with no b/c and kinect's eyes an ears always on you.
LOL, they haven't played a fighting game in their lives.
Steam started somewhere. They received a lot of hate surrounding the DRM restrictions they had in place. It's fair to compare Steam and the XB1 in their early stages. I understand the XB1 won't steamroll out of the gates with the success that Steam has today, but it has to start somewhere. So when? When do we start accepting that the digital age will begin? DRM is inevitable. Hell, it's REQUIRED for digital content to be distributed. Look at it as a luxury trade-off. Otherwise, content will continue to be stolen and the MSRP of games will continue to go up.
Exactly. This is CAG. We presumably all care about what we pay for games, or we'd be over on Neogaf or other sites with more active discussions exclusively.
The problem is they were afraid to go full digital and really tell everyone with crappy ISPs (or no broad band at all) to pound sand by going fully digital.
To be fair to those concerned about privacy issues, MS was one of the companies that gave data to the NSA...
I kind of figured that thread would be slow. Not as slow as I didn't expect all the people bitching about the DRM discussion etc. to mainly keep posting in here.....
You definitely make a good point. They'll definitely control the market in this particular digital venue. I'm interested to see if Microsoft will make a push in the digital market with their games. Sure, they may control it, but most gamers (CAGs anyway) won't spend their money on games if they aren't discounted. I believe they're already being pressured into increasing sales on the XBLA (sales/giving away games) seeing what Sony has been doing lately.
I think we all agree with you that DRM is inevitable. The problem is that MS's DRM is too intrusive. Check in every 24h? Must be a joke. Xbox360 DRM is way better, you can play your (digital) games offline as long as it's in your usual console (the one where you formerly downloaded them), and you must log in if you want to play your (digital) games in another system. X1 doesn't have retail games, all of them are digital (since the retail one is just with installation purposes), but even so, you should be able to play them offline in your console. A DRM who doesn't permit at least that, can't and shouldn't be tolerated.
up your game. Murders have been committed over far less.
