Xbox One on the way. DRM removed, more details to come.

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Dark Lord Greg said:
Funny now that the "evil DRM" is gone people saying they weren't getting an Xbox One and the most vocal against it are...wait for it....still not getting the Xbox One lol. Was never about the DRM its just fanboys making mountains out of molehills
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If thats all you took away from these discussions, then you werent paying attention.
 
Dark Lord Greg said:
Funny now that the "evil DRM" is gone people saying they weren't getting an Xbox One and the most vocal against it are...wait for it....still not getting the Xbox One lol. Was never about the DRM its just fanboys making mountains out of molehills
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So true! The problem isn't the DRM, it's the fact that people are so far up their ass now with Xbox hate they have no other option but to hate. It's always cool to run with the crowd like I've seen many people in most of the forums doing. Reddit is also bad, but at least some of them have come around.

 
Vinny said:
lowgear26 said:
The hardware experts are crazy in here. They must all have great jobs in demanding tech fields to know so much.

The PS3 was touted as more powerful as well and the Xbox arguably had better looking and running games than the PS3. Quite frankly, most people wont notice a graphics diffence unless its significant, which I doubt it would be with these specs.
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The problem with the PS3 was that it was on a more complex, custom architecture vs the 360 which was standard PowerPC. The PS3 was more powerful but nobody (outside of Sony's 1st party) could figure it out or bothered to try. Another issue was that the PS3 also lacked VRAM meaning developers had to cut back on what could be displayed on a screen at once. The X1 and PS4 will both use x86 (meaning they're basically PCs) and Sony addressed the RAM issue, so those things won't matter here. It's a more level development field.

No need to get fussy here. Some people just like the technical details more than others. You can read Wikipedia to get a basic understanding of these things. For the record, I'm an accountant. :p

TimboSliceGB said:
i think it's a MUST ms announces a cheaper version even if it requires a live contract at launch.
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To be honest, I wish they would. I wouldn't want Sony to get too comfortable (like Nintendo did, and then fucked up and lost it all).
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I'm talking about the people that KNOW its more powerful based on the specs on paper. You're right that the PS3 was harder to program for and I get that, but the more powerful system was marginally worse because of that.

Who knows what the end product will be but I doubt it will be major for either system. On paper compared to real world performance are much different.

 
Dark Lord Greg said:
Funny now that the "evil DRM" is gone people saying they weren't getting an Xbox One and the most vocal against it are...wait for it....still not getting the Xbox One lol. Was never about the DRM its just fanboys making mountains out of molehills
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Yeah because the $100 more, mandatory Kinect, way the execs treated it's customers, the way they treat indies, and all the other sticking points that people had also went away? It's fanboys like you that think everyone should be praising the system for its greatness and ignoring it's glaring issues.

 
Who's excited about Forza 5......ANYONE. Oh wait I have to talk about DRM in here......nevermind.

RiPPn said:
Dark Lord Greg said:
Funny now that the "evil DRM" is gone people saying they weren't getting an Xbox One and the most vocal against it are...wait for it....still not getting the Xbox One lol. Was never about the DRM its just fanboys making mountains out of molehills
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Yeah because the $100 more, mandatory Kinect, way the execs treated it's customers, the way they treat indies, and all the other sticking points that people had also went away? It's fanboys like you that think everyone should be praising the system for its greatness and ignoring it's glaring issues.

what do you expect in an Xbox One discussion thread? People may actually not give two rips and want the system. Just go to the Sony thread and love them.....it's ok.
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Cage017 said:
I'm surprised Microsoft changed their minds after stating "this isn't a sprint" and saying Xbox 360 is the only offline device (along with the submarine comment which is even worse). Funny how the XBox One is an all in one device, yet their employees have so many different comments on what the console does. Looking back, this is going to make the Microsoft Xbox brand look somewhat foolish though.
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Once they saw the pre-order numbers everything they had envisioned for the Xbox one went out the fucking window. Truth.

 
Gamer4life88 said:
Cage017 said:
I'm surprised Microsoft changed their minds after stating "this isn't a sprint" and saying Xbox 360 is the only offline device (along with the submarine comment which is even worse). Funny how the XBox One is an all in one device, yet their employees have so many different comments on what the console does. Looking back, this is going to make the Microsoft Xbox brand look somewhat foolish though.
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Once they saw the pre-order numbers everything they had envisioned for the Xbox one went out the fucking window. Truth.
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Truthfact, you need to sell a vision, not force one.

 
WV Matsui said:
The X1 Just Got a Lot Worse and it's Our Fault

http://gizmodo.com/the-xbox-one-just-got-way-worse-and-its-our-fault-514411905
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Gizmodo has smart people writing for them.

I'm much less enthused about the Xbox One now. The game needing to be in the tray now blows, but the always connected better still be there as an option. The downloads I run into when wanting to start an app or game that second is fucking annoying to no end and loved this new way it would handle that.

And it's totally true. DRM is gone, always online is gone, well it's still $100 more. Give me a fucking break.
 
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Dark Lord Greg said:
Funny now that the "evil DRM" is gone people saying they weren't getting an Xbox One and the most vocal against it are...wait for it....still not getting the Xbox One lol. Was never about the DRM its just fanboys making mountains out of molehills
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Yeah because the $100 more, mandatory Kinect, way the execs treated it's customers, the way they treat indies, and all the other sticking points that people had also went away? It's fanboys like you that think everyone should be praising the system for its greatness and ignoring it's glaring issues.
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well looked like it worked x1 is now number one on amazon and my gamestop just told me they were told today they now have 20 more preorders open up. Seems like ms is expecting a big spike in pre orders.

 
If I didn't have so many MS points on my account the switch to Sony would be totally painless. If MS gets rid of the Kinect and drop $100 off it will give me something to think about. I'm curious to see what the digital pricing will be for games that also have a physical disc. If MS can drop all these things they said were so essential they sure can lop off Kinect. If the new Kinect is so damn good where were all the Kinect games at E3 and why did games like Ryse and Crimson Dragoon (think that is the title) remove so much Kinect integration?
 
REAL TALK: I would be out preordering the X1 right now if Nintendo hadn't blown me away with their holiday lineup. I'd rather get games I can play with my two young daughters than another FPS I can only play a few hours a week. Priorities, they are achangin'.

 
lowgear26 said:
I'm talking about the people that KNOW its more powerful based on the specs on paper. You're right that the PS3 was harder to program for and I get that, but the more powerful system was marginally worse because of that.


Who knows what the end product will be but I doubt it will be major for either system. On paper compared to real world performance are much different.
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Point taken.

 
This is definitely a smart move by MS and I'm glad they finally came around. I was never going to buy an xbone before, but now I'll at least be able to consider it once I start seeing some exclusives I really want to play.

I'm confused by the people who are mad about this decision though. They buy into the whole infinite-cloud-future-gaming bs and now think this somehow breaks that? Online games are great and they will still be as online as ever. Most people just don't want their ability to play console games offline affected by their internet connection. It doesn't mean they don't have internet access or that their internet is terrible. Just that they don't want their console to be useless whenever it can't connect.

 
TimboSliceGB said:
Dark Lord Greg said:
Funny now that the "evil DRM" is gone people saying they weren't getting an Xbox One and the most vocal against it are...wait for it....still not getting the Xbox One lol. Was never about the DRM its just fanboys making mountains out of molehills
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price point and always have to have kinect connect is still their that is a factor also
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price point I understand but for $100 more you are getting more than with the PS4 question is are the extras worth it? For me Kinect 2 and the great multimedia features along with the exclusives are more than worth the $100. As for Kinect I still don't see how it having to be on is a problem (I posted something about Kinect concerns and really got no real reasons why its bad besides it raises price of Xbox One)

4thHorseman said:
Dark Lord Greg said:
Funny now that the "evil DRM" is gone people saying they weren't getting an Xbox One and the most vocal against it are...wait for it....still not getting the Xbox One lol. Was never about the DRM its just fanboys making mountains out of molehills
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If thats all you took away from these discussions, then you werent paying attention.
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While I haven't followed the debate page by page on here I have on IGN, NeoGAF, FB, etc and everywhere the "evil DRM" was the #1 reason people were switching to PS4 including tons of supposed Xbox fans (I call BS on them though) but now its become even more evident it was just online trolling by Sony fanboys and well just trolls who bombarded comment sections and forums with anti-Xbox stuff. And no offense but looking at your sig you are a pretty big Sony gamer (nothing wrong with that) but are you really in here to debate the pros and cons of the new Xbox that you might get or to bash on the competitor's system?

 
Dark Lord Greg said:
TimboSliceGB said:
Dark Lord Greg said:
Funny now that the "evil DRM" is gone people saying they weren't getting an Xbox One and the most vocal against it are...wait for it....still not getting the Xbox One lol. Was never about the DRM its just fanboys making mountains out of molehills
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price point and always have to have kinect connect is still their that is a factor also
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price point I understand but for $100 more you are getting more than with the PS4 question is are the extras worth it? For me Kinect 2 and the great multimedia features along with the exclusives are more than worth the $100. As for Kinect I still don't see how it having to be on is a problem (I posted something about Kinect concerns and really got no real reasons why its bad besides it raises price of Xbox One)

4thHorseman said:
Dark Lord Greg said:
Funny now that the "evil DRM" is gone people saying they weren't getting an Xbox One and the most vocal against it are...wait for it....still not getting the Xbox One lol. Was never about the DRM its just fanboys making mountains out of molehills
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If thats all you took away from these discussions, then you werent paying attention.
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While I haven't followed the debate page by page on here I have on IGN, NeoGAF, FB, etc and everywhere the "evil DRM" was the #1 reason people were switching to PS4 including tons of supposed Xbox fans (I call BS on them though) but now its become even more evident it was just online trolling by Sony fanboys and well just trolls who bombarded comment sections and forums with anti-Xbox stuff. And no offense but looking at your sig you are a pretty big Sony gamer (nothing wrong with that) but are you really in here to debate the pros and cons of the new Xbox that you might get or to bash on the competitor's system?
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Now that the DRM is settled it's goign to go to inferior hardware, the Kinect, price, and who knows what else.

 
thing is with this next gen the leap in gameplay and look of gamers are not that great like it was  from ps2/xbox to ps3/360 and with alot of 3rd party games coming to ps3/360 unless you are a person that wants to play x1/ps4 only games it might not be worth getting either system at launch. 

 
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Still the pay wall for Netflix and apps, no self publishing for indies, and Sony this generation has much better digital sales. Those issues (and Kinect) are making it tough to come back to the One.
 
Dark Lord Greg said:
but are you really in here to debate the pros and cons of the new Xbox that you might get or to bash on the competitor's system?
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Dunno about the other guys, but I read this thread originally for the same reason people watch NASCAR: For the crashes. If Microsoft had made the X1 like this from the beginning, I would have ignored it like I did the original and the 360.
 
Corvin said:
TimboSliceGB said:
well if you don't want to support game companys fine but i for one don't buy many used games because i want to support the people that makes my games
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TimboSliceGB said:
i only buy like 4-5 games a year(unless i get cheap old new games) rest of the games i want to play i rent from gamefly so i have no need to buy used games.
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Does. Not. Compute.
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Mr. Las Vegas said:
TimboSliceGB said:
i only buy like 4-5 games a year(unless i get cheap old new games) rest of the games i want to play i rent from gamefly so i have no need to buy used games.
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Your prior posts crusading against buying used games (from Gamestop) and instead buying them new so you can "support developers and publishers is full of hypocrisy...

1. You admit buying new games, opening them, playing them and then returning them - a practice largely not permitted at retailers.

2. You rent certain games rather than buying them.

3. You do buy used games (from Amazon), just not from Gamestop

4. You have no problem waiting for games to fall in price rather than pay full price on release (which I don't take issue with since we are all CAGs, but I merely point it out since you are the one arguing that the devs and pubs are losing revenue when people buy a used game for $50 instead of a new game for $60; it's the same scenario, people wanting to save money and pay less whether its used right away or marked down months later.)

By your own logic, you are no better than the people you've been railing against for buying used games at Gamestop because used sales don't support the developers and publishers. It sounds to me that you simply don't like Gamestop, and that is all fine, but don't use that to make some argument in support of Microsoft's DRM on the XBone.
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Bumping this up so people can remember not to trust a word that Timbo says.

 
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Dark Lord Greg said:
While I haven't followed the debate page by page on here I have on IGN, NeoGAF, FB, etc and everywhere the "evil DRM" was the #1 reason people were switching to PS4 including tons of supposed Xbox fans (I call BS on them though) but now its become even more evident it was just online trolling by Sony fanboys and well just trolls who bombarded comment sections and forums with anti-Xbox stuff. And no offense but looking at your sig you are a pretty big Sony gamer (nothing wrong with that) but are you really in here to debate the pros and cons of the new Xbox that you might get or to bash on the competitor's system?
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I would agree w IGN. Ive been on there heavily the past week, and both sides have been horrid with their complaints/praises of the systems. Dont follow Neogaf but I heard what Xboxs Facebook has been like *shudders*.

My main problem with Microsoft started a few years back when I noticed the shift from hardcore gamers that had won me over initially to the focus on Kinect and various media things I wasnt interested in.

Fast forward to recent months and Microsofts inability to have a clear and unified message by anyone in their company, the initial attention on media with gamers feeling like they took a backseat, along with the complaints about the system itself from the DRM to not beong able to upgrade the HD to a mandatory Kinect I dont care about.

So while this recent move is great IMO, it also highlights more of the lies amd exagerations from MS. System built like this from ground up and no way to change it? False. This is the future and we are happy the xbox is leading this gamechanging charge? Well, at least until preorder numbers come in then we will say we heard the fans (although we were deaf for the past year or so when people were complaining about rumors), yada yada.

Theres more, but phone is gonna die. Basically, Microsoft needs to convince me that gamers still matter. And Im going to at least wait a few years before purchasing the system in case it pewters out like it did w the 360 outside of the usual franchises.

And while Sony has their share of hiccups, they have been speaking to me more as a gamer than MS has. So thats the company I will stand by.
 
Wow at the turnaround. They'll get some customers back, but not all. They are still $100 more and still have crappy support for Indies. BUT, I am much more likely to get one eventually. Over time they'll probably catch up.
 
what does anything i said show im a liar? i don't buy used games the games i get on amazon are brand new games i never once said i buy used games on amazon, i said i buy 4-5 60 doller games a year don't mean i don't buy new games when they are like really cheap at local stores. pretty much all that shit people put in my mouth.

 
TimboSliceGB said:
what does anything i said show im a liar? i don't buy used games the games i get on amazon are brand new games i never once said i buy used games on amazon, i said i buy 4-5 60 doller games a year don't mean i don't buy new games when they are like really cheap at local stores. pretty much all that shit people put in my mouth.
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I'll let this do the talking:

TimboSliceGB said:
i get refunds on open games from bestbuy,target,walmart all the time
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TimboSliceGB said:
i never said i do it all the time lol i just said that i have returned games open in the past and was able to do it then people put things in my mouth saying i do it all the time. most of the time the only games i buy from non amazon is great deals i find. saving tax on amazon is great when you buy new games for 60 bucks no tax saves me close to six bucks
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RiPPn said:
TimboSliceGB said:
what does anything i said show im a liar? i don't buy used games the games i get on amazon are brand new games i never once said i buy used games on amazon, i said i buy 4-5 60 doller games a year don't mean i don't buy new games when they are like really cheap at local stores. pretty much all that shit people put in my mouth.
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I'll let this do the talking:

TimboSliceGB said:
i get refunds on open games from bestbuy,target,walmart all the time
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TimboSliceGB said:
i never said i do it all the time lol i just said that i have returned games open in the past and was able to do it then people put things in my mouth saying i do it all the time. most of the time the only games i buy from non amazon is great deals i find. saving tax on amazon is great when you buy new games for 60 bucks no tax saves me close to six bucks
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again what does that show me a lier

 
TimboSliceGB said:
again what does that show me a lier
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TimboSliceGB said:
im shocked sony person has not made a joke how they hope x1 sell well seeing more x1 sell means some more money makes thanks to blu ray lol

RiPPn said:
TimboSliceGB said:
i get refunds on open games from bestbuy,target,walmart all the time
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You sir are a flat out liar.
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im i ? or a kid like you don't know how to talk people into giving you a refund heck i have got amazon to give me refunds on pc digital games in the past. you walk into target with a new game open and just say well this game is damaged ad will not work in my system and if they offer you a replacment just give the ma speech and you will get money bakc
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You're doing some work with that shovel, son.

 
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pitfallharry219 said:
TimboSliceGB said:
again what does that show me a lier
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TimboSliceGB said:
im shocked sony person has not made a joke how they hope x1 sell well seeing more x1 sell means some more money makes thanks to blu ray lol

RiPPn said:
TimboSliceGB said:
i get refunds on open games from bestbuy,target,walmart all the time
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You sir are a flat out liar.
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im i ? or a kid like you don't know how to talk people into giving you a refund heck i have got amazon to give me refunds on pc digital games in the past. you walk into target with a new game open and just say well this game is damaged ad will not work in my system and if they offer you a replacment just give the ma speech and you will get money bakc
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You're doing some work with that shovel, son.
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plz explain SON

 
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Of course you need it explained. Lying to a store about a perfectly working game being damaged doesn't make you a liar? (Or "lier" if that makes it any easier for you)

 
If it's devolving into Rippn vs. Timbo, then yeah we might need a new thread, but there are still plenty of serious issue with the Xbone that may stop it from winning this round. Oh wait, it didn't win last round either unless you only count North America and dismiss the Wii...

 
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