Xbox/Xbox 360 E3 Game Announcement Thread

[quote name='MorPhiend']Exactly. They are showing interest in finally making quality games after 3.5 years...:roll:

Seriously. You posted in that thread. That's fine. Anyone who wanted to read it would have seen your opinion. Must you try and namecall on me somewhere before people even have a chance to read the story for themselves?[/QUOTE]
They've been making quality games... I'm not sure how you could say they haven't been.

I don't see the interview as being entirely that way, it was really just the end that touched on that. They're just leveraging their strengths, Xbox 1's strength is the graphics, so they'd talk that up. Now, the graphics are going to be about equal, so they're going to talk about their superior online service, their media center functionality, their exclusives, and being the best console for multiplatform games (or at least trying to be). If they think that PS3 is going to be better graphically, they're going to seriously talk down graphics.

The level of graphics in this and future generations getting to a point where they all look really good, and there not being much of a difference, is something thats been discussed for a long time on this board. He's just admitting that and saying that the game itself is what needs to be focused on.
 
[quote name='dafoomie']They've been making quality games... I'm not sure how you could say they haven't been.

I don't see the interview as being entirely that way, it was really just the end that touched on that. They're just leveraging their strengths, Xbox 1's strength is the graphics, so they'd talk that up. Now, the graphics are going to be about equal, so they're going to talk about their superior online service, their media center functionality, their exclusives, and being the best console for multiplatform games (or at least trying to be). If they think that PS3 is going to be better graphically, they're going to seriously talk down graphics.

The level of graphics in this and future generations getting to a point where they all look really good, and there not being much of a difference, is something thats been discussed for a long time on this board. He's just admitting that and saying that the game itself is what needs to be focused on.[/QUOTE]

I'm not saying that they haven't. I was restating Apossum's statement. (Although I will admit that the only game I have enjoyed on Xbox is Winning Eleven 8. But that is me. I know others like their games.) And I think that people are not understanding what I was saying with that thread. I tried to explain it better in my second post there. I think it is a smart move for M$ to move in that direction. I just found it humorous (my view of their shift in thought - seems completely 180 to me, not 360:lol: ).
 
[quote name='MorPhiend']I'm not saying that they haven't. I was restating Apossum's statement. (Although I will admit that the only game I have enjoyed on Xbox is Winning Eleven 8. But that is me. I know others like their games.) And I think that people are not understanding what I was saying with that thread. I tried to explain it better in my second post there. I think it is a smart move for M$ to move in that direction. I just found it humorous (my view of their shift in thought - seems completely 180 to me, not 360:lol: ).[/QUOTE]
Ok then, I misread the other post. It pretty much is a 180 because what was once a strength is now either equal or a weakness, probably equal.

It would be like Sony telling people not to believe the hype.
 
[quote name='MorPhiend']Exactly. They are showing interest in finally making quality games after 3.5 years...:roll: [/quote]

Come on now, as if that whole post wasn't meant to agitate xbox owners...there's plenty of good games on it besides Winning Eleven 8. They had a decent line up of devs that brought on some great exclusives this gen. They've been saying that they are confident enough in the 360, and of course their place in the market, so now they can really branch out with developers and get an even better line up. It just sounds so Nintendo-fanboyish to be like "Hey look, they FINALLY care about games." They've been making them, but they didn't have like 50 games coming out a month like the PS2. Some argue that there's quality over quantity on the xbox, though I partially disagree with that...

Seriously. You posted in that thread. That's fine. Anyone who wanted to read it would have seen your opinion. Must you try and namecall on me somewhere before people even have a chance to read the story for themselves?
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Sorry, I wasn't name calling, meaning to start a fight, or stating my opinion...it's just that most people know about MS' more aggressive stance on games.
 
What?! You mean XBox actually has good games besides Halo? ROFL!

*ahem*

Check out gamerankings.com, XBox has PLENTY of good games.
 
[quote name='dafoomie']Ok then, I misread the other post. It pretty much is a 180 because what was once a strength is now either equal or a weakness, probably equal.

It would be like Sony telling people not to believe the hype.[/QUOTE]

The strength came at a fatal cost and wasn't exploited well until recently. If they could have split the difference and needed to sell less software per machine before profit began, it would have been a good trade.
 
[quote name='epobirs']The strength came at a fatal cost and wasn't exploited well until recently. If they could have split the difference and needed to sell less software per machine before profit began, it would have been a good trade.[/QUOTE]

what was fatal about it? they needed something to really sell themselves on, since everyone was pissed about them entering into the console market. If it was the same as the PS2, it would have died a quick death.
 
[quote name='Apossum']Come on now, as if that whole post wasn't meant to agitate xbox owners...there's plenty of good games on it besides Winning Eleven 8. They had a decent line up of devs that brought on some great exclusives this gen. They've been saying that they are confident enough in the 360, and of course their place in the market, so now they can really branch out with developers and get an even better line up. It just sounds so Nintendo-fanboyish to be like "Hey look, they FINALLY care about games." They've been making them, but they didn't have like 50 games coming out a month like the PS2. Some argue that there's quality over quantity on the xbox, though I partially disagree with that...



Sorry, I wasn't name calling, meaning to start a fight, or stating my opinion...it's just that most people know about MS' more aggressive stance on games.[/QUOTE]

I own an Xbox. I own WE8. I own other games. I don't care for any of them much (Panzer Dragoon is okay, but not worthy the price of a console). So you are saying I was trying to agitate myself? Good work Colombo...:roll:

And I was just restating what you said and then used a rolly eyes smiley. That means sarcasm.

And I own a large amount of PS2 games. ut I use them on friends' consoles. I have not yet been interested in buying another broken piece of hardware out of the box. And I own a fair share of Xbox games, but the only one that sees any play time is WE8. And I only play Halo (1 or 2) to humor friends. It is painfully dull to me.

Just about everything you have stated is completely inaccurate.
 
Just about everything you have stated is completely inaccurate.
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aahhhhh, it's one of these! read ya loud and clear ;-)

relax, this is way off topic. I just thought the nintendo thing was a funny statement and when you said the xbox has 1 good game, that was even funnier. and I don't own halo 1 or 2...
 
[quote name='Apossum']what was fatal about it? they needed something to really sell themselves on, since everyone was pissed about them entering into the console market. If it was the same as the PS2, it would have died a quick death.[/QUOTE]

THe fatal bit was the deficit each Xbox starts with when purchased. Microsoft has to sell that person several games before they see so much as a penny of profit. That cost issue is what stood between them and profitability throughout all but one quarterly period in the machine's existence.

As it stands they've hit the bottom on pricing. As you may have heard, the end of Xbox1 manufacturing is occurring within a few months. At the time the 360 goes on sale the original machine will be start to become unavailable except in secondhand form. There will never be an Xbox equivalent of the PSone that sells millions of units tens of millions of software units after its predecessor has become the company's main focus. This stalls the reach of Microsoft's console brand into more cost sensitive markets and deeper into the main markets.

This is largely blamable on the desire for an easy escape mechanism from the capital investment early on. Normally, any time a company aranges with an outside design firm to produce a unique chip or chipset for device and that silicon has no application elsewhere, the ownership of the IP goes to the company making the purchase. This means a lot of cash up front for the delivered product but the buyer can then take that IP to anyone they chose for manufacturing and upgrades. But to avoid spending too money for a product that might bomb, the bean counters at Microsoft pushed for a merchant arrangement with Nvidia. Nvidia would own the IP and would produce the chips to order for Microsoft. This meant Nvidia got a lot of power but not not the best interests of the Xbox in their grasp. PArt of this was due to the rush in getting the Xbox design done. USing an Nvidia design with very little difference from their PC products was a fast way to define a product but it also meant there was no way in hell Nvidia was going to sell off the IP when that would potentially enable Microsoft to go into competition with them. (There was a lot of video chip design work happening within MS in the 90's but they largely gifted it to the industry to promote the theories they were pursuing adnvancing 3D rendering techniques. A lot of the guys who essentially invented 3D rendering work at Microsoft Research, so it made some companies nervous about Microsoft's plans.)

Naturally, Nvidia wants to make profits off their chips and Microsoft wants to obtain them cheaply as possible to improve their chances of making money on sotware. This turned into a conflict when the Xbox sales slowed after the launch enthusiasm dimished. The sales were never a disaster but the machine wasn't jumping off the shelves in the way needed to keep Microsoft and Nvidia's relationship harmonious. Microsoft, under pressure to cut retail prices in turn pushed Nvidia for cuts in chip pricing. Thing got worse from there.

If Microsoft had put of their Xbox launch for a year they could have had ownership of their chipset, or at least those portions that wouldn't see die shrinks without Microsoft's prompting, particularly the CPU. Intel carried that product line out to nearly twice the speed of the Xbox CPU and created some very low power version that became extremely cheap over time. Creating a cheap and small Xbox would not have been a problem with off the shelf Intel parts. It was Nvidia that had no motivation to create new smaller and cheaper version of their portions of the chipset.

The Xbox could lose a good chunk of horsepower and still have the best numbers of the generation. If that had cut $20 from the bill of materials it would have made a huge difference in reducing red ink while afecting few games. Alternately, they could have made up much of the difference by going with 128 MB of RAM as the system board design allows. The cost of that RAM would eventually have come down in a way the Nvidia chips didn't and made a huge difference with what developers could do with the machine. That would have lead to a lot more exclusives and allowed a lot more good PC ports.

But that is all history now. The Xbox 360 is a very different story and Microsoft appears to be in a much better position for this platform over its lifetime. I wouldn't be surprised if IBM didn't already have plans for when they'll start work on a 65 nm version of the CPU.
 
Right...it is pretty ugly and this is why so many folks got pissed when they heard about the xbox, cause one way or another, MS was gonna bust into the market with a crowbar, being one of few companies that can afford to take billion dollar risks.
Like you said, it worked out on a certain level for them. With the right ad campaign the 360 is going to be *scarce* from launch until about mid-january.
 
if they got the games, it might be scarce longer then january..a lot of stores around me still don't have xbox 1 in stock, and the eb and gamestops have little to no used xboxes
 
[quote name='ryanbph']if they got the games, it might be scarce longer then january..a lot of stores around me still don't have xbox 1 in stock, and the eb and gamestops have little to no used xboxes[/QUOTE]

That's because the Xbox production is being halted all together soon and they are trying to get all of the consoles out of the lines before 360 launches.
 
[quote name='MorPhiend']That's because the Xbox production is being halted all together soon and they are trying to get all of the consoles out of the lines before 360 launches.[/QUOTE]

Yep, they need to make their move sooner than later. They want to be nearly done with current gen hardware before the next round of price cuts pops up later this year. Matching any reduced PS2 price would be very costly. A lot of people saying they think Microsoft is jumping the gun don't seem to understand this.
 
the one thing that really turns me off about M$ is how "hip" they try to make themselves look... seriously... watch the press confrence and don't tell me the people sitting between the main stage and the screen in the back were not hired actors/models/people paid to be there... the first thing that makes this a little obviouse is the damn amount of girls sitting there and acting very interested... wow... that's alot of girls actually interested ina a game... they seemed to outnumber the guys (but hey, if I am wrong, i am still happy, as that means more gamer girls in this world).

I know this may start some flaming, so i want to start of by saying that M$ probably put the best and most well coordinated show on the floor of E3... totally kicked sony and nintendo in those areas... but... ahh whatever...

let me just say this: M$ is diging their feet into the world of mediocrity. They are overly mainstream and don't seem to want to turn the game industry on its head. I say good luck and God bless to M$ and the new Xbox 360, but if they keep up with this trend, Xbox may not last for long... aww jeeze, i said i would shut up and now look what I've done... said too much of my mind... gahh... need to slap myself. gday!

/emote slaps himself
 
[quote name='RelentlessRolento']the one thing that really turns me off about M$ is how "hip" they try to make themselves look... seriously... watch the press confrence and don't tell me the people sitting between the main stage and the screen in the back were not hired actors/models/people paid to be there... the first thing that makes this a little obviouse is the damn amount of girls sitting there and acting very interested... wow... that's alot of girls actually interested ina a game... they seemed to outnumber the guys (but hey, if I am wrong, i am still happy, as that means more gamer girls in this world).

I know this may start some flaming, so i want to start of by saying that M$ probably put the best and most well coordinated show on the floor of E3... totally kicked sony and nintendo in those areas... but... ahh whatever...

let me just say this: M$ is diging their feet into the world of mediocrity. They are overly mainstream and don't seem to want to turn the game industry on its head. I say good luck and God bless to M$ and the new Xbox 360, but if they keep up with this trend, Xbox may not last for long... aww jeeze, i said i would shut up and now look what I've done... said too much of my mind... gahh... need to slap myself. gday!

/emote slaps himself[/QUOTE]

Well, I agree that they have been the epitomy of mediocrity. And they are now. But considering J. Allard's recent comments on downplaying graphics, I think they have made a wise stance. I never saw that from M$ before. Sure, you can say it is weakness in what they have to offer. But you can also say that they saw an area that they weren't necessarily going to outshine the others in and have decided to make it a positive in their business model (whether they really mean it or not is another thing). But this is the first time I have really felt that they have done anything good for the industry (even if this is where Nintendo's mind has been for a long time - making it two out of the big three with this mindset only helps gamers in the long run).
 
[quote name='Alberto The One']Does any one know if the xbox live will transfer over to Xbox 360 and will the wireless adaptor work[/QUOTE]

Xbox Live does carry over. One account will work on both machines.

The Xbox wireless adaptor is a standard wireless "G" bridge. It will still be plug and play. You won't have to purchase the wireless card/USB port if you're now using an ethernet "G" bridge.
 
[quote name='RelentlessRolento']
let me just say this: M$ is diging their feet into the world of mediocrity. They are overly mainstream and don't seem to want to turn the game industry on its head. I say good luck and God bless to M$ and the new Xbox 360, but if they keep up with this trend, Xbox may not last for long... aww jeeze, i said i would shut up and now look what I've done... said too much of my mind... gahh... need to slap myself. gday!

/emote slaps himself[/QUOTE]

On the contrary I think this is a smart move on M$ part. If you think about what EA's business model has been the past decade you would see a trend which suggests that marketing to main stream gamers is far more profitable than trying to appeal to the hardcore gamer.

Now I'm not saying that this is good for gaming but this is a business and afterall is said and done money is still a key factor. This strategy will help M$ get closer to overthrowing Sony as the #1 console maker. Probably not in this console generation but for sure the next one.
 
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