Yahoo: "Goodbye Sony PSP, We Barely Knew Ye"

[quote name='ninja dog']You could buy the PS3...some would construe that as "going wrong"[/quote]

It's a quality built console with some solid titles coming down the pike.

All my friends with Wiis don't play it unless they have guests, and all my friends with 360s have been RRODed at least once, I'd rather avoid being part of either crowd.
 
I remember when the PSP came out, my Sony fan boy friend bought it and showed it off at school and I was impressed it's sleep and pretty powerful (at least back then) for a hand held and I loved the extra stuff it could do but I've always had my gripes with it

The UMD is a horrible format IMO it's loud and cumbersome very unattractive for a sexy device that is already kinda big

The system is a bit expensive, well it used to be anyway the games that are on it are just ports and I always dreamed about having deep long games on a hand held but it doesn't deliver.

I hope Sony can learn from their mistakes and start giving this device the attention it deserves.
 
A download only handheld is going to be at a massive disadvantage unless it has its own connection/data plan like a phone does, if its not a phone itself.

PSP has enough problems without limited its potential userbase to people who have broadband connections.
 
[quote name='dcfox']Sony can still save the PSP brand it's just a mystery to me why they're not taking steps to do so.[/quote]

does this answer your question,

"...But then, set the PSP next to the iPhone or iPod Touch, the year's other big winner in portable gaming, and the PSP's hardware design suddenly looks old hat. Where's the touchscreen? What are all these buttons for? What on earth is the point of this useless analog nub of a joystick? And why, in an age when flash memory is so cheap it practically comes in Cheerios boxes, are we still stuck with a huge, bulky, slow, and noisy optical drive? If you're going to compete by offering a powerful hardware platform, you actually need to outperform the competition. As the iPhone steps into the portable gaming ring, it's already got the PSP on the ropes.
Guess what, Sony: Apple already made the Walkman of the 21st century, and you missed the boat." by mike smith

rofl! the psp is a multimedia device, so it isn't competing against nintendo it's competing against other multimedia devices like the ipod and the itouch. and the people on this board who are supporting it don't even realize that it's a multimedia device going against apple and other multimedia devices. you people are still in 2000 while everyone else are going forward.
 
I have had a few PSP's since they came out, most recently the Madden 09 blue one. I keep thinking "yeah Sony's gonna come thru with some support" but i always find myself going back to the DS.

Sony has dropped the ball and its a damn shame.
 
[quote name='pochaccoheaven']does this answer your question,

"...But then, set the PSP next to the iPhone or iPod Touch, the year's other big winner in portable gaming, and the PSP's hardware design suddenly looks old hat. Where's the touchscreen? What are all these buttons for? What on earth is the point of this useless analog nub of a joystick? And why, in an age when flash memory is so cheap it practically comes in Cheerios boxes, are we still stuck with a huge, bulky, slow, and noisy optical drive? If you're going to compete by offering a powerful hardware platform, you actually need to outperform the competition. As the iPhone steps into the portable gaming ring, it's already got the PSP on the ropes.
Guess what, Sony: Apple already made the Walkman of the 21st century, and you missed the boat." by mike smith

rofl! the psp is a multimedia device, so it isn't competing against nintendo it's competing against other multimedia devices like the ipod and the itouch. and the people on this board who are supporting it don't even realize that it's a multimedia device going against apple and other multimedia devices. you people are still in 2000 while everyone else are going forward.[/QUOTE]

The problem with that is that they will lose an entire gaming sector, their current holders of PSP.

The reason I'm getting one is to play psp games. not music or movies, I call that extra.


If they want to compete with Apple, they will lose games because those kinds of people don't want to play a portable MGS or a new Atlus title or even a Killzone port... they want to play widescreen fucking peggle.

Apple's "gaming device" is what all of Cag makes fun of the Wii... casual gamers no 1st party hits, crapware shovelware, it's gathering dust.

Seriously I'm not going to waste my time playing the new Solitaire, when there are so much better options to play on the DS or PSP.

If Sony thinks they need to ... fine. But I'll consider it selling out and taking the psp away from gaming.

Gaming is a huge part of ENTERTAINMENT. Not waste 10 seconds because of your gnat like attention span so you need to play the Itouch's version of solitaire.

Gamestop's profits harden that fact.
 
Someone post that wonderful Altered Beast Rise from the Grave pic!

Anyways I am more interested in a PSP this year then ever (I had one and sold one at launch due to lack of games) because of the potential promises this year

- Persona 1 enhanced version. Sold my PS1 copy for $93 on eBay in anticipation
- Little Big Planet PSP
- Motorstorm
- Dissidia Final Fantasy
- Sony is going to make "PSP fans happy" this E3, so that means even more games this year? Or the PSP2 ? *shrugs*
- With the announcement of the PSP2 if it isn't backwards I expect PSP1 games to be cheap! But...
- ... games are already getting cheap! My two most wanted games of last year (Crisis Core and God of War) and now $20 greatest hits, and with the recent price drops and games sales most good PSP games are $20 or less. Not to mention games will get only cheaper, so It's a good time to own a PSP imho.
 
[quote name='xycury']
Seriously I'm not going to waste my time playing the new Solitaire, when there are so much better options to play on the DS or PSP.

If Sony thinks they need to ... fine. But I'll consider it selling out and taking the psp away from gaming.

Gaming is a huge part of ENTERTAINMENT. Not waste 10 seconds because of your gnat like attention span so you need to play the Itouch's version of solitaire.

Gamestop's profits harden that fact.[/QUOTE]

Well I think the thing is that most people just don't need a portable gaming device. I'm not into games enough that I'm going to lug my DS everywhere (been ages since anything I wanted to play came out on it anyway) and be able to pull it out when I have 10 or 15 minutes to kill in a waiting room etc. Even on long trips I know just do work on my laptop or read on my Kindle.

With the iPod/iPhone you have something you carry everywhere as it's your phone and/or music player, and you have the bonus that it plays some simple games if you need to kill a few minutes unexpectedly or whatever.

So it really is differnet markets like you say--with hardcore gamers who want to game as much as possible every day having use of a PSP or DS and the multimedia devices just being simple diversion.

I just don't have the disdain for those diversion, since I'm not a hardcore gamer anymore and will never buy another portable gaming device. But may play tetris or something on a cellphone from time to time when stuck somewhere with nothing to do for a few minutes.

Others want to have games with them everywhere, or need one as they have a wife/kids who hoard the TV and consoles etc.

So there's room for both types of devices out there, and Sony just needs to decide which they want to go after. Do they want to challenge Nintendo who's long been invincible in the portable gaming market? Or do they want to challenge Apple who's kind of the multimedia portable devices?

My personal opinion is that either is a lost cause for them and they're probably better off scrapping their portable market and trying to right the console ship where they were once kind and now stuck in third place.
 
[quote name='Monsta Mack']Someone post that wonderful Altered Beast Rise from the Grave pic!

Anyways I am more interested in a PSP this year then ever (I had one and sold one at launch due to lack of games) because of the potential promises this year

- Persona 1 enhanced version. Sold my PS1 copy for $93 on eBay in anticipation
- Little Big Planet PSP
- Motorstorm
- Dissidia Final Fantasy
- Sony is going to make "PSP fans happy" this E3, so that means even more games this year? Or the PSP2 ? *shrugs*
- With the announcement of the PSP2 if it isn't backwards I expect PSP1 games to be cheap! But...
- ... games are already getting cheap! My two most wanted games of last year (Crisis Core and God of War) and now $20 greatest hits, and with the recent price drops and games sales most good PSP games are $20 or less. Not to mention games will get only cheaper, so It's a good time to own a PSP imho.[/QUOTE]

I'm actually looking for a PSP to play games. yes games. not movies or music, just games.

I think it has some quality exclusive titles and have intrested me over the years.

With this years game day sales, I've picked out some titles, but no handheld :cry:

I really don't care if the PSP2 goes UMDless but that will stop me from buying one, and only if that new downloadable content is available on the 1000/2000/3000 models.

It's to the point that the DSi would remove it's slot 1 and have no options to play DS titles. Makes me really worried where the future is going with this handheld.

[quote name='dmaul1114']snip[/QUOTE]

Totally agree. I think Sony wants to challenge Apple but that's going to be far too difficult. They aren't winning the handheld market, with the DSi now, and DS so firmly planted, lack of titles, all that it had going for it was movies and hacking the damn thing for emulators.

It's right now going to be where the ps3 is... geez.
 
[quote name='dcfox']Sony can still save the PSP brand it's just a mystery to me why they're not taking steps to do so.[/quote]


I hear that. I'm hungry for some new PSP games but there's nothing coming out. :(
 
I hope so. (of course they do), because PSP cases are the best looking game cases ever made.

That being said, I hope for DD only future for PSP2/DS2.
 
[quote name='dallow']
That being said, I hope for DD only future for PSP2/DS2.[/QUOTE]

Seriously? You're one of the few I've ever heard tout that.

DD only and I'm out of the picture as games I can't resell aren't something I'd spend money on since I never replay games and get the vast majority of my games from Goozex.
 
[quote name='dallow']Good. ;)[/quote]

Don't worry, DD or not the 360 is probably the last console I'll buy, so I'll be out of CAGs hair in a few years most likely either way!. :D

But seriously, yes.
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Why do you hope that? Simple convenience? Just curious.

I'm ok with some types of digial content. i.e. I have no problems with buying some DRM'd books for my Kindle as they're cheap and I only buy stuff I'll read once so I don't care if I can't read it years down the road if Amazon goes under (and besides it's easy to strip the DRM anyway for those so inclined). I just view it more as a rental and paying to avoid the hassle of going to the library (which doesn't have a lot of what I read anyway).

But I can't do it with games since costs are much higher that spending $5-10 for an ebook. Combine that with games just not being worth much to me since they're a good bit down my hobby list and I need to be able to get games for next to no cost like through Goozex and other ways of trading/reselling or I'm just not going to bother.
 
Heh, I didn't mean "good" in that way. :)
Just that a DD only future would be good for devs and possibly lead to savings for us with less overhead.

I don't know if we're even ready for a DD only world with handheld games, but with retailers like Amazon now selling DD content via codes, it could work out.
 
I think I might be able to get behind DD if you can lock the license onto a SD card (proprietary or otherwise) so that it could be playable on all systems, plus making available pdfs of manuals and case inserts to print, as well as cases.

An upper cost tier for the discerning physical copy enthusiast, if you will.
 
[quote name='dallow']Heh, I didn't mean "good" in that way. :)
Just that a DD only future would be good for devs and possibly lead to savings for us with less overhead.
[/QUOTE]

Savings wouldn't get passed on to us, not enough to make it worthwhile.

Look at digital music. Albums go for $9.99. Most can be had for CD at or around that price release week or in sells.

eBooks, they're cheaper than hardback, but the ones for stuff in paper back cost about the same ($6-7 typically).

It's just a way for publishers to make more profits by charging the same (or close to it) for something that costs them less as they don't have to manufacture and ship physical products. As well as killing rentals and the used game market.

All gamers get is the instant gratification convenience of DD, and that's not worth losing resell, or the ability to take the game to a friends, etc. etc. IMO.
 
[quote name='Dr Mario Kart']I think I might be able to get behind DD if you can lock the license onto a SD card (proprietary or otherwise) so that it could be playable on all systems, plus making available pdfs of manuals and case inserts to print, as well as cases.

An upper cost tier for the discerning physical copy enthusiast, if you will.[/quote]I like this idea a lot.

[quote name='dmaul1114']Savings wouldn't get passed on to us, not enough to make it worthwhile.

Look at digital music. Albums go for $9.99. Most can be had for CD at or around that price release week or in sells.

eBooks, they're cheaper than hardback, but the ones for stuff in paper back cost about the same ($6-7 typically).

It's just a way for publishers to make more profits by charging the same (or close to it) for something that costs them less as they don't have to manufacture and ship physical products. As well as killing rentals and the used game market.

All gamers get is the instant gratification convenience of DD, and that's not worth losing resell, or the ability to take the game to a friends, etc. etc. IMO.[/quote]Ah, more than likely, yeah.
I'm just for killing the used market and having some effective anti-piracy measures made. :p
I do buy used games from time to time, but the majority are new.

I can only start a DD only collection when they remove the option of a physical copy.
Until then, I have to have a disc version.
I even bought World of Goo on disc.
 
Seems a bit silly to want to see the used game market killed. We're getting more good games than ever (unless your someone like DMK that doesn't like modern games) so it's not hurting developers and giving us less options IMO.

So I see no harm in it being out there for those of us who aren't into gaming enough to pay new game prices, or to buy a game that we can't resell/trade even though we'll never play it again etc.
 
Revision, I'd like the license to be locked on SD cards, with no art assets provided. That way I can take out a loan, hire a photoshop guy and get into high end collectors publishing :p
 
I think I'm going to point out one issue...
this is reference the UMDs... Most people don't talk about the quality of the UMD cases. The UMD was total crap... after so long they'd just fall apart leaving the disc open, and almost unplayable. The first issue is that that clear plastic piece (w/ the UMD sticker) would start to sink in, and then you'd have to push it up into place. This would continue, until the entire top UMD plastic piece would eventually disconnect from the white casing. Now, the white casing which was cheap and flimsy would basically break down.

The UMD games were not built very well, to be portable. They didn't have the durability of a cartridge. for the PSP2 I don't think that UMD should be dismissed from the console; although I loathe the UMD format, I think the PSP2 needs it solely for Backwards Compatibility. If Sony was smart, what they could do is set up a program that will allow a game to be ripped from the original PSP and be transferred to the PSP2. I don't know how Sony can set up the security, but the goal of my idea is just to allow those that have PSP games be able to play those games on the PSP2 without having to go back to using UMDs, and having to rebuy those same games in digital format. The UMD format needs to be put to rest.
 
[quote name='dmaul1114']Seems a bit silly to want to see the used game market killed. We're getting more good games than ever (unless your someone like DMK that doesn't like modern games) so it's not hurting developers and giving us less options IMO.

So I see no harm in it being out there for those of us who aren't into gaming enough to pay new game prices, or to buy a game that we can't resell/trade even though we'll never play it again etc.[/QUOTE]

Retailers need something to sell and that's one of the cons of getting rid of UMDs,. The Iphone and Ipod touch - has games and apps that you can't buy retail. But its not a problem because retailers can still make a lot of money off accessories. I think it might be a win win situation, if Sony can just start sellling PSP2 games via the PSN, and retailers can sell the PSN money cards. If you can get those PSN money cards at a discount then you get games at a discount. Also, developers still get more games sold and there's no losses from the used market. Its more of a tradeoff - the used market option for buying PSN money cards cheap. Instead of saving on the used games, you save money from buying the money cards at a cheaper rate. I figure if all the PSP2 users have to use them, then maybe they may be put on sale from time to time.
 
[quote name='manthing']They still release retail games on the PSP?

:whistle2:s[/quote]

Yep, and there are a boatload coming soon. Motorstorm, Rock Band, LBP, Assassin's Creed, Persona 1....

*I am also personally excited that the PSP version of Madden '10 is going to have a play creator function. I'll drop $25-$30 on it just for that feature alone.
 
[quote name='dmaul1114']Seems a bit silly to want to see the used game market killed. We're getting more good games than ever (unless your someone like DMK that doesn't like modern games) so it's not hurting developers and giving us less options IMO.

So I see no harm in it being out there for those of us who aren't into gaming enough to pay new game prices, or to buy a game that we can't resell/trade even though we'll never play it again etc.[/quote]
Just handhelds.
 
Yes, but by supporting it for handhelds, you support it for everything. If they go DD only and have success on handhelds, you can be sure they'll go that way on consoles they next go around as well.
 
Fair enough. DD is fine for those of you that only buy new games and keep all your games after beating them.

Just sucks for the rest of us.
 
Possibly, but I'm skeptical as there's more money to be made in just selling digital games than having rental or subscription systems.

I still wouldn't be up for it as I'm sure it would cost me more than what I spend on games now. Gears 2 was all I bought new last year (and I got it for $45 in a deal, and paid for that with gift certificates from my credit card rewards) with the other 5 or 6 games I picked up being from Goozex.

But I'll concede a rental system would at least be much better than a purely sales DD assuming the prices are reasonable.
 
There's no way in hell I'd keep up with modern videogames if they switched strictly to DD. I'd just spend my days replaying old Sega-system games and trying to complete my 32x collection.
 
[quote name='manthing']They still release retail games on the PSP?

:whistle2:s[/quote]

Yep, I just bought Samurai Shodown Anthology this week.
 
[quote name='dmaul1114']No serious gamer is going to.

....[/quote]

why don't you tell that to all the people in the video game industy who seems so apt that the iphone and the itouch is the next generation of handheld video games. look at kotaku with all those reports of developers who say the same thing. even kojima is to go so bold on making a game for the iphone.
 
[quote name='Blackout']I agree with the article. I had the PSP since the first year it came out but sold it this summer. Sony just dropped the ball. They aren't doing anything with it. There were some great games, but it just felt the system was dead. It seems like now all the PSN games are becoming PSP games...which is a joke. PSP should be killing DS, but it isn't. It's done really well for Sony's first handheld, but I just gave up on it. It feels like Sony did too. [/quote]

Uh, why?

Does that mean 360 and PS3 should be outselling Wii?
 
I want to see if Sony has learned any lessons from their PS3 launch issues. This PSP2 launch is really going to be an indicator of how much they learned from the PS3 launch; its going to be interesting to see how they set the price point. I don't think I could stand looking at a 399 PSP2. I don't think I can stand a limited release PSP2 making us have to fight over units, or trying to sell them online for 3 times the price.
 
I guess people just don't want a hand held device that's also "a phone, a portable music player, a pocket-sized movie device, a mobile web browser, and when paired with a Playstation 3, a remarkably capable remote control for the system, capable of streaming music and movies from a PS3 over the Internet to wherever you happen to be."
 
I love how this thread is full of speculation about the price of the PSP2....SOMETHING THAT WE DO NOT EVEN KNOW EXISTS YET, MUCH LESS KNOW ANY FEATURES/SPECS. All this "I think the PSP2 will cost $199/$250/$399" is beyond retarded.
 
Fact: PSP 4000/PSP2 will launch at above the price of the PSP 3000 on the date the price is announced. Possibly same price if the prior model is discontinued.

Neither model needs to exist yet for this to be the case. When they get around to existing, this will be true.

This gives us a lower limit to price speculation.
 
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