Zarqawi Wounded? Pathetic Silence from CAG's Left
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mykevermin
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Who's this CTL cat? Does he have some kind of previous legacy here at CAG? At any rate, welcome. That was, in all probability, the last nicety you'll get out of me (then again, you never can tell...).
myke.
...he's just looking for a fight anyway. I could post a thread about the ACLU obtained Cuban detainee interviews that indicate Koran abuse (both in the way that the murderers at Newsweek described, and others), and follow up about how the silence of the right was deafening. It's too bad that the silence about the downing street memo is like a
ing Slayer concert compared to anything these homeslices have to say.
myke.
...he's just looking for a fight anyway. I could post a thread about the ACLU obtained Cuban detainee interviews that indicate Koran abuse (both in the way that the murderers at Newsweek described, and others), and follow up about how the silence of the right was deafening. It's too bad that the silence about the downing street memo is like a
ing Slayer concert compared to anything these homeslices have to say.
[quote name='mykevermin']myke.
...he's just looking for a fight anyway. I could post a thread about the ACLU obtained Cuban detainee interviews that indicate Koran abuse (both in the way that the murderers at Newsweek described, and others), and follow up about how the silence of the right was deafening. It's too bad that the silence about the downing street memo is like aing Slayer concert compared to anything these homeslices have to say.[/QUOTE]
I'm not sure of what the Newsweek report even said, but I can tell you this: There are no toilets or sinks in the jails in Guantanamo. A hole in the ground to shit in, and a small pipe to pee in, neither of which is anywhere near big enough to get a book down.
If the report said pages and not book, then disregard this post.
...he's just looking for a fight anyway. I could post a thread about the ACLU obtained Cuban detainee interviews that indicate Koran abuse (both in the way that the murderers at Newsweek described, and others), and follow up about how the silence of the right was deafening. It's too bad that the silence about the downing street memo is like a
ing Slayer concert compared to anything these homeslices have to say.[/QUOTE]I'm not sure of what the Newsweek report even said, but I can tell you this: There are no toilets or sinks in the jails in Guantanamo. A hole in the ground to shit in, and a small pipe to pee in, neither of which is anywhere near big enough to get a book down.
If the report said pages and not book, then disregard this post.
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[quote name='Rich']I'm not sure of what the Newsweek report even said, but I can tell you this: There are no toilets or sinks in the jails in Guantanamo. A hole in the ground to shit in, and a small pipe to pee in, neither of which is anywhere near big enough to get a book down.
If the report said pages and not book, then disregard this post.[/QUOTE]
Sorry, I'm not buying it. Here are the first few paragraphs from the CNN story:
[quote name='CNN']WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Detainees at the U.S. naval base in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, alleged in 2002 that guards mistreated the Quran, according to some of the hundreds of FBI documents released Wednesday by the American Civil Liberties Union.
The ACLU obtained the documents from the FBI through a federal court order in a lawsuit based on a Freedom of Information Act request. Most of them are records of detainee interviews with FBI agents.
According to the documents, a detainee interviewed in August 2002 said guards had flushed a copy of the Quran in a toilet.
Others reported the Quran being kicked, withheld as punishment and thrown on the floor.
Prisoners also complained about "non-believers" touching the book, according to the documents.
A senior Pentagon official said Wednesday that on May 14 camp officials re-interviewed the detainee who made the flushing claim and he failed to substantiate it.[/quote]
Wouldn't it be so much easier (and hella convincing) to say "there are no toilets," instead of "failed to substantiate it"? Why go with conventionally ambiguous military language, then, when it would up your argument?
myke.
If the report said pages and not book, then disregard this post.[/QUOTE]
Sorry, I'm not buying it. Here are the first few paragraphs from the CNN story:
[quote name='CNN']WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Detainees at the U.S. naval base in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, alleged in 2002 that guards mistreated the Quran, according to some of the hundreds of FBI documents released Wednesday by the American Civil Liberties Union.
The ACLU obtained the documents from the FBI through a federal court order in a lawsuit based on a Freedom of Information Act request. Most of them are records of detainee interviews with FBI agents.
According to the documents, a detainee interviewed in August 2002 said guards had flushed a copy of the Quran in a toilet.
Others reported the Quran being kicked, withheld as punishment and thrown on the floor.
Prisoners also complained about "non-believers" touching the book, according to the documents.
A senior Pentagon official said Wednesday that on May 14 camp officials re-interviewed the detainee who made the flushing claim and he failed to substantiate it.[/quote]
Wouldn't it be so much easier (and hella convincing) to say "there are no toilets," instead of "failed to substantiate it"? Why go with conventionally ambiguous military language, then, when it would
up your argument?myke.
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[quote name='Rich']Ford is the greatest president ever. Why? Because he didn't do anything. That makes him great, in my book. 
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Nero didn't do anything either.
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[quote name='Rich']Conventionally ambiguous military language? They shit in holes. They piss in pipes. This is ambigious? My brother was just there 3 weeks ago, I don't see why he would lie.[/QUOTE]
The ambiguous language was that the army claimed the interviewed detainee "failed to substantiate [claims of Koran abuse]." They could have said "hey! We have no toilets! Nyah!"
If someone asks me if I have a hairy ass, I tell them "no, I don't." That way they avoid saying "myke failed to substantiate his hairy ass."
myke.
...Your brother is your only source? Have him e-mail me every morning with an update, since I clearly don't need theing news anymore.
The ambiguous language was that the army claimed the interviewed detainee "failed to substantiate [claims of Koran abuse]." They could have said "hey! We have no toilets! Nyah!"
If someone asks me if I have a hairy ass, I tell them "no, I don't." That way they avoid saying "myke failed to substantiate his hairy ass."
myke.
...Your brother is your only source? Have him e-mail me every morning with an update, since I clearly don't need the
ing news anymore.
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Out of curiousity, what do we hope to accomplish out of this war? Do we hope to root out all the evil, is that even really possible? I mean, I'm sure we kill a lot of terrorists, but I'm sure we kill innocent bystanders as well. I agree that it is a part of war, but wouldn't this eventually breed hate for the USA also? I'm definitely not saying that this war was illegal or anything like that, but we are in a perpetual war in Iraq. I don't really forsee it being resolved anytime soon. That is a problem. I'm sure there is a lot of public support by Iraqis for the U.S. to be there, but I'm sure they don't want us there forever and telling them what is good for them. No one likes someone else to come in their house and start telling them what to do and what's right. I'm a child who is a product of parents who were in a war, and to hear them talk about it, I've determined one thing: War is not good for anyone, and no one comes out the winner. War is generally about destruction and death over some ideology that is in direct contrast to another ideology. It almost has nothing to do with saving lives or rescuing people from tyranny. Anyway, just my 2 cents.
CTLesq
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[quote name='mykevermin']Who's this CTL cat? Does he have some kind of previous legacy here at CAG? At any rate, welcome. That was, in all probability, the last nicety you'll get out of me (then again, you never can tell...).
myke.
...he's just looking for a fight anyway. I could post a thread about the ACLU obtained Cuban detainee interviews that indicate Koran abuse (both in the way that the murderers at Newsweek described, and others), and follow up about how the silence of the right was deafening. It's too bad that the silence about the downing street memo is like aing Slayer concert compared to anything these homeslices have to say.[/QUOTE]
"homeslice" delightful.
I have read excerpts from the interviews of the detainees. The fact of the matter remains that what was described simply does not amount to abuse.
Nor is there any credible reason to believe that a Koran was flushed down the toilet.
But the bottom line is this: this thread was about Zarqawi being wounded.
None (well one of you after being berated for three posts) can bring himself to say this is good news, all you can do is complain about the US.
It speaks volumes about where your loyalties are.
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myke.
...he's just looking for a fight anyway. I could post a thread about the ACLU obtained Cuban detainee interviews that indicate Koran abuse (both in the way that the murderers at Newsweek described, and others), and follow up about how the silence of the right was deafening. It's too bad that the silence about the downing street memo is like a
ing Slayer concert compared to anything these homeslices have to say.[/QUOTE]"homeslice" delightful.
I have read excerpts from the interviews of the detainees. The fact of the matter remains that what was described simply does not amount to abuse.
Nor is there any credible reason to believe that a Koran was flushed down the toilet.
But the bottom line is this: this thread was about Zarqawi being wounded.
None (well one of you after being berated for three posts) can bring himself to say this is good news, all you can do is complain about the US.
It speaks volumes about where your loyalties are.
CTL
mykevermin
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[quote name='CTLesq']"homeslice" delightful.
I have read excerpts from the interviews of the detainees. The fact of the matter remains that what was described simply does not amount to abuse.
Nor is there any credible reason to believe that a Koran was flushed down the toilet.
But the bottom line is this: this thread was about Zarqawi being wounded.
None (well one of you after being berated for three posts) can bring himself to say this is good news, all you can do is complain about the US.
It speaks volumes about where your loyalties are.
CTL[/QUOTE]
Yeah, shame on us for expecting better out of a first world country that is talking the talk, but evidently not walking the walk in regards to human rights.
And then there's this:
[quote name='CTLesq']I have read excerpts from the interviews of the detainees. The fact of the matter remains that what was described simply does not amount to abuse.[/quote]
Really? The undeniable, objective, inherent nature of our relations with the detainees is that this is not abuse? How do you know? What makes you the expert? Are you muslim? Do you fully comprehend the significance of the Koran and its proper treatment? Tell me, how would you categorize this behavior by the United States if it is not abuse? Also, what is the clear line between whatever "this" is an abuse, then?ing "facts." That word should be outlawed for those who improperly use it for subjective situations.
Consider the reverence and procedures you learn in the military regarding the United States flag; however, make the authority metaphysical and omnipotent (meaning the consequences of insubordination are much graver, and, er, long-lasting, than any government could apply) than the military authority. This is an overly simplistic view; the point being, we aren't taunting people with Cosmopolitan magazine. I'm sure plenty of your military friends would behave irrationally and suffer some psychological side effects if they saw the flag being similarly treated.
myke.
...what's with all the "you didn't say this, so you suck" arguments? I haven't seen you say anything about the Downing Street Memo, which proved that the reasons for war in Iraq were actively fabricated well before a reason was given to the public for going in there; does your silence on this document make you complicit of anything, or are you just a simple-minded conservative lapdog?
I have read excerpts from the interviews of the detainees. The fact of the matter remains that what was described simply does not amount to abuse.
Nor is there any credible reason to believe that a Koran was flushed down the toilet.
But the bottom line is this: this thread was about Zarqawi being wounded.
None (well one of you after being berated for three posts) can bring himself to say this is good news, all you can do is complain about the US.
It speaks volumes about where your loyalties are.
CTL[/QUOTE]
Yeah, shame on us for expecting better out of a first world country that is talking the talk, but evidently not walking the walk in regards to human rights.
And then there's this:
[quote name='CTLesq']I have read excerpts from the interviews of the detainees. The fact of the matter remains that what was described simply does not amount to abuse.[/quote]
Really? The undeniable, objective, inherent nature of our relations with the detainees is that this is not abuse? How do you know? What makes you the expert? Are you muslim? Do you fully comprehend the significance of the Koran and its proper treatment? Tell me, how would you categorize this behavior by the United States if it is not abuse? Also, what is the clear line between whatever "this" is an abuse, then?
ing "facts." That word should be outlawed for those who improperly use it for subjective situations.Consider the reverence and procedures you learn in the military regarding the United States flag; however, make the authority metaphysical and omnipotent (meaning the consequences of insubordination are much graver, and, er, long-lasting, than any government could apply) than the military authority. This is an overly simplistic view; the point being, we aren't taunting people with Cosmopolitan magazine. I'm sure plenty of your military friends would behave irrationally and suffer some psychological side effects if they saw the flag being similarly treated.
myke.
...what's with all the "you didn't say this, so you suck" arguments? I haven't seen you say anything about the Downing Street Memo, which proved that the reasons for war in Iraq were actively fabricated well before a reason was given to the public for going in there; does your silence on this document make you complicit of anything, or are you just a simple-minded conservative lapdog?
[quote name='Quackzilla']I didn't believe he had WMDs, the majority of people on earth didn't believe he had WMDs, and the majority of people in the univers don't even know earth exists.
It's funny how the only people who are, in your opinion, credible, were totally wrong.[/QUOTE]
Congrats, you get the "Most Useless Member of CAG" award. You are quite possibly one of the dumbest, ignorant, and ostentatious members on these forums. You never give any evidence or meaning to any of your posts. You are also a prime example of a Democrat--go on and hide behind the facade of your computer moniter. The majority of people thought he had no WMDs? Right. Bravo. You must be 10 or something.
It's funny how the only people who are, in your opinion, credible, were totally wrong.[/QUOTE]
Congrats, you get the "Most Useless Member of CAG" award. You are quite possibly one of the dumbest, ignorant, and ostentatious members on these forums. You never give any evidence or meaning to any of your posts. You are also a prime example of a Democrat--go on and hide behind the facade of your computer moniter. The majority of people thought he had no WMDs? Right. Bravo. You must be 10 or something.
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[quote name='CTLesq']"homeslice" delightful.
I have read excerpts from the interviews of the detainees. The fact of the matter remains that what was described simply does not amount to abuse.
Nor is there any credible reason to believe that a Koran was flushed down the toilet.
But the bottom line is this: this thread was about Zarqawi being wounded.
None (well one of you after being berated for three posts) can bring himself to say this is good news, all you can do is complain about the US.
It speaks volumes about where your loyalties are.
CTL[/QUOTE]
Yes, it does speak about our loyalties. We'd like to see the U.S. reverse it's downward spiral. We'd like to see the person in charge of this country have his priorities in the right order. We'd like to have a country in which civil liberties are not infringed upon by our president. Most importantly, we'd like to reurn to our country the respect that it had 8 years ago. The fact that we may or may not have injured Zarqawi doesn't really change the larger picture. This isn't about republican or democrat, liberal or conservative. This is about what's best for our country, and Bush is leading us in the wrong direction. So forgive us if we are non-plussed by the unconfirmed possible injury of a terrorist leader that we created.
I have read excerpts from the interviews of the detainees. The fact of the matter remains that what was described simply does not amount to abuse.
Nor is there any credible reason to believe that a Koran was flushed down the toilet.
But the bottom line is this: this thread was about Zarqawi being wounded.
None (well one of you after being berated for three posts) can bring himself to say this is good news, all you can do is complain about the US.
It speaks volumes about where your loyalties are.
CTL[/QUOTE]
Yes, it does speak about our loyalties. We'd like to see the U.S. reverse it's downward spiral. We'd like to see the person in charge of this country have his priorities in the right order. We'd like to have a country in which civil liberties are not infringed upon by our president. Most importantly, we'd like to reurn to our country the respect that it had 8 years ago. The fact that we may or may not have injured Zarqawi doesn't really change the larger picture. This isn't about republican or democrat, liberal or conservative. This is about what's best for our country, and Bush is leading us in the wrong direction. So forgive us if we are non-plussed by the unconfirmed possible injury of a terrorist leader that we created.
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[quote name='dmpolska']Congrats, you get the "Most Useless Member of CAG" award. You are quite possibly one of the dumbest, ignorant, and ostentatious members on these forums. You never give any evidence or meaning to any of your posts. You are also a prime example of a Democrat--go on and hide behind the facade of your computer moniter. The majority of people thought he had no WMDs? Right. Bravo. You must be 10 or something.[/QUOTE]
The majority of people didn't want to invade, whether quack is right, or within reason, is unknowable at this point.
The majority of people didn't want to invade, whether quack is right, or within reason, is unknowable at this point.
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The majority of people on earth, not the USA.
Try reading next time.
Try reading next time.
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didn't they just find the tunnel the insurgents were basing their operations out of near Fallujah?
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[quote name='CTLesq']He is still wounded. When there is an update we will post it.
The wound still stings doesn't EZB?[/QUOTE]
Ah, yes. The unconfirmed reports of his gunshot wound to the lung. Never mind the voice recording where he says he's fine. Not that this could be an attempt by the U.S. to flush out al-Zarqawi from his hiding hole by getting him to go public.
The wound still stings doesn't EZB?[/QUOTE]
Ah, yes. The unconfirmed reports of his gunshot wound to the lung. Never mind the voice recording where he says he's fine. Not that this could be an attempt by the U.S. to flush out al-Zarqawi from his hiding hole by getting him to go public.
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[quote name='E-Z-B']Ah, yes. The unconfirmed reports of his gunshot wound to the lung. Never mind the voice recording where he says he's fine. Not that this could be an attempt by the U.S. to flush out al-Zarqawi from his hiding hole by getting him to go public.[/QUOTE]
And wouldn't you be disappointed with that result?
Nor have you provided a link to your information. Prey do.
And wouldn't you be disappointed with that result?
Nor have you provided a link to your information. Prey do.
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If CTL had half a brain, he would be touting the huge weapons cache that was found. Which is real, confirmed and will have tangible results.
BAGHDAD, Iraq (CNN) -- U.S. Marines and Iraqi soldiers have uncovered a 503,000-square-foot underground insurgent hideout in central Iraq containing large stores of weapons, ammunition and supplies.
The bunker -- the size of nine American football fields or six soccer pitches -- is the largest found in the past year, the U.S. military said Sunday.
but keep focusing on "the left's" reaction to pretend news instead of what is actually happening.
BAGHDAD, Iraq (CNN) -- U.S. Marines and Iraqi soldiers have uncovered a 503,000-square-foot underground insurgent hideout in central Iraq containing large stores of weapons, ammunition and supplies.
The bunker -- the size of nine American football fields or six soccer pitches -- is the largest found in the past year, the U.S. military said Sunday.
but keep focusing on "the left's" reaction to pretend news instead of what is actually happening.
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[quote name='usickenme']If CTL had half a brain, he would be touting the huge weapons cache that was found. Which is real, confirmed and will have tangible results.
BAGHDAD, Iraq (CNN) -- U.S. Marines and Iraqi soldiers have uncovered a 503,000-square-foot underground insurgent hideout in central Iraq containing large stores of weapons, ammunition and supplies.
The bunker -- the size of nine American football fields or six soccer pitches -- is the largest found in the past year, the U.S. military said Sunday.
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If I only had a brain. If I only had a heart. If I only had courage.
They find weapons caches all the time. This was the biggest so far. And?
CTL
BAGHDAD, Iraq (CNN) -- U.S. Marines and Iraqi soldiers have uncovered a 503,000-square-foot underground insurgent hideout in central Iraq containing large stores of weapons, ammunition and supplies.
The bunker -- the size of nine American football fields or six soccer pitches -- is the largest found in the past year, the U.S. military said Sunday.
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If I only had a brain. If I only had a heart. If I only had courage.
They find weapons caches all the time. This was the biggest so far. And?
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E-Z-B
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[quote name='CTLesq']If I only had a brain. If I only had a heart. If I only had courage.
They find weapons caches all the time. This was the biggest so far. And?
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A confirmed report about the U.S. dealing a blow to the availablility of weapons & explosives to use against our soldiers is uplifiting. An unconfirmed report about a wounded insurgent is little cause for celebration when there's thousands of insurgents to take his place.
They find weapons caches all the time. This was the biggest so far. And?
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A confirmed report about the U.S. dealing a blow to the availablility of weapons & explosives to use against our soldiers is uplifiting. An unconfirmed report about a wounded insurgent is little cause for celebration when there's thousands of insurgents to take his place.
CTLesq
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[quote name='E-Z-B']A confirmed report about the U.S. dealing a blow to the availablility of weapons & explosives to use against our soldiers is uplifiting. An unconfirmed report about a wounded insurgent is little cause for celebration when there's thousands of insurgents to take his place.[/QUOTE]
Actually when you post such an article, that will be uplifting.
CTL
Actually when you post such an article, that will be uplifting.
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E-Z-B
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[quote name='CTLesq']And then you will complain it wasn't fast enough - another failing of the Bush administration.
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The Bush administration failed when they misled the public into a needless war based on cook data. For that, they should be impeached and thrown into jail.
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The Bush administration failed when they misled the public into a needless war based on cook data. For that, they should be impeached and thrown into jail.
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[quote name='CTLesq']If I only had a brain. If I only had a heart. If I only had courage.
They find weapons caches all the time. This was the biggest so far. And?
CTL[/QUOTE]
Tsk, tsk, tsk, the way you were talking earlier news such as this should leave you dancing in the street!
They find weapons caches all the time. This was the biggest so far. And?
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Tsk, tsk, tsk, the way you were talking earlier news such as this should leave you dancing in the street!
CTLesq
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[quote name='alonzomourning23']Tsk, tsk, tsk, the way you were talking earlier news such as this should leave you dancing in the street![/QUOTE]
It is a common occurance with which I am familiar with based on my time in Iraq. I am not knocking it. But had I not posted this thread do you think for a moment any of you who are challenging me would have bothered to post such an article?
Because the answer is no, you wouldn't have.
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It is a common occurance with which I am familiar with based on my time in Iraq. I am not knocking it. But had I not posted this thread do you think for a moment any of you who are challenging me would have bothered to post such an article?
Because the answer is no, you wouldn't have.
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E-Z-B
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[quote name='CTLesq']It is a common occurance with which I am familiar with based on my time in Iraq. I am not knocking it. But had I not posted this thread do you think for a moment any of you who are challenging me would have bothered to post such an article?
Because the answer is no, you wouldn't have.
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That's because I like to use facts to back up my threads.
Because the answer is no, you wouldn't have.
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That's because I like to use facts to back up my threads.
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[quote name='CTLesq']It is a common occurance with which I am familiar with based on my time in Iraq. I am not knocking it. But had I not posted this thread do you think for a moment any of you who are challenging me would have bothered to post such an article?
Because the answer is no, you wouldn't have.
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You think these challenges are anything but tounge in cheeck after the joke that was the original post?
Because the answer is no, you wouldn't have.
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You think these challenges are anything but tounge in cheeck after the joke that was the original post?
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