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I am suprised that they did not try and meet the touch specs more. I mean with wifi and and internet browser. I mean I for the first time in years have thought to get another Ipod for myself when I seen the Touch.

My family owns 5 dif Ipods. My main on was a 4gen 20G Ipod that I took everywhere with me. I ebayed it last week in order to get up enough money for the Touch.
 
Here's some more info on the Zune 2 and the Marketplace:

One of the latest feature for Zune owners will be launching in November 2007.
It will be called 'Zune Social' and will be a beta online community Web site that gives people a place to share their music tastes, knowledge and experiences with others. Powered by the music the community is listening to, Zune Social extends the connection between Zune customers from device-to-device to PC-to-PC.

• You will be able to Create your own musical identity. Dynamic online Zune Cards automatically reflect your musical preferences based on the music you play on your device or your PC through the Zune software. Personalize your Zune Card with your own picture, custom backgrounds, biographical information and more.
• Also, Develop your music discovery network. Invite friends, send and receive song recommendations, and post comments as you develop your Zune profile page. You can even post your Zune Card to today’s most popular social networking sites. Wherever your Zune Card is located, the content will update automatically based on the music you’re currently playing.
• See what others are listening to. Browse your friends’ Zune Cards and profile pages, or check out your favorite artists’ pages to find other listeners with similar musical tastes. Each artist and album page will rank the top listeners; it’s easy to click on their Zune Cards and see what they’re listening to.
• You are curious about a song? Try before you buy. When you find a new artist or song that looks interesting — while browsing the Zune community pages or when you receive a song recommendation from a friend — you can sample a 30-second clip. If you like what you hear, link directly to Zune Marketplace to buy the song using Microsoft® Points or a Zune Pass.
• More ways to discover. Check out Zune Social community-generated charts to see the most-played artists, songs and albums, or read comments and recommendations posted by other Zune community members on album and artist pages.

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Looks like some press disregarded Microsoft's request to halt all press releases until midnight tonight and decided to announce info on the new Zunes early (that's good for us!).
Silicon Alley Insider is announcing on their site details about today's shrouded event unvailing Microsoft's next generation Zunes.
Some details they offer (which isn't much) are:
1. More elegant interface in the new Zunes
2. DRM free music available on Zune Marketplace
3. and....well that's it.
Seattle's KING5 is also reporting more details now...
4. the 80Gb model is slimmer and sports a 3.2 inch screen
5. Wi-fi is expanded to sync music, video, and photos wirelessly directly from the user's computer.
6. The Squircle is officially called the 'Zune pad'
Zunerama is also reporting in:
7. every Zune including the existing 30gb model will offer wireless sync
8. All Zunes will also be able to play back TV content recored using windows vista media center.
9. Zune Social, an on line community site which will be coming in beta this fall.
10. Zune Marketplace redesigned to make it easier for people to find what they want. MP will now offer more than 3 million tracks, thousands of music videos and free audio and video podcasts.
BetaNews adds:
11. For the first time, Zune Marketplace will rival iTunes in a big way, offering over 3 million tracks in mp3 format.
12. Still no word on movie content...:frowns:
The Hollywood Reporter says:
13. 3x3 rule will be no more
14. Games, TV shows, and Movies are in the works!
http://www.zuneboards.com/content/view/122/1/
 
This is a truly awesome update. Looks like Microsoft learned a little from the first gen. I'm a podcast fanatic and hopefully Microsoft did some good things with that feature.

I can't wait to see the firmware update.

Although I really agree with what zunecorps said...

I don’t know about you guys, but I could hear the “huh” reverberating throughout the Zune community when word started getting out that the Zune 2 would be launching today. My first thought was “Why aren’t they telling the Zune community about the Zune?”, and it seems I wasn’t alone as I’ve been in touch with a lot of people sharing the same sentiment, and a few who have even contacted me wondering this very question.

Why would Microsoft fly out every magazine or author who is able to get ink on glossy paper to Redmond for a press conference, yet turn a cold shoulder to the community that has kept with the product through the long months without any promised updates, Podcast support, or real news? Instead of getting a sneak peak at something as trivial as the new headphones to help us through the hard month of friends brandishing Ipod Classics, and new Nano’s in our faces, we got tour dates for Zune sponsored concerts…

There’s something fundamentally wrong when 17 Magazine knows more about the Zune than the hardcore fans that drive the product, and were the reason there even is a version 2, and I think that Microsoft should understand that.
Microsoft, if you want loyal fans, if you want a true community around a product,, please don’t ever leave us hanging for so long again. You’re not Apple, get with it and realize everyone knows what you’re doing – so next time weigh whatever benefit you get from being so secretive to all the fans who questioned sticking with the and to all those you lost.
-Charlie
http://zunecorps.com/?p=611

I'm no hardcore fan of the Zune, but I do enjoy my zune and I hope that Microsoft really fixes the zune.
 
Its official...coming this November:

Microsoft unveils Zune Social, new Zune devices, innovative Zune software and redesigned Zune Marketplace — all geared toward discovering and sharing new music.

SEATTLE — Oct. 2, 2007 — Underscoring the company’s vision for helping to advance the digital entertainment industry and deliver great music experiences to its customers, Microsoft Corp. Chairman Bill Gates and Corporate Vice President J Allard yesterday unveiled the next generation of Zune® portable media players, software and online store. Gates and Allard also introduced Zune Social, a beta online community Web site built around and powered by people’s passion for music.

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The two new models of Zune portable media players feature the new Zune Pad, an innovative touch-sensitive button for navigating on the device, as well as wireless sync, a feature that allows Zune devices to automatically sync over the device owner’s home wireless network when it is connected to an AC adaptor, in a dock or speaker dock accessory. Existing Zune owners will automatically receive new software features, the redesigned PC and device software and access to the new Zune Marketplace when everything is released to the public in mid-November.

“Twenty years ago we bet the company on an integrated productivity suite of word processing, spreadsheets and presentations, and we changed the way people work,” Gates said. “Today we’re making big bets on games, music, video and connecting these entertainment experiences to help change the way people play.”

“By tapping into customers’ passion for music with Zune Social, we’re starting to change the game,” Allard said. “This lets us start building a new, more valuable kind of relationship with consumers that, combined with other Zune innovations, will start to drive the entire music industry forward.”


“The time is right to let go of the older business models and recognize that consumers want something different when it comes to music today,” said Terry McBride, CEO of Nettwerk Music Group. “People are looking for simple ways to find great music and easily take it with them wherever they want to go, and Microsoft is not afraid of doing things differently to deliver on this vision.”


Two New Zune Devices Fill Out the Family

Microsoft announced three new models of Zune portable digital media players: a sleek, black Zune 80GB hard-drive model, which has a bright 3.2-inch screen and comes with premium headphones (ERP $249.99; all prices are U.S.); the ultraportable Zune 4GB (ERP $149.99); and Zune 8GB (ERP $199.99) flash models, both available in pink, green, black and glossy red. The new Zune devices feature the Zune Pad navigation button, with its touch-sensitive surface. Consumers can flick their thumbs over the pad to fly through lists of songs or albums or to fast-forward through picture slide shows or videos. For those who need to pause, advance or adjust the volume on the device without looking, they can also navigate the Zune Pad using physical cues by pressing on the four sides or the center of the button to adjust the volume or choose the next track.

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Together with the original Zune 30GB, the new devices round out the player family and lets users choose the size, color or price that suits them best. Every Zune device includes built-in wireless features and an FM tuner, and they all have a bright color display that is perfect for showing off album art, pictures, videos and podcasts. All devices have been given distinctive new menus, and it is easy to customize the background screen with a personal picture. Ensuring that existing Zune owners benefit from the advances in this release, all Zune 30GB devices will be automatically updated with all the new features as well as the new device software design this fall.

New features for fall include the following:
  • Wireless sync Zune devices will automatically sync over consumers’ home wireless networks with this helpful new feature, aimed at ensuring that Zune owners always have the latest podcasts and other content ready to go when they‘re leaving home. Syncing with the collection on their PC happens via a home wireless network and will start on its own when the device is placed in its dock or plugged in to charge. Alternatively, the sync can be started manually.
  • Extended wireless sharing Share select full-length songs, albums, playlists, pictures and even audio podcasts from device to device. Consumers can now listen to any song received up to three times with no time restrictions, and they can now also pass along songs to other friends who have a Zune.
  • Recorded television content to go The Zune software will now automatically import broadcast content recorded on Microsoft® Windows® Media Center for Windows Vista® Home Premium or Ultimate, so consumers can sync them onto their Zune media player and watch them on the bus, in their car or wherever they want when they’re out and about.
Connecting People Through Music

Launching first in beta, Zune Social, a beta online community Web site, gives people a place to share their music tastes, knowledge and experiences with others. Anyone can create a free, customizable Zune Card that automatically updates to reflect the music they are listening to on their Zune or with Zune software on their computer. The Zune Card shows most recently played tracks and highlights that person’s all-time music favorites. Other members of Zune Social can play samples of the songs a user has been playing directly from a friend’s Zune Card or link to Zune Marketplace, where they can buy or download the music. In a nod to the inherently social nature of music, Zune Social will eventually enable its members to place the Zune Card on today’s most popular social networking sites, where it will continue to update automatically and show off what its owners are listening to.

In addition to creating a friends list, members of Zune Social can send song links and messages to each other, post comments on a friend’s profile page or on their favorite artist pages. They can discover new music by seeing what their friends are listening to, receiving recommendations from others in the community or by seeing what the top fans of artists they’re interested in are listening to. Each artist page will list the Zune Cards of the people who listen to that artist the most, making it easy for other Zune Social members to browse their recent playlists and discover new content they can sample, purchase or download with a Zune Pass.


Zune Marketplace and Software: Easier Than Ever to Discover New Music

The Zune Marketplace online store has been restocked and redesigned to make it even easier for people to find what they are looking for. The Zune software has also been completely redesigned with a new look and feel and lots of helpful new features. In addition to offering more than 3 million songs, the updated version of Zune Marketplace will launch with thousands of music videos for sale and over 1,000 of the top audio and video podcasts available for free. Consumers will also be able to choose from a selection of more than 1 million digital rights management (DRM)-free MP3s, which can be played with Zune or any other digital media player. A new, streamlined and highly visual layout makes it fun and easy to browse through the store, and a new integrated search feature gives consumers one view across the music, music videos and podcasts categories. By typing in an artist’s name or genre, users will see all relevant content that is either already in their collection or available in Zune Marketplace.

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To let music fans try new music, Zune Marketplace continues to offer Zune Pass, which lets consumers download as much music as they want for a flat monthly rate of $14.99. To inspire Zune Pass subscribers, Zune Marketplace genre editors offer a range of playlists and promote new albums each week. Consumers can also choose to purchase music and music videos individually using Microsoft Points.


New Accessories Work Across the Product Line

Zune will also be offering a new line of accessories to help consumers get the most from their Zune content wherever they are — at home, in the car or on the go. To make it easy and affordable for existing Zune customers, original Zune accessories will work on new Zune devices and new accessories will also work with the Zune 30GB device. In addition to a selection of accessories from partners, eight new accessory options are available from Zune this fall:
  • Zune Home AV Pack. Home Dock with three faceplates to accommodate each Zune device, wireless remote, AC adaptor and composite AV output cable (ERP $99.99)
  • Zune Dock Pack. Home Dock with three faceplates to accommodate each Zune device and AC adapter (ERP $49.99)
  • Zune Car Pack. Redesigned FM transmitter/charger and dashboard grip pad (ERP $79.99)
  • Zune Cable Pack. Sync cable, composite AV output cable and audio cable (ERP $39.99)
  • Zune Premium Headphones (ERP $39.99)
  • Zune Leather Case (ERP $49.99)
  • Zune Sync Cable (ERP $19.99)
  • Zune AC Adapter (ERP $29.99)
http://news.teamxbox.com/xbox/14706/Microsoft-Announces-New-Zune-Line-Up/
http://www.zune.net/en-us/meetzune/holiday2007.htm
 
Lets see how this plays out. I am a fairly new zune owner. had it a month and half now. So far so good but the battery life stinks! Hopefully the new ones improve on that!
 
Oh, nice to see the new Zune's officially announced with info. The 4GB one seems ideal for me, but I don't think it has video capabilities, right? I guess it matters if the original Zune drops even more, because no matter how new the flash ones are, 30GB is better than 4 or 8 GB, for around the same price. Guess I'll decide next month.
 
[quote name='msuna']Lets see how this plays out. I am a fairly new zune owner. had it a month and half now. So far so good but the battery life stinks! Hopefully the new ones improve on that![/quote] If you want more batterytime just turn your WiFi off.
 
[quote name='mrcheapo11']Oh, nice to see the new Zune's officially announced with info. The 4GB one seems ideal for me, but I don't think it has video capabilities, right? I guess it matters if the original Zune drops even more, because no matter how new the flash ones are, 30GB is better than 4 or 8 GB, for around the same price. Guess I'll decide next month.[/quote]

The Pictures of the 4 and 8 gig models show a "Videos" option in the menu...so yeah im pretty sure that it works video as well. Only thing i dont understand is the price, Theyre selling the smaller version for the same price as the original 30 gig Bigger version?...doesnt make sense! Why buy small if you can get more for the same price!, they should at least drop the price on the smaller flash zunes. That "Squircle" aint no damn revolution.
 
[quote name='joe2187']The Pictures of the 4 and 8 gig models show a "Videos" option in the menu...so yeah im pretty sure that it works video as well. Only thing i dont understand is the price, Theyre selling the smaller version for the same price as the original 30 gig Bigger version?...doesnt make sense! Why buy small if you can get more for the same price!, they should at least drop the price on the smaller flash zunes. That "Squircle" aint no damn revolution.[/quote]Flash memory is more expensive and much more stable than a harddrive.
 
[quote name='LinkinPrime']Its a refurb.[/QUOTE]

True but it's a refurb from Microsoft. Meaning full warranty, all original packaging and accessories. So I fully expect it to appear as new.
 
=/ I was hoping they had a larger Flash model, like 16 GB. After 2 broken iPods, I've grown weary of HD based players. Or I've grown tired of Apple, either way.
 
[quote name='A Happy Panda']=/ I was hoping they had a larger Flash model, like 16 GB. After 2 broken iPods, I've grown weary of HD based players. Or I've grown tired of Apple, either way.[/QUOTE]

Steve Jobs has been quoted saying he expects Ipods to be disposable. Your suppose to buy a new one every 2 years.

Ah, the joys of Apple.
 
[quote name='thrustbucket']Steve Jobs has been quoted saying he expects Ipods to be disposable. Your suppose to buy a new one every 2 years.

Ah, the joys of Apple.[/QUOTE]

WTF? Please find me that quote so I can fucking hate him even more. No wonder my friend always says that shit to me. He'd suck Steve Jobs off if he ever had the chance. He always said, "Two years is a pretty good life span for an iPod" I just look at him in awe and shake my head. All that shit Apple has pounded into him has seriously made him blind.

One time I booted up my laptop, and he heard the Windows start up sound, and he went "God I hate that noise" And he actually meant it, no with sarcasm, but with the most arrogant and pompous intentions.
 
[quote name='thrustbucket']Steve Jobs has been quoted saying he expects Ipods to be disposable. Your suppose to buy a new one every 2 years.

Ah, the joys of Apple.[/QUOTE]
Quit with the bullshit. Unless you come up with a reliable source with that quote, please shut the fuck up.
 
[quote name='torifile']Quit with the bullshit. Unless you come up with a reliable source with that quote, please shut the fuck up.[/QUOTE]
I have to disagree with you. I remember reading an article where he said that
 
[quote name='anomynous']I have to disagree with you. I remember reading an article where he said that[/QUOTE]
Find it or it didn't happen.
 
[quote name='A Happy Panda']WTF? Please find me that quote so I can fucking hate him even more. No wonder my friend always says that shit to me. He'd suck Steve Jobs off if he ever had the chance. He always said, "Two years is a pretty good life span for an iPod" I just look at him in awe and shake my head. All that shit Apple has pounded into him has seriously made him blind.[/quote]
I actually can't find the quote, a guy at work was talking about it today and I should have asked for reference. I apologize for passing along hearsay, but a few google searches on ipod reliability and lifespan will show that you aren't alone.

One time I booted up my laptop, and he heard the Windows start up sound, and he went "God I hate that noise" And he actually meant it, no with sarcasm, but with the most arrogant and pompous intentions.

Yeah, welcome to the Apple fan. That's how most of them are. You will never meet a bigger bunch of pretentious bitches in your life. Or, if you meet a snobby rich prick, you can pretty much bet he is a big Apple fanboy.

Apple fans tend to be really painful to deal with. Just look at the poster above this one....
 
I never remember reading it, but I hear of too many stories of the things breaking after at least a year. that's still the #1 reason why I prefer getting a zune whenever I decide to pick one up.
 
[quote name='thrustbucket']I actually can't find the quote, a guy at work was talking about it today and I should have asked for reference. I apologize for passing along hearsay, but a few google searches on ipod reliability and lifespan will show that you aren't alone.



Yeah, welcome to the Apple fan. That's how most of them are. You will never meet a bigger bunch of pretentious bitches in your life. Or, if you meet a snobby rich prick, you can pretty much bet he is a big Apple fanboy.

Apple fans tend to be really painful to deal with. Just look at the poster above this one....[/QUOTE]
Oh give me a fucking break. I'm calling you on your bullshit. If you're going to make a claim like that one, you'd better have some real info to back it up. I'm a Mac user, yes, but I'm also a Windows user and an Xbox owner. Find a link or STFU. I'll call you on it every time. Apple related or not.
 
[quote name='torifile']Oh give me a fucking break. I'm calling you on your bullshit. If you're going to make a claim like that one, you'd better have some real info to back it up. I'm a Mac user, yes, but I'm also a Windows user and an Xbox owner. Find a link or STFU. I'll call you on it every time. Apple related or not.[/QUOTE]

Sandy vagina much?

Here's a link in which Jobs states "If you always want the latest and greatest, then you have to buy a new iPod at least once a year"
http://www.engadget.com/2006/05/26/jobs-you-have-to-buy-a-new-ipod-at-least-once-a-year/
 
[quote name='torifile']Oh give me a fucking break. I'm calling you on your bullshit. If you're going to make a claim like that one, you'd better have some real info to back it up. I'm a Mac user, yes, but I'm also a Windows user and an Xbox owner. Find a link or STFU. I'll call you on it every time. Apple related or not.[/QUOTE]


Perhaps you have trouble reading, being a mac user and all, but I did say why I didn't have the quote. I actually just talked to the guy who told me the quote, and he is emailing his father, who told it to him, to get the source. So it won't hurt my feelings if you want to call bullshit on me, because I admit it could be for now. But it doesn't change the fact that ipods have a failure rate similar to the 360.

Go ahead and keep writing posts about how full of shit I am if it excites you, in the meantime I'll see if the guy comes up with the quote...

For those of you in better moods though, that deal on the zune is still going and it is still a hot deal.
 
[quote name='thrustbucket']Perhaps you have trouble reading, being a mac user and all, but I did say why I didn't have the quote. I actually just talked to the guy who told me the quote, and he is emailing his father, who told it to him, to get the source. So it won't hurt my feelings if you want to call bullshit on me, because I admit it could be for now. But it doesn't change the fact that ipods have a failure rate similar to the 360.

Go ahead and keep writing posts about how full of shit I am if it excites you, in the meantime I'll see if the guy comes up with the quote...

For those of you in better moods though, that deal on the zune is still going and it is still a hot deal.[/QUOTE]
So because you "heard" it, you're absolved of providing any real evidence? Sure.

And you're even more full of shit for that last statement. Failure rate of 33%? Link? (And nothing gets me off more than pointing out how fucking stupid some people are. I'm creaming my pants as I type this... You're so fucking stupid you're going to fuel my fantasies for a year.)

Back to the topic of the thread - the Zune at this price is not a bad deal. The Zune1 at the $99 woot.com was offering it was a great deal. I don't hate needlessly but I'm not the one who brought up the iPod here.
 
[quote name='CocheseUGA']Sandy vagina much?

Here's a link in which Jobs states "If you always want the latest and greatest, then you have to buy a new iPod at least once a year"
http://www.engadget.com/2006/05/26/jobs-you-have-to-buy-a-new-ipod-at-least-once-a-year/[/QUOTE]
No way! Technology changes! Who knew? Buying an iPod when it's updated will get you a newer model. Shit. That's some awesome Apple sauce. How do they do it??!??!
 
[quote name='torifile']So because you "heard" it, you're absolved of providing any real evidence? Sure.

And you're even more full of shit for that last statement. Failure rate of 33%? Link? (And nothing gets me off more than pointing out how fucking stupid some people are. I'm creaming my pants as I type this... You're so fucking stupid you're going to fuel my fantasies for a year.)

Back to the topic of the thread - the Zune at this price is not a bad deal. The Zune1 at the $99 woot.com was offering it was a great deal. I don't hate needlessly but I'm not the one who brought up the iPod here.[/QUOTE]

Congratulations. You've now demonstrated to the entire board what a whiny, petulant child you are. I really do hope that was your intention, because you've succeeded admirably. Everyone here is dumber for having read it. Must be a sad little existence for looking for inaccuracies to point out on a message board at 4AM in the fucking morning. Bravo.

Now, go police Wikipedia since it's obvious you have nothing better to do.
 
[quote name='CocheseUGA']Congratulations. You've now demonstrated to the entire board what a whiny, petulant child you are. I really do hope that was your intention, because you've succeeded admirably. Everyone here is dumber for having read it. Must be a sad little existence for looking for inaccuracies to point out on a message board at 4AM in the fucking morning. Bravo.

Now, go police Wikipedia since it's obvious you have nothing better to do.[/QUOTE]
So you concede your post and others bashing the iPod were inaccurate? My job is done, then.

Please quit spreading FUD about things that have some modicum of success and make you feel inferior. Don't make personal attacks in the process and we'll all be better for it.

And that must have been one powerful post if it made YOU dumber. I had no idea I had that much ability. It's a wonder you were able to type out your reply at all.
 
[quote name='torifile']So you concede your post and others bashing the iPod were inaccurate? My job is done, then.
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I made no such posts. Reading comprehension is an acquired skill. So, guess it's time to go back to work.

The older iPods were/are delicate. This is a fact. There is no debate about it. One drop - poof. Once the switch to flash was made, reliability became improved. They still aren't the best for someone with an active lifestyle - you're much better suited with a Sansa for overall use if you workout.

I don't have an issue with iPods. I own one, and it's been great. No problems with mine, but I understand I treat mine better than most people. My issue is with you, who has nothing better to do than to troll up threads. The quote may be wrong, people may have misspoken. Fine. Ask for clarification and move on. You've become the asshole with your tone and your attitude. And if you can't understand that, you're not going to get a lot of people replying to what you post. Stop being such a douchebag.

Don't make personal attacks in the process and we'll all be better for it.

So, don't do this?

And nothing gets me off more than pointing out how ing stupid some people are. I'm creaming my pants as I type this... You're so ing stupid you're going to fuel my fantasies for a year
 
[quote name='CocheseUGA']I made no such posts. Reading comprehension is an acquired skill. So, guess it's time to go back to work.

The older iPods were/are delicate. This is a fact. There is no debate about it. One drop - poof. Once the switch to flash was made, reliability became improved. They still aren't the best for someone with an active lifestyle - you're much better suited with a Sansa for overall use if you workout.
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Bullshit. I dropped one of my 1st gen iPods on the concrete from about 3 feet up. It didn't stop working. Care to provide a link to this indisputable assertion?
I don't have an issue with iPods. I own one, and it's been great. No problems with mine, but I understand I treat mine better than most people. My issue is with you, who has nothing better to do than to troll up threads. The quote may be wrong, people may have misspoken. Fine. Ask for clarification and move on. You've become the asshole with your tone and your attitude. And if you can't understand that, you're not going to get a lot of people replying to what you post. Stop being such a douchebag.



So, don't do this?
I *did* ask for clarification. Someone posts something inflammatory and I responded. In my mind, he was the one trolling, not me. I didn't do anything but respond to attacks - on me and on the iPod.

The point remains, the "information" provided here, vis a vis iPod reliability, is completely false and/or anecdotal. I've owned every generation of iPods except the most current, from the first 5 gig to the last generation and I haven't had a single one stop working. In fact, I've STILL got a working 1st gen iPod, so for every personal anecdote you can come up with, I've got one.

But your only personal experience with the iPod has been good, so you haven't even got *that*, yet you still bash them on reliability. In other words, there is no legitimate argument being made against the iPod's reliability, just baseless attacks.

Keep in mind that when you hear of an iPod dying, there are over 100 million of them out there. There are going to be some die. But no where near the 33 million that would be dead if thrustbucket's "fact" were actually true.

But since this thread is about the Zune, I'll just leave it there unless someone either attacks the iPod again without providing a relevant source or someone actually provides a link to one of the previous claims.

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So, don't do this?

Quote:
And nothing gets me off more than pointing out how ing stupid some people are. I'm creaming my pants as I type this... You're so ing stupid you're going to fuel my fantasies for a year.
Yes, that was a little over the top.
 
[quote name='torifile']Bullshit. I dropped one of my 1st gen iPods on the concrete from about 3 feet up. It didn't stop working. Care to provide a link to this indisputable assertion?[/QUOTE]


Why does everything someone says that you don't like have to be filed, categorized and reported, but when it's something you assert, it's ok? Show me reported facts that 99% of all iPods are always fine?

You don't drop hard drives. Period. All of my years of working with computers (going on 25, if you'd like to know) tells me that if you drop a hard drive, even with casing and padding, if it works afterwards, count your blessings. True, technology has advanced in this time, but as a medium, it's still susceptable to damage. It may still work today, it may still work next week. But, just like head injuries, the damage is most telling on a compounded basis. Twenty-five years of personal experience tell me this.

Your iPod didn't stop working when you dropped it. Most likely, it wasn't spinning. Apple themselves have said the failure rate is under 5% for all iPods. That's on the high end of industry expectations, but no where near what people have estimated for the 360. However, even with 5%, as of April of this year, there have been over 100 million sold to date. So while the percentage is acceptable, that's still 5 million iPods that fail. Apple is a victim of it's own success in that regard. As for my anecdotal evidence, I've had lots of friends who owned lots of iPods. Some have broken. I'd wager that the failure rate among my friends is closer to 10% than 5%, but I'm dealing with a much smaller population when looking at my statistics. And I'm sure this is the case with others who post their horror stories about anything breaking on them. And after hard drives were replaced, the Nano LCDs were the problem. You have some noted problems with each generation, but they are pushing the envelope with each new release. You appreciate the advancement, but you have to expect failures in design or implementation at each step.

I think what we're really getting at here is the Apple v Microsoft thing. Apple users have notoriously thin skin when it comes to discussing anything Microsoft, and it's showing here in this thread.

What should have been a two or three post side-discussion over perceived reliability of a competitor, and a misconstrued quote has devolved into a fanboy pissing thread where people can't let arguements from 30 fucking years ago can't let shit lie. And don't try to pretend that is has nothing to do with it, this has all the classic signs of 'PC Envy' that we all had to deal with 20 years ago. Like I said, I've been working with those machines and these people for 25 years. I have some fond memories of my Apple IIc and love my Mini, but shit gets old after a couple of decades, ok?

If you want to know where I got my info, Google works just as well for you, too. If I had to waste my time responding to stupid shit, you get to waste a little too.
 
Why does everything someone says that you don't like have to be filed, categorized and reported, but when it's something you assert, it's ok? Show me reported facts that 99% of all iPods are always fine
Because the proposition was that iPods are unreliable the onus is the the person who proposed it. And you'll be hard-pressed to find non-failure rates anywhere.

Believe me, I follow Apple very closely, not just because I like Apple products (I'm hardly a fanboy though - I've been critical of Apple's decisions about quite a few things over the years. Not on this forum, but on others like applenova.com) but because I own quite a few shared of AAPL and I know of the various rev. a problems their devices have. These are almost always corrected within a couple of months and everything is fine after that.

Apple users have notoriously thin skin when it comes to discussing anything Microsoft, and it's showing here in this thread.
Not true. I have a thin skin when it comes to people bashing Apple, not when discussing MS. In case you missed it, I've actually got a 360 and I use Windows, too.
If you want to know where I got my info, Google works just as well for you, too. If I had to waste my time responding to stupid shit, you get to waste a little too.
So you want me to search for proof of YOUR claims? Why the hell would I do that? I'm not doing to do a "NOT iPod are unreliable" on google. That would be quite a fruitless search.
 
Every stat that I've posted (and claimed as such) is easily found via an internet search of your choice.

As someone who owns stock in a particular company, you aren't exactly the voice of an unbiased person.

As it is, it doesn't matter. You're not going to be able to tell someone that their personal experiences with a product are wrong just because they don't hold the majority position.

That said, I'm done with the conversation. If I could get a Zune today, I would. It would be worth trying it just to get iTunes and Quicktime off of my computer. The ZuneService program isn't that great, but if I have to use it for my 360, I'd kick the other to the curb. I'll install it on another computer for my wife's shuffle, but it needs to not be on here.
 
[quote name='thrustbucket']Get your black Zune on for $99. Limited quantities.

Got 2 myself.[/quote]

I got one. This looks like a helluvadeal. I'm going to read back over this thread for info about download services with video it works with and DVD compression info. If anyone has links, Theyd be appreciated!

$99 Zune>$250 iPod
 
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