Naughty Dog - Racist Company?

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Until it starts making Crash spew nigger from his mouth while force-feeding dark-furred bandicoots fried chicken, I don't think there's too much to worry about.
 
Man im so tired of everyone taking everyfucking thing as racist. SHUT THE fuck UP and stop being such a bitch.
 
The title is "Naughty Dog favors the U.S. over the rest of the world" (or literally "gives priority to the U.S. over the rest of the world"


This is about the demo being released in the U.S. first OP. not racism :roll: It's nationalism, that's different ;)
 
[quote name='The Crotch']You obviously know exactly what is going on and/or can read Spanish. Please, explain to me just what is going on.[/quote]

Tengo un gatto en mes panatlones. Thats the extent of my spanish and yeah, but im seriously tired of people taking everything little thing so offensively nowdays. People need to grow a spine.
 
Because the United States is totally a race.

Unless my Spanish is so bad I missed the part in that newsbit where they mention racism, I'm going to go with the OP being the only person to bring up anything about racism, and make the declarative statement that the OP is an idiot.
 
[quote name='Apossum']

This is about the demo being released in the U.S. first OP. not racism :roll: It's nationalism, that's different ;)[/quote]

From the post I read it from originally, it included stuff about ND being racist. Maybe it's been removed. I don't honestly know.
 
[quote name='Nephlabobo']From the post I read it from originally, it included stuff about ND being racist. Maybe it's been removed. I don't honestly know.[/QUOTE]
Well then link to that.
 
[quote name='Nephlabobo']From the post I read it from originally, it included stuff about ND being racist. Maybe it's been removed. I don't honestly know.[/QUOTE]


In the comments, if my shitty spanish is to be trusted, it says the OP removed some "errors." That's probably what happened...

anyway, complete non-story. I guess spanish slashdot is not as well-moderated :lol:
 
Yes, because a American company develops a game first in English and then has it localized for the other countries which allows them to release the game first in America and not the rest of the world clearly makes them racist. :roll:

I think Squaresoft and Konami are racist for releasing games first in Japan before America.
 
games were damn racist in the 80s but now cmon already. first re 5 because theyre killing zombified africans now this shit? videogames are the one medium where you dont get this kind of crap in your face all the time you get heros and villans of all sexes, races and even sexual preferences. yeah there is racism out there btu fuckin dont go looking for it where it dont exist.
 
[quote name='H.Cornerstone']Yes, because a American company develops a game first in English and then has it localized for the other countries which allows them to release the game first in America and not the rest of the world clearly makes them racist. :roll:

I think Squaresoft and Konami are racist for releasing games first in Japan before America.[/quote]

MGS 3 was out in North America before Japan.
 
[quote name='lokizz']games were damn racist in the 80s but now cmon already.[/quote]

I do own a copy of Color Dreams' "Little Black Sambo" for the NES. I think it's a palette swap of Nemo the Dream Master.

first re 5 because theyre killing zombified africans
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Haitians. Racist.

now this shit?
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Indeed. It's like racism never went away, isn't it?

videogames are the one medium where you dont get this kind of crap in your face all the time
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Yes. There are equal proportions of racial, ethnic, and gender protagonists in games, no? It's not in your face only if you're obliviously ethnocentric.

you get heros and villans of all sexes, races and even sexual preferences.
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Listen here, rainbow coalition. Give me five examples of black protagonists, female protagonists, latino protagonists, and gay/lesbian protagonists. Without resorting to artificially diversified fighting games, sequels (Lara Croft only counts once), or games where you can create your characters.

yeah there is racism out there btu fuckin dont go looking for it where it dont exist.
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Yeah. I mean, there's racist stuff out there like BET...but wouldn't people shit a brick if there was a White Network???? AMIRITE???

:roll:
 
[quote name='Nephlabobo']MGS 3 was out in North America before Japan.[/quote]

MGS2 was as well (to reward U.S. gamers because MGS1 sold better in NA than in Japan).
 
[quote name='mykevermin']female protagonists[/quote]

Probably shouldn't of included that in there. Not terribly difficult to name five main female protagonists.
 
From what I understand, 'other countries are mad that the U.S. got the Drake demo first. 200 people have already criticized this move on the Playstation blog.'

If that's the case- then the Japanese are some of the most bigoted people alive, for not bringing ALL their games to these shores.

Nothing really about race, so change the title, OP before Joystiq and Destructoid run with it.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']Listen here, rainbow coalition. Give me five examples of black protagonists, female protagonists, latino protagonists, and gay/lesbian protagonists. Without resorting to artificially diversified fighting games, sequels (Lara Croft only counts once), or games where you can create your characters.[/QUOTE]
Blacks:

CJ, Jade, Marcus Reed, Dead Shephard (main character in Men of Valour), John Dalton and Cole-Train (Unreal II and Gears), Tyler Miles (Indigo Prophecy)... shoot, you just wanted five. And all these characters are PLAYABLE, four of them being THE main character.

Female:

Laura Croft, Samus, Joanna Dark, Jill Valentine, Jade, and since I already mentioned Jade once in the Blacks list I'll throw in Ms. Pac-Man for good measure.

Latino:

Irena (R6:V), Joe Ramirez (GRAW2), Zoë Castillo, Isabella and Carlito from Dead Rising, Paul Rodriguez (Tony Hawk). The lack of Latino protaganists is prevalent across all entertainment mediums, yet I was able to come up with six off the top of my head.

Gays:

You don't even want to go here. There is a stronger LGBT precense in videogames than any other entertainment medium I can think of... unless you count gay porn as its own medium... and then videogames still give it a run for its money.

Fallout 2, Shadow Hearts (and Shadowhearts 2), Vamp from MGS, Tommy from Indigo Prophecy, the lesbian couple in KOTOR. The main character in Jade Empire you PLAY AS is gay (although being an RPG, that's left up to the player to decide). And if you want giant lists of gays in JRPGs and fighters, you can find homosexuality to your heart's content at gaygamer.com (though some only humorously speculated at).
 
[quote name='mykevermin']Quite true. But to suggest that they're as commonly found as males? Absurd.[/quote]

theres more of them today and in the past decade of gaming than there were in the 80s which was my point. no sugared cereal in the afternoon for you mister.
 
[quote name='PyroGamer']Blacks:

CJ, Jade, Marcus Reed, Dead Shephard (main character in Men of Valour), John Dalton and Cole-Train (Unreal II and Gears), Tyler Miles (Indigo Prophecy)... shoot, you just wanted five. Sorry 'bout that.

Female:

Laura Croft, Samus, Joanna Dark, Jill Valentine, Jade, and since I already mentioned Jade once in the Blacks list I'll throw in Ms. Pac-Man for good measure.

Latino:

Irena (R6:V), Joe Ramirez (GRAW2), Zoë Castillo, Isabella and Carlito from Dead Rising, Paul Rodriguez (Tony Hawk). The lack of Latino protaganists is prevalent across all entertainment mediums, yet I was able to come up with six off the top of my head.

Gays:

You don't even want to go here. There is a stronger LGBT precense in videogames than any other entertainment medium I can think of... unless you count gay porn as its own medium... and then videogames still give it a run for its money.

Fallout 2, Shadow Hearts (and Shadowhearts 2), Vamp from MGS, Tommy from Indigo Prophecy, the lesbian couple in KOTOR. The main character in Jade Empire you PLAY AS is gay (although being an RPG, that's left up to the player to decide). And if you want giant lists of gays in JRPGs and fighters, you can find homosexuality to your heart's content at gaygamer.com (though some only humorously speculated at).[/quote]


damn mykevermin i think you just got served by pyro gamer. props for doing that work man i knew that there was more diversity in gaming nowdays than there used to be. and im not countign sports games in any of this shit. and yeah women characters still have ricidulous boobies and it sucks that certain groups of people still get cast in the same role types but games have come a long way.

i dont think that there isnt still work to be done in some areas of the gaming world but theyre further ahead than most. when i was a kid there werent too many black characters in gaming i could relate to now theres plenty and though some still are stereotypes theres plenty that arent. but more than anything im at the point where its the one place where i dont care. i'll play as a female character, a mexican , an asian even a gay character as long as the story is good the game has tight controls and its fun......and reasonably priced.


oh yeah dont forget the lesbian lead in fear effect for the ps1. and the lead in dino crisis 1 and 2. and all the tough chicks in the resident evil series.

and im pretty sure raiden from mgs2 was gay.
 
Since this has gone so far off-topic, I wouldn't consider a playable character of whatever race as a viable option as a lead/main character. If the main story itself isn't about the person or they're basically not the games "cover person" they don't count.

Also, I think it's been discussed here before that Jade Raymond was not of any particular race, so if you saw her as black that was your opinion. She looked slightly Asian to me, black to you, anglo to someone else. Perfectly ambiguous.

Back to topic. This is the kind of stuff bloggers do, blow stuff out of proportion and since so many people just read the topic title while perusing the forums next time someone mentions Naughty Dog, they'll bring up the "fact" that they're "racist". Too late to change the opinions of those people because they'll never see the retraction.
 
[quote name='The Mana Knight']Naughty Dog isn't racists. I'm a minority myself and happened to meet Naughty Dog. They are an awesome group of people.[/quote]

Being a sony Fanboy doesn't count as being a minority. ;)

(just kidding)
 
You all are arguing about the wrong subject. The article is about how ND favors the U.S. Unfortunately, I know this may come as a shock, but American isn't a race.


So.....ARGUMENT ABOUT NATIONALISM ON CAG GO

*crickets*
 
[quote name='InuFaye']Man im so tired of everyone taking everyfucking thing as racist. SHUT THE fuck UP and stop being such a bitch.[/quote]
I find that offensive, good sir!

/easyjoke
 
[quote name='mykevermin']Listen here, rainbow coalition. Give me five examples of black protagonists, female protagonists, latino protagonists, and gay/lesbian protagonists. Without resorting to artificially diversified fighting games, sequels (Lara Croft only counts once), or games where you can create your characters.


:roll:[/quote]

Enchanted arms! sorry I couldn't help myself, I really enjoyed that game....me and 16 other people....and I thought it was cool that one of the main protagonists was a gay guy.however, not by any stretch, is there an even division amongst games over what race and sexuality the protagonist is. Saying there is is absurd and shows you don't play a whole lot of games. Not you Myke the guy you responded to ;)
 
[quote name='Redeema']Since this has gone so far off-topic, I wouldn't consider a playable character of whatever race as a viable option as a lead/main character. If the main story itself isn't about the person or they're basically not the games "cover person" they don't count.

Also, I think it's been discussed here before that Jade Raymond was not of any particular race, so if you saw her as black that was your opinion. She looked slightly Asian to me, black to you, anglo to someone else. Perfectly ambiguous.

Back to topic. This is the kind of stuff bloggers do, blow stuff out of proportion and since so many people just read the topic title while perusing the forums next time someone mentions Naughty Dog, they'll bring up the "fact" that they're "racist". Too late to change the opinions of those people because they'll never see the retraction.[/QUOTE]

This would have been my response to the post I was "owned" on. Pyro makes some good points about main characters and supporting characters, IMO. It's good to see that any argument about zero diversity in games is so easily broken apart...but I still believe that the white, straight, male main character is vastly overrepresented.

Is Jade Raymond the main character from Jade Empire? How do we know she's categorically 'black'?

Straight or gay is an interesting divide premised upon heteronormativity, of course. We can't assume that every character whose sexuality is not touched upon is straight. Master Chief may very well be gay; likewise, does anything in Gears of War suggest that Fenix is straight? So it's not such a clear divide, of course.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']This would have been my response to the post I was "owned" on. Pyro makes some good points about main characters and supporting characters, IMO. It's good to see that any argument about zero diversity in games is so easily broken apart...but I still believe that the white, straight, male main character is vastly overrepresented.

Is Jade Raymond the main character from Jade Empire? How do we know she's categorically 'black'?

Straight or gay is an interesting divide premised upon heteronormativity, of course. We can't assume that every character whose sexuality is not touched upon is straight. Master Chief may very well be gay; likewise, does anything in Gears of War suggest that Fenix is straight? So it's not such a clear divide, of course.[/quote]


youre right though about the overrepresentation thing but its not as bad as it has been. 10 or more years back would there ever have been a cj? minority and female lead characters were extra editions, throwbacks now we have whole games where theyre the lead character. maybe it has to do with game companies realizing all kinds of people are gamers now and with that its more about money than anything else but at least now game companies are willing to take a chance on a minority lead character.

and not just through allowing you to create your own character. me personally i wont be perfectly happy will a gta game has a female lead and id liek to see an asian lead in a gta game too. and yeah id like to see more native americans in games and not just for indian spiritual references.
 
[quote name='Apossum']The title is "Naughty Dog favors the U.S. over the rest of the world" (or literally "gives priority to the U.S. over the rest of the world"


This is about the demo being released in the U.S. first OP. not racism :roll: It's nationalism, that's different ;)[/QUOTE]
Oh, brother. :roll:
 
When I referred earlier to Jade, I assume that Pryo meant the character from Beyond Good & Evil, not Jade Empire. I may have gotten her name wrong, too, Jade Raymond is the developer from Ubisoft, not the characters name unless that's a coincidence and the two share a name.

Again, this is way off topic, but it at least has gotten a lot of people to stop talking about the OP in a derogatory fashion.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']Listen here, rainbow coalition. Give me five examples of black protagonists, female protagonists, latino protagonists, and gay/lesbian protagonists. Without resorting to artificially diversified fighting games, sequels (Lara Croft only counts once), or games where you can create your characters.[/quote]
Well there is that really sweet Nat Turner game coming out.
 
[quote name='Redeema']Since this has gone so far off-topic, I wouldn't consider a playable character of whatever race as a viable option as a lead/main character. If the main story itself isn't about the person or they're basically not the games "cover person" they don't count.[/quote]That's a riddiculously stupid place to draw the line. At least mykevermin wasn't stupid enough to draw it there. Hence my response which included a huge amount of both main characters and side characters.

Also, I think it's been discussed here before that Jade Raymond was not of any particular race, so if you saw her as black that was your opinion. She looked slightly Asian to me, black to you, anglo to someone else. Perfectly ambiguous.
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I hardly think Jade Raymond was the pivitol turning point of my post. If anything her racial ambiguity gives even more of a plus to videogame's claim at ethnic diversity than if she were just black.

Back to topic.
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The original topic sucked and has been talked about quite enough. For that matter so has this topic of gender/racial/sexual discrimination in videogames.

[quote name='mykevermin']I still believe that the white, straight, male main character is vastly overrepresented.[/quote]Compared to what medium?
 
[quote name='PyroGamer']Compared to what medium?[/QUOTE]

TV?
Er...okay, how about movies?

...few media, surely. I just meant in the grand scheme of the world in which we live. And before anyone puts words in my mouth, I'm not headed down a slippery slope in which even the Ainu deserve to be the main protagonist in a game...just merely pointing out the dominance of white males in games.

On that note, I'm going to go play Stranglehold and see if my friend finished my copy of Heavenly Sword. :lol:

EDIT: And touche, I suppose, on the point of Jade Raymond...I say I suppose b/c I still don't know if we're talking BG&E or Jade Empire. :lol:
 
For the Gay characters, one was Enchanted Arms. A few more:

Every [male] Final Fantasy lead character since 1997.

The chick from Fear Effect

Ms. Pac-Man

Some of my creatures from Magic Pengel that looked like genitalia

King of All the Cosmos

Big Gay Al in that south Park game for the PC

The Berserker from Gears of War that eats the Hammer of Dawn beam

Just to name a few.
 
Basically the article was about how ND region locked the PSN demo of Uncharted, and did not allow gamers from different countries who could access the US PSN to download the demo. People inherently thought it was racist, but it probably was just a misunderstanding.
 
[quote name='motuza']Basically the article was about how ND region locked the PSN demo of Uncharted, and did not allow gamers from different countries who could access the US PSN to download the demo. People inherently thought it was racist, but it probably was just a misunderstanding.[/QUOTE]


I tried relaying this twice and it didn't work, but I wish better luck to you :lol:

and if people really think that's "racist" then their opinion doesn't count anyway, 'cause I reckon we got more than one race here in the US of A.
 
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