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#2911 kurrptsenate   HAW-DOO-TEN! CAGiversary!   2682 Posts   Joined 8.8 Years Ago  

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Posted 22 February 2010 - 08:00 PM

that strat wont work well with a sl 35 unless he's using hyper mode. once the second one arrives, he'll get knocked off or killed by spells at least 8 times till he shuts his system off

#2912 Backlash   www.thecoverproject.net CAGiversary!   4791 Posts   Joined 10.8 Years Ago  

Posted 22 February 2010 - 08:17 PM

That's just a general strat. Not sure what a better way to do it is? Other than killing the first with a bow through the fog door. Is there a better strat for melee?

#2913 rothgar24   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   584 Posts   Joined 7.1 Years Ago  

Posted 22 February 2010 - 11:44 PM

When I fought him with my melee character, I did exactly what backlash said with the fire in the middle. I also had poison cloud which can drain him while you use the bowl of fire for defense.

I hate the maneater.

#2914 Supplice   Mmhmm CAGiversary!   1681 Posts   Joined 5.4 Years Ago  

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Posted 22 February 2010 - 11:54 PM

I usually go into hyper mode to take out the first one and then take my time with the second one. You can dodge his charge/pounce attack by rolling towards him.

#2915 evilw0n   Deals & Games CAGiversary!   1622 Posts   Joined 8.5 Years Ago  

Posted 23 February 2010 - 03:08 AM

I usually go into hyper mode to take out the first one and then take my time with the second one. You can dodge his charge/pounce attack by rolling towards him.


Why not just get a bow and shoot the first one down before you go through the fog? That's the easiest way to avoid dealing with 2 of them. 1 maneater = simple, 2 = pain in the .....

#2916 rothgar24   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   584 Posts   Joined 7.1 Years Ago  

Posted 23 February 2010 - 05:39 AM

I googled hyper mode but I'm still not sure what it entails. Is it just running your energy down to 30% and attacking with the rat's ring that boosts attack?

#2917 Koggit   almost sorry CAGiversary!   3886 Posts   Joined 11.4 Years Ago  

Posted 23 February 2010 - 06:56 AM

now, it means Clever Rat's Ring + Morion Blade (usually in off-hand, while two-handing something else) -- combined, they'll more than double your damage.

it used to be built into the game where any time anyone had low health they did extra damage (no items required), but it was patched (from what i understand, it was overpowered, as everyone stayed <30%).


IMO it's not really worth it now. it's an interesting strategy, particularly when coupled with the miracle Second Chance, but i find it better to keep your health up. you're very fragile at <30% hp, and dying often ends up wasting more time than the high damage saves.

#2918 Supplice   Mmhmm CAGiversary!   1681 Posts   Joined 5.4 Years Ago  

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Posted 23 February 2010 - 08:26 AM

Why not just get a bow and shoot the first one down before you go through the fog? That's the easiest way to avoid dealing with 2 of them. 1 maneater = simple, 2 = pain in the .....


Because with hyper mode, I can crush the first Man-Eater around 5 seconds as opposed to the 5 minute fog arrow method (unless you have a pure dex build). Here is a video of someone at Soul Level 1 using Hyper mode against Maneaters. I posted this before, but might as well again.



#2919 mang9432   Bad Baby 4 Life CAGiversary!   1293 Posts   Joined 8.5 Years Ago  

Posted 23 February 2010 - 12:43 PM

Had my first real experience with the multiplayer last night. Prior to this the only thing I had done was get invaded while I was stupidly sitting in the beginning of 2-2 in body form screwing around with my inventory and got backstabbed.

I had done multiple runs through 1-3 and 4-1 over the weekend without beating either boss, and since I knew both levels pretty well I decided to go help someone else out. In 1-4, I went Blue Phantom, and beat the boss with the dude. Revived, and summoned 2 Blue Phantoms. Halfway through got invaded. I stabbed him with my baby's nail, plauged him, and his health started dropping. He charged me and my Blue Phantom started wailing on him. I panicked cause I was on the narrow stairs leading up to where the 3 archers are across and just backed up with my shield up. Just as his health dropped to zero he got one last hit in after my guard broke and we both died at the same time. Went through as a blue phantom again, revived, summoned and got invaded again, kicked the Black Phantom's ass and beat the level. Had so much fun that I suicided in the nexus so I could run through 4-1 as a Blue Phantom before I summoned. Went pretty similarly, except that I didn't get invaded at all as the host on 4-1.

People put too much emphasis on the negatives of the online aspect of the game. Sure, when you are in body form, it's scary as hell to get invaded, but it really stacks the odds in your favor if you have a Blue Phantom or 2 rolling with you. Honestly I think that it probably wouldn't be as fun if you didn't have the possibility of getting invaded while you were running through with Blue Phantoms. It probably would almost feel too easy. I had a blast playing through those 2 levels last night, and can't wait to play more. I can see why people get addicted to this game.
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#2920 kurrptsenate   HAW-DOO-TEN! CAGiversary!   2682 Posts   Joined 8.8 Years Ago  

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Posted 23 February 2010 - 01:40 PM

I thought the multiplayer was the best part of this game, it was just missing chat options. sure, you could argue a human couldn't talk to a spirit, blah blah blah.....shut up

#2921 mang9432   Bad Baby 4 Life CAGiversary!   1293 Posts   Joined 8.5 Years Ago  

Posted 23 February 2010 - 05:23 PM

I thought the multiplayer was the best part of this game, it was just missing chat options. sure, you could argue a human couldn't talk to a spirit, blah blah blah.....shut up


yeah chat and friends list integration would have been great. damn japanese developers.
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#2922 rothgar24   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   584 Posts   Joined 7.1 Years Ago  

Posted 24 February 2010 - 05:21 AM

now, it means Clever Rat's Ring + Morion Blade (usually in off-hand, while two-handing something else) -- combined, they'll more than double your damage.


I think my summon help on 2.1 today was using this strategy with a bow. I didn't notice if the Morion blade was on her back, but she just ran around glowing with purposely low health. She just fucking cleared rooms with heavy bow attack damage, as I jogged along behind. Maybe she just had the ring on, but either way it was impressive.

P.S. For those first playthrough players looking to clear 4.1 now that the tendency has shifted back to neutral. Make sure you pick up the graverobber's ring. It will make dealing with invaders easier.

Edited by rothgar24, 24 February 2010 - 07:32 AM.


#2923 Saint Noir   CinemaScope CAGiversary!   2089 Posts   Joined 8.4 Years Ago  

Posted 24 February 2010 - 05:43 AM

I thought the multiplayer was the best part of this game, it was just missing chat options. sure, you could argue a human couldn't talk to a spirit, blah blah blah.....shut up


I think chat would have ruined it.

#2924 mang9432   Bad Baby 4 Life CAGiversary!   1293 Posts   Joined 8.5 Years Ago  

Posted 24 February 2010 - 12:04 PM

I think chat would have ruined it.


as long as there was a mute option i don't think it would have ruined it. I do agree that there is something nice about a silent player, when playing with randoms. If you are trying to play with a friend though, chat might be nice. I certainly don't think it's a big detriment to the game.
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#2925 Supplice   Mmhmm CAGiversary!   1681 Posts   Joined 5.4 Years Ago  

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Posted 24 February 2010 - 12:26 PM

dang i thought i was gunna get some help with the Maneater. :( anyone near soul level 35 minds helping me later tonight?

I think I have an SL 25 character that can help you out if still needed.

@MP Chat of the discussion.

I think chat would ruin it because as an invader, its great that the blues do not talk to the host. The fear and suspense is there once they receive the invasion message, and it would be further progressed once they receive the message that "the phantom so-so has been slain." With voip, that would ruin the atmosphere. During the times I do coop with my friends, its really not that big of a deal to have anyway.

#2926 Feeding the Abscess   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   2716 Posts   Joined 5.8 Years Ago   Has been playing Diablo III: Ultimate Evil Edition
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Posted 24 February 2010 - 03:03 PM

Had someone run me through 1-2 to kill that oversized butthole, then jumped over to the side of 1-1 and got the brushwood set. That plus the guillotine axe has really pushed me forward.

#2927 Backlash   www.thecoverproject.net CAGiversary!   4791 Posts   Joined 10.8 Years Ago  

Posted 24 February 2010 - 03:58 PM

I recently played through several levels in NG+ with someone while talking via Skype, and it is a TOTALLY different game. This game has so much atmosphere, and having chat while playing co-op totally removes that. I'm very glad I played through NG by myself (had help from a blue on one level only, and it was a stranger so no chat). That said, playing with a friend and chatting is also fun; it's just not Demon's Souls the way it was designed and meant to be played IMO.

Also, it definitely made dealing with invaders and setting up ambushes easier - you're right about that. :)

#2928 kurrptsenate   HAW-DOO-TEN! CAGiversary!   2682 Posts   Joined 8.8 Years Ago  

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Posted 24 February 2010 - 05:30 PM

my brother and I did some pretty epic ambush setups using google chat while playing. I had my brother hide down the alley at the beginning of 1-3 right where you kill all the red phantom NPCs. I stayed in the middle, awaiting the invader. as he approached, i circled clockwise as to expose his back to my brother who was waiting in the wings. Before he knew what was going on, he was gone lol

#2929 orbit18   Eater of Gum CAGiversary!   690 Posts   Joined 7.2 Years Ago  

Posted 25 February 2010 - 05:36 AM

How did you get hyper mode? What item did you use? I'm still stuck on him! Why did there have to be two?!?!


#2930 kurrptsenate   HAW-DOO-TEN! CAGiversary!   2682 Posts   Joined 8.8 Years Ago  

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Posted 25 February 2010 - 05:39 AM

hyper mode is when you use the one rat's ring and the morion blade that gives you a considerable damage boost when your health is below 30%.

you use something like makato or cursed weapon to lower your health. when its engaged you will see a rat icon in the top left of the screen. to make it even easier, as if it weren't easy enough, use a miracle like second chance, where, if you die, you are immediately resurrected back to 50% health.

you would not believe how quick shit dies in this game. it takes some practice as your mistakes will cost you dearly, but owning black phantoms was never faster, or bosses

#2931 orbit18   Eater of Gum CAGiversary!   690 Posts   Joined 7.2 Years Ago  

Posted 25 February 2010 - 06:01 AM

Damn I wonder where you all are getting the good weapons. I'm using a bastard sword +4 and just keep upgrading it.


#2932 FrankySox   KB24 MAMBA CAGiversary!   3022 Posts   Joined 11.0 Years Ago  

Posted 26 February 2010 - 04:12 PM

I went back to this game last night and quickly realized why it had been so long since I had played. I'm at a complete stand still with this game. I'm done with 1 and 2 but I can't get up the damn stairs in 3-3, I can't get through the swamp in 5-2, and I can't get down the stairs in the last part of 4-2. I've gone through the beginning part of 4-2 MANY times to harvest some souls, but I just feel like I'm stuck and won't ever progress any further. I think I'm about a soul level 71. Did anyone else have any problems with these areas? Do you have any tips? I've watched youtube videos and I just can't do what they are doing, not sure if I need to level up more or what the deal is.
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#2933 kurrptsenate   HAW-DOO-TEN! CAGiversary!   2682 Posts   Joined 8.8 Years Ago  

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Posted 26 February 2010 - 04:46 PM

Damn I wonder where you all are getting the good weapons. I'm using a bastard sword +4 and just keep upgrading it.



get a mirdan hammer from the swamp in 5-2. its a noob weapon, but man, it owns. especially if you forge the weapon to coincide with how you built your character.


I went back to this game last night and quickly realized why it had been so long since I had played. I'm at a complete stand still with this game. I'm done with 1 and 2 but I can't get up the damn stairs in 3-3, I can't get through the swamp in 5-2, and I can't get down the stairs in the last part of 4-2. I've gone through the beginning part of 4-2 MANY times to harvest some souls, but I just feel like I'm stuck and won't ever progress any further. I think I'm about a soul level 71. Did anyone else have any problems with these areas? Do you have any tips? I've watched youtube videos and I just can't do what they are doing, not sure if I need to level up more or what the deal is.


the parts you mentioned are the harder parts of those particular levels.

in 3-3, you have to learn when the dragon sees you, and when its ok to move. takes a bunch of trial and error, but I found hitting the objects once, then running back to cover works for me (granted you know when to move)

in 5-2, it helps to have the NPC's armor from 3-2 (guy in the cage) it has great poison resistance. You really only need to be in the swamp long enough to find the fog door and progress you to the next part of the level. hang nears the path at the beginning that has a couple of mini islands. shouldnt be too hard

in 4-2, i think you are probably talking about the giant sword skeletons....no? arrows arrows arrows. If you are talking about the ghosts that shoot a ray of crap at you, roll dodge is your friend, but you'll probably wind up getting hit anyway. Try using second chance or know when to heal. should help a bunch

#2934 Jodou   Infamous CAGiversary!   11499 Posts   Joined 6.4 Years Ago   Has been playing Final Fantasy XIV Online: A Realm Reborn
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Posted 26 February 2010 - 04:58 PM

I'm done with 1 and 2 but I can't get up the damn stairs in 3-3, I can't get through the swamp in 5-2, and I can't get down the stairs in the last part of 4-2.

3-3 is actually very easy, since you can exploit the walls of the stairwell. Just bait the octomen into attacking (their spells will always fizzle if you're not directly in front of them) and back off, they will chase you and a heavy attack will stun them while they're running. Rinse repeat, or you can just wait til their back is turned to noob them with stealth attacks.

5-2 you can actually just run past everything. Just cast warding and sprint past enemies until they give up chase. Rest and repeat. Once you're on the decks, just funnel enemies through breaks in the housing and mow them down. It's actually a really easy level TBH.

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#2935 Backlash   www.thecoverproject.net CAGiversary!   4791 Posts   Joined 10.8 Years Ago  

Posted 26 February 2010 - 06:50 PM

I also had some trouble with 4-2. I ended up just playing in body form and summoning a blue phantom to help me there. Arrows really help against the reapers and the skeletons as well.

#2936 Backlash   www.thecoverproject.net CAGiversary!   4791 Posts   Joined 10.8 Years Ago  

Posted 26 February 2010 - 06:51 PM

in 3-3, you have to learn when the dragon sees you, and when its ok to move. takes a bunch of trial and error, but I found hitting the objects once, then running back to cover works for me (granted you know when to move)


You're thinking of 2-3. 3-3 is the spiral staircase with the 2 black phantom mind flayers. As someone else said, just make them shoot their spells while you're still partially around the bend of the spiral and the spells will hit the walls. Then fire your own spell, or (if you don't have magic for some reason) run up and attack.

#2937 GuardianE   S-Rank CAGiversary!   4475 Posts   Joined 7.0 Years Ago  

Posted 26 February 2010 - 09:42 PM

I think chat would have ruined it.


Chat wouldn't have ruined the entire game, but it goes against the very design principles of the game.

The lack of chat was very very deliberate from the get go. Demon's Souls is supposed to permeate within you a feeling of isolation, despite the summoning aspects. You communicate creatively, through your character, not with your own voice, which makes keeping a careful eye on your summoned allies that much more important.

By the way, figured I'd mention that I received my replacement Demon's Souls guide in the mail last week, in case anyone hadn't received theirs yet.
My name is in your Resident Evil 5 manual. ;)

#2938 rothgar24   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   584 Posts   Joined 7.1 Years Ago  

Posted 26 February 2010 - 10:45 PM

I would get summon help on 4.2 ... really any time you are in trouble ... but players are generally around to summon there. A good summon helper will just loot with bows on a lot of the tougher enemies and stretches.

I hate 5.x. My hearts sinks just thinking about poison, swamps, and giant trolls. I finally just put on the thief ring and sneaked by the harder parts. I need to go there to get the moonlight sword for my faith build and I'm avoiding it.

#2939 kurrptsenate   HAW-DOO-TEN! CAGiversary!   2682 Posts   Joined 8.8 Years Ago  

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Posted 26 February 2010 - 10:48 PM

as long as you take the giant trolls on when you're on land, they're not too bad. bait a swing, get two hits in, roll back.

its the black phantom trolls that can 1 shot ya

#2940 FrankySox   KB24 MAMBA CAGiversary!   3022 Posts   Joined 11.0 Years Ago  

Posted 27 February 2010 - 01:08 AM

I really can't summon anyone right now because I'm not in body form and I don't have any items that will return me to body form. That's why I was hoping to get through 3-3 or 5-2 so I could return to body then summon someone to help me defeat 4-2. I have NO problem getting past the skeletons with huge swords, just the damn rays that get shot at me. I have been to the boss but man that thing is an absolute beast, I have no idea if I could ever beat that thing by myself.
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