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They Should Just Make Being Poor and a CheapAss a Crime Already


#31 egofed   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   1020 Posts   Joined 12.8 Years Ago  

Posted 28 June 2014 - 03:35 PM

The Civil and Revolutionary wars were 'overwhelming', but necessary for our country's growth and prosperity.

#32 UncleBob  

Posted 28 June 2014 - 03:45 PM

I am not a tax specialist by any means, but if we could implement a policy in which all profit that is derived from products and services that are sold within the US is subject to taxes, then a company could move their money anywhere they wish.


Something like a federal sales tax? :D

We need cut and dry tax policy, not this behemoth monstrosity that currently exists. No exemptions, no deductions, we could lower the rates because people would then actually pay what they owe versus loop hole specialists.


This will never happen. Obviously, those on the "right" love their loop holes and, as much as those on the "left" cry about them, they love their tax loop holes just as much as those on the "right".

If people actually had any clue what-so-ever how much they paid in taxes, they might start to realize something isn't right and start trying to get involved. And an involved citizenry is the *last* thing those in power want.

#33 egofed   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   1020 Posts   Joined 12.8 Years Ago  

Posted 28 June 2014 - 03:50 PM

I paid about 10% in income tax due to my IRA contributions and mortgage deduction. I can accept that. 39.5%??? That's crazy! Personal property tax and inheritance taxes are crazy to me too. Taxing my house every year? And taxing me for dying?

#34 dohdough   Sum Dum Guy CAGiversary!   6854 Posts   Joined 10.0 Years Ago  

Posted 28 June 2014 - 04:00 PM

I am not a tax specialist by any means, but if we could implement a policy in which all profit that is derived from products and services that are sold within the US is subject to taxes, then a company could move their money anywhere they wish. We need cut and dry tax policy, not this behemoth monstrosity that currently exists. No exemptions, no deductions, we could lower the rates because people would then actually pay what they owe versus loop hole specialists.

 You really should've just stopped there.
 

I paid about 10% in income tax due to my IRA contributions and mortgage deduction. I can accept that. 39.5%??? That's crazy! Personal property tax and inheritance taxes are crazy to me too. Taxing my house every year? And taxing me for dying?


Does someone need to explain marginal/effective tax rates and marginal utility to you again?

#35 mrsilkunderwear   Just Do It. CAGiversary!   1701 Posts   Joined 9.8 Years Ago  

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Posted 29 June 2014 - 02:37 AM

 You really should've just stopped there.
 

Does someone need to explain marginal/effective tax rates and marginal utility to you again?

Are you a specialist in anything? If not, then should we just ignore your opinion?



#36 UncleBob  

Posted 29 June 2014 - 02:42 AM

[...]then should we just ignore your opinion?


In his case, yes. :D :D :D

#37 egofed   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   1020 Posts   Joined 12.8 Years Ago  

Posted 29 June 2014 - 02:46 AM

You really should've just stopped there.


Does someone need to explain marginal/effective tax rates and marginal utility to you again?


So the gov't is entitled to a higher percentage of my money just because I have it, or because they determined that I should be satisfied with only a certain amount? BS! The flat tax is truly the fairest, realistic option we have. How exactly do you see marginal utility applying to tax rates?

#38 UncleBob  

Posted 29 June 2014 - 02:48 AM

The more money you make, the more you should give to the government as thanks for allowing you to make the money. Without the government helping you, you wouldn't be able to make so much money. Duh. If you were a tax specialist, you'd understand that.

#39 mrsilkunderwear   Just Do It. CAGiversary!   1701 Posts   Joined 9.8 Years Ago  

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Posted 29 June 2014 - 02:56 AM

You didn't succeed on your own. Everyone else made it happen for you with roads, infrastructure, clean water and etc. Somewhere in California, a small illegal child thanks you for your contribution. 



#40 rebelschs   Necessary Evil CAGiversary!   259 Posts   Joined 6.1 Years Ago  

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Posted 29 June 2014 - 04:38 AM

The Civil and Revolutionary wars were 'overwhelming', but necessary for our country's growth and prosperity.

All the Civil War did was bring us the government we have today. Lincoln should have never started that war, he should have just let us go peacefully.



#41 egofed   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   1020 Posts   Joined 12.8 Years Ago  

Posted 29 June 2014 - 01:36 PM

The more money you make, the more you should give to the government as thanks for allowing you to make the money. Without the government helping you, you wouldn't be able to make so much money. Duh. If you were a tax specialist, you'd understand that.

Heheheehheee....I get your sarcasm, but 10% scales upward. That's the beauty of the flat tax. Make $20,000 , pay $2000, make $100,000, pay $10,000. The only fairer option would be to bill people for the actual gov't services they receive. Defense, roads, courts, etc. Divide that cost by the amount of 18 and older citizens and send them the bills.



#42 dohdough   Sum Dum Guy CAGiversary!   6854 Posts   Joined 10.0 Years Ago  

Posted 29 June 2014 - 02:41 PM

Are you a specialist in anything? If not, then should we just ignore your opinion?


Have you read the Violence Against Women Act yet? No? That's what I fucking thought.
 
Buy hey, let's unpack egofed's mountian of bullshit in this quote of his:

 

I paid about 10% in income tax due to my IRA contributions and mortgage deduction. I can accept that. 39.5%??? That's crazy! Personal property tax and inheritance taxes are crazy to me too. Taxing my house every year? And taxing me for dying?


39.6% is the federal marginal tax rate for $400,000 and OVER. We all know that ego makes less than 10% of that. And even then the effective tax rate is 29.04%(edit: on $400k+; not $40k...I shouldn't have to be this specific, but some of you have thick skulls).

Property tax is levied by the local town/city.

And estate taxes don't kick in until assets are valued at over $5 million.

So please, tell me more about my "opinion" on those statements.

And ego, you know what's REALLY crazy? The fact that you know next to nothing about taxes and you have other idiots cheering you on with their similar ignorance.

 

So the gov't is entitled to a higher percentage of my money just because I have it, or because they determined that I should be satisfied with only a certain amount? BS! The flat tax is truly the fairest, realistic option we have. How exactly do you see marginal utility applying to tax rates?


Tax rates are consumption/benefit based; not how much money you have. Or maybe you can tell me the last time someone was taxed on money that was already taxed.
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Flat taxes are inherently not fair because it doesn't take into account the concept of marginal utility of income. The ONLY way it works is there are enough people on the higher spectrum of income. With income disparity the way it is, it's as realistic as you realizing that you're a generational welfare queen.

As for your question, how do you expect me to answer it when you don't even understand the concept and how it currently applies to taxes?

#43 dohdough   Sum Dum Guy CAGiversary!   6854 Posts   Joined 10.0 Years Ago  

Posted 29 June 2014 - 02:57 PM

Oh and LO-fucking-L@ "a flat tax is fair at some 'arbitrary' rate that I've determined that coincidentally wouldn't affect my overall tax rate if we switched."

How absolutely magnanimous of you. :rofl:

#44 dohdough   Sum Dum Guy CAGiversary!   6854 Posts   Joined 10.0 Years Ago  

Posted 29 June 2014 - 03:17 PM

All the Civil War did was bring us the government we have today. Lincoln should have never started that war, he should have just let us go peacefully.


Look here fellas, we have an actual neo-Confederate here! Tell us about how it wasn't about slavery and how it wasn't mentioned in their constitution. I'm dying to see your response.

#45 UncleBob  

Posted 29 June 2014 - 03:43 PM

39.6% is the federal marginal tax rate for $400,000 and OVER.


Wow. For someone who once tried to claim he accidentally hit the "u" key instead of the "o" key because they're "right beside each other"... This is amazing.

We all know that ego makes less than 10% of that.

Once again, dragging people's personal business into the mud.

Property tax is levied by the local town/city.

I didn't see ego specify anything about who taxes were being paid into.

And estate taxes don't kick in until assets are valued at over $5 million.

And, of course, that makes it okay.

So please, tell me more about my "opinion" on those statements.

then should we just ignore your opinion?


Tax rates are consumption/benefit based; not how much money you have. Or maybe you can tell me the last time someone was taxed on money that was already taxed.


Let's see... if I earn a paycheck, I get taxed - for the Federal Income tax, State/Local tax, Social Security, Medicare. My employer also has to pay out Social Security, Medicare, Unemployment Tax, and Worker's Comp - money that one could argue could go into my paycheck. So there's the same money being taxed 4 to 8 times before I even get paid.

Now, when I spend that money, I'm subject to sales taxes. Unless I'm like some folks here and decide to cheat the tax system by buying stuff online and not paying the correct amount of sales tax into the state.

This next one gets a little tricky - but when I do go to buy something, the cost of that item is based off of the cost to get that item to me. Manufacturing, transportation, sales... all add to the cost of that item. Depending on where the item is made, of course, there's various levels of taxes all along the way, built into the cost of getting that item and getting it into my hand. The fuel to run the semi truck that moves the freight from the warehouse to the store? It's taxed - and that tax is built into the cost of the item that I am using my already taxed payroll check money to purchase.

If I use that money to buy something large, like a house or a car, I might have to pay a recurring tax on it. Property taxes for the house, yearly tags for my car. Oh, and, according to some, having to pay for my Driver's License is a "tax".

Then, if I've managed to gather enough savings/stuff when I die and if I want to leave that to my child, it's all taxed again.

But yeah, you never get taxed multiple times on the same money.

#46 mrsilkunderwear   Just Do It. CAGiversary!   1701 Posts   Joined 9.8 Years Ago  

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Posted 29 June 2014 - 05:29 PM

Have you read the Violence Against Women Act yet? No? That's what I fucking thought.

Did you figure out why you called me a racist yet?



#47 dohdough   Sum Dum Guy CAGiversary!   6854 Posts   Joined 10.0 Years Ago  

Posted 29 June 2014 - 06:02 PM

Did you figure out why you called me a racist yet?


I'm pretty sure your reply sounded MUCH better in your head because it makes absolutely no sense. Good on you for being consistent! :rofl:

LOLZ this thread is seriously clownshoes



#48 mrsilkunderwear   Just Do It. CAGiversary!   1701 Posts   Joined 9.8 Years Ago  

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Posted 29 June 2014 - 06:23 PM

I'm pretty sure your reply sounded MUCH better in your head because it makes absolutely no sense. Good on you for being consistent! :rofl:

LOLZ this thread is seriously clownshoes

Did you (doh) figure out (find an answer) why (purpose) you called me a racist (something you call a person when you cant win an argument)? 



#49 UncleBob  

Posted 29 June 2014 - 06:35 PM

You know, every time you post a troll meme, it just further entrenches the fact that you have literally nothing of value to contribute.


Can we just start every thread with this quote from now on?

#50 dohdough   Sum Dum Guy CAGiversary!   6854 Posts   Joined 10.0 Years Ago  

Posted 29 June 2014 - 08:30 PM

Did you (doh) figure out (find an answer) why (purpose) you called me a racist (something you call a person when you cant win an argument)?


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Lemme know when you explain why my statements about tax codes are opinion and not fact, then I'll be more than happy to explain why you're an intellectually dishonest hack that doesn't have the balls to stand behind their insults...again.

#51 kilik64   Carefree, Wherever We May Be CAGiversary!   7594 Posts   Joined 9.0 Years Ago  

Posted 29 June 2014 - 08:45 PM

I'm a pretentious arrogant asshole.

You said it.



#52 dohdough   Sum Dum Guy CAGiversary!   6854 Posts   Joined 10.0 Years Ago  

Posted 29 June 2014 - 08:51 PM

You said it.


You forgot to call me a camel jockey and towel head.

inb4 datz not racialist.

To all you gutless CAG cons, just once, I'd like to see you spineless twerps call out one of your own when they make blatantly racist comments. I've been on Vs. for a long time and never have I once seen some of you shittier shitheads make a fucking peep. You're all pathetic.

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#53 mrsilkunderwear   Just Do It. CAGiversary!   1701 Posts   Joined 9.8 Years Ago  

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Posted 29 June 2014 - 09:25 PM

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#54 dohdough   Sum Dum Guy CAGiversary!   6854 Posts   Joined 10.0 Years Ago  

Posted 29 June 2014 - 09:36 PM

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#55 UncleBob  

Posted 29 June 2014 - 10:06 PM

I don't get it. Is calling DD "pretentious" supposed to be super-secret-dog-whistle language for racism? Does anyone even know what race DD is, as he often points out we don't know his race whenever it comes up?

Oh, look. DD's gone and made yet another topic about him and about racism.

#56 kilik64   Carefree, Wherever We May Be CAGiversary!   7594 Posts   Joined 9.0 Years Ago  

Posted 30 June 2014 - 12:58 AM

I don't get it. Is calling DD "pretentious" supposed to be super-secret-dog-whistle language for racism? Does anyone even know what race DD is, as he often points out we don't know his race whenever it comes up?

Oh, look. DD's gone and made yet another topic about him and about racism.

Yea he brings up racism enough that he has to be a minority of some type.

 

Even in the Casey Kassem is dead thread he posted the first reply and guess what he brought up?

 

Race.



#57 dohdough   Sum Dum Guy CAGiversary!   6854 Posts   Joined 10.0 Years Ago  

Posted 30 June 2014 - 02:03 AM

Yea he brings up racism enough that he has to be a minority of some type.
 
Even in the Casey Kassem is dead thread he posted the first reply and guess what he brought up?
 
Race.


I love how tangentially referring to a racist incident is WORSE THAN ACTUALLY USING RACIAL EPITHETS. Oh and only non-whites bring up race because "reasons."<insert POV from a racist Fuck...in case you haven't gotten the clue, that would be you>

#58 kilik64   Carefree, Wherever We May Be CAGiversary!   7594 Posts   Joined 9.0 Years Ago  

Posted 30 June 2014 - 03:01 AM

Not surprising as according to you everyone is racist.



#59 mrsilkunderwear   Just Do It. CAGiversary!   1701 Posts   Joined 9.8 Years Ago  

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Posted 30 June 2014 - 12:33 PM

Even me, I just don't know how or why. 



#60 renique46   CAGiversary! Silenced   2692 Posts   Joined 11.3 Years Ago  

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Posted 30 June 2014 - 01:11 PM