[egofed]

Maybe I am racist, all the Arabs in this video look the same to me.

 

As far as calling someone out, Doh, is a video game political chat forum post really gonna change a person's mind? I just ignore truly ignorant racists comments. You cry wolf wayyyy too much when it comes to thinking that you know everyone's reasoning for thinking the way they do....(they are racists!....  ) Dislike Obama's policies...racist...wanna change the tax system....racist....wanna reform welfare....racist...against minimum wage....racist...And I do believe that we had the whole ACTUAL definition of the word racist debate, right? You made up your own definition if I recall correctly, dismissing the whole genetic component. Maybe that was someone else. I can't remember. Apologies if that wasn't you....

 

As far a the tax code insults you hurled at me, I understand everything you claimed I didn't, I stand up for not taking 39.6% of any amount of anyone's money...ever. Just because it doesn't affect me directly, doesn't mean it is not fair and absurd in my opinion. Bob pointed out how the estate tax double dips. Do you defend it? Do you really believe that taxes are consumption/benefit based? A millionaire really uses hundreds of thousands more of gov't resources than I do, or a welfare recipient? Maybe some do, shipping moguls or some such industry( but aren't taxes in place on specific industries like these already?), but many do not. How would you change the tax system? Please be specific as possible. I also wonder if you are for open borders and immigration while telling me I can not expect people on welfare to work due to a lack of jobs. Please reply. Thanks.

[dohdough]

Maybe I am racist, all the Arabs in this video look the same to me.
 
As far as calling someone out, Doh, is a video game political chat forum post really gonna change a person's mind? I just ignore truly ignorant racists comments. You cry wolf wayyyy too much when it comes to thinking that you know everyone's reasoning for thinking the way they do....(they are racists!....  ) Dislike Obama's policies...racist...wanna change the tax system....racist....wanna reform welfare....racist...against minimum wage....racist...And I do believe that we had the whole ACTUAL definition of the word racist debate, right? You made up your own definition if I recall correctly, dismissing the whole genetic component. Maybe that was someone else. I can't remember. Apologies if that wasn't you....

Let's just say that I've changed more than a few minds when it comes to racism on CAG. Race is based on genetics huh? I guess the theory behind caucazoids, mongoloids, and negroids is correct then!
 

As far a the tax code insults you hurled at me, I understand everything you claimed I didn't, I stand up for not taking 39.6% of any amount of anyone's money...ever. Just because it doesn't affect me directly, doesn't mean it is not fair and absurd in my opinion. Bob pointed out how the estate tax double dips. Do you defend it? Do you really believe that taxes are consumption/benefit based? A millionaire really uses hundreds of thousands more of gov't resources than I do, or a welfare recipient? Maybe some do, shipping moguls or some such industry( but aren't taxes in place on specific industries like these already?), but many do not. How would you change the tax system? Please be specific as possible. I also wonder if you are for open borders and immigration while telling me I can not expect people on welfare to work due to a lack of jobs. Please reply. Thanks.

-NO ONE pays 39.6%.

-Inherited capital and assets are considered income with specialized tax shelters. I'd trust bobby to run a cash register at wallyworld, but he doesn't have a goddamn clue about anything except how to troll vs. If you paid attention to what nasum told you about taxes, you'd know bullshit was being smeared all over your face when someone was telling you it was anti-aging cream. Is it double dipping when you have to pay tax on winning Mega-ball?

-The ability to make those millions is dependent on a lot of infrastructure and regulatory bodies that create a system to make it possible. Apple doesn't make billions of dollars solely on the fact that it makes shitty shiny products. Even without physical infrastructure, you have laws and agencies that protect it from copyright infringement, patent violations, and straight up killing their domestic workforce. It's a little more complicated than just using roads. That's a simple example to highlight a simple concept that apparently, some people are too simple to understand. Not my problem.

So you either used ideological rhetoric to purposely distort the concepts you're bringing up or you outright have no fucking clue about what you're attempting to talk about. Which is it because you're fucking up the basics. Yeah, I'm totally going to write a 1000+ word treatise to get trolled by the vs. clowns. In case you're wondering, yes, I include you in that group.

[mrsilkunderwear]

Pillsbury dohboy strikes back

[egofed]

Let's just say that I've changed more than a few minds when it comes to racism on CAG. Race is based on genetics huh? I guess the theory behind caucazoids, mongoloids, and negroids is correct then!
 

-NO ONE pays 39.6%.

-Inherited capital and assets are considered income with specialized tax shelters. I'd trust bobby to run a cash register at wallyworld, but he doesn't have a goddamn clue about anything except how to troll vs. If you paid attention to what nasum told you about taxes, you'd know bullshit was being smeared all over your face when someone was telling you it was anti-aging cream. Is it double dipping when you have to pay tax on winning Mega-ball?

-The ability to make those millions is dependent on a lot of infrastructure and regulatory bodies that create a system to make it possible. Apple doesn't make billions of dollars solely on the fact that it makes shitty shiny products. Even without physical infrastructure, you have laws and agencies that protect it from copyright infringement, patent violations, and straight up killing their domestic workforce. It's a little more complicated than just using roads. That's a simple example to highlight a simple concept that apparently, some people are too simple to understand. Not my problem.

So you either used ideological rhetoric to purposely distort the concepts you're bringing up or you outright have no fucking clue about what you're attempting to talk about. Which is it because you're fucking up the basics. Yeah, I'm totally going to write a 1000+ word treatise to get trolled by the vs. clowns. In case you're wondering, yes, I include you in that group.

race

² /reɪs/  Show Spelled [reys]  Show IPA

noun

1.

a group of persons related by common descent or heredity.

2.

a population so related.

3.

Anthropology .

a.

(no longer in technical use) any of the traditional divisions of humankind, the commonest being the caucasian, Mongoloid, and Negro, characterized by supposedly distinctive and universal physical characteristics.

b.

an arbitrary classification of modern humans, sometimes, especially formerly, based on any or a combination of various physical characteristics, as skin color, facial form, or eye shape, and now frequently based on such genetic markers as blood groups.

c.

a human population partially isolated reproductively from other populations, whose members share a greater degree of physical and genetic similarity with one another than with other humans.

4.

a group of tribes or peoples forming an ethnic stock: the Slavic race.

5.

any people united by common history, language, cultural traits, etc.: the Dutch race

 

http://dictionary.re...com/browse/race

 

So, uh, yeah, genetics are a component of race.

 

NO ONE pays 39.6%?  Are you sure? I myself think 25% is outrageous. I mean 3 months worth of work to just pay the federal gov't seems extreme. I will ask again, would you change our current system? How? Paying taxes on lottery winnings (initial income) and paying inheritance tax on money THAT HAS ALREADY BEEN TAXED BEFORE is different. Once I pay the tax, I should be able to do what I want with the money. Simple, eh?

 

Any response on the immigration/job shortage question?

 

I like clowns, and you, sir, are my head clown.  

[UncleBob]

Parents working and saving money to pass on to their children is equal to buying a lottery ticket.

[MattZack]

Let's just say that I've changed more than a few minds when it comes to racism on CAG. Race is based on genetics huh? I guess the theory behind caucazoids, mongoloids, and negroids is correct then!

Wait, is there some debate that a person's race is not genetically determined?  Please fill me in, I have not heard about this. 

[GBAstar]

Wait, is there some debate that a person's race is not genetically determined?  Please fill me in, I have not heard about this. 

 No but there has been debates in which our resident race expert has proclaimed that if you're white you're automatically racist because you're automatically born into power and privileged. The same expert has said that it is impossible for any minority to be racist because they don't universally hold enough wealth or power or the numbers to effectively be racist.

[mrsilkunderwear]

 No but there has been debates in which our resident race expert has proclaimed that if you're white you're automatically racist because you're automatically born into power and privileged. The same expert has said that it is impossible for any minority to be racist because they don't universally hold enough wealth or power or the numbers to effectively be racist.

Well according to pillsbury, I am a huge racist. I am not even white!

[MattZack]

 No but there has been debates in which our resident race expert has proclaimed that if you're white you're automatically racist because you're automatically born into power and privileged. The same expert has said that it is impossible for any minority to be racist because they don't universally hold enough wealth or power or the numbers to effectively be racist.

OK, I read about that idea.  I completely disagreed with it since I understand the definition of the word "racist".  

[GBAstar]

OK, I read about that idea.  I completely disagreed with it since I understand the definition of the word "racist".  

 

You and just about everyone else on these boards....

[dohdough]

African slaves were racist if they hate whites because whites enslaved them. In matter of fact, those African slaves were probably MORE racist! LOGIC!

Oh and people that are considered white today were ALWAYS considered white.

[UncleBob]

In this thread, DD justifies hating every person of an single race.

[asampedasjohor]

Maybe I am racist, all the Arabs in this video look the same to me. ;)

Lol. He is not an Arab and even dont speak arabic. instead he speaks hindi(an indian language), maybe he is from pakistan or india.

Source: I've arab and indian friends

[dohdough]

Lol. He is not an Arab and even dont speak arabic. instead he speaks hindi(an indian language), maybe he is from pakistan or india. Source: I've arab and indian friends

You're talking to people that can't be assed to distinguish between Sikh and Muslim cause they think it's the same thing. The way they look is enough to group them in the same classification because "genetics" as if phenotypes are the sole criteria and there are never variations that overlap.

I'd expect someone like GBAstar to understand the difference, but hey, libruls are da REAL RACISTZ. Whites look white, black people look black, anyone that looks like they could be both are Mexicans, anyone that doesn't look like either are Chinamen. Cause logic...errr...I mean "common" sense!

[dohdough]

OK, I read about that idea.  I completely disagreed with it since I understand the definition of the word "racist".

LOLZ...define what makes someone a particular race then, smartie pants.

[soonersfan60]

You're talking to people that can't be assed to distinguish between Sikh and Muslim cause they think it's the same thing. The way they look is enough to group them in the same classification because "genetics" as if phenotypes are the sole criteria and there are never variations that overlap.

I'd expect someone like GBAstar to understand the difference, but hey, libruls are da REAL RACISTZ. Whites look white, black people look black, anyone that looks like they could be both are Mexicans, anyone that doesn't look like either are Chinamen. Cause logic...errr...I mean "common" sense!

Yet it's the liberals who insist on lumping together all "Asians" in the U.S. when there are tremendous historical animosities that each nationality are forced to set aside when they're pushed into that group... same for "Hispanics" (although I admit I am much less versed in their historical feuds).

[dohdough]

Yet it's the liberals who insist on lumping together all "Asians" in the U.S. when there are tremendous historical animosities that each nationality are forced to set aside when they're pushed into that group... same for "Hispanics" (although I admit I am much less versed in their historical feuds).

LOLZ...yeah, tell me more about the state of "Asian" affairs in the US and their intra-ethnic animosity towards each other that's stoked by "liberal" grouping. I'm absolutely dying to read about what you have to say about it.

[MattZack]

LOLZ...define what makes someone a particular race then, smartie pants.

Why?  Can you can tell me how a single person's definition of race on a video game deals website is relevant to the discussion of the idea that only the people in power can be racist?

[dohdough]

Why?  Can you can tell me how a single person's definition of race on a video game deals website is relevant to the discussion of the idea that only the people in power can be racist?

If you know what racism is, surely you can define what a "race" is. Can't have racism without race, so define it. You're the one that brought it up.

[mrsilkunderwear]

If you know what racism is, surely you can define what a "race" is. Can't have racism without race, so define it. You're the one that brought it up.

Actually your are the one who keeps bringing up race into these threads. Perhaps then you can explain to us how any of us are racist. Please, amuse me. 

[dohdough]

I find it more amusing that you're stalking me. It's as flattering as it is creepy.

[MattZack]

If you know what racism is, surely you can define what a "race" is. Can't have racism without race, so define it. You're the one that brought it up.

So, am I to understand from your response that you can't or won't tell me how it is relevant to the discussion?  If you cannot do this, then we are at an impasse. 

[mrsilkunderwear]

He does that a lot. If he cant win an argument he either insults you or posts a meme. Pillsbury never disappoints. 

[dohdough]

So, am I to understand from your response that you can't or won't tell me how it is relevant to the discussion?  If you cannot do this, then we are at an impasse.

You made the assertion that racism is exclusive of institutional power because you "understand the definition of the word "racist."

If you can't define what "race" is, then how can you know what "racism" is? And if you don't know what "racism" is, how can you assert that it's not a function of institutional power? With your "reasoning," an African slave is racist if they hate all whites because they were the slavers. Or do you share the sentiment that black people were better off under slavery than in Africa and should be thankful for being taken out of that hellhole?

[MattZack]

You made the assertion that racism is exclusive of institutional power because you "understand the definition of the word "racist."

Yes I did make that assertion.

 

Here is the definition copied from the online Merriam-Webster Dictionary:

 

1. a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race

 

2. racial prejudice or discrimination

 

I see no mention of institutional power, do you?

 

Perhaps you can provide me with the name of the dictionary that provides the definition of racism that you agree with, the one that mentions institutional power.

 

If you can't define what "race" is, then how can you know what "racism" is? And if you don't know what "racism" is, how can you assert that it's not a function of institutional power? With your "reasoning," an African slave is racist if they hate all whites because they were the slavers. Or do you share the sentiment that black people were better off under slavery than in Africa and should be thankful for being taken out of that hellhole?

The 3rd word of the 1st sentence in the paragraph should read won't, not can't

 

So can you explain how would an African slave that hates all whites not be racist?  Yes, by my reasoning the slave you mention is indeed racist since it fits with the actual definition of the word (see #2 above).  I think we could all understand a slave responding in this way, but this is in no way a justification for the attitude.  I believe this is where we actually disagree.  If I am correct, then I believe that there is no point in continuing a discussion on the matter.

 

I will not respond to your final question since it is clearly a straw man fallacy and I never stated anything remotely similar.  I will thank you to keep any arguments logical or, at the very least, not fallacious.

[dohdough]

Yes I did make that assertion.

Which, according to your "logic," means that only individuals can be racist and not social institutions created by them. Do you assert that this is true too?
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

Here is the definition copied from the online Merriam-Webster Dictionary:
 
1. a belief that [/size]
race is the primary [/size]determinant of human traits and capacities and that [/size]racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race[/size]
 
2. racial [/size]prejudice or discrimination[/size]
 
I see no mention of institutional power, do you?
 
Perhaps you can provide me with the name of the dictionary that provides the definition of racism that you agree with, the one that mentions institutional power.

Lolz...yeah, dictionaries are the final words on a complex subject such as racism. Pedants like you are so cute. It's not like definitions ever change or woefully superficial when it comes to complex concepts, right?

 
 
 
 
 
 

The 3rd word of the 1st sentence in the paragraph should read won't, not can't

That's because you know that your assertion will fall apart.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

So can you explain how would an African slave that hates all whites not be racist?  Yes, by my reasoning the slave you mention is indeed racist since it fits with the actual definition of the word (see #2 above).  I think we could all understand a slave responding in this way, but this is in no way a justification for the attitude.  I believe this is where we actually disagree.  If I am correct, then I believe that there is no point in continuing a discussion on the matter.

If both are racist, then racism would be irrelevant to the equation and there'd be white chattel slavery since we've established that only individuals can be racist. I guess the Confederate States of America couldn't be racist either because racism meant something different back then and institutions can't be racist.


 
 

I will not respond to your final question since it is clearly a straw man fallacy and I never stated anything remotely similar.  I will thank you to keep any arguments logical or, at the very least, not fallacious.

You're the only one allowed to make absurd comments? I'm just trying to pick your brain. Now tell me, did you stop beating your wife? Serious question.

[mrsilkunderwear]

Pillsbury is getting destroyed, again, so he starts throwing accusations. Cute. 

[dohdough]

Pillsbury is getting destroyed, again, so he starts throwing accusations. Cute.

Have you stopped peeing your underoos yet?

[UncleBob]

Systems and laws can have implications that affect one race more adversely than another - I'm not sure anyone has ever argued against that point. Which is why it's completely unsurprising that DD is totally strawmanning this thread by trying to make that claim.

And yet, DD has still NEVER answered anyone who has asked - is a law that has a disproportionate adverse effect on white people vs. minorities a racist law? And he won't ever answer it - because answering "yes" would destroy everything he holds dear, while answering "no" would be blatantly hypocritical.

[MattZack]

Which, according to your "logic," means that only individuals can be racist and not social institutions created by them. Do you assert that this is true too?
 
Lolz...yeah, dictionaries are the final words on a complex subject such as racism. Pedants like you are so cute. It's not like definitions ever change or woefully superficial when it comes to complex concepts, right?

That's because you know that your assertion will fall apart.

If both are racist, then racism would be irrelevant to the equation and there'd be white chattel slavery since we've established that only individuals can be racist. I guess the Confederate States of America couldn't be racist either because racism meant something different back then and institutions can't be racist.
 
You're the only one allowed to make absurd comments? I'm just trying to pick your brain. Now tell me, did you stop beating your wife? Serious question.

OK, I am a pedant because I use a dictionary when attempting to define a word.  What do you use to define the meaning of words?  If we can't agree that a dictionary is the source you look at to define the meaning of a word, I don't suppose there is any point to this discussion.

 

If there is no common ground about the use or meaning of words, they are useless.  So there you have it, this discussion is indeed pointless.