Let's stop throwing stones at the other guys so long as we're doing the exact same shit.
What are we, cavemen? That's what the drones are for.
Posted 01 August 2014 - 05:33 PM
Let's stop throwing stones at the other guys so long as we're doing the exact same shit.
What are we, cavemen? That's what the drones are for.
Posted 01 August 2014 - 11:18 PM
Posted 02 August 2014 - 12:11 AM
All this talk about Israel/Palestine and killing innocents...
How many innocents have died via US unmanned drone attack in the past few years?
Let's stop throwing stones at the other guys so long as we're doing the exact same shit.
Posted 02 August 2014 - 01:49 AM
Totally agree about drones from the USo. We made it trendy to gutlessly destroy spots on maps from high above and consider civilians to be collateral damage. Israel learned from the best...literally.
Posted 02 August 2014 - 07:04 AM
Just to show how dumb you literally are.
http://www.newstalkz...ldier-kidnapped
Ceasefire collapses just after 90 minutes AFTER Hamas uses the opportunity to kidnap an Israeli soldier.
Time to destroy Hamas, you can't be surprised. You are dealing with animals that need to be put down. They are a terrorist organization plain and simple stop beating around the bush.
Instead you want to sit here and try to legitimize them. I mean if you admitted you are a terrorist and involved with Hamas then I would understand it more but I doubt that is the case.
Your last post was hilarious because you actually think Hamas can be reasoned with.
You are still DODGING the question. How can you have peace with someone who says in their Preamble:
"Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it″
You don't want to answer because you are a fraud.
Did you rinse the blood off yet? Still can't believe how much you love dead kids. Do you eat them too? Its getting disturbing. Should the authorities get involved?
I'm guessing you didn't go to the two different links (Wikipedia and Haaretz) that showed why the preamble exists, and is unchanged since it's inception, despite repeated explanations on why it's not used, and is outdated. Sorry, facts might be getting in the way of your hatred and bigotry.
So I don't want to answer the question with my opinions, I'm instead posting factual sources. Sorry if they're too accurate for you. I'm sure Pamela Gellar has more inaccurate information you could use instead.
Hamas is made up of at least 25% children? That's why you're OK with 1500 dead Palestinians (and growing)? Hunh, I mean, I love my kids, and I like some of my friend's kids, but I'll readily admit that there are lots of kids I don't like. None that I'd like to see dead like you gloat about, but still, I can understand at least not liking some of them. I suspect of the dead terror babies, some of them probably screamed "Allah Akbar" right before throwing their 3 year old bodies in front of a drone missile.
So ignore sources, facts, and analysis, keep going on about Hamas and their ability to kill 60 people, maybe 61, mostly soldiers.
War is hell man. On the back of my truck, right next to the Confederate Flag, it says so. You can't see the whole thing cause my gun rack blocks part of it, so all you can really see is "War is". Actually, all my MMA Tapout tanktops say War is Hell on the back too, but I'm too skinny to wear them right, so it just looks like W-ell. It's tough.
So, why do I defend Hamas? I don't. They're a crappy governmental organization. I think the fact they shoot rockets at people is awful. The fact that they kill soldiers is A-OK. Why do you pretend like Israel is doing anything to minimize civilian casualties, or if you don't pretend that, why do you think that many dead civilians are acceptable collateral damage? Excluding the kids of course. We all know you love seeing dead kids.
Whoops, found another link accusing Israel of historically doing very little to minimize civilian casualties...and it was said by a former US Army officer. Jesus man, now you hate our troops too? If I didn't know better, I'd say you were a communist, or at least really, really un-American.
Here's the link that you won't read but comment on like you know the contents:
http://www.theguardi...raining-experts
Edit: Oh, and the Washington Post disputes that the soldier was captured during the ceasefire, instead it seems that he may have been captured before it.
http://www.washingto...uch-a-big-deal/
Holy . I just read your link, and it also says that the capture of soldiers was before the cease fire. Did you even read your own article? Israel has repeatedly bombed the shit out of Gaza minutes before other ceasefires. Why is the attack on soldiers by Hamas (who are denying responsibility BTW, again, according to your own article) somehow worse than Israeli's attack on bad guys and civilians, minutes before ceasefires?
Get your shit together man.
Posted 02 August 2014 - 11:51 AM
Posted 02 August 2014 - 12:33 PM
Posted 02 August 2014 - 04:25 PM
I didn't read the article.
"These terrorists came out from the ground with dad intentions,"
So Israel broke the ceasefire because some guys from Hamas wanted to go fishing and teach them about the birds and the bees?
And they are also zombies?
Posted 02 August 2014 - 07:23 PM
Hamas is a elected gov't ... And there are both good and bad fraction in Hamas, you cannot label the whole elected gov't as a terrorist organization
If that was the fact, the republican party is a terrorist organization, since it caters to gun extremists and racists/homophobes who continue to push for segregation agendas. If you took into account all the gun violence and racial instability caused by them they are in the same level as a terrorist organization. When you have a side who advocates shooting people crossing the border and enslaving children ( Michelle Bachmann ) ..
And if War is so much like h ell and innocent people die, why are we so outraged at 9/11 and the Boston bombing , hey its war and innocents must pay the price for the gov't they support or elect... So keep supporting the idea that innocent people should be a victim to their gov't actions cause one day you will be fair game too.
Posted 02 August 2014 - 07:31 PM
And next time when you get a chance to vote
You can vote for a man who wants peace or a man who wants to avenge and protect them and destroy the enemy
Tell me which guy you will choose, after you watch you child get blown to bits or have loved ones killed or have your house destroyed by a country who claims it is only fighting against armed bad terrorists or armed militants
I mean isn't that why we elected a evil man like George Bush because he promise to kill all the terrorists and avenge America, instead of that wussy peace loving Gore or Kerry? Hey not only did he fought terrorist, but he also help collapsed a nation which had no terrorists until now
Posted 02 August 2014 - 09:26 PM
Hamas is a elected gov't ... And there are both good and bad fraction in Hamas, you cannot label the whole elected gov't as a terrorist organization
If that was the fact, the republican party is a terrorist organization, since it caters to gun extremists and racists/homophobes who continue to push for segregation agendas. If you took into account all the gun violence and racial instability caused by them they are in the same level as a terrorist organization. When you have a side who advocates shooting people crossing the border and enslaving children ( Michelle Bachmann ) ..
And if War is so much like h ell and innocent people die, why are we so outraged at 9/11 and the Boston bombing , hey its war and innocents must pay the price for the gov't they support or elect... So keep supporting the idea that innocent people should be a victim to their gov't actions cause one day you will be fair game too.
Posted 03 August 2014 - 03:03 AM
It's nice to see you're still not too intelligent to let facts get in the way of a good opinion. It lets me know the caliber of person I'm dealing with here. Then again, your bloodlust for kids should've tipped me off long ago.
So, remember how you blistered Hamas for kidnapping a soldier hours before a cease-fire? Whoops...looks like he was killed in a firefight, and wasn't kidnapped...according to Israel.
http://news.msn.com/...s-declared-dead
Might want to edit your earlier post so you don't look like a complete dickhead, since that was a big foundation of your condemnation for the broken ceasefire.
Then, regarding the continued quoting of Hamas' preamble, again, you clearly didn't read the two links I posted earlier which explain why it's in there, and how it's not observed. Those damn facts. It's so encouraging that they still don't get in the way of your opinions.
So, the fucking contents of those two sources that you elected not to read, instead repeating false information:
http://www.haaretz.c...orders-1.256915
"The Hamas leader in Gaza, Ismail Haniyeh, said on Saturday his government was willing to accept a Palestinian state within the 1967 borders.
Ahmed asked Haniyeh about Hamas' relations with Iran and requested his response to the claims of "our Zionist friends" that Hamas, like Iran, seeks to destroy the State of Israel and throw the Jews into the sea.
"Our ties with Iran are like those with other Muslim states. Does a besieged people that is waiting breathlessly for a ship to come from the sea want to throw the Jews into the ocean? Our conflict is not with the Jews, our problem is with the occupation," Haniyeh said."
http://en.wikipedia...._of_the_Charter
Hamas leader Khaled Meshaal indicated to Robert Pastor, senior adviser to the Carter Center, that the Charter is "a piece of history and no longer relevant, but cannot be changed for internal reasons".[85] Hamas do not use the Charter on their website and prefer to use their election manifesto to put forth their agenda.[86][87] Pastor states that those who quote the charter rather than more recent Hamas statements may be using the Charter as an excuse to ignore Hamas.[85]
British diplomat and former British ambassador to the United Nations Sir Jeremy Greenstock stated in early 2009 that the Hamas charter was "drawn up by a Hamas-linked imam some [twenty] years ago and has never been adopted since Hamas was elected as the Palestinian government in 2006".[88] Mohammed Nimer of American University comments on the Charter, "It's a tract meant to mobilize support and it should be amended.... It projects anger, not vision."[89]Ahmed Yousef, an adviser to Ismail Haniyeh, has questioned the use of the charter by Israel and its supporters to brand Hamas as a fundamentalist, terrorist, racist, anti-Semitic organization and claims that they have taken parts of the charter out of context for propaganda purposes. He claims that they dwell on the charter and ignore that Hamas has changed its views with time.
--So now you literally have to skip over all of that to keep asking about the Hamas charter and it's use and application in 2014 (actually it became publically irrelevant in 2008, but I'll spot you 6 years since I didn't know the update until Professor Google educated me either)
With respect to you calling me an anti-Semite, the Arab people are also Semites, so if you want to allege that I'm bigoted towards the Jewish people, you should be more specific, you know, just helping educate you on the region.
So am I anti-Jewish? I don't know. You'll have to ask my mentor and dear friend, a professor I studied and worked under who is a dual Israeli-US citizen, and fought in the IDF during the first intifada. I emailed him a week or so ago, asking how his family and friends were in Israel, hoping they are doing well. He's on his way to Israel, and I'm very concerned for his safety. The world would lose an incredible, incredible scholar, man, father, and friend if anything bad happened to him.
I could also send you a personal letter from a woman in Israel who works with disabled children, who I donated a $500 computer accessory to to help the kids use a computer who are paralyzed or have an inability to use a traditional mouse.
Or I could have another close friend of mine from college, at the time the President of the local Hilel chapter (this is the Jewish Student Union) who with her help, the two of us established an interfaith council which focused on embracing religious commonalities and not forcing modern politics into the equation to divide us. She and I were both featured speakers at a few campus-wide events. I'm happy to say that the outcome of our efforts is that to this day my University still maintains a panel, and works to bring people of faith together.
I could also get the local Rabbi in our community, a family friend, to tell you what my thoughts are regarding the Jewish people. (I like em). He makes a very kind effort to visit the local mosque to have dinner with us once or twice a year during Ramadan.
My beef is with Israeli domestic and foreign policy. It's been a longtime game of Pro-Israeli supporters to cry anti-Semitism when political decisions are disagreed with. I'm happy to say that over the past 5-10 years, the international community has moved on from accepting that, and now disregards the immediate anti-Semitism allegation because it cheapens true anti-Semitism. I guess you didn't get that memo.
Again, get your shit together, personally and intellectually. You're grotesquely outmatched here
Let me prepare your reply for you: tl;dr -rabble, rabble, read Hamas' charter. Israel should kill more babies, I love to feel their blood on my belly.
There is no real reply possible after debunking all your opinions, so unless you can pull out something really intriguing with credible sources, consider this me dropping the mic and walking off the stage. You have been completely annihilated, and at this point, rebel is more credible than you, and he spends half his time intentionally trolling.
Posted 03 August 2014 - 04:23 AM
dudes a weirdo going on and on about babies blood and putting it all over himself. might wanna get that checked out dont think that is normal
also nice i have blac, errr ISRAELI, friends argument.
Posted 03 August 2014 - 04:48 AM
You are absolutely insane. The whole organization is a terrorist group.
Right in the preamble of their charter they call for the destruction of Israel. It is asinine to think there are any reasonable people. You are the same type of appeaser who would let Hitler run wild. It is so obvious how you and berzirk are Anti-Semites. You are literally trying to find any excuse you can and it is not working.
You do know they could write whatever stuff they want right? The KKK write whatever stuff they want too.. Heck even our good old Constitution have a bunch of written stuff too..
Guess what, there is a saying older then either of those and it is " actions speak louder then words"
So Israel might not have written lets kill women and children and innocent bystanders in their constitution or heck even a preamble, but their actions clearly show they won't even respect their own religious teachings, so who care what is written or not, their actions is what matters
Oh and guess what even our gov't can't follow the Constitution, as evident by our actions... What good is anything written its their actions that proves their true nature.
Because saying how DESPICABLE it is for a Israeli war plane to missile 3 innocent children on the beach and then called it a "tragic" mistake and a opppsiee is beyond DESPICABLE makes me a Anti-Semite ...... LOL !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted 03 August 2014 - 04:56 AM
Oh and Israel excuse to blow up houses, hospitals and UN sanctuaries is because Hamas is hiding weapons there, what constitute reasonable weapon hiding?
Will Israel blow up your house because you left a shell casing there, or make a gas to fuel your launcher, or do they consider a building like a holster to a gun ...lol
With no check and balance pretty much Israel could blow anything up and use the excuse "hey they were hiding weapon/s" there
Same sad excuse when a guy pulls out his wallet and a cop shoot him dead and they say but I thought the black thing looked like a gun... Its black and guns are black so that make its a easily mistakable weapon
Posted 03 August 2014 - 08:22 AM
You do know they could write whatever stuff they want right? The KKK write whatever stuff they want too.. Heck even our good old Constitution have a bunch of written stuff too..
Guess what, there is a saying older then either of those and it is " actions speak louder then words"
So Israel might not have written lets kill women and children and innocent bystanders in their constitution or heck even a preamble, but their actions clearly show they won't even respect their own religious teachings, so who care what is written or not, their actions is what matters
Oh and guess what even our gov't can't follow the Constitution, as evident by our actions... What good is anything written its their actions that proves their true nature.
Because saying how DESPICABLE it is for a Israeli war plane to missile 3 innocent children on the beach and then called it a "tragic" mistake and a opppsiee is beyond DESPICABLE makes me a Anti-Semite ...... LOL !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted 03 August 2014 - 02:43 PM
Oh and Israel excuse to blow up houses, hospitals and UN sanctuaries is because Hamas is hiding weapons there, what constitute reasonable weapon hiding?
Zero. Zero constitutes "reasonable weapon hiding". When people are firing rockets into your towns and cities then any number of rockets greater than zero makes that location a valid target for an air strike. When people are coming through tunnels to shoot and kill and to smuggle explosives to launch terror attacks then any number of guns and explosives greater than zero makes that location a valid target for an air strike.
Don't like it? Make the number of weapons there zero. Or else, you know, stop using them to attacks people on the other side of the wall and falsely crying how unfair the counterattacks are.
Posted 03 August 2014 - 03:55 PM
Posted 03 August 2014 - 04:19 PM
Israel claims Palestinians have fired over 3000 rockets in to Israel since the fighting started.
Israel has lost 3 civilians to those rockets.
More people probably die every year on the 4th of July setting off handheld fireworks than Israelis have due to the alleged 3k rockets from Palestinians.
You have to be borderline retarded to take anything Israel says at face value.
Also hilarious is essentially every politician in America tripping over themselves to see who can foam at the mouth the most in Israel's defense. Especially conservatives - who knew the GOP loved socialism and government handing out taxpayer paid abortions like candy?
Posted 03 August 2014 - 05:07 PM
Israel claims Palestinians have fired over 3000 rockets in to Israel since the fighting started.
Israel has lost 3 civilians to those rockets.
"It's okay for someone to try and kill you if they're not being effective enough at it!"
Israel has suffered few losses because of a strong defensive system (both the Iron Dome system and the security wall) and because the sanctions have thankfully diminished Hamas' ability -- though not their desire -- to indiscriminately kill Israeli citizens. Prior to those defenses, Israeli suffered much greater losses both from rockets and from suicide bombers. You know why Hamas is using those shitty rockets? Because Israel had to build a huge ass wall to stop them from doing this. That's those poor, poor people who are "just throwing rocks" blowing up buses, markets, discos, train stations, cafes, restaurants, hotels, playgrounds... years of these people finding the places where they could intentionally murder the most women and children at one time and killing as many as they could in targeted attacks on civilians. But now that they're stuck firing shitty rockets it's all "Boohoo! Those rockets aren't even so bad so why hurt those poor little Hamas victims who are firing them from school rooftops? Those poor guys! Israel is so mean!"
You want the attacks in Gaza to stop? Simple plan: Stop firing rockets into Israel. Anyone who can't agree that that's the number one first step that must be taken just isn't being serious.
Posted 03 August 2014 - 08:25 PM
You want people to stop being mad at you and want to kill you.... STOP STEALING PEOPLE'S LAND that was never sanctioned to you under agreement ..
Posted 03 August 2014 - 08:28 PM
Yep you are clinically insane. Our Constitution doesn't call for the KILLING of people like Hamas states and even in general the religion of Islam
You can't even come up with a solid argument so all you can say is "you can just make up stuff whenever you want".
It is telling you say that because you are literally just making stuff up. You are a racist because you don't point out when Hamas has caused INNOCENT civilians as well. You have done this repeatedly and it is clear because you hate Jews. That is fine but don't act like you are pretending to do anything else.
And let's just accept your asinine premise that Hamas could just make anything up in their Charter. If they truly cared about peace why the hell would they choose to say of all things that they won't stop fighting until Israel ceases to exist? Doesn't sound like peaceful language to me.
I don't know if anybody has broken the news to you yet but this is a war and innocent people die in war especially when HAMAS is hiding amongst women and children because they know deep down they can't win against Israel. Better to wipe them out now then to keep having phony cease fires and causing even MORE deaths. You want less people to die don't you? Well if you did then you would want Israel to wipe out Hamas.
But if that isn't the case then you are a huge hypocrite because delaying this any longer will just lead to more deaths that you pretend to care about.
I see you are a idiot who only care to keep pointing out what people write about not people's actions...
You don't need a preamble to go on a mass murder war to kill innocents...
Anyways they are right about you, you must be a sick m'ferrrrr if you don't find anything wrong with the continue murder of innocent people who have no involvement with the people you are fighting.. You must be the same type of person who when you fight another person go and fight bystanders watching as well cause in your mind everyone is fair game in your little spat
Posted 03 August 2014 - 09:15 PM
You want people to stop being mad at you and want to kill you....
So how's that working out for them, huh? That whole "being mad and wanting to kill" thing is paying off great dividends for Palestine, isn't it? Man, it's almost as though the intelligent course of action would be to stop provoking the other guy with thousands of rockets attacks and maybe work towards a permanent peace/border solution. But that's only if you actually wanted those things and weren't just using them as a pretext for firing all those rockets and then crying about how unfair the counterattacks are because "it's just like throwing rocks!"
Posted 03 August 2014 - 09:54 PM
http://abcnews.go.co...al-act-24825399
Yup Israel really respect borders .... Look like Hamas wearing a yamaka now
Enjoy defending the indefensible
Posted 04 August 2014 - 05:14 AM
I see you are a idiot who only care to keep pointing out what people write about not people's actions...
You don't need a preamble to go on a mass murder war to kill innocents...
Anyways they are right about you, you must be a sick m'ferrrrr if you don't find anything wrong with the continue murder of innocent people who have no involvement with the people you are fighting.. You must be the same type of person who when you fight another person go and fight bystanders watching as well cause in your mind everyone is fair game in your little spat
Posted 04 August 2014 - 11:58 AM
Heheheehhehee...I am waiting for the guys who attacked me for posting about my black friends after calling me a racist to call Bezirk out on his Jewish buddies. What should Israel's policy be if a neighboring area attacks them and is harboring terrorists?
Posted 04 August 2014 - 09:52 PM
Confirmed racist. Has to be keep changing the subject and ignoring the Hamas charter because he doesn't want to admit he is wrong.
You tried hard but your baby killing rhetoric doesn't work. So I guess you are a sick mfer since Hamas is killing innocent people and you are ignoring it.
Naa... you're just a psycho sociopath if you thing War = ok murdering innocents and children
Might as well ok rape of the women too as spoils for war..
I mean War sucks and everything is fair game... rite
Example of Israel right here in the USA
http://www.dailymail...wrongdoing.html
Posted 05 August 2014 - 01:34 AM
Example of Israel right here in the USA
http://www.dailymail...wrongdoing.html
‘It's what I expected,’ Carver said. ‘Officer Budimlic was in a situation where hostages' lives were at stake. He took appropriate actions. What everybody needs to remember is this tragic incident would not have happened if not for the actions of the perpetrator.’
Well, can't argue with that sounding a lot like Israel and the tragic Gaza citizen deaths directly caused by the actions of Hamas. Nice find.
Posted 05 August 2014 - 06:05 AM
‘It's what I expected,’ Carver said. ‘Officer Budimlic was in a situation where hostages' lives were at stake. He took appropriate actions. What everybody needs to remember is this tragic incident would not have happened if not for the actions of the perpetrator.’
Well, can't argue with that sounding a lot like Israel and the tragic Gaza citizen deaths directly caused by the actions of Hamas. Nice find.
Sounds like you blame the innocent person for being at the wrong place at the wrong time.
Instead of accepting you murder someone accidentally you just pass the blame on the victim and the perpetrator. You should be proud, I truly pray your loved ones will never be part of someone else cross-fire. Because obviously you lack any compassion or morals
If you like to blame the victim for their own death, go right ahead
Did she deserve to die to stop that perpetrator, NO !!!
Sounds like you love collateral damages, you can join the rest of the sick sociopaths who are ok with the murder of innocent people and children especially
Again if you are ok with collateral damage and since war sucks, you should tell all those people who die at 9/11 and the Boston bombing cause they deserve it since WAR sucks and collateral damage is ok in wars btw two government and you are the sad pawn and peasant who have no control.
Posted 05 August 2014 - 01:03 PM
Sounds like you blame the innocent person for being at the wrong place at the wrong time.
Not at all. I'm blaming the aggressor for putting the innocent person in harm's way. In the case of your news story, the hostage-taker. In the case of Gaza, Hamas. It's tragic that someone else had to die for the aggressor's behavior but that's why the aggressor needs to be eliminated -- because they don't care for anything or anyone but their own wants.
Not a difficult concept.