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#22921 nightc1   CAG Veteran CAGiversary!   2513 Posts   Joined 13.7 Years Ago  

Posted 15 March 2019 - 03:59 PM

The LRG vs Badlands story is here if anyone is interested: https://www.gamesind...-retail-release

 

They say they are in the hole for a total of 120K on the release since they had to pay for production a second time... but there are 6000 copies ... which unless my math is wrong here... that means they need to sell each copy for $20 to break even.  It's odd they ballyhoo that they won't break even when the numbers say that's clearly a lie as they should be rolling in money with this release even with the losses.   Looking at that CE... it's likely $60 or more... at $60 they'll clear $360,000 and minus the $120,000 loss between badland and the second production... they'll make $240,000.  Even if they just sell it for $30 (yeah right)... that's the debt wiped and $60,000 profit.



#22922 astrotide   CAG Veteran CAGiversary!   52 Posts   Joined 11.4 Years Ago  

astrotide

Posted 15 March 2019 - 04:02 PM

Please forgive me, for I have sinned...

 

I wasn't familiar with A Hole New World so I went ahead and bought the digital version for $2.49 to try it out.

 

I didn't mean it!



#22923 Edzo04   CAG Veteran CAGiversary!   448 Posts   Joined 6.6 Years Ago  

Posted 15 March 2019 - 04:14 PM

The LRG vs Badlands story is here if anyone is interested: https://www.gamesind...-retail-release

They say they are in the hole for a total of 120K on the release since they had to pay for production a second time... but there are 6000 copies ... which unless my math is wrong here... that means they need to sell each copy for $20 to break even. It's odd they ballyhoo that they won't break even when the numbers say that's clearly a lie as they should be rolling in money with this release even with the losses. Looking at that CE... it's likely $60 or more... at $60 they'll clear $360,000 and minus the $120,000 loss between badland and the second production... they'll make $240,000. Even if they just sell it for $30 (yeah right)... that's the debt wiped and $60,000 profit.

They dont get 100% of the money as the developer is part of this too. We dont know the split or other costs and have no reason to be upset by any of this. I swear you people are deliberately trying to be outraged by LRG

#22924 dnl2ba   Inadvertent collector CAGiversary!   447 Posts   Joined 4.8 Years Ago  

Posted 15 March 2019 - 04:18 PM

The LRG vs Badlands story is here if anyone is interested: https://www.gamesind...-retail-release

 

They say they are in the hole for a total of 120K on the release since they had to pay for production a second time... but there are 6000 copies ... which unless my math is wrong here... that means they need to sell each copy for $20 to break even.  It's odd they ballyhoo that they won't break even when the numbers say that's clearly a lie as they should be rolling in money with this release even with the losses.   Looking at that CE... it's likely $60 or more... at $60 they'll clear $360,000 and minus the $120,000 loss between badland and the second production... they'll make $240,000.  Even if they just sell it for $30 (yeah right)... that's the debt wiped and $60,000 profit.

Came here to post the same article.

 

They expected to pay $78K for 6,000 copies, so that was originally $13 per unit. If it's now $120,000 for 6,000 copies, that's $20 per unit. That doesn't count overhead (office, staff, Shopify fees, web hosting, etc.), so they might still be in the hole.

 

If LRG charges $60+, they would probably have a hard time selling 6,000 units. The Wii U base is small compared to PS4 (but on par with Vita), and there are only so many Wii U collectors who are willing to pay a premium and probably double-dip.



#22925 bojay1997   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   6124 Posts   Joined 15.3 Years Ago  

Posted 15 March 2019 - 04:27 PM

Came here to post the same article.

 

They expected to pay $78K for 6,000 copies, so that was originally $13 per unit. If it's now $120,000 for 6,000 copies, that's $20 per unit. That doesn't count overhead (office, staff, Shopify fees, web hosting, etc.), so they might still be in the hole.

 

If LRG charges $60+, they would probably have a hard time selling 6,000 units. The Wii U base is small compared to PS4 (but on par with Vita), and there are only so many Wii U collectors who are willing to pay a premium and probably double-dip.

Not to mention the region lock which is going to kill sales outside of North America.  



#22926 chrislaustin   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   6944 Posts   Joined 13.2 Years Ago  

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Posted 15 March 2019 - 04:33 PM

If LRG charges $60+, they would probably have a hard time selling 6,000 units. The Wii U base is small compared to PS4 (but on par with Vita), and there are only so many Wii U collectors who are willing to pay a premium and probably double-dip.

Yeah, I don't see the sell through for this title at all, unless it's greatly discounted at some point, as the market is just not there. It's great they still decided to bring it to the table, but sometimes you just have to take the loss and move on.

 

Not to mention the region lock which is going to kill sales outside of North America.  

Yeah, this is a very real problem as well, which is also going to greatly reduce potential sells, no doubt. Unless of course they had the option to make the disc region free, but I don't know if that's possible for the Wii U.



#22927 Equippt  

Posted 15 March 2019 - 04:43 PM

They dont get 100% of the money as the developer is part of this too. We dont know the split and have no reason to be upset by any of this. I swear you people are deliberately trying to be outraged by LRG

This is all speculation on my part, but I'll explain myself.

In the past, LRG has made it clear that they offer the devs they work with the same profit margins as the digital versions of their games. Axiom Verge goes for $20 on Steam, which means after Valve's 30% cut that each copy sold actually nets Tom Happ (and whomever else) $14. Shopify charges a % plus a flat rate per transaction and PayPal (or whatever CC company) charges another %, which together probably amounts to another 4-5% of sales.

None of these numbers are official of course. LRG may have different deals with any of these parties, but it makes for an easy place to start a conversation. Along with the $120,000 figure from the article, they probably have to sell these at ~$40 just to break even. And that's assuming they sell all 6000 copies.

So yeah, I don't blame them for being a little ornery with BadLand!

#22928 nightc1   CAG Veteran CAGiversary!   2513 Posts   Joined 13.7 Years Ago  

Posted 15 March 2019 - 04:43 PM

They dont get 100% of the money as the developer is part of this too. We dont know the split or other costs and have no reason to be upset by any of this. I swear you people are deliberately trying to be outraged by LRG

They made the deal second deal directly with Thomas Happ for what the monetary split would be.  If the deal was so bad that they were going to lose money on it, why would they forge a new contract with the developer and throw money away?   It makes no sense that they are losing money on this deal regardless of their desire to preserve this game in physical form.

 

Additionally Badlands has expressed they want to pay the money back to LRG and has tried for a while to make that happen but LRG won't agree to take payments on the debt while they get their company back on it's feet.   If LRG will talk to Badlands and get a payment schedule going then they could get that money back.

 

Yeah, I don't see the sell through for this title at all, unless it's greatly discounted at some point, as the market is just not there. It's great they still decided to bring it to the table, but sometimes you just have to take the loss and move on.

I think this with pretty much every release LRG does, especially the games that I see as very low quality (Kemco RPG's for instance).  It'll be interesting to see if this is another sellout with resellers wanting one of the last WiiU physical games and collectors looking to add to their complete collections (which this is one of the easier systems to collect for).   My guess is, it'll sellout just like how people flocked to get their copies of Devil's Third.



#22929 bojay1997   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   6124 Posts   Joined 15.3 Years Ago  

Posted 15 March 2019 - 05:23 PM

They made the deal second deal directly with Thomas Happ for what the monetary split would be.  If the deal was so bad that they were going to lose money on it, why would they forge a new contract with the developer and throw money away?   It makes no sense that they are losing money on this deal regardless of their desire to preserve this game in physical form.

 

Additionally Badlands has expressed they want to pay the money back to LRG and has tried for a while to make that happen but LRG won't agree to take payments on the debt while they get their company back on it's feet.   If LRG will talk to Badlands and get a payment schedule going then they could get that money back.

 

I think this with pretty much every release LRG does, especially the games that I see as very low quality (Kemco RPG's for instance).  It'll be interesting to see if this is another sellout with resellers wanting one of the last WiiU physical games and collectors looking to add to their complete collections (which this is one of the easier systems to collect for).   My guess is, it'll sellout just like how people flocked to get their copies of Devil's Third.

Badlands literally stole $78K from LRG and did nothing to make it right until a lawsuit was filed and litigated at LRG's sole expense.  Now you expect LRG to just patiently wait around until Badlands somehow comes up with a payment plan?  I mean, have you ever been in a business dispute?  You literally know nothing about what LRG has agreed to pay the developer or what sales will be like or what total production costs will be and yet here you are speculating that this is all an elaborate fraud to garner sympathy and that they will still be wildly profitable on the release.  Disgusting as always.  



#22930 Richard Kain   The Kaiser CAGiversary!   2658 Posts   Joined 11.6 Years Ago  

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Posted 15 March 2019 - 05:25 PM

Yeah, I don't see the sell through for this title at all, unless it's greatly discounted at some point, as the market is just not there.

 

You're kidding, right? After seeing what the Vita sales have been like recently, do you honestly think no one will show up for one of the very last Wii U physical copies to exist? Systems that are already dead do not make for less demand on collectible games. And a lot of the recent Vita games haven't even been that notable. Axiom Verge is extremely well known, and its Wii U release has been rumored for years. They could sell out 6000 copies blindfolded and with both hands tied behind their back. It won't even be a challenge.

 

The Wii U had a very small install base. But it is now one of Nintendo's most collectible systems. Prices for new-in-box Wii U's have already skyrocketed. This time next year game prices for the Wii U are going to be sky-high. The LRG release of Axiom Verge will sell out in minutes, if not seconds.



#22931 bojay1997   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   6124 Posts   Joined 15.3 Years Ago  

Posted 15 March 2019 - 05:32 PM

You're kidding, right? After seeing what the Vita sales have been like recently, do you honestly think no one will show up for one of the very last Wii U physical copies to exist? Systems that are already dead do not make for less demand on collectible games. And a lot of the recent Vita games haven't even been that notable. Axiom Verge is extremely well known, and its Wii U release has been rumored for years. They could sell out 6000 copies blindfolded and with both hands tied behind their back. It won't even be a challenge.

 

The Wii U had a very small install base. But it is now one of Nintendo's most collectible systems. Prices for new-in-box Wii U's have already skyrocketed. This time next year game prices for the Wii U are going to be sky-high. The LRG release of Axiom Verge will sell out in minutes, if not seconds.

Not so sure about that.  Vita is region free and sales seem to continue to be driven by "full setters".  I don't know too many WiiU full setters and the region lock is going to be a deal breaker for some.  Add to that the fact that the game is multiplatform and already exists physically on the Switch in both a standard and CE and in both ESRB and European versions and you have a lot of factors reducing potential demand.  I agree that people may buy it as a novelty, but I don't see 6,000 copies going immediately.  



#22932 Renzler   Dude CAG Veteran   1314 Posts   Joined 0.8 Years Ago  

Posted 15 March 2019 - 05:41 PM

Overslept my alarm to get up for work but my 6:55am alarm worked like a charm. Grabbed bloodstained for Vita no problem, though I do dislike the new interface when you click on cart and have to wait for it to load on that page. Should just forward you to a separate cart page.

#22933 nightc1   CAG Veteran CAGiversary!   2513 Posts   Joined 13.7 Years Ago  

Posted 15 March 2019 - 06:28 PM

Badlands literally stole $78K from LRG and did nothing to make it right until a lawsuit was filed and litigated at LRG's sole expense.  Now you expect LRG to just patiently wait around until Badlands somehow comes up with a payment plan?  I mean, have you ever been in a business dispute?  You literally know nothing about what LRG has agreed to pay the developer or what sales will be like or what total production costs will be and yet here you are speculating that this is all an elaborate fraud to garner sympathy and that they will still be wildly profitable on the release.  Disgusting as always.  

That's what we do here, we speculate.  Of course when they post numbers in an article, that helps the speculation have a little foundation in facts.  I don't think they are pulling any kind of "fraud"... just milking the story for what it's worth.   If you are blind to that, cool.   I'm constantly surprised by LRG's ability to sell out of games that borderline garbage, this game is actually pretty decent... it's interesting you have no faith in them this time around.

 

I'll make a bet with you... The loser never posts in the LRG thread again (no alt accounts even) and never replies to anything the other person posts in any other threads here on CAG.   I bet LRG will sell out of this game within a month.  That is, no copies will be available to purchase from the LRG store.  This doesn't mean those that they hold for damages need to be sold, just that the ones made public are sold out.  They make it really easy to watch games sell out so it should be clear if LRG does or does not sell out.



#22934 WingsDJY   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   3509 Posts   Joined 11.7 Years Ago  

Posted 15 March 2019 - 06:51 PM

For anyone defending Badlands, read this thread. They also have not paid the developer of the game for AV sales in Europe. Not to mention, the original agreement called for some of the proceeds to be put into a trust to help cover the developer's son's medical expenses.

 



#22935 chrislaustin   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   6944 Posts   Joined 13.2 Years Ago  

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Posted 15 March 2019 - 07:07 PM

You're kidding, right? After seeing what the Vita sales have been like recently, do you honestly think no one will show up for one of the very last Wii U physical copies to exist? Systems that are already dead do not make for less demand on collectible games. And a lot of the recent Vita games haven't even been that notable. Axiom Verge is extremely well known, and its Wii U release has been rumored for years. They could sell out 6000 copies blindfolded and with both hands tied behind their back. It won't even be a challenge.

 

The Wii U had a very small install base. But it is now one of Nintendo's most collectible systems. Prices for new-in-box Wii U's have already skyrocketed. This time next year game prices for the Wii U are going to be sky-high. The LRG release of Axiom Verge will sell out in minutes, if not seconds.

Ummmm, NO!

 

Unlike most people around here, my comment came from actual experience of selling Wii U games once the NS had already taken off, and that market is all but dead, except for the most rare of titles. Could AV be a anomaly, sure, anything is possible, but a quick search of Ebay today shows game prices for most big name games are $20 and under(new and sealed). The "N" branded ones which never see retail drops, are in the same boat, as the market went to the NS. The market looks worse now than it did about a year ago when I sold games, as Splatoon and DKC & MK where still in the $30 range.

 

Yes, the system is selling at high prices, as it's the system and that has nothing to do with the games. Most Wii U sold to young kids, and got beat to shit, so the market for collectors is very small for new inventory are like new condition. Games rarely if ever fall in that category unless demand is high and qty's are low. I think if the Wii U was region free, they would still have a hard time moving 6000 games, but like I said, I could be wrong and stranger shit has happened.

 

Comparing the Vita to the Wii U is apples to oranges, as one was well beloved and got support to even this day, while the other only had 1st party support, and they even threw in the towel. The Vita is region free and has many games produced in low qtys, and I can speak to this as well, as I sold most of my collection a few months ago, and did amazing for some stuff, and couldn't give standard US released games away. I'm actually getting ready to relist my unsold stuff, as the Vita market has gotten silly within the last few months and I may do better at this point. But a quick look at Ebay shows the Wii U market and besides systems, and a rare game or two, you cant give those games away anymore.



#22936 bojay1997   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   6124 Posts   Joined 15.3 Years Ago  

Posted 15 March 2019 - 07:08 PM

That's what we do here, we speculate.  Of course when they post numbers in an article, that helps the speculation have a little foundation in facts.  I don't think they are pulling any kind of "fraud"... just milking the story for what it's worth.   If you are blind to that, cool.   I'm constantly surprised by LRG's ability to sell out of games that borderline garbage, this game is actually pretty decent... it's interesting you have no faith in them this time around.

 

I'll make a bet with you... The loser never posts in the LRG thread again (no alt accounts even) and never replies to anything the other person posts in any other threads here on CAG.   I bet LRG will sell out of this game within a month.  That is, no copies will be available to purchase from the LRG store.  This doesn't mean those that they hold for damages need to be sold, just that the ones made public are sold out.  They make it really easy to watch games sell out so it should be clear if LRG does or does not sell out.

I would suggest you read the follow-up from the guy that helped the developer with the deal with Badlands and tell me if you think they deserve any sympathy.  It doesn't get much lower than stealing from a profoundly disabled child and their family.  Also, I don't recall any LRG game remaining on the site for more than a week or so, unless it's an open preorder, so your bet is silly.  Could they sell out eventually?  Maybe, but with 6,000 copies I'm not very optimistic and I think LRG would probably pull the game prior to sell out rather than having it sit on their store for an eternity.  



#22937 Sigma   King of Strong Style CAGiversary!   4000 Posts   Joined 14.7 Years Ago  

Posted 15 March 2019 - 07:13 PM

Axiom Verge on Wii U will absolutely sell out quickly, but I don't think it will go nearly as fast as some people think it will. Compared to the PS4, Vita, and Switch the Wii U is in a hell of a lot fewer households than all of the other consoles mentioned and unlike the Vita the Wii U was bought by a lot of families who are not as likely to be interested in a limited release of Axiom Verge on the system they probably have in a closet somewhere. 

 

The Wii U will inevitably go up in price and has started to already, but the games, for the most part, are still very cheap. 



#22938 phoenixlau   backlogged CAGiversary!   508 Posts   Joined 7.1 Years Ago  

Posted 15 March 2019 - 07:16 PM

Wow, Badland is shady AF.  I get stressed out when Amazon/Ebay sellers don't reply to refund requests for $5 CDs, I can't even imagine what kind of nightmare it would be for some scammer to just gank $78k of your money and go completely radio silent for months. 

 

And then the convoluted "explanation" where all the money/property mysteriously moves from shell company A to shell company B, LOL.  Then they have the gall to complain that LRG just needs to trust them bro?  After no delivery of product or refund for over a year?



#22939 chrislaustin   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   6944 Posts   Joined 13.2 Years Ago  

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Posted 15 March 2019 - 07:17 PM

I would suggest you read the follow-up from the guy that helped the developer with the deal with Badlands and tell me if you think they deserve any sympathy.  It doesn't get much lower than stealing from a profoundly disabled child and their family.  Also, I don't recall any LRG game remaining on the site for more than a week or so, unless it's an open preorder, so your bet is silly.  Could they sell out eventually?  Maybe, but with 6,000 copies I'm not very optimistic and I think LRG would probably pull the game prior to sell out rather than having it sit on their store for an eternity.  

Yeah, that was the main reason I bought a few copies, was for the support to Tom Happ and his son. Reading shit like this makes my blood boil, as besides being a great and amazing game, it was to help out a family situation no one should have to go through. Sadly, there is always someone out there willing to take advantage, or get what isn't due because of some sense of entitlement, but it is what it is. I may buy a copy now just to show support again, since my original good will went to crooks. So I'm now hoping I'm wrong, and this does sell through ASAP, so those involved can see some return on this completely Fuck up situation.



#22940 Richard Kain   The Kaiser CAGiversary!   2658 Posts   Joined 11.6 Years Ago  

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Posted 15 March 2019 - 07:35 PM

Comparing the Vita to the Wii U is apples to oranges, as one was well beloved and got support to even this day, while the other only had 1st party support, and they even threw in the towel.

 

I would argue that the Wii U was well beloved as well, just by a smaller, more niche audience. Out of the 15+ million Wii-U owners, I'm certainly willing to think that at least 6000 of them were collectors. In fact, I'm willing to bet that a LOT of them are collectors, the Wii U was the platform that initially launched Amiibos, after all. The current after-market for Wii U games may be soft, but the upcoming LRG release of Axiom verge isn't an after-market sale. And every system goes through a soft period in the after-market after they've become obsolete. This effect is usually enhanced when the system in question did not sell well, and its successor does.

 

But all of these factors speak far more to trends for mainstream sales, not direct demand from a collector/enthusiast market. The demand for Wii U titles in the after-market are soft because of the timing of its system's exit from the market, broad availability and supply of many of its most popular titles, an aggressive collector market that has had numerous years and opportunities to already flesh out their collections, and the successor system getting plenty of ports of the Wii U's most popular games. Casual gamers aren't going to show up for a Wii U title like this from LRG. But enthusiasts are. And collectors definitely are.

 

Think about it for a second. This might be the last physical Wii U game, period. Even the next iteration of Just Dance might not see a Wii U release. This could be the last Wii U game to ever be printed. As a collector piece its worth showing up for just for that. It will also likely be the only LRG Wii U release. Maybe, MAYBE we see one more, perhaps two. But I wouldn't be holding my breath. It's far more likely that this will be the only one. The only Wii U title with the LRG logo printed on it. Again, for a lot of collectors it will be worth showing up just for that. And on top of all of this, the game itself is actually good, a critical darling with a strong response from reviewers and fans alike.

 

Mindshare and exposure are often more important than just numbers to this community. Axiom Verge has plenty of mindshare and exposure. And there are more Wii U fans out there than you realize.



#22941 sammiefry  

Posted 15 March 2019 - 07:43 PM

I have been excited for Axiom Verge on the Wii U. The reason I joined the mailing list was because of this game. I don’t have much experience with LRG besides Toe Jam. I will get it when it goes up I just hope it’s not something that sells out in a min or two. Glad 90% of the money is going to Tom his son and his partner.

#22942 WingsDJY   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   3509 Posts   Joined 11.7 Years Ago  

Posted 15 March 2019 - 08:30 PM

Ummmm, NO!

 

Unlike most people around here, my comment came from actual experience of selling Wii U games once the NS had already taken off, and that market is all but dead, except for the most rare of titles. Could AV be a anomaly, sure, anything is possible, but a quick search of Ebay today shows game prices for most big name games are $20 and under(new and sealed). The "N" branded ones which never see retail drops, are in the same boat, as the market went to the NS. The market looks worse now than it did about a year ago when I sold games, as Splatoon and DKC & MK where still in the $30 range.

I think the market dropped out for the Nintendo developed Wii U games because most of them ended up getting ported to Switch. If they would just finish porting a handful of titles (namely the Zelda HD Remasters), I could put the console away in storage for good.



#22943 chrislaustin   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   6944 Posts   Joined 13.2 Years Ago  

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Posted 15 March 2019 - 08:43 PM

I think the market dropped out for the Nintendo developed Wii U games because most of them ended up getting ported to Switch. If they would just finish porting a handful of titles (namely the Zelda HD Remasters), I could put the console away in storage for good.

Yeah, this is a HUGE reason for why the market is like it is, as even my son never touches his Wii U anymore, as most of his favorite games he has on the NS. Of course there is a Wii U's collector's market, as it had such a small library, it's more easy to collect for than most. But just just based on most of what I've seen here from so called fans over the years, most sold their systems for an NS and never looked back.



#22944 Ekim000   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   510 Posts   Joined 13.6 Years Ago  

Posted 15 March 2019 - 09:18 PM

I'll make a bet with you... 

Counter bet: I can go longer not posting in this forum than you. 

 

I have a feeling that's a bet most of us would like to see play out...



#22945 sammiefry  

Posted 15 March 2019 - 09:27 PM

Limited run just posted on Twitter the Wii U multiverse version is $40 wow I expect it to be much more.

#22946 Jhingles  

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Posted 15 March 2019 - 10:07 PM

Yay, finally managed to lock in an NSW LE of CotM a couple seconds before it sold out.  I swear it takes skill to make massively overpaying for a game feel like winning the lottery!



#22947 Nothing-   Tomorrow King - Interloper Kai CAGiversary!   8012 Posts   Joined 7.5 Years Ago  

Posted 15 March 2019 - 10:07 PM

I don't see the Wii U taking off as becoming a highly collectable system for one reason mainly:  Nintendo is publishing most of its notable games on the Switch again. 

 

If those games were never to be seen again on another console then yes, I'd think that the demand would shoot up for it in the collector's market during the following years.   But that's not the case.  The Switch also performs better. 

 

Mostly, the reason a niche of people care about something like the Sega Saturn is because of its unique games. 



#22948 slainviper  

Posted 15 March 2019 - 10:12 PM

I refreshed the page for Bloodstained vita as soon as the timer hit zero and still couldn't get it. I was logged in and used Paypal too. Same thing happened to me with Rabi-Ribi.



#22949 Querjek   Thirty Seven CAGiversary!   2136 Posts   Joined 15.4 Years Ago  

Posted 15 March 2019 - 10:18 PM

I refreshed the page for Bloodstained vita as soon as the timer hit zero and still couldn't get it. I was logged in and used Paypal too. Same thing happened to me with Rabi-Ribi.

Same thing happened to me



#22950 astrotide   CAG Veteran CAGiversary!   52 Posts   Joined 11.4 Years Ago  

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Posted 15 March 2019 - 10:23 PM

I refreshed the page for Bloodstained vita as soon as the timer hit zero and still couldn't get it. I was logged in and used Paypal too. Same thing happened to me with Rabi-Ribi.

I decided to go for it. The collector's edition went live right on the minute, standard took almost 30 seconds to go live. I had to wait in the shopify queue for about 10 seconds, completed order with autofill, and I still had over a minute (probably 75 seconds) to refresh both vita pages to watch as the counters dropped to 0.

 

Which part slowed you down? I have never tried paypal to pay, just straight credit card via checkout, was that the slow part?