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#61 moojuice   False? CAGiversary!   4393 Posts   Joined 14.8 Years Ago  

Posted 14 September 2016 - 01:26 AM

I'll be on



#62 TheN8torious   Shhh...I'm Invisible CAGiversary!   16931 Posts   Joined 12.5 Years Ago  

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Posted 14 September 2016 - 05:37 PM

All right, time to get mathematical on these HUT sets. As I said before, the carbon collectibles are going to be the biggest PITA (at least getting started, since they're worth more than any card in those early sets).

 

Right now, it seems that you can buy one on the AH for about 41K. But as Rob said, you can also go the upgrade route and turn gold collectibles into carbon collectibles. You can turn in your gold coaches, logos, jerseys, or arenas (each separately) to earn a gold collectible. It takes 10 of each item to yield 1 gold collectible though. And it takes 10 gold collectibles to yield 1 carbon collectible. Meaning...you'd need 100 gold coach/logo/jersey/arena to upgrade to 1 carbon collectible.

 

So, 41,000 / 100 = 410. If you can buy 100 coach/logo/jersey/arena (that you don't need for another set) for less than 410 coins each, you'll come out ahead (with a lot more work though). Not surprisingly, this fact is really going to help these cards retain their value. None of those cards should ever sell for less than 400 (unless carbon collectible prices tank).

 

Unless you're just loaded with crappy gold coaches/logos/jerseys/arenas, I can't imagine it not being more efficient and economical to just buy the carbon collectible and move on.



#63 Outlaw1986   CAG Veteran CAGiversary!   838 Posts   Joined 6.7 Years Ago  

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Posted 15 September 2016 - 12:12 AM

Is there an easy way to see all your duplicate cards besides going through each individual set?

#64 jza1218   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   4893 Posts   Joined 15.2 Years Ago  

Posted 15 September 2016 - 12:32 AM

If there is I haven't found it.



#65 Outlaw1986   CAG Veteran CAGiversary!   838 Posts   Joined 6.7 Years Ago  

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Posted 15 September 2016 - 12:52 AM

I usually sell my duplicates as I open the packs, but now I decided to save my coaches, arenas, jerseys, and teams and stuff for carbon collectible things. But I don't want to accidently give up the ones I don't have a double of. And I got a few player duplicates mixed in somewhere. Got a Malkin off the packs I bought today! Probably my best player so far. After I open these last 5 packs in a bit I'll start completing the easiest team sets.

#66 mvp828   It's not CAGers Dammit CAGs CAGiversary!   2574 Posts   Joined 13.4 Years Ago  

Posted 15 September 2016 - 12:05 PM

All right, time to get mathematical on these HUT sets. As I said before, the carbon collectibles are going to be the biggest PITA (at least getting started, since they're worth more than any card in those early sets).

Right now, it seems that you can buy one on the AH for about 41K. But as Rob said, you can also go the upgrade route and turn gold collectibles into carbon collectibles. You can turn in your gold coaches, logos, jerseys, or arenas (each separately) to earn a gold collectible. It takes 10 of each item to yield 1 gold collectible though. And it takes 10 gold collectibles to yield 1 carbon collectible. Meaning...you'd need 100 gold coach/logo/jersey/arena to upgrade to 1 carbon collectible.

So, 41,000 / 100 = 410. If you can buy 100 coach/logo/jersey/arena (that you don't need for another set) for less than 410 coins each, you'll come out ahead (with a lot more work though). Not surprisingly, this fact is really going to help these cards retain their value. None of those cards should ever sell for less than 400 (unless carbon collectible prices tank).

Unless you're just loaded with crappy gold coaches/logos/jerseys/arenas, I can't imagine it not being more efficient and economical to just buy the carbon collectible and move on.

Here's a pretty good list I found on Reddit.
https://www.reddit.c...d_collectibles/

On a side note EA is trolling me. Two of my best pulls so far have been players from the Fuckhawks and Shittsburgh. Seabrook and Kessel. I'm thinking I might try to complete those since the rest are fairly doable for those collections... Although I'm not sure how much Fleury, Crawford, and Panarin are going for.

I really want to get Shanahan though. I've heard he's a monster. LaFontaine is supposed to be pretty good too. I used Giguere in Draft Champions, and he's a wall.

#67 TheN8torious   Shhh...I'm Invisible CAGiversary!   16931 Posts   Joined 12.5 Years Ago  

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Posted 15 September 2016 - 03:35 PM

Here's a pretty good list I found on Reddit.
https://www.reddit.c...d_collectibles/

On a side note EA is trolling me. Two of my best pulls so far have been players from the Fuckhawks and Shittsburgh. Seabrook and Kessel. I'm thinking I might try to complete those since the rest are fairly doable for those collections... Although I'm not sure how much Fleury, Crawford, and Panarin are going for.

I really want to get Shanahan though. I've heard he's a monster. LaFontaine is supposed to be pretty good too. I used Giguere in Draft Champions, and he's a wall.

It's funny, I did the same thing as the guy who made the list and missed the 3rd page for Vancouver. Dammit...3 CC and 7 gold for that one. And it's STILL one of the cheaper sets to do. But when you can just buy Linden for 200K, I really don't see what the point is. You almost HAVE to sell the reward otherwise, completing each set puts you in a huge hole (spending 200K+ for each one).

 

At least the way they did it last year, with not being able to trade the reward pack cards, whatever you pulled was your reward, and you could resell the cards it took to complete the collection. With this system, you either need to have A LOT of coins or sell the Hero card and start over every time.



#68 Vulcan2422   Merchandiser With The Mouth CAGiversary!   5206 Posts   Joined 12.5 Years Ago  

Posted 15 September 2016 - 04:27 PM

After all the packs I've opened. I've gotten about 10 left, But I have already gotten 10 CC's. Tempted to just trade them in for coins.

#69 TheN8torious   Shhh...I'm Invisible CAGiversary!   16931 Posts   Joined 12.5 Years Ago  

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Posted 15 September 2016 - 04:33 PM

That's the problem...I don't really see any reason not to. Selling the CC's (and other cards) and just buying those Hero cards seems like less of a headache than going through the trouble of completing the set. The only real allure I'm feeling is just the idea of "playing the game the right way" or doing it as a challenge (are there even achievements for completing sets?)

 

Other than that though, there doesn't seem to be any real benefit to finishing a set. It's going to cost just as much as buying the card outright. So, the game isn't really rewarding you for your effort at all.



#70 TheN8torious   Shhh...I'm Invisible CAGiversary!   16931 Posts   Joined 12.5 Years Ago  

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Posted 15 September 2016 - 05:31 PM

Just got cheated out of the four draft champion collectible cards. Won the final game, clicked "claim reward", HUT loaded, and popped the daily coin bonus reward. But when I went to redeem my DC cards, they were nowhere to be found. I even went back to the main menu several times to try to let HUT reload and checked my collection directly, and it says "no items found". Fucking wonderful. Played those 4 games for absolutely nothing.

 

EDIT - Dashed the game and restarted and now the collectible pack is there. I don't understand why it's so slow. This has happened to me when trying to add cards to the Vancouver set too. It would show the card in my collection, but when I'd try to add it to the set, it says "no cards". So freaking annoying.



#71 TheN8torious   Shhh...I'm Invisible CAGiversary!   16931 Posts   Joined 12.5 Years Ago  

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Posted 15 September 2016 - 06:05 PM

Pulled a Anton Stralman (86) and Brad Richardson (84) from the DC rewards...not too bad. Stralman goes for about 1,200 coins though. So, in general, it's probably more productive to just play HUT games and use the coins you earn. I did pull that Letang on my first try though...so that still makes it tempting.

 

Also, Gary, definitely sell those carbon cards. There's only 17 on the entire auction house right now. The last sold price is 48K...and there's a few on there for 45K, but I can't imagine prices won't go up. EA has such a log jam right now. This is when they should be doing special packs. Nobody has anything right now. Jerseys themselves are selling for 5-6K and higher. Some jerseys there's only 3 of, and people are asking like 200K for them (of course, nobody is buying them). But it's just a clusterfuck right now with no supply of anything.

 

For example, there are 96 Ryan Miller cards (85 OVR)...and his price is 600 coins. But there are only 11 Andrey Pedan cards (79 OVR)...so his prices are around 4K (unless you find a low bid auction and go to battle with somebody). The Auction House is just a mess.



#72 TheN8torious   Shhh...I'm Invisible CAGiversary!   16931 Posts   Joined 12.5 Years Ago  

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Posted 16 September 2016 - 01:53 AM

post-pre-post hockey?



#73 TheN8torious   Shhh...I'm Invisible CAGiversary!   16931 Posts   Joined 12.5 Years Ago  

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Posted 16 September 2016 - 03:01 AM

Can't wait until these are in NHL. Maybe next year. :lol:

 

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#74 Vulcan2422   Merchandiser With The Mouth CAGiversary!   5206 Posts   Joined 12.5 Years Ago  

Posted 16 September 2016 - 03:57 AM

Controller Support. It's amazing.

It's the UWP they shut down.

https://www.reddit.c...x_on_your_xbox/

#75 mvp828   It's not CAGers Dammit CAGs CAGiversary!   2574 Posts   Joined 13.4 Years Ago  

Posted 16 September 2016 - 12:43 PM

Just opened my pre-order and deluxe edition packs... Kronwall, Goligoski, Ryan, and Nash. Thanks EA.

#76 Outlaw1986   CAG Veteran CAGiversary!   838 Posts   Joined 6.7 Years Ago  

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Posted 16 September 2016 - 02:21 PM

Is there any point into collecting all the east and west all star jerseys and the coaches? Do you get anything for completing those collections? I was thinking of just trading them all in towards the carbon collectible things wether I have a duplicate or not.

#77 TheN8torious   Shhh...I'm Invisible CAGiversary!   16931 Posts   Joined 12.5 Years Ago  

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Posted 16 September 2016 - 03:45 PM

Ok, I decided to get to the nitty gritty with these damn sets and break down the actual math. Now, obviously, this could change if the HUT market ever regulates itself. But for the time being, this illustrates how you are actually costing yourself more by doing these sets. It literally makes more economic sense to just sell the cards and buy the player outright.

 

I don't think there's an easier team to do than Vancouver. I'm open to suggestions, but I was drawn to them by how totally worthless their players are. Sadly, this is offset by the ridiculous prices on jerseys and the inflation caused by the collectibles.

 

Vancouver Canucks Set

 

Edler - 700

Eriksson - 1,200

Miller - 500

H. Sedin - 6,250

D. Sedin - 6,250

Burrows - 500

Hansen - 500

Dorsett - 350

Larsen - 1,000

Markstrom - 800

Sutter - 1,200

Sbisa - 1,000

Etem - 250

Gudbranson - 750

Baertschi - 250

Gaunce - 1,500

Pedan - 1,500

Biega - 1,050

Tanev - 1,300

Horvat - 600

Grenier - 2,650

Granlund - 350

Virtanen - 400

Hutton - 200

 

TOTAL = 31,050

 

Arena - 500

H. Jersey - 1,650

A. Jersey - 2,500

H. Jersey - 1,750

A. Jersey - 2,444

H. Jersey - 500

A. Jersey - 1,500

H. Jersey - 2,000

A. Jersey - 1,400

H. Jersey - 200

H. Jersey - 8,950

H. Jersey - 1,900

A. Jersey - 3,300

Logo - 500

 

TOTAL - 29,094

 

Carbon Collectible (x3) - 40,000

Gold Collectible (x7) - 4,200

 

TOTAL - 149,400

 

COMPLETE SET TOTAL - 209,544

 

Last sold price on 94 OVR HUT Hero Trevor Linden card - 183,000



#78 TheN8torious   Shhh...I'm Invisible CAGiversary!   16931 Posts   Joined 12.5 Years Ago  

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Posted 16 September 2016 - 04:19 PM

I posted the above on Reddit and learned that you get an additional untradeable Hero Collectible card for completing sets. The assumption is that these cards will go into a set down the road to give you a REALLY good reward. Still seems iffy to me if that justify going through all the work and possibly losing coins to do the sets though. It's really going to depend on if the jersey prices and low level player prices come back down to Earth. Hard to know since you have to turn the cards in though.



#79 TheN8torious   Shhh...I'm Invisible CAGiversary!   16931 Posts   Joined 12.5 Years Ago  

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Posted 16 September 2016 - 04:24 PM

Also, The Crew is free on PC through Uplay if anybody wants it on there.

 

https://club.ubisoft.com/en-US/ubi30



#80 moojuice   False? CAGiversary!   4393 Posts   Joined 14.8 Years Ago  

Posted 16 September 2016 - 09:17 PM

I think its still hard to make a final call on it now, solely due to how early into the game's life we are. Movember will naturally cause a surge in card quantity, as will pack specials.



#81 TheN8torious   Shhh...I'm Invisible CAGiversary!   16931 Posts   Joined 12.5 Years Ago  

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Posted 16 September 2016 - 10:22 PM

I think its still hard to make a final call on it now, solely due to how early into the game's life we are. Movember will naturally cause a surge in card quantity, as will pack specials.

I mean, yeah...that's fair, for sure. It's just odd that some cards have totals around 100 already...while others have less than 10. And it's not the higher rated players with the lower numbers. The distribution just seems off.



#82 moojuice   False? CAGiversary!   4393 Posts   Joined 14.8 Years Ago  

Posted 17 September 2016 - 12:26 AM

Part of it might be how they're making it where everyone 85 our higher is rare now, combined with the fact that only players are rare (I think), is throwing off the balance.

#83 Vulcan2422   Merchandiser With The Mouth CAGiversary!   5206 Posts   Joined 12.5 Years Ago  

Posted 17 September 2016 - 03:53 AM

Till we meet again Dover Harde

#84 Outlaw1986   CAG Veteran CAGiversary!   838 Posts   Joined 6.7 Years Ago  

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Posted 17 September 2016 - 08:30 AM

I was about to do Vancouver, had every card. Was thinking I had plenty of extra jerseys and stuff to trade in to do a set. But maybe I got enough common stuff I realized I would trade in to get 1 or 1 and a half carbon. So I started selling all my Vancouver stuff and going for St. Louis since I actually want Hull and MacInnis.

#85 mvp828   It's not CAGers Dammit CAGs CAGiversary!   2574 Posts   Joined 13.4 Years Ago  

Posted 18 September 2016 - 01:19 AM

I'm debating going for Blake. I pulled a Carter today, so of the high ones I just need Muzzin. Three CCs isn't too bad.

I need to get a Zetty to do Shanahan since I have all the rest except Nyquist.

I listed a WC collectible earlier which sell for 100k... so we'll see if that sold.

#86 TheN8torious   Shhh...I'm Invisible CAGiversary!   16931 Posts   Joined 12.5 Years Ago  

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Posted 18 September 2016 - 01:40 AM

Yeah, some of us had worse luck yesterday. Both me and Alan had unopened packs that we were saving for when there was a special pack (the real idea was saving till Movember cards were out)...and when we got on yesterday, they were gone. I lost 10 gold jumbo packs and Alan lost 8. We learned that apparently, some packs have an expiration date which shows when you click on them and are at the "open now/open later" screen.

 

We had no idea, and there was no warning. Just hundreds of cards completely wiped away.



#87 DarkTower80   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   1457 Posts   Joined 14.5 Years Ago  

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Posted 18 September 2016 - 02:01 AM

https://www.reddit.c...s_ea_help_rant/



#88 kidrocklive   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   2223 Posts   Joined 11.8 Years Ago  

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Posted 18 September 2016 - 01:54 PM

I usually just play online matches against my friend but I am wanting to try the eashl mode out as I've never played it before. Can i still join?

#89 TheN8torious   Shhh...I'm Invisible CAGiversary!   16931 Posts   Joined 12.5 Years Ago  

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Posted 18 September 2016 - 04:45 PM

So, my connection just went to complete shit last night. Must have been a Comcast thing because cycling modem/router did nothing and it's just randomly better this morning. I really hope Google Fiber gets their stuff approved for the quicker installs. Last I read, it passed the first two votes, but has to pass a third time to be official (why?)

 

In other news, I opened a support ticket with EA about my missing packs. The guy asked when it happened and what my gamertag was. So, hopefully that was for some actual purpose and not just going through the motions. He said the situation has to go through the specialist team though and they would contact me later. We'll see how this plays out.



#90 TheN8torious   Shhh...I'm Invisible CAGiversary!   16931 Posts   Joined 12.5 Years Ago  

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Posted 18 September 2016 - 04:47 PM

I usually just play online matches against my friend but I am wanting to try the eashl mode out as I've never played it before. Can i still join?

Sure, if people are on and there's an open spot. Those are basically the only two requirements. Friday nights we're usually pretty full. But most likely, any other day you see people playing EASHL, there's probably a spot open.