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Looks Like I Got Ripped Off $230...NEW UPDATE: Wednesday Is His Last Chance...


#1 oNeWiNgEdAnGeL   ROCKDOOMFLOW CAGiversary!   863 Posts   Joined 15.2 Years Ago  

oNeWiNgEdAnGeL

Posted 12 July 2005 - 02:18 AM

I made a trade with someone over at another site. I sent a Nintendo GameCube The Legend of Zelda: Collector's Edition (game included), Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door, Ikaruga, Pikmin, Beyond Good & Evil, and SSX Tricky. I was suppose to get $230 for all this. I checked the DC, it said he got it on July 7th and he last logged onto the site on July 9th. I e-mailed then last night. I was out of town all weekend, so I couldn't speak with him. I see now that he has a BTR (Bad Trader Report) about something else.

I spoke with the site's dispute folks, and they just said to send him a polite e-mail and be patient. Now someone else he has a trade with got an e-mail from them saying that they don't think he will complete his trades.

Being the idiot that I am, I didn't get the his phone number. Being the bigger idiot that I am, the address was to a PO Box. Last, but not least, his name is fake since someone tried looking up his address and came up with no results.

Anyone have any suggestions on how to get my money back or at least my stuff?

Update #1

I called the post office in Plains, Montana. The lady said that they're not allowed to give out information without a warrant from the police. So I called the police department in Plains, Montana (took me a couple times, no one was answering) and I told my story to a dispatch. She helped me out and said an officer will check out the report. Only a few hours later, the office called me.

I told him my story. He said that Carl Crystal is his real name. He said that he would talk to him. He then told me to take him to civil court. He said to do that first thing in the morning. I asked him if he would have to come to a court where I live or I'd have to go to Montana, he said that he would have to go to a court room here. I asked what would happen if he didn't show up, he then said that there would be a warrant for his arrest.

The officer did tell me to e-mail him once last time and tell him what's going to go down. I e-mailed him and guess what? It took him 16 minutes to respond. After the many e-mails I had sent him, he finally responded. This is what I e-mailed him saying:

I just got off the phone with a police officer. He will be heading over to your house now. Tomorrow morning I will file a civil lawsuit against you and this will go to court. If you don't want any of this to happen, just e-mail me and send either my stuff back or my money. I will be waiting tonight.

He then responded by saying:

I sent the cash to ya 5-6 days ago. If ya haven't got it yet then you should shortly. I just hope that it has not been lost in the mail. thank you for your time.

Carl

I will wait until Friday to see if I get it. If I don't by then, I'll be taking this matter to court. The awesome thing is my parents have yet to realize any of this. I just want all this to be over with and I'll be sure never to make this mistake ever again. I'll keep you guys updated on what goes down.

Update #2

I decided to send another e-mail to Carl. I sent him an e-mail asking a couple questions and asking for his house and cellphone (if he has one) number. I didn't hear from him tonight, but I did hear from someone else...

The police offer called me within this past hour. He spoke with Carl, and Carl said that our agreement was cash and that he would seal the money, but I never agreed to that. I just checked our trade page, and he even said that we would be paying by money order. The police officer said that Carl would e-mail me tomorrow morning to talk about the money and what we will do.

He then said if he doesn't do anything about it, he told me to go ahead and file the civil lawsuit. Once that's done, he will be forced to show up to court where I live. If he doesn't show up, I don't know if I heard this correctly, but there will be a warrant for his arrest. Then, if he has assets, such as a truck, that will be taken and sold. Then, $230 plus the money for filing the paperwork and what have you will be taken out of the amount that the asset was sold for. So that will cover all my expenses. I finally asked the police officer that if I'm in a win-win situation and he said that I am.

So in the end, it looks like I'm victorious. I'll continue to keep you guys updated to the point where I get either my money or my stuff. For now, I'm somewhat relieved.

I forgot to mention that I explained the whole thing to my mom. She said I shouldn't have called the police over $230, but I told her this was basically fraud. She said ok. I thought she would get really pissed. I was surprised how calm she was after I told her everything. I think she would've gotten mad if I had lost the money for good.

Update #3

After sending Carl a few more e-mails within a span of 2 days, he finally responds by saying:

The reason I didn't rerspond is because I was gone. I had sent your money. If ya don't receive it by Wednesday let me know. If ya don't I can send $130 on the 7th and then the other half of it Sept. 7th

It seems very obvious that this guy is full of shit. Now, 2 days ago he had original claimed that he sent the money out 5-6 days ago. What I'm thinking is he set out the money these past few days, and that's why he said wait until Wednesday. I will wait until Wednesday, but if I don't have it by then, there is no way I'm waiting until August 7th to see if I get half of the money. If I don't have it by Wednesday, I will finally take this to civil court.

#2 JSK414   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   699 Posts   Joined 14.6 Years Ago  

Posted 12 July 2005 - 02:20 AM

Sorry to hear that, but I don't think you are gonna get your stuff back. Sorry once again.

#3 beerguy961   I'm gonna get tore up CAGiversary!   5296 Posts   Joined 14.6 Years Ago  

beerguy961

Posted 12 July 2005 - 02:21 AM

I made a trade with someone over at another site. I sent a Nintendo GameCube The Legend of Zelda: Collector's Edition (game included), Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door, Ikaruga, Pikmin, Beyond Good & Evil, and SSX Tricky. I was suppose to get $230 for all this. I checked the DC, it said he got it on July 7th and he last logged onto the site on July 9th. I e-mailed then last night. I was out of town all weekend, so I couldn't speak with him. I see now that he has a BTR (Bad Trader Report) about something else.

I spoke with the site's dispute folks, and they just said to send him a polite e-mail and be patient. Now someone else he has a trade with got an e-mail from them saying that they don't think he will complete his trades.

Being the idiot that I am, I didn't get the his phone number. Being the bigger idiot that I am, the address was to a PO Box. Last, but not least, his name is fake since someone tried looking up his address and came up with no results.

Anyone have any suggestions on how to get my money back or at least my stuff?

You got owned. btw, I wouldn't sell all that for $230. but that's just me...

#4 Quackzilla   who am i? CAGiversary!   6050 Posts   Joined 14.6 Years Ago  

Quackzilla

Posted 12 July 2005 - 02:22 AM

What site was it, does it have any insurance or trader protection?

If not, you are totally screwed, but you have learned a valuable lesson and won't do it again.


I had a similar experience, I gave EB Games $50 and they game me a crappy game that shouldn't have been more than $5.
Bastards.

#5 cag1000   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   4503 Posts   Joined 14.6 Years Ago  

Posted 12 July 2005 - 02:22 AM

wow that sux sorry man
in the future get the $$$ in your paypal before sending anything.

#6 WhipSmartBanky   Bring on the free hooch! CAGiversary!   15314 Posts   Joined 15.1 Years Ago  

WhipSmartBanky

Posted 12 July 2005 - 02:29 AM

Maybe you can get a raincheck...

:twisted:

Don't stain your pants, I'm just teasing.

#7 xeverex18   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   496 Posts   Joined 13.0 Years Ago  

Posted 12 July 2005 - 02:29 AM

What site was it, does it have any insurance or trader protection?

If not, you are totally screwed, but you have learned a valuable lesson and won't do it again.


I had a similar experience, I gave EB Games $50 and they game me a crappy game that shouldn't have been more than $5.
Bastards.

lol good one. Wow i cannot believe you first deal was for 200$+!!!! you are insane. The best you can do is get make fraud, assuming you still have the address, go to your police station tell the police what happened. Ask them to contact the local station of where the ripper resides. Most police officers understand your situation, and if your lucky, the other local police station will send their troops to the guys house and maybe you can get your stuff back.

#8 DuelLadyS   Basch Lives! CAGiversary!   2641 Posts   Joined 13.4 Years Ago  

Posted 12 July 2005 - 02:39 AM

Fake name or not, PO Boxes cost money. I suggest contacting the local police and seeing about an investigation- chances are, the PO Box was paid with a credit card with real info, or someone working at his Post Office can give a desciption. (Quite frankly though, it's gonna take an insane effort ot get the ball rolling to go after this guy.) Good luck, dude!

#9 cletus   World Traveler CAGiversary!   1315 Posts   Joined 13.5 Years Ago  

Posted 12 July 2005 - 02:41 AM

You say you have a PO Box address. That might be enough to find this guy. Try contacting the police to see what they can do. They can ask the USPS who rents that PO Box(this happens alot with deadbeat dads). Thief of $230 is a felony last I heard. Of course, if this person is on the other side of the country or something like that then it will be much harder.

Be patient and don't give up. Find out what your options are. Don't just assume your screwed. Good luck and I hope you've learned from this experience.

#10 Kirin Lemon   世界を革命する者 CAGiversary!   5054 Posts   Joined 14.0 Years Ago  

Kirin Lemon

Posted 12 July 2005 - 02:51 AM

*Never* send goods until you receive payment for them first.

#11 G.Sears   . CAGiversary!   796 Posts   Joined 13.8 Years Ago  

Posted 12 July 2005 - 03:15 AM

Like someone above said contact that post office and find out everything you can about the person that signed up for that PO box, maybe even ask if they have his face on camera (security tapes). USPS is a pain in the ass to deal with so best of luck to you, if they are problematic get in touch with the local police over there. What forum did this take place on? And did you double check references, etc? It seems every forum other than CAG uses Heatware which is a pretty good system, and only gets abused if someone hijacks someone elses account. Sorry to hear about the loss though

#12 nickmad   Electric Wizard CAGiversary!   1701 Posts   Joined 14.0 Years Ago  

Posted 12 July 2005 - 03:20 AM

oNeWiNgEdAnGeL, that sucks. you lost Randy Moss and a Gamecube all in one year.....

#13 Capraesque   Member since 2003 CAGiversary!   1439 Posts   Joined 14.8 Years Ago  

Capraesque

Posted 12 July 2005 - 03:23 AM

If you are the seller, you always send second. The buyer sends cash first. ALWAYS.

#14 Condor80   Let's Go Mets!!! CAGiversary!   4401 Posts   Joined 14.2 Years Ago  

Posted 12 July 2005 - 03:35 AM

Wow, that really sucks... Was there a reason why you sent out your end of the deal first? You should definitely at least go to the post office and try to file a claim or something.

#15 ThePlatinumStag   Official Nintendo Gamer CAGiversary!   224 Posts   Joined 13.0 Years Ago  

ThePlatinumStag

Posted 12 July 2005 - 03:41 AM

Wow - I'm very sorry to hear this - I'm new to this forum and I've already got a few trades going on - and this is only serving to make me more paranoid >_>

#16 bdw418   Limited Edition CAGiversary!   240 Posts   Joined 14.8 Years Ago  

Posted 12 July 2005 - 04:09 AM

Definitely, try to trace through the post office. Sorry to hear about your misfortune--keep us updated!

#17 Indiana   Over 3 decades of gaming! CAGiversary!   3142 Posts   Joined 14.6 Years Ago  

Posted 12 July 2005 - 04:20 AM

I think you should be able to call the post office and file a fraud claim. Hopefully they can help determine who owns the PO box.

#18 cheapass Gundam   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   1052 Posts   Joined 14.0 Years Ago  

cheapass Gundam

Posted 12 July 2005 - 04:24 AM

Facts:

+ The USPS requires two photo IDs AND a street address (not another PO Box) to rent a PO Box
+ Using the USPS to commit fraud is a felony and a Federal offense
+ You know the address of the PO Box
+ You know the approximate time when the package was received

You should contact the Post Office where the PO Box is located at and file a fraud report, and have the local PD involved. File a small claims court at the jurisdiction naming John Doe who is in possession of that PO Box during the time period your package was received.

Do not even email the buyer threatening anything. Just go ahead with the aforementioned procedures and send this no good scammer directly to jail.

Go get 'em tiger!

#19 Graystone   ` CAGiversary!   15662 Posts   Joined 14.1 Years Ago  

Posted 12 July 2005 - 04:24 AM

Yea call the police or go to a station and see what can be done. I think they will care doing any type of scam though the post office is already felony. I also don't think they will laugh at the price either.

#20 Jeoff   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   919 Posts   Joined 13.6 Years Ago  

Posted 12 July 2005 - 04:47 AM

The reason people run PO Box scams is because they can get away with it 99% of the time.

Your local police department and/or post office WILL NOT help you unless you badger them incessantly. Even then there is a very small chance they will help you because the amount is so low. Police officers have to split their time between eating donuts and pulling over minorities...they aren't going to blink at the theft of $230. For the principle of it I hope you do get action taken against the guy. But don't think it's gonna be easy to do.

It sounds to me from your post that the trading site you were on was in cahoots with the scammer. If you're using a non-reputable trading site that's always what you have to expect.

#21 varsitygamer   Porkchop Sandwiches!!! CAGiversary!   956 Posts   Joined 14.1 Years Ago  

varsitygamer

Posted 12 July 2005 - 05:00 AM

why would a seller ever send goods before recieving payment?

sorry for your loss but... i just can't figure that out.

~stew

#22 LeakyImplant   CAG Veteran CAG Veteran   43 Posts   Joined 14.5 Years Ago  

LeakyImplant

Posted 12 July 2005 - 05:13 AM

why would a seller ever send goods before recieving payment?

sorry for your loss but... i just can't figure that out.

~stew


People trade for years to build up stellar feedback. With that feedback, they can look at all those new sellers with absolutely none, or very little references & ask them to ship first. It weeds out the scammers & impatient children selling damaged goods. This in turn builds up the little guys credit, & opens him up more within the trading community.

Of course, sending a decent size package to someone with less then several dozen positives, all the while not getting any personal information, are very important things to look over.

#23 emceelokey   The Human Weapon CAGiversary!   768 Posts   Joined 14.0 Years Ago  

Posted 12 July 2005 - 05:16 AM

why would a seller ever send goods before recieving payment?

sorry for your loss but... i just can't figure that out.

~stew




Yeah dude. I have no sympathy for ignorance.

#24 ngamer007   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   315 Posts   Joined 14.9 Years Ago  

Posted 12 July 2005 - 05:26 AM

If it's only a couple hundred miles away, I would do a personal investigation. Show up at the guy's house, see what he has to say then.

#25 DT778   number 1 on the westside CAGiversary!   10546 Posts   Joined 14.6 Years Ago  

Posted 12 July 2005 - 05:29 AM

Wow - I'm very sorry to hear this - I'm new to this forum and I've already got a few trades going on - and this is only serving to make me more paranoid >_>

He said he got ripped on another site.

#26 G.Sears   . CAGiversary!   796 Posts   Joined 13.8 Years Ago  

Posted 12 July 2005 - 05:41 AM

If it's only a couple hundred miles away, I would do a personal investigation. Show up at the guy's house, see what he has to say then.


Except it was sent to a PO box...post office box.

#27 aaa   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   529 Posts   Joined 13.2 Years Ago  

Posted 12 July 2005 - 05:46 AM

People like this deserve to be tortured. What scum. If this happened to me, I would love 10 minutes alone with this guy. Good luck man, and follow the advice about how to track him through the PO Box from others.

#28 c   The Hottest Judge on TV CAGiversary!   548 Posts   Joined 14.6 Years Ago  

Posted 12 July 2005 - 05:58 AM

Quackzilla was right. View this as a learning experience. If you view negative things as learning experiences, you are better able to accept them.

Again, --take this as a learning experience--. You could have lost more in the future had you not learned your lesson now.

#29 dracula   i'll buy that for a dolla CAGiversary!   4885 Posts   Joined 14.4 Years Ago  

Posted 12 July 2005 - 06:17 AM

your best bet is to work with the other people who got ripped and come up with an itemized list of what all was stolen, and the names and dates of everything.

Not having his real name might not get him off the hook

file internet fraud here
http://www.ifccfbi.gov/cf1.asp

and here with the usps
http://www.usps.com/...udComplaint.htm

and here with the federal trade commission
https://rn.ftc.gov/p...Z_ORG_CODE=PU01

Encourage the other people he ripped off to do the same thing.
and also encourage everyone he ripped to call his local sherrif's department and file theft complaints

was the site gametz.com?

most of the people on that site are kids(12 to 17) and that may make it more difficult for the charges to stick if the crook is under age.

#30 Dante Devil   Uh... CAGiversary!   1651 Posts   Joined 14.6 Years Ago  

Dante Devil

Posted 12 July 2005 - 06:22 AM

I'm sorry that had to happen.