Girl Forced to Strip at McDonald's

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Restaurant Shift Turns Into Nightmare

Nov. 10, 2005 — Louise Ogborn was always willing to take on extra shifts at McDonald's in Mount Washington, Ky. Ogborn's mother had health problems and had recently lost her job, so the 18-year-old did whatever she could to help make ends meet.

On April 9, 2004, Ogborn offered to work through the restaurant's evening rush, trying to be helpful and make a few extra dollars.

"I was just going to eat and then clock back in and help until somebody else came along that could help," she said.

But Ogborn couldn't have known that her noble gesture would turn into a terrifying ordeal that she says will haunt her for the rest of her life.

A Startling Accusation

Ogborn was called into assistant manager Donna Summers' cramped office and told that Summers was on the telephone with a police officer.

"She said, 'Here she is. This is the girl you described,'" said Ogborn. "She told me to shut the door."

Summers told Ogborn that the officer on the phone had their store manager on the other line and that he had described her and accused her of stealing a purse from a customer.

"I was like, 'Donna, I've never done anything wrong,'" Ogborn said. "I could never steal — I could never do anything like that. I don't have it in me."

But inside the back office, which had now become an "interrogation room," Ogborn's protests fell on deaf ears.

"She said, 'Well, they said it was a little girl that looked like you in a McDonald's uniform, so it had to be you.'"

It was Ogborn's word against the accusation of a man claiming to be a cop, and she was given a choice: submit to a search or be escorted to the police station.

Listening to 'the Voice'

Ogborn was told to empty her pockets and surrender her car keys and cell phone, which she did. Then the caller demanded that Summers have Ogborn remove her clothes — even her underwear — leaving her with just a small, dirty apron to cover her naked body.

Summers says she never second-guessed what she was being asked to do, as she firmly believed the person she was talking to was a police officer. Ogborn says she trusted her manager to do what was right.

Because it was a busy Friday night, Summers had to leave the office to check on the restaurant. The man on the phone demanded that another employee be left to watch Ogborn until the police arrived and Summers chose 27-year-old Jason Bradley.

"He [Bradley] takes the phone and they're telling him to have me do certain things and drop the apron," she said. "He wouldn't have any part of it."

Bradley walked out in disgust, leaving Summers with no one to watch Ogborn. Then the caller made an odd request, asking Summers to call her fiancé to have him watch the girl.

Summers says she did as she was told.

"I honestly thought he was a police officer and what I was doing was the right thing," said Summers. "I thought I was doing what I was supposed to be doing."

Surveillance video shows Ogborn broke down in tears.

Two Hours of Torment

Within fifteen minutes, Summers' fiancé, Walter Nix, entered the office where Ogborn tugged at the small apron that barely covered her top and exposed her legs up to her buttocks.

Again, Summers says she didn't question the caller and completely trusted her fiancé to be left alone with the girl.

Ogborn says she wanted to run, but that it would have been too humiliating to run through the restaurant naked.

Nix, a 43-year-old exterminator, began following the caller's commands, ordering Ogborn to drop her apron, bend over and stand on a chair.

Then — as ridiculous as it sounds — he told her to do jumping jacks to shake loose anything she might be hiding. Ogborn says that was just the beginning of two more hours of torment.

The demands became more and more bizarre. When Ogborn says that when she failed to address Nix as "sir," the caller tells him to hit her violently on the buttocks over and over. At one point on the video, Ogborn was "spanked" for almost 10 full minutes.

"He told me I was asking too many questions, so he was told to hit me," she said. "I just said, 'Please don't do this.'"

By the end, red welts could be seen on the woman's body.

During it all, Summers periodically came back to the office, and each time, Nix threw the apron at Ogborn, telling her to stay quiet.

"I begged her every time she came in the room," Ogborn said. "'Get me out of here. Please get me out of here."

Ogborn says she even asked the assistant manager to call the police, but each time, she says, Summers told her, "No, we're still waiting for the cop."

Summers denies Ogborn ever asked her to call the police or that the girl pleaded with her.

Ogborn says that after more than three hours of dehumanizing treatment, Nix — again on the instructions of the caller — forced Ogborn to perform a sexual act.

The caller then told Nix to hand the phone back to Summers and instructed her to bring in someone else.

This time, she had Thomas Simms, a 58-year-old maintenance man who worked at the restaurant, get on the phone with the caller, but Simms refused to comply with the caller's strange demands.

"Tom told me, 'This man is asking … for her to drop her apron so I can see her without the apron,' " she recalled. "And I said, 'Do what?!' "

Summers frantically called her manager, Lisa Siddons, who the caller claimed had been on the other line all along. But when Siddons answered her phone, she said she'd been sleeping.

It was then that Summers realized, she'd been had.

Police Arrive

When Mount Washington Police Detective Buddy Stump arrived at the restaurant, he had Nix arrested and began the process of trying to figure out who the caller was.

"The first thing I thought about was … this has got to be somebody on a pay phone," he said. "Maybe over [at] Winn Dixie and they're getting their jollies off at watching all the action and the police roll in."

But thanks to an Internet search by his chief of police, Stump discovered that calls like this have been going on for more than 10 years. Ogborn, it turns out, was only the latest in a long line of victims.

After a McDonald's employee used the "*69" feature to get a telephone number for the caller, Stump learned the call had been made from a supermarket pay phone — in Panama City, Fla.

Stump discovered that the call was made with an AT&T calling card and, upon learning that the biggest seller of those cards in Panama City is Wal-Mart, he contacted local police for help.

A Decade of Calls

It turned out that the Panama City Police Department had received several calls about investigations in multiple states for similar incidents. By early 2004, there had been more than 70 cases of hoax phone calls to fast food restaurants, dating as far back as 1994.

At a McDonald's in Hinesville, Ga., a caller convinced a 55-year-old janitor to do a cavity search of a 19-year-old cashier, while in Fargo, N.D., a manager at a local Burger King strip-searched a 17-year-old female employee.

In Phoenix, a caller had a Taco Bell manager pick out a customer and then strip-search her. And police in Massachusetts had been looking for a man who called three Wendy's restaurants near Boston in a single day.

Stump was put in touch with Vic Flaherty, a detective in West Bridgewater, Mass., investigating the Wendy's calls.

Flaherty told Stump he had traced the card's purchase to the exact time the caller bought it, but as luck would have it, the security cameras were pointed toward the front doors — not the registers — and didn't capture the sale.

The Big Break

The detectives caught a break when they discovered the calling card used in the Kentucky incident was purchased at a different Wal-Mart than the one in the Massachusetts case. This time, the cameras in the store were trained on the cash registers.

"We can see the card go across the scanner — we see everything," said Flaherty. "But now we see an individual. We don't know who that is."

When detectives go back to the first surveillance tape to try and match up the face, they find the same man and notice something else — he's wearing a uniform.

The uniform is that of CCA — Corrections Corporation of America — a private prison company that runs a jail in Panama City. The warden identified the man in the video as one of his prison guards — 38-year-old David Stewart.

According to police, a search of Stewart's trailer revealed guns, police paraphernalia and training manuals. Police also discovered that Stewart had attended a local police academy and even volunteered as a deputy with a small police department in western Florida.

"It's like a sigh of relief," Flaherty said. "It's been a long time, now you actually have a name to a face."

The Calls Stop

David Stewart was extradited to Kentucky and charged with solicitation of sodomy and impersonating a police officer and has pleaded not guilty. If convicted, he faces up to 16 years in prison.

Clinical psychologist Jeff Gardere says the caller's actions were likely a way to feed a God-like complex by manipulating his victims emotionally, physically and sexually. He calls it "virtual voyeurism."

Gardere goes on to say that it was no accident that caller was targeting fast food restaurants.

"Everything is by the book," he explained. "This is how you serve it. This is exactly how you do it. You follow the book — you're OK. I believe he picked fast food restaurants because he knew, once you got them away from that book, once it was something outside the manual or the procedures, they would be lost."

Since Stewart's arrest in the summer of 2004, there have been no more reported incidents of hoax calls to fast food restaurants.

"This tells me we got our man," said Stump.

Nix has pleaded not guilty to charges of sodomy and sexual assault.

Donna Summers was fired after the incident and has pleaded not guilty to a misdemeanor charge. She broke off her engagement to Nix after viewing the surveillance tapes.

Meanwhile, Ogborn is suing McDonald's and Summers for false imprisonment.

In a statement, McDonald's said, "We take this matter very seriously and through our training try very hard to warn employees about such schemes."

McDonald's training manual does include a section which cautions employees that "no legitimate law enforcement agency would ever ask you to conduct such a search."

But none of the employees "Primetime" spoke with at the Mount Washington, Ky., McDonald's say they ever recall seeing the warning.


http://abcnews.go.com/Primetime/story?id=1297922&page=1

its some crazy stuff, very Milgram
 
I saw the "promo" for that for Primetime, but I didn't get to see it. That's really fucked up. I hope that guy gets what's coming to him. I can't imagine how the McDonald's employees there could be so damn gullible. The requests were just so heinous.
 
Yeah i watched the Prmetime episode the other day too. Why did that dude only get 16 years and the dude who was i the room with her getting 35? The dude who made the calls should get alot longer.
 
[quote name='Scorch']Why did it take a year and a half for this to come to light?[/QUOTE]

Yeah, I know that they had to do an investigation, but 1 and a half years is indeed a long time.
 
[quote name='Vampire Hunter D']Yeah i watched the Prmetime episode the other day too. Why did that dude only get 16 years and the dude who was i the room with her getting 35? The dude who made the calls should get alot longer.[/QUOTE]
Because the worst thing he did was impersonate a police officer. The other guy sexually assaulted a minor.
 
[quote name='SteveMcQ']I can't imagine how the McDonald's employees there could be so damn gullible. The requests were just so heinous.[/QUOTE]

I agree after a point their has to be something in your head that says this aint right. That is when you make the loudest big noise and scence (if your a women or a skinny guy) However someone like me if they told me to get naked first thing is I want to see the video tape. if I look suspicous(sp) on the tape and an officer is present I would let him or her search me. If I did nothing guess what ever single person that don't let me out of that room is getting a 6 inch bali-song (butterfly knive) to their gut until they let me out.
 
What happened to the girl is a tragedy but I don't feel too sorry for her gullibility (sp?). She should've at the very least, asked for his service number as well as telling them to send a squad car to talk in person. In my few dealings with cops, I've always dealt with them face-to-face & never on the phone. If anything, the cop on the phone will usually say, "Please stay where you are until a squad car comes." The managers deserve jailtime for their stupidity though. It was basically rape.
 
[quote name='jaykrue']What happened to the girl is a tragedy but I don't feel too sorry for her gullibility (sp?). She should've at the very least, asked for his service number as well as telling them to send a squad car to talk in person. In my few dealings with cops, I've always dealt with them face-to-face & never on the phone. If anything, the cop on the phone will usually say, "Please stay where you are until a squad car comes." The managers deserve jailtime for their stupidity though. It was basically rape.[/QUOTE]
From my understanding the girl never spoke to the person on the phone directly and from what she says she did ask for the police

Ogborn says she even asked the assistant manager to call the police, but each time, she says, Summers told her, "No, we're still waiting for the cop."

Personally, I think the manager and her fiance was in on this.
 
[quote name='dcfox']From my understanding the girl never spoke to the person on the phone directly and from what she says she did ask for the police



Personally, I think the manager and her fiance was in on this.[/QUOTE]

Ok, even still, the girl should've refused instead of submitting to their supposed 'strip search' and at what point does a blow job become a legitimate portion of that? Everyone in this situation showed degrees of gullibility. But the girl had every right to refuse yet she didn't. Companies don't have that 'search & seizure' option without undue cause (and even then, I think the most they could do to a thief is physically restrain them until the police arrive). I would be completely belligerent and say I refuse to comply with any demands until I see service number of a present (not over the phone) authority figure which can be verified by a 3rd party as well as speak to an attorney. As an 18 yr old, she's already an adult and as such should know the most basic of her rights. If she's ignorant of them, the only person she can blame is herself. If she had at least struggled/refused/put up a fight I'd feel more sympathy.
 
[quote name='Ugamer_X']This was on Primetime the other night, it was unbelievable.

Then again, it is McDonald's and it is Kentucky.[/QUOTE]

Over 70 times since 1994 and not just mcdonalds, but wendys, burger king, taco bell etc.

Some fucked up stuff. Forced to strip sounds bad enough, but it looks like she was forced to give oral sex(when they talk about it during the video she is like on her knees) and was raped from behind(solicitation of sodomy).
 
Personally, I think it's unfair to blame the victim at all in this situation.

As others have been saying, I think it's pretty ridiciulous that the employees would comply with the demands. A cop tells commands you to have someone do jumping jacks and you're going to do it? Geez.
 
[quote name='jaykrue']Ok, even still, the girl should've refused instead of submitting to their supposed 'strip search' and at what point does a blow job become a legitimate portion of that? Everyone in this situation showed degrees of gullibility. But the girl had every right to refuse yet she didn't. Companies don't have that 'search & seizure' option without undue cause (and even then, I think the most they could do to a thief is physically restrain them until the police arrive). I would be completely belligerent and say I refuse to comply with any demands until I see service number of a present (not over the phone) authority figure which can be verified by a 3rd party as well as speak to an attorney. As an 18 yr old, she's already an adult and as such should know the most basic of her rights. If she's ignorant of them, the only person she can blame is herself. If she had at least struggled/refused/put up a fight I'd feel more sympathy.[/QUOTE]
I agree at 18 years old, she shouldn't have been so quick to comply with seemingly outrageous demands. And to be forced into giving a blow job and be spanked, even in a state of hysteria, something should have clicked in her head.

But to be fair to the girl, my first response wouldn't be to call a lawyer and I would never think to ask for a service number. I've never dealt with the police before, nor do I intend to in the future, but this is good to know for future reference :lol:
 
[quote name='racthamp']hmmm was the girl at least hot?[/QUOTE]

That's not funny.



I just watched the video of it... I didn't realize she had to preform sexual acts, too. Tha pretty much makes this rape, too...

The Nx was just as bad as that psycho who made the call in the first place.


The whole situation is crazy and sad.
 
The whole thing with the manager's boyfriend coming in to "watch" the girl like a bodyguard (speculated to be in cahoots with the caller) pisses me off.

He molested her and shit. I was actually thinking about this last night and getting furious. I hope one of her family memebers seeks revenge -- I know I would if I were her father or boyfriend. DEATH.
 
[quote name='Brak']The whole thing with the manager's boyfriend coming in to "watch" the girl like a bodyguard (speculated to be in cahoots with the caller) pisses me off.

He molested her and shit. I was actually thinking about this last night and getting furious. I hope one of her family memebers seeks revenge -- I know I would if I were her father or boyfriend. DEATH.[/QUOTE]


a think a lawsuit against the Mcds would suffice
 
[quote name='Ikohn4ever']a think a lawsuit against the Mcds would suffice[/QUOTE]

Not for molesting a girl, it won't.

They must pay by their blood.
 
[quote name='dcfox']I agree at 18 years old, she shouldn't have been so quick to comply with seemingly outrageous demands. And to be forced into giving a blow job and be spanked, even in a state of hysteria, something should have clicked in her head.

But to be fair to the girl, my first response wouldn't be to call a lawyer and I would never think to ask for a service number. I've never dealt with the police before, nor do I intend to in the future, but this is good to know for future reference :lol:[/QUOTE]

I think that a lot of parents teach their kids to be complacent and always listen to authority figures. But they never bother to mention how to identify someone as such. You should never have to deal with cops on a regular basis (unless it's part of your job) but it was fairly routine for me in my snot-nosed punk ass high school phase.:lol:
 
[quote name='jaykrue']Ok, even still, the girl should've refused instead of submitting to their supposed 'strip search' and at what point does a blow job become a legitimate portion of that? Everyone in this situation showed degrees of gullibility. But the girl had every right to refuse yet she didn't. Companies don't have that 'search & seizure' option without undue cause (and even then, I think the most they could do to a thief is physically restrain them until the police arrive). I would be completely belligerent and say I refuse to comply with any demands until I see service number of a present (not over the phone) authority figure which can be verified by a 3rd party as well as speak to an attorney. As an 18 yr old, she's already an adult and as such should know the most basic of her rights. If she's ignorant of them, the only person she can blame is herself. If she had at least struggled/refused/put up a fight I'd feel more sympathy.[/QUOTE]

This seems like saying you don't feel as bad for the girl who wore miniskit and tight, skimpy shirt and got raped. Many people have never dealt with a cop (I haven't outside of being pulled over), and many people have no idea what's normal or what their rights are.

When someone is confused, ashamed and being abused their thinking process often takes a back seat to their emotional state. It may have seemed obvious to her normally, but I doubt she'd be in her right state of mind after all that, and probably doing little rational thinking.

Though, is it suprising that the only state where it didn't work (even though it was attempted multiple times) was massachusetts?
 
[quote name='Brak']He molested her and shit. I was actually thinking about this last night and getting furious. I hope one of her family memebers seeks revenge -- I know I would if I were her father or boyfriend. DEATH.[/QUOTE]Definetely, you cant let anyone do that kinda shit to your daughter/girlfriend and let the useless American justice system handle it,
at the very least they should give you a baseball bat and 30 min in a room with them
 
[quote name='alonzomourning23']This seems like saying you don't feel as bad for the girl who wore miniskit and tight, skimpy shirt and got raped. Many people have never dealt with a cop (I haven't outside of being pulled over), and many people have no idea what's normal or what their rights are.

When someone is confused, ashamed and being abused their thinking process often takes a back seat to their emotional state. It may have seemed obvious to her normally, but I doubt she'd be in her right state of mind after all that, and probably doing little rational thinking.

Though, is it suprising that the only state where it didn't work (even though it was attempted multiple times) was massachusetts?[/QUOTE]

That's not what I'm sayin' at all. I don't feel as much sympathy for this girl for her gullibility. While it's true that a person's thinking process may be impaired by confusion, shame or abuse, it shouldn't have gotten further than confusion. I would think that self-preservation comes as job #1 especially in a case where the girl rightfully did nothing wrong other than comply to sick demands. If I feel (not think) that I did nothing wrong, I would still refuse any compliance until a verifiable authority figure was actually present to sort out the mess. I suppose I should feel more sympathy for her and not her parents as they must've done something pretty good to suppress her own desire to preserve her existence. Just to clarify, I think any harm done to the body should provoke self preservation instincts i.e. fight or flight so for a girl to do neither is quite surprising to me.
 
[quote name='jaykrue']That's not what I'm sayin' at all. I don't feel as much sympathy for this girl for her gullibility. While it's true that a person's thinking process may be impaired by confusion, shame or abuse, it shouldn't have gotten further than confusion. I would think that self-preservation comes as job #1 especially in a case where the girl rightfully did nothing wrong other than comply to sick demands. If I feel (not think) that I did nothing wrong, I would still refuse any compliance until a verifiable authority figure was actually present to sort out the mess. I suppose I should feel more sympathy for her and not her parents as they must've done something pretty good to suppress her own desire to preserve her existence. Just to clarify, I think any harm done to the body should provoke self preservation instincts i.e. fight or flight so for a girl to do neither is quite surprising to me.[/QUOTE]

That often doesn't happen though. But in a way it may have. Her mother was sick and had no job, she was the only means of support for the family. The job meant everything. The thought of losing the job itself may have been very traumatic, since it was absolutely essential to her families well being. She was accused of stealing, which would have meant she was on the verge of being fired. Add that to the gradual increase in requests over time (it wasn't come in here and spread your legs), the disarray due to fear, humiliation etc. It's not that suprising that it worked in this case or earlier ones.
 
[quote name='jaykrue']That's not what I'm sayin' at all. I don't feel as much sympathy for this girl for her gullibility. While it's true that a person's thinking process may be impaired by confusion, shame or abuse, it shouldn't have gotten further than confusion. I would think that self-preservation comes as job #1 especially in a case where the girl rightfully did nothing wrong other than comply to sick demands. If I feel (not think) that I did nothing wrong, I would still refuse any compliance until a verifiable authority figure was actually present to sort out the mess. I suppose I should feel more sympathy for her and not her parents as they must've done something pretty good to suppress her own desire to preserve her existence. Just to clarify, I think any harm done to the body should provoke self preservation instincts i.e. fight or flight so for a girl to do neither is quite surprising to me.[/QUOTE]

But then again, this is all in retrospect that you're saying this. At the time, everyone in the story (apparently) believed it was a cop on the phone.

And in her defense, she did ask her manager to get her out there (to no avail).
 
[quote name='Ugamer_X']This was on Primetime the other night, it was unbelievable.

Then again, it is McDonald's and it is Kentucky.[/QUOTE]
:rofl:
 
[quote name='jaykrue']That's not what I'm sayin' at all. I don't feel as much sympathy for this girl for her gullibility.[/QUOTE]

The fact that it had nothing to do with the girl being "gullible" destroys the rest of your argument.

It had everything to do with the manager's gullibility, the savage motherfucker on the phone and the manager's sack of shit fiance who came in to rape her.

That's a terrifying situation -- especially for a young girl. It started out as a cop on the line and snowballed into her being humiliated, broken down and raped. It's hard for anyone to get a sudden urge of "headstrong" when you're being molested.
 
[quote name='WinnieThePujols']But then again, this is all in retrospect that you're saying this. At the time, everyone in the story (apparently) believed it was a cop on the phone.

And in her defense, she did ask her manager to get her out there (to no avail).[/QUOTE]

As I said before, I wouldn't comply with any requests unless it was done in person by a verifiable authority figure. This is a sad state of affairs if ppl are willing to listen to whoever is on the phone without questioning whether the person on the phone is a telemarketer, a prank caller, or a sick perv (my guess is the last one). And while true that she did ask her manager, for her to sit and take the abuse without screaming bloody murder is incomprehensible to me.

[quote name='alonzomourning23']That often doesn't happen though. But in a way it may have. Her mother was sick and had no job, she was the only means of support for the family. The job meant everything. The thought of losing the job itself may have been very traumatic, since it was absolutely essential to her families well being. She was accused of stealing, which would have meant she was on the verge of being fired. Add that to the gradual increase in requests over time (it wasn't come in here and spread your legs), the disarray due to fear, humiliation etc. It's not that suprising that it worked in this case or earlier ones.[/QUOTE]

I don't buy it. She was accused of stealing and wrongfully so. That alone would be enough for me to refuse until a cop got to the 'supposed' scene of the crime and explain it to him. She wasn't in danger of losing her job and if they did fire her, it's Sue City. Especially on such groundless merit.

[quote name='Brak']The fact that it had nothing to do with the girl being "gullible" destroys the rest of your argument.

It had everything to do with the manager's gullibility, the savage motherfucker on the phone and the manager's sack of shit fiance who came in to rape her.

That's a terrifying situation -- especially for a young girl. It started out as a cop on the line and snowballed into her being humiliated, broken down and raped. It's hard for anyone to get a sudden urge of "headstrong" when you're being molested.[/QUOTE]

How so? I don't deny the culpability of the asst. manager & her fiance but she was still gullible. At what point do you willingly allow a person to abuse you when you know in your heart it's not in your best interests to comply? Sounds like gullible to me. She was working in McD's. It's not like it's a barren restaurant. All she had to do was yell at the top of her lungs, 'help!' That'll get everyone's attention. She meekly stayed in the office and took the abuse despite her instincts telling her to leave (kicking & screaming if need be).
 
[quote name='jaykrue']

I don't buy it. She was accused of stealing and wrongfully so. That alone would be enough for me to refuse until a cop got to the 'supposed' scene of the crime and explain it to him. She wasn't in danger of losing her job and if they did fire her, it's Sue City. Especially on such groundless merit.[/QUOTE]

The majority of the population does not think or behave like that when put into situations involving the police or authority. Especially when it's an 18 year old who's the only source of incone, and has no idea what the police can/cannot do.
 
[quote name='jaykrue']As I said before, I wouldn't comply with any requests unless it was done in person by a verifiable authority figure. This is a sad state of affairs if ppl are willing to listen to whoever is on the phone without questioning whether the person on the phone is a telemarketer, a prank caller, or a sick perv (my guess is the last one). And while true that she did ask her manager, for her to sit and take the abuse without screaming bloody murder is incomprehensible to me.[/QUOTE]

I guess I keep forgetting that she was in that position in the first place after being accused of stealing. Kinda changes things.
 
[quote name='alonzomourning23']The majority of the population does not think or behave like that when put into situations involving the police. Especially when it's an 18 year old who's the only source of incone, and has no idea what the police can/cannot do.[/QUOTE]

I don't know if that's true (please show me some evidence) but if it is, it truly IS a sad state of affairs.

[quote name='WinnieThePujols']I guess I keep forgetting that she was in that position in the first place after being accused of stealing. Kinda changes things.[/QUOTE]

That's just it. It's not that I wouldn't be willing to comply with any of the manager's demands. I would just like it done in the presence of someone whose authority is supposed to be endorsed by the city/state.
 
[quote name='jaykrue']How so? I don't deny the culpability of the asst. manager & her fiance but she was still gullible. At what point do you willingly allow a person to abuse you when you know in your heart it's not in your best interests to comply? Sounds like gullible to me. She was working in McD's. It's not like it's a barren restaurant. All she had to do was yell at the top of her lungs, 'help!' That'll get everyone's attention. She meekly stayed in the office and took the abuse despite her instincts telling her to leave (kicking & screaming if need be).[/QUOTE]

So all women who are being raped fight back, kicking and screaming? Sorry. That's not what always happens.

Furthermore, as alonzo is saying, "authority" was thrown into the mix mentioned above. Humiliation, rape, police, fear, so on and so forth -- all gradually snowballing upon her. She had no idea what to do.
 
Sigh. More reason that we need Loki walking around just shooting people.

fuck the manager. She needs jail time because she should know how to handle these situations. If ignorance isn't reason enough to clear someone of a crime, then someone in a MANAGER POSITION OUGHT TO HAVE TRAINING ON SUCH SITUATIONS. This isn't all that far removed from, say, someone drawing a gun in the restaurant. You should know what to do.

fuck McDonald's. If the manager doesn't know, they should be held accountable for not having that training in place. So fuck them.

fuck the fiancee. Greedy perverted motherfucker who should fry.

fuck the caller. Should be fried as well.

fuck all the employees who may have known about this. Someone should have had the good sense to hang the phone up.

As for the girl, she was in a heightened emotional state. That's not an excuse - she SHOULD have asked for some sort of authorization or something.

God damn. Humans are sick fucks and sometimes I think our end might not be such a bad thing....
 
[quote name='WinnieThePujols']...

The caller? Fired from what? Prank calling?[/QUOTE]

Meh ok. At least let him go to jail and get cornholed a few thousand times.
 
This is a hot topic right now.

I was thinking about the employee who came in at the request of his manager and was told to take over, but said he didn't want any part of it. He obviously knew something was wrong... So really, shame on him for not doing something either.

I really don't know how to feel about the girl.
 
[quote name='WinnieThePujols'] A cop tells commands you to have someone do jumping jacks and you're going to do it? Geez.[/QUOTE]
You've never been pulled over for drunk driving? They make you stand on one foot, walk a straight line, follow their finger with your eyes and say the alphabet. Pretty embarrassing stuff if you ask me.
 
[quote name='Brak']So all women who are being raped fight back, kicking and screaming? Sorry. That's not what always happens.

Furthermore, as alonzo is saying, "authority" was thrown into the mix mentioned above. Humiliation, rape, police, fear, so on and so forth -- all gradually snowballing upon her. She had no idea what to do.[/QUOTE]

I made no representation being all inclusive of women everywhere. I'm speaking of this situation. Yeah, it isn't what always happens but this situation is unique in that unlike your typical rape, no weapon or threat of violence compelled her to stay there and take it. All she had to do was leave the room. Once someone laid a finger on her, then that's a different situation. She was verbally intimidated by her manager who was talking to someone over the phone. At that point she was still clothed. How does anyone allow themselves to suffer such indignities for 3 plus hours with no weapon or violent threats in sight? And if all it takes to recognize 'authority' is a faceless person over the phone, then hot damn, I'm the ruler of the universe and I'm going to call everyone I know and tell them so.
 
[quote name='jaykrue'] And if all it takes to recognize 'authority' is a faceless person over the phone, then hot damn, I'm the ruler of the universe and I'm going to call everyone I know and tell them so.[/QUOTE]

Good, I have some people on my list I'd love for you to call and humiliate.

/seriously
//I am a sad person. Sometimes. :/
 
Wow, that girl is an idiot. In fact all the people involved in this were morons. The ass. manager for actually believing it, the fiance for being a scumbag, and the girl for just taking it. I'm sorry, but there is no way in hell I'd agree to a stripsearch in a Mickey D's office and the cop just on the phone. Use some common sense.
It was Ogborn's word against the accusation of a man claiming to be a cop, and she was given a choice: submit to a search or be escorted to the police station.
Why would you agree to stay there? Idiots.
 
[quote name='jaykrue']
I don't buy it. She was accused of stealing and wrongfully so. That alone would be enough for me to refuse until a cop got to the 'supposed' scene of the crime and explain it to him. She wasn't in danger of losing her job and if they did fire her, it's Sue City. Especially on such groundless merit.[/quote]
With no job and no money, the cost of finding a lawyer and going to trial in addition to living costs would be impossible, if not very difficult, for her to cover. Especially with the chance of having the suit not pay out in the end, going to court was probably the last thing on her mind.

She was working in McD's. It's not like it's a barren restaurant. All she had to do was yell at the top of her lungs, 'help!' That'll get everyone's attention. She meekly stayed in the office and took the abuse despite her instincts telling her to leave (kicking & screaming if need be).
Being stark naked probably influenced her decision to stay in the office rather than running out in a restaurant full of people.
 
This is really repulsive. The people that work there are MORONS. Why would you follow that guy's instructions EVEN IF IT WAS A POLICE OFFICER. That is insane, those people are idiots!
 
[quote name='dcfox']With no job and no money, the cost of finding a lawyer and going to trial in addition to living costs would be impossible, if not very difficult, for her to cover. Especially with the chance of having the suit not pay out in the end, going to court was probably the last thing on her mind.


Being stark naked probably influenced her decision to stay in the office rather than running out in a restaurant full of people.[/QUOTE]

Lawyer can be assigned to you in court if need be. And she wasn't naked in the first place. When she went to the back room is when the outrageous demands started. All she had to do is leave at strip search request.
 
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