Destiny Discussion Thread - Fear The Moon Wizards on September 9th

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OK. I have been stuck at level 24 and half for 2 days now lol. I have been doing the daily bounties far as story mode goes. MP, I have only been able to get a couple done because I get my ass handed to me. I have also been doing the weekly heroic strike. What else can I do?

 
krashhole said:
OK. I have been stuck at level 24 and half for 2 days now lol. I have been doing the daily bounties far as story mode goes. MP, I have only been able to get a couple done because I get my ass handed to me. I have also been doing the weekly heroic strike. What else can I do?
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Are you making sure you do the public events to get marks? You need to build those up as much as possible to be able to buy some legendary gear. It has been a long time, but I think gloves and boots are relatively cheap (like 65 marks?).

The other thing you should do is run the Strike playlists. You should be able to do the Level 22 Wolf or Level 24 Tiger strikes and get 3 or 6 marks per run. You also get lots of random engrams which are good to get to level up your Cryptarch and to get armor materials when you break them down (after decrypting them). And you might get lucky and get an engram for armor that is better than what you have.

Getting from 22-26 or so is definitely the grindiest part of the game. But once you get to 26, then it gets easier.
 
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Yeah, I am doing the public events as well when they pop up in the game. Can you add me to your friends list? I'd like to get some in game tips as well. DONNIE IS 2FAST is my GT. Thanks io

 
krashhole said:
Yeah, I am doing the public events as well when they pop up in the game. Can you add me to your friends list? I'd like to get some in game tips as well. DONNIE IS 2FAST is my GT. Thanks io
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Add me and I'll add you back. My GT is Odibee.
 
So I spent far too long playing Destiny tonight just running bounties and a couple of Heroic Weeklies. I got another faction drop and it was a freaking duplicate Carthage shader from Future War Cult.

My drops have been like this:

Titan (Future War Cult): Rank 16 (Carthage), Rank 20 (Carthage)
Warlock (Dead Orbit): Rank 13 (Bittersteel)
Hunter (Dead Orbit): Rank 13 (Bittersteel), Rank 21 (Hanged Man)

Yeah I know some people haven't gotten any shaders from the factions, but, man, the duplicates are annoying, especially on the same character!
 
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Let me know if any of you guys want to do some HM Crotas tonight.  I have the CP for Crota, I have 2 Hunters and a Warlock.  I can run sword easy but need someone else to do sword when I run with my warlock.  LFG is full of wanna-be swordrunners.

I also have the Gorgon again for all those interested, I'm on EST

 
Just did nightfall and weekly on each character last night.  Was playing with Simo and Osiris and that last NF just didn't want us to finish.  Had some random wipes in there.  Oh well, finished with those for the week now.  Just cleaned up some half finished crucible bounties after that.   Still need to get my Titan and Warlock to Crucible rank 3 at some point and max my marks.  I'll be up to do some raid stuff tonight if anyone is around.

As for the limited vault space, I am not condoning the implementation of microtransactions in this game, but I would ante up for more vault space in a heartbeat.

Prison of Elders stream goes live in a few hours.  Hoping for some good surprises in there.  They also said they would reveal the new strike today as well.

 
I had to turn off the stream. I told myself I would give Destiny another shot but this livestream literally gave me a pounding headache because the freaking Browman guy is one of the most loud obnoxious idiots they could have picked. Seriously I put the volume as low as I could to still hear everyone else and I still had to just turn it off because that idiot was giving me a headache. Great move there Bungie.

In regards to what was shown I am honestly not that impressed. I mean I will try it for sure for new stuff whatever. But saying this is variety is a longshot. Its just waves of enemies in a big open area. The buffs and debuffs arent even randomized each time they clearly are set. I am overall really bummed at the lack of creativity Bungie has been giving us. Its like they are a really lazy babysitter or something. "How about you just us the same old guns you have been using since the first month of release and the new endgame activity you can just jump around a room killing wave after wave of enemies."

eh : /

 
Yeah this Broman guy's yelling is insufferable. Is this what most video game streaming personalities are like? :lol:

I'm just not listening to the sound and trying to follow along on NeoGAF. I read something about them confirming an exotic pistol that's equipped in the secondary slot? Sounds rad!

 
Ryuukishi said:
Yeah this Broman guy's yelling is insufferable. Is this what most video game streaming personalities are like? :lol:

I'm just not listening to the sound and trying to follow along on NeoGAF. I read something about them confirming an exotic pistol that's equipped in the secondary slot? Sounds rad!
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Whats more rad? If they can finally give us XBOX'ers the HAWKMOON already!!

 
I'm watching this stream I have no idea who this Professor Broman is that they have playing but he is beyond irritating, and they seem to have his mic up 2x as loud as the Deej and the designer who is playing in the fireteam. 

Prison of Elders is pretty much a standard Horde mode from what they have shown.  The base is a Level 28 arena and they said you can play that over and over each week.  There are 3 variants which are at higher levels (32, 34 & 35)  Etheric light was only guaranteed at the higer level ones.  They played the Level 34 arena and it has taken them an hour to get through 3 of the 5 rounds so it is either really hard to these guys are just not that good (probably a mix of the two).  There are 3 waves in each round and there is a random buff/debuff active for each wave.  They also throw in some objectives like defusing mines or eliminating a VIP while surviving the wave.  Also showed a Flame Cannon that spawned in every so often at the start of the wave that I believe I saw in some of the leaked photos.

Not sure I'm feeling this end game activity very much but maybe Broman is just a bit too much to handle.

 
Since my gaming schedule seems to never match up with you guys what's the best way to meet up with random groups for the raids and nightfalls? I hear some of you talk about a group finder where is that at and how does it work?
 
OMG my head hurts watching that reveal.  Broman is a fuck 'ing scrub and so goddamn annoying.  He needed to shut the hell up.  I seriously have to take some aspirin my head hurts from his screaming and saying BUTTS the whole time.  How in the hell can anyone stand that guy?!?

Also all three of those guys sucked so bad.

But dat pistol that Matt was using :drool:

Observations:

-Titan Bubble, Radiance with Apotheosis Veil, Red Death, Suros are all going to be key since you can regen health with those on the parts where your health doesn't come back.

-Having multiple different damage types is going to be huge as well.

-Hunter gunslinger might be at a disadvantage compared to blade dancing and being able to go invisible.

-I wanted to see the boss wave but they sucked so bad.

-I'm actually a fan of the arena in lieu of a raid.

 
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It's not even exotic, it's a legendary!

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Nothing on the next strike I guess?

 
ajh2298 said:
Since my gaming schedule seems to never match up with you guys what's the best way to meet up with random groups for the raids and nightfalls? I hear some of you talk about a group finder where is that at and how does it work?
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I use destinyLFG to find people. There are usually a bunch of people on their looking for fireteam members. You just put your details in and what you are looking to do and it posts for you. Then message some people looking to run the same thing and you should be good to go.

BrolyB593 said:
I had to turn off the stream. I told myself I would give Destiny another shot but this livestream literally gave me a pounding headache because the freaking Browman guy is one of the most loud obnoxious idiots they could have picked. Seriously I put the volume as low as I could to still hear everyone else and I still had to just turn it off because that idiot was giving me a headache. Great move there Bungie.

In regards to what was shown I am honestly not that impressed. I mean I will try it for sure for new stuff whatever. But saying this is variety is a longshot. Its just waves of enemies in a big open area. The buffs and debuffs arent even randomized each time they clearly are set. I am overall really bummed at the lack of creativity Bungie has been giving us. Its like they are a really lazy babysitter or something. "How about you just us the same old guns you have been using since the first month of release and the new endgame activity you can just jump around a room killing wave after wave of enemies."

eh : /
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Yea, that stream was a disaster on so many levels. But really, putting out a Horde mode like this in place of the Raid we were promised is some bullshit. I can't believe this is what we are getting.

 
GLOCKGLOCK said:
I use destinyLFG to find people. There are usually a bunch of people on their looking for fireteam members. You just put your details in and what you are looking to do and it posts for you. Then message some people looking to run the same thing and you should be good to go.

Yea, that stream was a disaster on so many levels. But really, putting out a Horde mode like this in place of the Raid we were promised is some bullshit. I can't believe this is what we are getting.
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But they never really promised a raid though. Everyone just assumed it was when the leak happened since the last expansion had a raid. I know I'm in the minority but Prison of Elders for me highlights my favorite part of the game, nothing but gunplay and it looks like this will require quite a bit of teamwork. Plus if they don't charge us for the raid coming later this year (wishful thinking I know), I'm fine with that.

They really should have had the other good Destiny streamer that isn't King Gothalion on.

Laced Up Lauren

I really wish we could have seen more of the guns and armor drops from this but maybe the video on Friday will?

 
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Vendetta_x360 said:
Plus if they don't charge us for the raid coming later this year (wishful thinking I know), I'm fine with that.
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This. I wouldnt be too annoyed if they came out and said such stuff will be free. This is the age of DLC however and nothing is free anymore (unless you are making the Witcher because you are awesome).

I already spent my money when I bought the Digital Deluxe Edition or whatever. The big reason I am even going to try this DLC is that I already paid for it. I cannot say I will shell out more money later for this unless it is a truly substantial expansion.

 
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But they never really promised a raid though. Everyone just assumed it was when the leak happened since the last expansion had a raid. I know I'm in the minority but Prison of Elders for me highlights my favorite part of the game, nothing but gunplay and it looks like this will require quite a bit of teamwork. Plus if they don't charge us for the raid coming later this year (wishful thinking I know), I'm fine with that.

They really should have had the other good Destiny streamer that isn't King Gothalion on.

Laced Up Lauren

I really wish we could have seen more of the guns and armor drops from this but maybe the video on Friday will?
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I think we all hoped for more content than we have received, but maybe I shouldn't bitch since I'm still playing for some reason. :beer:

I guess I was just hoping for some new content, new enemies, etc. Once we knew PoE was going to be a Horde mode I was hoping for something new and different, but it seems pretty standard. I was genuinely hyped up to the point of the stream today. Maybe it was the epic fail of that 90 minute run with Broman yelling and hysterically laughing every time they wiped. (Speaking of that I also have a splitting headache now too, lol)

Planetdestiny has a good reveiw up and says they were not allowed to reveal the rewards for completing other than there would be Fallen Themed weapons, Queens Armaments, Exotics and more. Link -> http://planetdestiny.com/prison-of-elders/

I already bought the pass so I'll still play it, but was just hoping for more.

 
BrolyB593 said:
This. I wouldnt be too annoyed if they came out and said such stuff will be free. This is the age of DLC however and nothing is free anymore (unless you are making the Witcher because you are awesome).
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The fact that they haven't come out and said this would be free speaks volumes. If they said that up front along with the announcement of no-raid-but-it-is-coming-later it would have placated a huge part of the fan base.
 
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Ryuukishi said:
Anyone think there will be new achievements with House of Wolves? :lol:
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GLOCKGLOCK said:
I think we all know that isn't happening :rofl:
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Bungie is well known for hating achievements so it is wishful thinking that they would add them :cry:

io said:
The fact that they haven't come out and said this would be free speaks volumes. If they said that up front along with the announcement of no-raid-but-it-is-coming-later it would have placated a huge part of the fan base.
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I think the additional raid will come with comet in the fall. So technically we are paying I guess?

 
Got my 3rd Gally last night finally. It was with my 2nd character (Titan). Never got one with my original Warlock. 2 with my final created character, Hunter.

 
So, i read up on the PoE reveal details from today and watched some snippets of video and I think it looks fun. It brings back a lot of good time memories from the months I spent playing ME3.  

 
simosaurus said:
So, i read up on the PoE reveal details from today and watched some snippets of video and I think it looks fun. It brings back a lot of good time memories from the months I spent playing ME3.
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Hah, yeah, it does kind of remind me of that too now that you mention it. That was pretty much the only other coop shooter game I played before Destiny.

I've watched about half of the original reveal now. Surprisingly I was not as annoyed by the guy as I expected to be. I thought his Cabal impression was pretty funny. And in general I hate loud annoying people and in particular those who are web celebs/gaming types.

Anyway, my impressions:

1) I'll need to learn to use shotguns in PvE a lot more than I have in the past. It seems like sniper rifles will be relatively useless here. I suppose I could also start to use fusion rifles. Besides Vex, I've never really used any - so I'm not at all proficient with ones you have to charge. (One caveat: near the end when two of them are dead and a Wizard is pelting their bodies with arc during an arc burn, it would probably have been useful to have a sniper rifle there to take it out from far away).
2) Fatebringer will continue to kick ass like usual. It looks like that will be the first legendary weapon I ascend.
3) Guns that regen health might be useful. Also perhaps Bad Juju with the auto reload might be pretty awesome here. You'd pretty much be able to keep killing stuff without a reload.
4) BUBBLE TITANS with Saint-14 are going to be huge. Pop those on the ogres, on the defuse points, etc... So I'm torn between starting off in this mode with my Titan for the bubble or my Warlock for the self-res.
5) Maybe there will finally be a use for the helms with fast revive capabilities. I've never seen much use for those in the past but when things get crazy being able to revive fast will be a plus.
6) While Gjallarhorn can still be useful here, it might make more sense to rock heavy machine guns in this mode since there's a good chance of things jumping in front of you. Plus you can keep the defuse zone clear with a machine gun/bubble and not as easily with a rocket launcher.
7) Because of the burn modifiers being present we'll have to have a good weapon of each type in each slot.

I'm also gathering that upgrading legendaries will be a slow. multi-week process so we'll have to choose carefully which to upgrade. I'm guessing we won't get more than 1 or 2 ethereal light per week at the beginning. It probably makes sense to go for armor first. But which ones? I'll have to think pretty hard on which legendary gear is going to get the first upgrades. Is the Crota stuff that regens health with orbs good? Or do we concentrate on the ammo perks?
 
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Yeah, I think the health regen with orbs helmet from Crota will be  handy to have as well Red Death/Suros.  I know they mentioned that some of the modifiers will involve No Health Regen. And it'd be better to have a legendary with that perk so you could use an exotic with another perk.

 
io said:
1) I'll need to learn to use shotguns in PvE a lot more than I have in the past. It seems like sniper rifles will be relatively useless here. I suppose I could also start to use fusion rifles. Besides Vex, I've never really used any - so I'm not at all proficient with ones you have to charge. (One caveat: near the end when two of them are dead and a Wizard is pelting their bodies with arc during an arc burn, it would probably have been useful to have a sniper rifle there to take it out from far away).
2) Fatebringer will continue to kick ass like usual. It looks like that will be the first legendary weapon I ascend.
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I've got a fully leveled Invective and it's so much fun to shoot, but even post-buff there's just not a lot of reason to use it over a sniper rifle or fusion rifle in PVE. I'm actually pretty stoked that Prison of Elders will be the shotgun's time to shine!

Fatebringer-- one gun to rule them all. It's almost not fair that we get to ascend it to the best stats. Even with its current stat disadvantage it's still a better choice than almost anything else.

 
I played a ton of Horde mode on Gears of War 2 so that is what I always think of when another game adds a mode like this. Actually I completed waves 1-50 on all 29 maps of horde mode on Gears 2 Japan version as well.  That was more for the achievements but I generally like this type of mode.  And I am in no way saying Gears Horde mode is some type of standard that others should live up to.  This does change things up a bit with the objectives thrown in there, which is probably where the Mass Effect comparison comes in.  I'm sure it is well done enough to keep my interest for a bit, plus I'm a bit of a loot whore so I'll stick around to see how it all plays out.

As for upgrading, I'm guessing the vendor gear will only be good enough to get us to level 33 like in TDB so we will need to ascend gear with etheric light or acquire/buy 34 light gear from ToO or PoE?  It will definitely take some time to get your level up unless you are really lucky with some drops.

Looking back at that stream today, I'm not saying that this mode isn't going to be hard at first,  but do you think that they might have set these guys up to fail in order to make it appear that we are getting more content than we actually are?  I mean I assume Deej is not very good since he is the Bungie version of Major Nelson and probably just appears to play the game for his job. I have no idea who Broman is but he was obviously pretty turrible.  As for the designer he might have 'made the game' but even if he was excellent (Which he was not) he wouldn't be able to carry that much dead weight.  Maybe they told them to make sure to drag this out longer than the hour long steams they had done previously in order to make it look more robust?  Probably just my own conspiracy theory, but I'm sure a good team could have made it through in an hour or less today.

 
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Ryuukishi said:
I'll go ahead and say that if you don't want to. :lol: Gears Horde is the standard that other games should live by.,
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Yea, thinking back to all the hours I played of Gears 2, Gears 2 Japan and Gears 3 horde I really did enjoy that mode. Getting a group of 4 and just grinding levels was fun. Maybe I am starting to convince myself that PoE is going to be something I really enjoy.... lol

Also they did release info on the new strike and some other info today like the Nightfall and Heroic will not be the same each week:

http://www.ign.com/articles/2015/05/06/destiny-major-changes-are-coming-to-the-nightfall-and-weekly-strike-missions

Activision had their Q1 earnings call today and they pretty much confirmed there would be a huge Destiny expansion (Comet) in the 2nd half of 2015

 
I'm up for a challenge so my Hunter (my main) is going to be the first to attempt The Arena. :D

#HunterMasterRace  ;)

I'm going to do a small write up either tonight or tomorrow about my preferences for weapon upgrades (legendary ones) with Etheric Light.  :)

Also, io

Been meaning to ask you if I could start a Destiny 2.0 thread and keep everyone's GT's and if they wish times they are on and some references and such.  Plus we could have a fresh new thread smell :D

 
I like the new mode, but bummed its only 3 players.  Thank God they added matchmaking though, my play schedule is so random that I can never join anyone.

Is PvP just like Iron Banner now, where the special ammo takes forever to respawn, or was that just something new added to IB...I haven't touched Clash in a while.

 
GLOCKGLOCK said:
Also they did release info on the new strike and some other info today like the Nightfall and Heroic will not be the same each week:

http://www.ign.com/articles/2015/05/06/destiny-major-changes-are-coming-to-the-nightfall-and-weekly-strike-missions
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Oh, nice. It will add at least a tiny bit of variety to have them be different.

Vendetta_x360 said:
Also, io

Been meaning to ask you if I could start a Destiny 2.0 thread and keep everyone's GT's and if they wish times they are on and some references and such. Plus we could have a fresh new thread smell :D
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If you have an idea of how you want this to look just go ahead and make a new thread. When it is ready I'll close this one.

LinkinPrime said:
I like the new mode, but bummed its only 3 players. Thank God they added matchmaking though, my play schedule is so random that I can never join anyone.
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Yeah, 6 would have been pretty awesome for this. Or even 4.

It is nice we can run the level 28 as much as we want and it has matchmaking. That will probably sort of replace running Roc strikes. Though I haven't run the strike playlists in a while since I've gotten lots of different ships and don't need marks. In fact, I wish there was something better to spend marks on other than planet materials that I also have too much of. Hopefully there's at least some small chance for etheric light in the level 28.
 
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LinkinPrime said:
I like the new mode, but bummed its only 3 players. Thank God they added matchmaking though, my play schedule is so random that I can never join anyone.

Is PvP just like Iron Banner now, where the special ammo takes forever to respawn, or was that just something new added to IB...I haven't touched Clash in a while.
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The special ammo changes in PvP were added when 1.1.2 update released last month.

I agree that having 4+ would be better for PoE. it would be something different since we already have 3 man teams for strikes and 6 man for raids. I know there are no checkpoints in PoE but I wonder how people dropping will be handled. Hopefully you can add people in game if someone drops out.

Also remember that only the base level 28 arena has matchmaking. If you want to do the level 32/34/35 challenge modes you need to form your own team.

 
I went months never using shotguns in PvE, but I started using them just to mix things up when I started my 3rd toon. Now, Found Verdict is a must-have when I use my Titan. Love that gun.

Know what they didn't mention during the live stream yesterday? The new bugs. I'm curious as to what new bugs and glitches will be introduced with PoE. Will we routinely get trapped in the foyer room? Will bosses spawn with void shields that only take arc damage? :)

And everyone: Stop talking about Fatebringer or they will be sure to nerf it! Let's divert their attention elsewhere with posts about how much we love MIDA.
 
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And everyone: Stop talking about Fatebringer or they will be sure to nerf it! Let's divert their attention elsewhere with posts about how much we love MIDA.
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Hah they are well aware that Fatebringer and G-horn are pretty much the best weapons in the game they have mentioned it countless times. I think we are safe if nothing has happened yet. : P

 
Congrats Krash.

Might be too soon for you to want to do it, but another tip to improve your loot opportunities would be to create another character of the same class type (if you made a titan make a 2nd titan, for example).

This would let you do the high-level stuff, which is where you get the good loot drops, twice each week.  It'll help speed up your lootage.

The only real grind in doing so is to hit level 20 with the new character. Once there, just move your 20+ gear from your main character over to the 2nd character as necessary.

 
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BrolyB593 said:
Hah they are well aware that Fatebringer and G-horn are pretty much the best weapons in the game they have mentioned it countless times. I think we are safe if nothing has happened yet. : P
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Oh, man, they better not nerf Ghorn...

krashhole said:
Finally hit level 26 last night. Holy crap what a grind fest that was!
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Hey, at 26 you can now run Vault of Glass on Normal. Maybe we can get a CAG crew together to take you through that. You should still work for Vanguard marks to buy more legendary gear though. Running the strike playlists is definitely the way to go for that as it also gives you lots of blue engrams that turn into armor materials which you will need to upgrade.

Also, you said you added me but I didn't see it in the activity feed so I couldn't add you back.

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So I jumped into a little normal Crucible for the first time last night. I played Clash and got a bunch of new Grimoire score for that mode plus some new maps. Can I say I really hate the wide open maps where everyone snipes - though I did get a few sniper kills with my brand new Efrideet's Spear so that was nice. I just need to capture my 20 salvage points to finish off the final achievement for Destiny (plus play whatever other modes there are for the Grimoire score - might as well push myself over 2700).

Oh yeah, and I also finally got my Thorn! So that was last exotic I needed to have them all. The Phogoth/Xyor part wasn't too bad. I had one friend help me with it but it was much easier than I thought it was going to be based on stuff I remember reading here earlier! Certainly the Crucible part was the biggest pain in the ass part of it. And once again in Crucible, just like in Iron Banner, there are people using that gun all the time. So I'll have to check it out and see if it is something I want to try out.
 
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And everyone: Stop talking about Fatebringer or they will be sure to nerf it! Let's divert their attention elsewhere with posts about how much we love MIDA.
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Shush you! Lets talk about how much we love Thorn so that OP gun can get nerfed. Bungie already screwed me by nerfing my percious Suros. I can't lose my MIDA now. Though as long as they don't touch Last Word for PvP I think I will be fine. ;)

Anyways.... 2 more FWC drops and what do you know... A shitty rocket and a bag of dicks (Ascendent Materials) :bomb: My titan is due next. I'm going to run bounties everyday until I get a fuck 'ing shader dammit!!!

 
Vendetta_x360 said:
Shush you! Lets talk about how much we love Thorn so that OP gun can get nerfed. Bungie already screwed me by nerfing my percious Suros. I can't lose my MIDA now.
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Haha. This is funny to me just because Bungie already knows all the stupid stuff we do in-game. Just comes down to whether they think it's a big enough deal to "fix it". Not laughing at you V, just is funny to me because we're all a bunch of lab rats in Bungie's experiments.

Like the heavy ammo glitch. That's getting "fixed" with the new dlc patch. But I think that's more to avoid mega heavy drops during Prison of Elders than it is to slow down Crota kills. Can you imagine teams burning through PoE in 20min just because they heavyammo'd all over the floor :lol:

 
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Finally got the Graverobber sparrow to drop from HM Crota last night!  I know it is just a reskin, but it was one of the few pieces of content that I had not had drop for me yet.  Only have the Praetorian Foil and Warlock Gloves from VoG.  I know the Foil is one of the rarest guns in the game but it doesn't even seem possible that those gloves haven't dropped yet for me.

Enjoyed the forbes article about their hands-on experience with PoE.  The same author wrote up another piece today about how all the end game activities in Destiny should all have matchmaking: http://www.forbes.com/sites/insertcoin/2015/05/07/everything-in-destiny-needs-matchmaking-yes-everything/

They are pushing the 1.2.0 update out next Tuesday which will have a bunch of changes and some HoW content included and version 1.2.0.1 will be launched on the 19th.  Glad we will get most of this stuff preloaded again to minimize issues they might have on the 19th when HoW goes live for everyone.

I am probably taking a day or two off from playing so will probably not be on until sometime over the weekend.  Think I need a break to recharge the Destiny batteries.

 
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So I played the other Crucible modes (besides Salvage which isn't active now). I kind of enjoyed Clash and even Rumble. I can hold my own in the solo matchups. But I thoroughly disliked Skirmish so I can see now I probably won't be bothering with Trials of Osiris. It is a real shame it has to be that mode. I was with a friend who is pretty good but we went up against a 3-man team on a big, wide-open map and they were just sniping us left and right. I couldn't even find them most of the time, then, boom, I'm dead. Half way through the match the random third person quit and it was 2 against a well-honed team of 3. And they were teabagging and pointing and all the stuff that little Millennial douchebags would get strung up for if I were supreme emperor ;).

We actually did win our first skirmish match pretty convincingly (when the other team was not in a 3-man fireteam) but then that second one was a disaster. I assume mostly pro groups will be running Trials of Osiris so it will be pretty brutal. But it could be that these guys were just the best of the best and I had an unlucky draw there.
 
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