2 Explosions at Boston Marathon

If you repeat a lie often enough, it becomes the truth.....



Our gov't would never lie to us....would they


In America no one ever seems to agree on anything political or ever side together except on "terrorism"... What better way to "unite" its citizens then with a couple of deaths here and there, the death of a few to justify the means. In a cruel joke the only time when people can ever come together and gov't works as one is when there is "terrorism"



Funny cause the only time when American gov't join together in bi-partnership is when we all happen to lose.....FREEDOMS and the CONSTITUTION
 
[quote name='willardhaven']WTF is happening in this thread.[/QUOTE]

Oh, right. Some of y'all don't have finger-shocker on your ignore lists.

I don't really need to make any argument as to why that's something you should do in this thread, do I?
 
[quote name='mykevermin']Oh, right. Some of y'all don't have finger-shocker on your ignore lists.

I don't really need to make any argument as to why that's something you should do in this thread, do I?[/QUOTE]

Good point.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']Oh, right. Some of y'all don't have finger-shocker on your ignore lists.

I don't really need to make any argument as to why that's something you should do in this thread, do I?[/QUOTE]

Ummm... that is an awesome pick!
 
This could be an edu-macational opportunity for people like GBAstar but probably won't since don't like reading information. This is a pretty good overview of US terrorism.


Is America the World’s Largest Sponsor of Terrorism?

http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2012/08/is-america-the-worlds-largest-sponsor-of-terrorism.html

Posted on August 6, 2012 by WashingtonsBlog
American Officials Admit that the U.S. Is a Huge Sponsor of Terrorism

The director of the National Security Agency under Ronald Reagan – Lt. General William Odom - noted:
Because the United States itself has a long record of supporting terrorists and using terrorist tactics, the slogans of today’s war on terrorism merely makes the United States look hypocritical to the rest of the world.
Odom also said:
By any measure the US has long used terrorism. In ‘78-79 the Senate was trying to pass a law against international terrorism – in every version they produced, the lawyers said the US would be in violation.
(audio here).
The Washington Post reported in 2010:
The United States has long been an exporter of terrorism, according to a secret CIA analysis released Wednesday by the Web site WikiLeaks.
The head and special agent in charge of the FBI’s Los Angeles office said that most terror attacks are committed by our CIA and FBI.
Wikipedia notes:
Chomsky and Herman observed that terror was concentrated in the U.S. sphere of influence in the Third World, and documented terror carried out by U.S. client states in Latin America. They observed that of ten Latin American countries that had death squads, all were U.S. client states.
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They concluded that the global rise in state terror was a result of U.S. foreign policy.
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In 1991, a book edited by Alexander L. George [the Graham H. Stuart Professor of Political Science Emeritus at Stanford University] also argued that other Western powers sponsored terror in Third World countries. It concluded that the U.S. and its allies were the main supporters of terrorism throughout the world.
Some in the American military have intentionally tried to “out-terrorize the terrorists”.
As Truthout notes:
Both [specialists Ethan McCord and Josh Stieber] say they saw their mission as a plan to “out-terrorize the terrorists,” in order to make the general populace more afraid of the Americans than they were of insurgent groups.
In the interview with [Scott] Horton, Horton pressed Stieber:
“… a fellow veteran of yours from the same battalion has said that you guys had a standard operating procedure, SOP, that said – and I guess this is a reaction to some EFP attacks on y’all’s Humvees and stuff that killed some guys – that from now on if a roadside bomb goes off, IED goes off, everyone who survives the attack get out and fire in all directions at anybody who happens to be nearby … that this was actually an order from above. Is that correct? Can you, you know, verify that?
Stieber answered:
“Yeah, it was an order that came from Kauzlarich himself, and it had the philosophy that, you know, as Finkel does describe in the book, that we were under pretty constant threat, and what he leaves out is the response to that threat. But the philosophy was that if each time one of these roadside bombs went off where you don’t know who set it … the way we were told to respond was to open fire on anyone in the area, with the philosophy that that would intimidate them, to be proactive in stopping people from making these bombs …”
Terrorism is defined as:
The use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, especially for political purposes.
So McCord and Stieber are correct: this constitutes terrorism by American forces in Iraq.
The U.S. has been supporting Al Qaeda and other terrorists in Afghanistan, Bosnia, Libya, Syria and Iran.
(The U.S. has also directly inserted itself into a sectarian war between the two main Islamic sects, backing the Sunnis and attacking the Shiites. See this, this and this. Because Saudi Arabia is the seat of the most radical sect of Islam – Wahhabism- the U.S. unquestioning support of the Saudis is indirectly supporting terrorism.)
Torture – which the U.S. has liberally used during the last 10 years – has long been recognized as a form of terrorism.
Wikipedia notes:
Worldwide, 74% of countries that used torture on an administrative basis were U.S. client states, receiving military and other support to retain power.
Of course, some would say that the American policy of assassination – especially using drone strikes on people whose identity isn’t even known – is a form of terrorism. And see this and this.
Particularly when the U.S. is using the justifiably-vilified Al Qaeda tactic of killing people attending funerals of those killed – and targeting people attempting to rescue people who have been injured by – our previous strikes.
Some Specific Examples …

The CIA admits that it hired Iranians in the 1950′s to pose as Communists and stage bombings in Iran in order to turn the country against its democratically-elected prime minister.
The former Italian Prime Minister, an Italian judge, and the former head of Italian counterintelligenceadmit that NATO, with the help of the Pentagon and CIA, carried out terror bombings in Italy and other European countries in the 1950s and blamed the communists, in order to rally people’s support for their governments in Europe in their fight against communism.
As one participant in this formerly-secret program stated: “You had to attack civilians, people, women, children, innocent people, unknown people far removed from any political game. The reason was quite simple. They were supposed to force these people, the Italian public, to turn to the state to ask for greater security” (and see this)(Italy and other European countries subject to the terror campaign had joined NATO before the bombings occurred).
As admitted by the U.S. government, recently declassified documents show that in the 1960′s, the American Joint Chiefs of Staff signed off on a plan to blow up AMERICAN airplanes (using an elaborate plan involving the switching of airplanes), and also to commit terrorist acts on American soil, and then to blame it on the Cubans in order to justify an invasion of Cuba. See the following ABC news report; the official documents; and watch this interview with the former Washington Investigative Producer for ABC’s World News Tonight with Peter Jennings.
Nine months earlier, a false flag attack was discussed in order to justify an invasion of the Dominican Republic. Specifically, according to official State Department records, Under Secretary of State Chester Bowles wrote on June 3, 1961:
The Vice President [Lyndon Johnson], [Attorney General] Bob Kennedy, Secretary [of Defense Robert] McNamara, Dick Goodwin [who was Deputy Assistant Secretary of State for Inter-American Affairs], [head of the Joint Chiefs of Staff] General Lemnitzer, Wyn Coerr, and Ted Achilles were here. Bob McNamara and Lemnitzer stated that under the terms of the contingency paper, they were required to be prepared to move into the island on short order if required to do so, and this, in their opinion, called for substantially more troops that we had in the area. After some discussion we considered two more aircraft carriers, some destroyers, and 12,000 marines should be moved into a position some one hundred miles off the Dominican Republic shore…
The tone of the meeting was deeply disturbing. Bob Kennedy was clearly looking for an excuse to move in on the island. At one point he suggested, apparently seriously, that we might have to blow up the Consulate to provide the rationale.
His general approach, vigorously supported by Dick Goodwin, was that this was a bad government, that there was a strong chance that it might team up with Castro, and that it should be destroyed–with an excuse if possible, without one if necessary.
Rather to my surprise, Bob McNamara seemed to support this view …
The entire spirit of this meeting was profoundly distressing and worrisome, and I left at 8:00 p.m. with a feeling that this spirit which I had seen demonstrated on this occasion and others at the White House by those so close to the President constitutes a further danger of half-cocked action by people with almost no foreign policy experience, who are interested in action for action’s sake, and the devil take the highmost …
[At a subsequent meeting], Bob McNamara went along with their general view that our problem was not to prepare against an overt act by the Dominican Republic but rather to find an excuse for going into the country and upsetting it.
Department of Justice lawyer John Yoo suggested in 2005 that the US should go on the offensive against al-Qaeda, having “our intelligence agencies create a false terrorist organization. It could have its own websites, recruitment centers, training camps, and fundraising operations. It could launch fake terrorist operations and claim credit for real terrorist strikes, helping to sow confusion within al-Qaeda’s ranks, causing operatives to doubt others’ identities and to question the validity of communications.”
As Chris Floyd and many others have noted, this plan has gone live.
United Press International reported in June 2005:
U.S. intelligence officers are reporting that some of the insurgents in Iraq are using recent-model Beretta 92 pistols, but the pistols seem to have had their serial numbers erased. The numbers do not appear to have been physically removed; the pistols seem to have come off a production line without any serial numbers. Analysts suggest the lack of serial numbers indicates that the weapons were intended for intelligence operations or terrorist cells with substantial government backing. Analysts speculate that these guns are probably from either Mossad or the CIA. Analysts speculate that agent provocateurs may be using the untraceable weapons even as U.S. authorities use insurgent attacks against civilians as evidence of the illegitimacy of the resistance.
There is substantial additional evidence of hanky panky in Iraq.
 
This could be an edu-macational opportunity for people like GBAstar but probably won't since don't like reading information. This is a pretty good overview of US terrorism.

Nice drivel.

Accurate and relevant too :roll:

American Officials Admit that the U.S. Is a Huge Sponsor of Terrorism

The director of the National Security Agency under Ronald Reagan – Lt. General William Odom - noted:
Because the United States itself has a long record of supporting terrorists and using terrorist tactics, the slogans of today’s war on terrorism merely makes the United States look hypocritical to the rest of the world.

Lt. General William Odom has been dead for five years.

By any measure the US has long used terrorism. In ‘78-79 the Senate was trying to pass a law against international terrorism – in every version they produced, the lawyers said the US would be in violation.

violation of what?


Post something well written and factual and I'll read it. I'm going to stop there. I mean some of those links are redirecting me to a tripod page. A MOTHER fuckING TRIPOD Page.

If you're going to put something together at least use a page built on angelfire... or geocities...
 
[quote name='GBAstar']Nice drivel.

Accurate and relevant too :roll:



Lt. General William Odom has been dead for five years.



violation of what?


Post something well written and factual and I'll read it. I'm going to stop there. I mean some of those links are redirecting me to a tripod page. A MOTHER fuckING TRIPOD Page.

If you're going to put something together at least use a page built on angelfire... or geocities...[/QUOTE]

Really, this is not relevant info because its more than what you claim to not read which is... nothing? So, let's all understand your "thought process" here. You don't understand the relevance of history and RECENT history? Wow, you really like to lay out your deficiencies here. And just cherry-picking facts that are historical relevant and claiming that history does not matter and then ignoring the current info posted does not do anything for your arguments. FYI, US terror has been going on for DECADES. But, for a dumbfuck like you history has no bearing on the present. And as an American, you wear your lack of knowledge on YOUR OWN history as a badge of honor. PATHETIC. People like you are the reason democracy fails in the US.

So, instead of just saying something is "irrelevant" make an argument on WHY it is. Just because you say its so is a terrible argument. Do you even know how to make an argument? Start with the Odom statement. Nowhere in your above "critique" did you address the substance of his statement. Nowhere. Likely, because you can't. It's called cognitive dissonance which is why you have this feeling of mental paralysis you're experiencing.
 
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[quote name='joeboosauce']Really, this is not relevant info because its more than what you claim to not read which is... nothing? So, let's all understand your "thought process" here. You don't understand the relevance of history and RECENT history? Wow, you really like to lay out your deficiencies here. And just cherry-picking facts that are historical relevant and claiming that history does not matter and then ignoring the current info posted does not do anything for your arguments. FYI, US terror has been going on for DECADES. But, for a dumbfuck like you history has no bearing on the present. And as an American, you wear your lack of knowledge on YOUR OWN history as a badge of honor. PATHETIC. People like you are the reason democracy fails in the US.[/QUOTE]

Terror, in general, has been used as a tool since the start of the modern world and most of the first recorded instances occurred in the same shit holes that the U.S. currently occupies thousands of years before we existed as a nation.

But it sure is fun to blame the U.S. for all problems past present and future.
 
One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter

However the word terrorist is no different then the word n**ger, just a word to degrade the opponent and lessen their status or right to be heard, so as one have a excuse to subjugate and view oneself as the superior moral high ground.

But guess what the South was engage in many acts of TERRORISM too, no one seem to call it that?
 
[quote name='GBAstar']Terror, in general, has been used as a tool since the start of the modern world and most of the first recorded instances occurred in the same shit holes that the U.S. currently occupies thousands of years before we existed as a nation.

But it sure is fun to blame the U.S. for all problems past present and future.[/QUOTE]

Look up the CIA term called "blowback." Seems they know things lemmings like you don't. It is very edu-macational. And thanks for proving you can't address Odom's very relevant point on US terrorism. Hypocrite.
 
[quote name='joeboosauce']This could be an edu-macational opportunity for people like GBAstar but probably won't since don't like reading information. This is a pretty good overview of US terrorism.


Is America the World’s Largest Sponsor of Terrorism?[/QUOTE]

You know what's sick? Many of the talking heads like Hannity, Beck, Coulter, etc. probably would reply with, "yes, isn't it great that we can do these things. We're a democracy, they aren't. Der, der, der."

Good links. Anyone who refuses to look at the impact our foreign policy has on animosity and attacks against the US either have their head in the sand and are unaware/ignorant, or are outright lying to themselves and to us.
 
[quote name='berzirk']You know what's sick? Many of the talking heads like Hannity, Beck, Coulter, etc. probably would reply with, "yes, isn't it great that we can do these things. We're a democracy, they aren't. Der, der, der."

Good links. Anyone who refuses to look at the impact our foreign policy has on animosity and attacks against the US either have their head in the sand and are unaware/ignorant, or are outright lying to themselves and to us.[/QUOTE]

They are sick people who are essentially masterbating to US murder campaigns of innocent people who don't look like them. It's really sick, the degree to which these people love war and terrorism and don't even realize it. Well, history (which I'm told in these forums is irrelevant by uneducated hillbillies) shows that the citizens are the greatest proponents of empire and will do anything to justify it and are completely oblivious to the actual state of affairs inside and outside of their country.
 
[quote name='joeboosauce']They are sick people who are essentially masterbating to US murder campaigns of innocent people who don't look like them. It's really sick, the degree to which these people love war and terrorism and don't even realize it. Well, history (which I'm told in these forums is irrelevant by uneducated hillbillies) shows that the citizens are the greatest proponents of empire and will do anything to justify it and are completely oblivious to the actual state of affairs inside and outside of their country.[/QUOTE]

Now now, there are plenty of cityfolk that are just as ignorant and gung-ho about killin terrists.
 
[quote name='dohdough']Now now, there are plenty of cityfolk that are just as ignorant and gung-ho about killin terrists.[/QUOTE]

Haha! Touche! On this fair point, I will actually concede! LOL
 
[quote name='RedvsBlue']Fair point, BUT those were just proposals and everyone that wrote those are long since dead or at the very least retired. I also remember in my western civilization class there was a proposal/military plan that if Canada ever invaded the US (because they went full commie from socialism during the cold war, of course...) through North Dakota the plan was to wall of North Dakota and let them have it. Point being, there's plenty of pie in the sky proposals and plans out there, that doesn't mean they're even close to happening, it just means some military analyst needs to justify their job. At the end of the day, the main failure of every single conspiracy theory is too many people need to keep their mouths shut for it to work.[/QUOTE]

Yes, its a proposal but what it indicates is that these plans are proposed, not your assumptions of job retention and so forth. And in this proposal, it was a plan to commit terrorist acts upon US civilians and blame it on another government to create a pretext for invading a nation. The fact these kind of conspiracies are first conceived by high officials (in this case the Joint Chiefs), put to paper, and then presented to the US President (Kennedy who rejected the plan). This is pretty serious. Let's not forget that conspiracies are pretty normal within our government. Here's a few:
1. Iran Contra Conspiracy (Affairs are for banging someone outside your marriage.)
2. Gulf of Tonkin incident which is now known to be staged... which took us into Vietnam.
3. Iraq War WMD/al Qaeda Intel Manufacturing Conspiracy (Thank you Downing Street memo.)
4. PR firm Hill and Knowlton which manufactured and staged hearings of witnesses testifying to Iraqi soldiers "pulling babies out of incubators" which compelled Congress to support the Gulf War.
5. Numerous covert ops (AKA conspiracies) to overthrow/subvert foreign governments all verifiable by the ultimate conspiracy site: http://www.foia.cia.gov/. So, the US government conspires as common practice against civilians of other nations but they miraculously will not conspire against the domestic populations. Whew!
6. Oh yeah, then there is the 1999 civil trial which found the MLK, Jr assassination was indeed a conspiracy which ran through the federal down to the local government. Look it up. I shit you not. Maybe worse so is the fact that the mainstream media refused to cover this kinda sorta important trial verdict but covers crap/entertainment trials like OJ Simpson, Casey Anthony, etc. Maybe points to some sort of press conspiracy but who knows.
7. COINTELPRO
8. List could go on and on...

So, by no means does this mean I buy into all conspiracies (like the Running Man/Universal Soldier Boston bombing presented here) but there is plenty of proof of hundreds of conspiracies committed by our democracy-lovin' government. (I'm not even raising conspiracies by others such as big business of which there are many.) So, there is plenty of reason for people to distrust their gov't and buy into conspiracy theories when there is PLENTY of conspiracy FACT. The government has done a great job setting the Pavlovian response to the word "conspiracy." I'm not sure most people who use the word know the definition.
 
[quote name='joeboosauce'] US "terrorism"[/QUOTE]

You think that's bad. Just imagine what the rest of the world's governments aren't telling you.
 
[quote name='Knoell']You think that's bad. Just imagine what the rest of the world's governments aren't telling you.[/QUOTE]

As soon as they occupy us or "give us democracy" we'll be sure to make the fair comparison.
 
[quote name='Knoell']You think that's bad. Just imagine what the rest of the world's governments aren't telling you.[/QUOTE]

So, we can HYPOTHESIZE that "they might be as bad as we are!" That's a great rationale! And we can keep saying that "we are the City upon the Hill."
 
[quote name='joeboosauce']So, we can HYPOTHESIZE that "they might be as bad as we are!" That's a great rationale! And we can keep saying that "we are the City upon the Hill."[/QUOTE]

Who said anything about them being as bad as we are?

It is the job of our government to protect our interests both home and abroad. That is not to say they always make the right decision, or don't hide it from us when they do something wrong. They are people, just like anyone else after all.

My point was that many other governments pull the same type of crap with the rest of the world to protect their interests as well.

You can argue the effectiveness of the decision all day long. It's effectiveness isn't the point.

The difference is that the US despite it's mistakes does much more to be an anchor for the world than any of you give it credit for.

[quote name='berzirk']As soon as they occupy us or "give us democracy" we'll be sure to make the fair comparison.[/QUOTE]

We had our share of being messed with in the past.
 
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[quote name='Knoell']We had our share of being messed with in the past.[/QUOTE]

Really? I'm being serious. Who occupied the United States of America, tried to change our form of government, support a coup, or established military bases here? It's entirely possible it has happened, I'm just not aware.
 
[quote name='berzirk']Really? I'm being serious. Who occupied the United States of America, tried to change our form of government, support a coup, or established military bases here? It's entirely possible it has happened, I'm just not aware.[/QUOTE]

I have to go to work, but quickly I do know that the British supplied weapons to the indians to fight us because they didn't like that we traded with France etc etc

Edit: Oh and the occupation of New York, New Orleans, and D.C. (not to mention the burning of D.C.). The burning of Buffalo, which is where I live :). But I am sure we as Americans did something to deserve it. We are just an evil people.

I feel as though if we didn't have an ocean separating us, we would of had a lot more interference from the europeans. Today globalization and technological advances have changed that. Anyone can stick their nose into anyones business.
 
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[quote name='Knoell']I have to go to work, but quickly I do know that the British supplied weapons to the indians to fight us because they didn't like that we traded with France etc etc

I feel as though if we didn't have an ocean separating us, we would of had a lot more interference from the europeans. Today globalization and technological advances has changed that. Anyone can stick their nose into anyones business.[/QUOTE]

Maybe. The British, French, and Spanish were pretty cool with getting on ships and fucking other people's territories up though (Middle East, SE Asia, Africa, Central and South America). Between missionaries and Imperialism, I think that's the root of about 75% of the world's problems today.
 
[quote name='Knoell']
The difference is that the US despite it's mistakes does much more to be an anchor for the world than any of you give it credit for.[/QUOTE]

Really Knoell? Anchor? You do know our governments purpose has been destabilization of various regions. Anchor for ourselves, yes. But let's not delude ourselves, the complete and total opposite of anchor for the rest of the world.

Does an anchor ignore international law? Law that they set up? Invade nations at will?

Does an anchor destabilize democratically elected governments in it's own backyard (and elsewhere of course)?

Does an anchor support dictators against the will of the population?

Does an anchor support the training of torturers, human rights abusers, and terrorists?

Does an anchor stonewall moves toward secularism and foment religious zealotry?

Does an anchor sell weapons to armies and militias in civil conflicts which commit horrendous atrocities?

Does an anchor harbor terrorists and refuse to extradite them?

Does an anchor spread radioactive material all over foreign lands which cause major birth defects in newborns? And refuse to clean it up?

Does an anchor force UN sanctions (which even its allies oppose) that MURDER 3000 children (only counting age 5 and under) a month for 10 years?

Not surprising that you would be ignorant of the above. (Read the quote in my sig.) If you contest any of those points or want more info, let me know. I'd be glad to inform.
 
[quote name='joeboosauce']Really Knoell? Anchor? You do know our governments purpose has been destabilization of various regions. Anchor for ourselves, yes. But let's not delude ourselves, the complete and total opposite of anchor for the rest of the world.

Does an anchor ignore international law? Law that they set up? Invade nations at will?

Does an anchor destabilize democratically elected governments in it's own backyard (and elsewhere of course)?

Does an anchor support dictators against the will of the population?

Does an anchor support the training of torturers, human rights abusers, and terrorists?

Does an anchor stonewall moves toward secularism and foment religious zealotry?

Does an anchor sell weapons to armies and militias in civil conflicts which commit horrendous atrocities?

Does an anchor harbor terrorists and refuse to extradite them?

Does an anchor spread radioactive material all over foreign lands which cause major birth defects in newborns? And refuse to clean it up?

Does an anchor force UN sanctions (which even its allies oppose) that MURDER 3000 children (only counting age 5 and under) a month for 10 years?

Not surprising that you would be ignorant of the above. (Read the quote in my sig.) If you contest any of those points or want more info, let me know. I'd be glad to inform.[/QUOTE]

1. You don't have a quote.

2. You ignore all the good we do in the world. You either ignore it, or you are ignorent of it, or you devalue it so much, that you don't think it amounts to anything.

3. I am well aware of the wrongs the US has committed. That's not to say I agree with the accurracy of the of everything you listed. Are you aware that the rest of the world does similar things? Be against them all you want, but get real man.

Either way, you are ignorant. I am real, our country is run by people, and people are flawed. Therefore we will do some bad things, among the many great things.
 
[quote name='IRHari']It's much harder to criticize your own country than it is to criticize someone else's.[/QUOTE]

Tell that to the citizens of the other ~ 195 countries in the world.
 
[quote name='Knoell']1. You don't have a quote.

2. You ignore all the good we do in the world. You either ignore it, or you are ignorent of it, or you devalue it so much, that you don't think it amounts to anything.

3. I am well aware of the wrongs the US has committed. That's not to say I agree with the accurracy of the of everything you listed. Are you aware that the rest of the world does similar things? Be against them all you want, but get real man.

Either way, you are ignorant. I am real, our country is run by people, and people are flawed. Therefore we will do some bad things, among the many great things.[/QUOTE]

Quote? You mean a source? What do you want to know? No problem giving you any.

"All the good"??? What? You mean all the "charity" we give? All the anti-democracy we spread? How about perpetuating global inequality foisting up the global plutocracy which exists? How about all the rampant war we create directly and indirectly? And that #1 arms dealer honor we have? Hows that for creating good? How about force feeding neoliberal policies down the throats of weaker nations? You have one part right, we do evil. You just want to wrap it up in lovely wrapping paper and say we are a force for good. Here's some math: 3000x12x10 Figure that out and let me know how many lives that is. "We think the price is worth it."
 
[quote name='GBAstar']Tell that to the citizens of the other ~ 195 countries in the world.[/QUOTE]

According to this "logic," no one should've criticized the British, French, Portugese, Roman Mongol, etc empires. All EQUALLY culpable! Kumbaya! You know, those Maldives! They done a whole lotta bad! Worse than the rest!
 
[quote name='joeboosauce']According to this "logic," no one should've criticized the British, French, Portugese, Roman Mongol, etc empires. All EQUALLY culpable! Kumbaya! You know, those Maldives! They done a whole lotta bad! Worse than the rest![/QUOTE]

Right so a country that kills its own (and others) using the highly effective "child wearing dynamite vest" all while telling the child that the explosion won't harm him can cast the first stone?

Gotcha.
 
[quote name='GBAstar']Right so a country that kills its own (and others) using the highly effective "child wearing dynamite vest" all while telling the child that the explosion won't harm him can cast the first stone?

Gotcha.[/QUOTE]

Name me a country that does this. Yeah, didn't think so. You are such a stupid ignorant fuck. It's truly amazing. Really, it truly is. You don't even know :whee:YOUR OWN HISTORY \\:D/and you spew this rubbish on other countries which you know even less about.

Time to hit dem books you so don't like to read. And you know what? Why don't you go home, read some factual books (Lim-baa doesn't count), and THEN come talk to the grown-ups.
 
[quote name='joeboosauce']According to this "logic," no one should've criticized the British, French, Portugese, Roman Mongol, etc empires. All EQUALLY culpable! Kumbaya! You know, those Maldives! They done a whole lotta bad! Worse than the rest![/QUOTE]

Out of all those empires, I'm disappointed that you didn't mention the Ottomans.:lol:
 
[quote name='dohdough']Out of all those empires, I'm disappointed that you didn't mention the Ottomans.:lol:[/QUOTE]
I would mention the Armenian empire before them... haha.
 
[quote name='GBAstar']Right so a country that kills its own (and others) using the highly effective "child wearing dynamite vest" all while telling the child that the explosion won't harm him can cast the first stone?

Gotcha.[/QUOTE]

I don't think there's really any "country" that sends child suicide bombers out and about.

At least, there's none with that as an official policy, so far as I can recall.
 
Whats funny, is that one side says America sucks and the other side say America is great... One side haven't made America better, while the other side have no incentive on making America better..

Sounds like a impasse to me...

I still enjoy watching all the media waste their time talking about how unfair a poor white girl spent 4 years in jail in Italy when we have hundreds of people ( mainly minorities who spent 5 to 6x the amount of time locked up for crimes that they didn't commit ) IN AMERICA...

Of course its so much easier to accuse and provoke outrage at other countries without looking onself in the mirror. We are one shameful nation, one can't help but understand why everyone else outside the USA hate us.. Some one who pushes moral authority that one self don't have... is a dangerous combination
 
Gov't ( USA ) sanctioned terrorism kills thousands of innocents and anti-gov't terrorist kills hundreds of innocent people...

Only two sides with the middle who pays for the crimes of either side.

One side just happens to have a well funded well oiled corporate media/propaganda machine working for them
 
[quote name='joeboosauce']Quote? You mean a source? What do you want to know? No problem giving you any.

"All the good"??? What? You mean all the "charity" we give? All the anti-democracy we spread? How about perpetuating global inequality foisting up the global plutocracy which exists? How about all the rampant war we create directly and indirectly? And that #1 arms dealer honor we have? Hows that for creating good? How about force feeding neoliberal policies down the throats of weaker nations? You have one part right, we do evil. You just want to wrap it up in lovely wrapping paper and say we are a force for good. Here's some math: 3000x12x10 Figure that out and let me know how many lives that is. "We think the price is worth it."[/QUOTE]

Well if you can't or are unwilling to acknowledge that the US does good then I am going to revert to the same reasoning and say "what bad? Oh you mean those little things? Meh"
 
[quote name='UncleBob']I don't think there's really any "country" that sends child suicide bombers out and about.

At least, there's none with that as an official policy, so far as I can recall.[/QUOTE]

There are many countries that use children soldiers to fight their battles.
 
[quote name='Knoell']There are many countries that use children soldiers to fight their battles.[/QUOTE]

Man, he was talking about "child suicide bombers" or somethign like that he heard from Rush Lim-baaaaaa. Child soldiers is another issue and who's supplying them with weapons? Could it quite possibly be the :twoguns:#1 :twoguns: arms dealer in the world? Yay, we are #1!!!! #1!! #1!!! 'Merica rah rah rah!!!!

So, tell us what good do we do?

Is it as good as this?
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Thank you dear generous USA for depositing nuclear weapons (DU) upon Iraq. Yet another gift of goodness you donate to others!!!!

EDIT: It was necessary to make proper use of emoticons once I found the perfect twoguns one. Just now learning the magic of emoticons! :whee:
 
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[quote name='joeboosauce']Man, he was talking about "child suicide bombers" or somethign like that he heard from Rush Lim-baaaaaa. Child soldiers is another issue and who's supplying them with weapons? Could it quite possibly be the #1 arms dealer in the world? Yay, we are #1!!!! #1!! #1!!! 'Merica rah rah rah!!!!

So, tell us what good do we do?[/QUOTE]

No actually the most recent information I have seen on child bombers was on a show produced by your man Bill Maher and if IIRC that episode featured one segment on child soldiers in the Phillipines and another on children bombers and Afghans kills Afghans in Kabul
 
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[quote name='GBAstar']No actually the most recent information I have seen on child bombers was on a show produced by your man Bill Maher and if IIRC that episode featured one segment on child soldiers in the Phillipines and another on children bombers and Afghans kills Afghans in Kabul[/QUOTE]

Why would you ASS-ume Maher is my man? Did you see me and hanging out at the mall?

How about you go read up on
:whee:YOUR OWN HISTORY \\:D/
 
Now before people get their panties all bunch up about child soliders, it also go on in the USA... Ok maybe we ain't sending 10 or 11 year olds to war, but we sure are sending 17 year olds there, we are recruiting kids starting from 16 and training them so we can deploy them when they are 18.

In those countries the most uneducated and poor kids are all drafted into the military, funny in America it is the same thing... The kids with the least education and economic status ends up in the military too
 
[quote name='Spokker']Goddamn that kid is sprouting yams. His family will never go hungry again.[/QUOTE]

And the above line is a great example which sums up the mode of existence of a certain type of American. That statement sums up your soul and essence. So sad...
 
[quote name='joeboosauce']And the above line is a great example which sums up the mode of existence of a certain type of American. That statement sums up your soul and essence. So sad...[/QUOTE]


Lighten up, Francis.;)
 
[quote name='egofed']Lighten up, Francis.;)[/QUOTE]

I'd like to lighten up but with people who support atrocities such as the picture above, I can't feel anything but contempt their kind. Who wants to kill and torture kids like this? I'm sure all people of conscience feel the same way about their kind.
 
[quote name='GBAstar']No actually the most recent information I have seen on child bombers was on a show produced by your man Bill Maher and if IIRC that episode featured one segment on child soldiers in the Phillipines and another on children bombers and Afghans kills Afghans in Kabul[/QUOTE]

OK...I think you might be using "country" and "disorganized band of foreign militia" interchangeably. There are COUNTRIES who as a means of fighting wars, strap dynamite to their children, and tell them it will be fine, just go kill some foreigners?

There are some major legal differences between the two. I'm not sure you understand that, because it seems like in your mind there are two groups in this world: Americans from America, and foreigners from Foreignastan.
 
[quote name='berzirk']OK...I think you might be using "country" and "disorganized band of foreign militia" interchangeably. There are COUNTRIES who as a means of fighting wars, strap dynamite to their children, and tell them it will be fine, just go kill some foreigners?

There are some major legal differences between the two. I'm not sure you understand that, because it seems like in your mind there are two groups in this world: Americans from America, and foreigners from Foreignastan.[/QUOTE]

Yes that is my gaffe.

I didn't mean to suggest that there is a country out there that unilaterally recognizes that tactic as a means of warfare it whole heartily supports. Except maybe in the instance of the war in Vietnam...

However some countries don't have a single recognized central government and these tactics are being used and supported by groups that at least represent a marginal amount of political influence and power.
 
[quote name='joeboosauce']Man, he was talking about "child suicide bombers" or somethign like that he heard from Rush Lim-baaaaaa. Child soldiers is another issue and who's supplying them with weapons? Could it quite possibly be the #1 \\:D/ arms dealer in the world? Yay, we are #1!!!! #1!! #1!!! 'Merica rah rah rah!!!!

So, tell us what good do we do?

Is it as good as this?
Thank you dear generous USA for depositing nuclear weapons (DU) upon Iraq. Yet another gift of goodness you donate to others!!!![/QUOTE]

You are quite an obnoxious person.

I'm not sure you have any idea of what you are talking about.

It is almost as if you are just googling US terrorism and posting whatever you can dig up with no context or reference.

For one, "we are killing 3,000 children a day with sanctions even our allies oppose"

Between 2006 and 2010, America got the UN Security Council to adopt six resolutions authorizing multilateral sanctions against Iran - also with limited impact, because China and Russia refused to allow any resolution to pass that would have harmed their interests in Iran

Oh, the saviors Russia and China! The champions of human rights and salvation of the people!

Hahahahaha.

They don't even treat their own people right. Not to mention their motives for being against sanctions aren't based on their heart of gold.
 
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