[quote name='loserboy']Dragonlordfrodo wrote:
Well would you rather have this
1 person arrested
or
1,000 more killed in a terrorist attack.
We live in a different time now. We can't have everything so loose like before. This is how 9/11 happened. We were too lax with security. I mean it is sad for the guy, but what other alternative was there??
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It's not as simple as that though is it? Is it just one person who has been wrongfully detained or is it hundreds or thousands? What about your e-mail communications, should the government be able to search through them in the name of national security? Your mail? You underwear drawer?
Civil liberties are the most important thing we have? Thousands have died to protect those liberties? I remember how after 9/11 whenever anyone wanted to change the way we did things Bush (and just about everyone else) said "Well, then the terrorists have won."
i've got news for you, the more we are willing to give up of our rights and freedoms-even at the risk of lives-the more the terrorists win.
This country has a ridiculous history of panicking when the rest of the world looks at us and wonders. We interned our own citizens Japanese, Germans, Italians during WWII. We are doing it again now.
"Give me liberty, or give me death." Those words are becoming fainter and fainter and are having less and less meaning as we choose to live in fear and sacrifice all that we have always held dear.
The truth of the matter is that regardless of how much snooping and spying the government does it will not stop anyone who is willing to sacrifice their own life. Plain and simple...giving up our liberties is not part of fighting terrorism, it is a way the government can keep us ignorant, afraid and uninformed.
So do I want to see thousands die, a thousand have already died in Iraq, about 900 of them Americans. And this was a war based on lies and deceit, on fear and misguided patriotism. It was not a war that had to do with terrorism or keeping out country free.
So we have already lost another 1,000 people AND given up a huge chunk of our freedom. Looks like a win/win for Bush and his cronies. Keep the fear alive, vote Bush 2004.[/quote]
Yes the Government should be able to look through your emails. What have you got to hide? If you aren't hiding anything, why would you care.
We have never been free to blow up buildings in the name of imaginary allah. This guy was clearly doing something to attract the attention of the feds. And considering he is using a fake name (I doubt any Middle easterner has the name Ian Spiers), not showing ID, AND the fact that he himself wrote that web page (He may have been leaving out huge parts of the story, to make himself look more innocent), I don't think anyone should be defending the man.
About the Iraq war. Are you glad saddam is out of power? So what if we didn't find WMDs, we never knew they were there to begin with, the president even said that. Saddam had a deadline to get rid of all WMDs within like 72 hours or they would go to war. Saddam sat back and did nothing. Then the UN weapons inspectors were not allowed were they needed to go. Suspicious? I think so.
Don't get me wrong, I do not like bush in the least bit. But it is because of a totally different issue, or issues he is against. The main one is the whole FCC thing with Howard Stern. Also I don't like how he is against Stem Cell research and Abortion. However there are thing I do agree with him on, including banning of Gay marriage and the war. But I think I am going to vote for Kerry this year. And if Howard Dean was still running, I would vote for him...