MMA (UFC, Strikeforce, Bellator, Invicta, etc.) Discussion Thread -- Version II

I prefer the term over the hill. It is hard to describe one of the top-5 of all time as a tomato can. Besides no picking on Fedor right now. Fedor said he didn't like Kadyrov's kid MMA event so he had Fedor's daughter jumped and beaten. Sending her to the hospital.

http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2016/10/12/13256490/fedor-daughter-attacked-after-criticism-against-kadyrov-child-mma-news

Back to GSP. Maybe he just wants a few big money easy fights. I doubt Bellator or the rest can match the pay he was getting, but I don't know if GSP warrants the same pay now. If he isn't able to fight top 5 guys he probably should've be getting the few million a fight he wants (compared to the other guys who are fighting for 100K). I'd love to see some GSP, but maybe it is better of this way. When BJ Penn makes his second post retirement return we may all regret it.

 
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I prefer the term over the hill. It is hard to describe one of the top-5 of all time as a tomato can. Besides no picking on Fedor right now. Fedor said he didn't like Kadyrov's kid MMA event so he had Fedor's daughter jumped and beaten. Sending her to the hospital.

http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2016/10/12/13256490/fedor-daughter-attacked-after-criticism-against-kadyrov-child-mma-news
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Ha, I knew I should have clarified. I wasn't calling Fedor a tomato can. I meant fighting tomato cans like Fedor DOES, lol.

But yeah, I saw that about Fedor's daughter. That's messed up. Kadyrov is crazy.

 
Interesting that GSP said the new owners withdrew the offer Fertita made and gave a much smaller one. I wonder why they opted for that - enough stars with Connor and Ronda? I would think a GSP return fight against the current champion would be a very easy sell. It may not reach Connor or Ronda numbers, but at least it would have one of the best fighters instead of the Connor/Diaz sideshow we've gotten for the last year.

 
Good fucking grief...

http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2016/10/23/13368664/photo-ronda-rousey-prepares-for-ufc-207-return-with-olympic-boxer-mma-news

Ronda...you're not going to suddenly learn how to box at almost 30 years old. It's not happening. At most, you need a defensive jab and timing to avoid punches and tie up. How in the hell are you going to arm bar your first 11 opponents in a row...and then just want to bang with people? So freaking stupid. She should be wrestlefucking bitches GSP style. And if her knees are too bad for that, then retire. I really don't want to see Ronda get her head kicked off again.

 
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TheN8torious said:
Good fucking grief...

http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2016/10/23/13368664/photo-ronda-rousey-prepares-for-ufc-207-return-with-olympic-boxer-mma-news

Ronda...you're not going to suddenly learn how to box at almost 30 years old. It's not happening. At most, you need a defensive jab and timing to avoid punches and tie up. How in the hell are you going to arm bar your first 11 opponents in a row...and then just want to bang with people? So freaking stupid. She should be wrestlefucking bitches GSP style. And if her knees are too bad for that, then retire. I really don't want to see Ronda get her head kicked off again.
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It's not about her out-boxing other people. She needs to know how to defend herself too. She's not going to out-box Nunes or Holm, but if the training helps her dodge or counter a couple hits then it's worth it. The worst thing she could do is try to stand up and fight when that's her weakness, but she still needs to be competent in it. That article doesn't imply she plans on boxing her, only that she's sparring with a great boxer - which is a good thing. My only concern with her is her confidence coming back in. She got broken in more ways than one. If she comes back scared and sloppy she might lose hard and retire. It remains to be seen. Having said that, I can't wait to see her fight again.

Also, I got to go to UFC 203 in my hometown. It was incredible.

 
TheN8torious said:
Good fucking grief...

http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2016/10/23/13368664/photo-ronda-rousey-prepares-for-ufc-207-return-with-olympic-boxer-mma-news

Ronda...you're not going to suddenly learn how to box at almost 30 years old. It's not happening. At most, you need a defensive jab and timing to avoid punches and tie up. How in the hell are you going to arm bar your first 11 opponents in a row...and then just want to bang with people? So freaking stupid. She should be wrestlefucking bitches GSP style. And if her knees are too bad for that, then retire. I really don't want to see Ronda get her head kicked off again.
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That's actually good that she is doing that. I don't see what the issue is considering she's a MMA fighter and need a strong foundation everywhere.

 
blueweltall said:
That's actually good that she is doing that. I don't see what the issue is considering she's a MMA fighter and need a strong foundation everywhere.
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I guess I'm just looking at it from a "direction she was heading in" perspective. Her problem isn't that she's not a better boxer. It's that she's been ignoring her biggest strength and the thing that put her in the position she was in in the first place. Obviously, she needs some boxing ability and an understanding of striking to compete in MMA...but considering where her focus was the last few fights and the nonsense Edmond was filling her head with, I have a hard time believing this girl was brought in to teach Ronda defensive boxing.

I honestly hope I'm wrong though. I'd love more than anything to see Ronda duck under a Nunes haymaker and send her for a hard ride to the mat. But if she tries to stand and trade with her, it won't end well.

 
Without knowing her training regimen it is hard to say if she is focusing too much on it. She needs to know how to defend herself but come fight time should focus 100% on grappling. Look at Demian Maia. He spent a few years trying to act like a K1 fighter and got bounced around. Since he has embraced his grappling 100% he has sliced through the likes of Matt Brown and Carlos Condit like  they were nothing. I'm pretty sure Condit wasn't able to land a single strike before he was taken down and submitted.

That being said, Ronda isn't the well rounded grappler Maia is. Maia has nasty trips, throws, takedowns, etc. We've only seen Ronda do about 2 or 3 variations of hip throws. Obviously she is/was amazing at throws, but she has been able to coast thing long easily because nobody had a good gameplan or avoided the hip throw.

Ronda has to drill outside take downs - single legs, double legs, etc. I don't know if she can get proficient at this point in her career. Those attacks are now illegal in Judo (making Judo less relevant to real world and other sports) and even before they were illegal, the traditional style black belts looked down on American and Russian style Judo players who incorporated lots of different techniques than the classical Japanese style (the change in rules is to also help the Japanese win more medals/tournaments).

I do think Ronda has a better chance against Nunes then say a rematch with Holm because of Holm's rangey style staying away from any hip throws.

 
Dokstarr said:
Without knowing her training regimen it is hard to say if she is focusing too much on it. She needs to know how to defend herself but come fight time should focus 100% on grappling. Look at Demian Maia. He spent a few years trying to act like a K1 fighter and got bounced around. Since he has embraced his grappling 100% he has sliced through the likes of Matt Brown and Carlos Condit like they were nothing. I'm pretty sure Condit wasn't able to land a single strike before he was taken down and submitted.

That being said, Ronda isn't the well rounded grappler Maia is. Maia has nasty trips, throws, takedowns, etc. We've only seen Ronda do about 2 or 3 variations of hip throws. Obviously she is/was amazing at throws, but she has been able to coast thing long easily because nobody had a good gameplan or avoided the hip throw.

Ronda has to drill outside take downs - single legs, double legs, etc. I don't know if she can get proficient at this point in her career.
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Exactly. I was going to bring up the Maia analogy myself. Once Maia recommitted himself to the thing that got him to the UFC, he's been a monster. He only needed striking as much to understand how to avoid getting hit...which is why he only got hit 13 times in his last 4 fights. That's unbelievable. And with the way concussions and head trauma are in the sport, ANY fighter who can fight like that should fight like that.

But if we're talking "to be successful in MMA", everything Ronda is training should be to set up getting her opponent down and imposing her will on them. But when her head trainer is still a boxing coach, it just doesn't feel like it's trending in that direction. Obviously, I'm not her BFF and we don't hear about all of her training...but using the recent past as an indicator, it makes me skeptical when this is the first training related story we see.

But yeah, if she can't expand her takedown game at this point, then she needs to hang it up.

 
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Good thing Tito finished that Juicy Juice before the interview because that could have got messy.
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lmao...the best part is that you know he actually planned it out because why else would he have a juice box just sitting there? :lol: Say what you want about Sonnen. He's ridiculous, and most of his claims are goofy as hell. But at least he can talk and knows how to sell a fight.

"Go ahead and check my Instagram @TitoOrtiz1999 and that'll answer that...fool's...complete...gas. All I hear is gas coming out of his ass...and it's not his butt."

:applause:

 
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So Jones got a 1 year suspension. So he won't be back til July/August. Dana has been going on for about 2 months now saying that everything looked really good and we would see Jones potentially before the end of the year. I guess that didn't work out. Jones' defense was pretty horrible. First he said it was bootleg cialis and then he said it was contaminated supplements (which he didn't even have listed as taking on his forms). I'm actually surprised he was able to beg 1 year off of the 2 year normal suspension. The way it has been going though, we won't likely see Jones. He will be in jail before August.

For the weekend - some good fights.

Surprised that Ferguson beat RDA. 

Happy to see Lamas win.

Nice to see Diego win. I thought he was gong to retire after the fight, but instead he said he wants to make a run for the title (lol)

Then the stinker of the weekend was Davis vs Liam. I like Liam - you don't see very many super aggressive bjj guys anymore (especially at a heavier weight class), but there was no way he was going to deal with Davis' heavy wrestling. Davis is super boring against high level guys so hopefully they bring out cans so he can whoop them in exciting fashion.

 
Damn...Frankie Edgar is such a beast. You just can't put him away.

Wow...Miesha just got outworked tonight. Good for Pennington. I've always liked her.

Damn...and now Miesha retires. Didn't see that coming.
 
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Annnd there's your greatest MMA fighter of all time. Unbelievable. Conor was perfect.

How in the hell did Alvarez beat RDA??? Conor made him look like a damn little kid. Holy crap!
 
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Still too early. Still think Anderson Silva run at his prime was more impressive.
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I'm not talking purely in terms of skill. But when you factor in accomplishments and status within the sport...it makes a very strong argument. No one has done what Conor did or sold as many PPVs as Conor has. People can try to write him off as a circus act or whatever...but the results are still there. And that can't be ignored.

Also, a very strange thing to think about...as of next month, it's possible that Holly Holm, Miesha Tate, Cat Zingano, and Ronda Rousey will all be on 2 fight losing streaks. Who in the hell saw that coming?

 
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That would be greatest MMA entertainer if your not talking about skill. Not saying he doesn't have any because clearly he does but Silva run was and is considered by many to be the greatest.

 
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Good on Connor buy he definitely isn't greatest of all time in my opinion. Fedor, Jones, GSP, and Silva are it for now. He has yet to defend his belt he won a year ago, lost to Diaz, barely squeaked by Diaz and then got gifted a title shot. He looked amazing last night, but he didn't have to fight any top light weight to get there. He fought a maybe #10 Diaz and that was it. Even Connor's run to the title wasn't great - he looked amazing but beating journeyman Dennis Siver doesn't deserve a title shot. He was gifted his shots, but he definitely made the best of what was presented to him.

Alvarez had apparently no game plan. I thought he was going to go in there and use the same gameplan he beat Pettis and Melendez. Lots of wrestling and grinding. He didn't shoot for a single take down. Alvarez was sucked in to the hype and didn't plan at all. Even between rounds his coaches didn't have much for him.

I feel bad for both divisions since now they are going to be both held up since Connor says he wants a stake in the UFC now or he won't fight. I'm hoping that is just bluster because him being an owner (even a very small percent) is a huge conflict of interest. He needs to fight Jose, Frankie Edgar, or the current Max Holloway who has looked amazing in featherweight. For welterweight he needs to fight Ferguson and Khabib. I hate to say it - but I think UFC but give him Diaz for the trilogy (blargh). I'm all for the excitement and hype but he needs to defend his belts and against the top people.

I agreed with the draw for Wonderboy and Woodley. I was surprised that Woodley was able to smash him like that in the 4th. Shows how it just takes one punch to change everything. Wonderboy was on tract to win but then lost that round 10-8 and that changed everything.

Romero is a scary dude. The knee blasted Weidman and I think Bisping is going to be overwhelmed by Romero. I think Bisping's game plan has to be to drag him to the 4th and 5th.

 
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Subbed to fight pass mainly to watch UFC 204. I was rooting for Dan Henderson to ko Bisping a second time, found it quite funny when he asked his coach what punch Henderson landed on him at the end of the round lol.

I tried watching Pancrese, but damn what a bunch of clowns those fighters are. I couldn't handle the cringe, turned that shit off midway into the second fight.

 
I hope they match up Romero and Bisping soon. I'm not a giant Romero fan, but I'd like to Bisping put down after beating Henderson by the skin of his teeth.

The keys to victory are pretty much two things: Outwork him cardio wise, and pray to survive when Romero connects with something big.

Bisping is pretty tough but is very hittable. In his last three fights he's been brutalized in two of them where the other guy looks like he just came from the gym. Silva destroyed him repeatedly but for some reason to seal the deal and let Bisping stumble around for 10 minutes looking like a drunk. Henderson smashed him with how many big right hands in the last fight? 3 or 4 times and dropped him multiple times. Poor Dan just didn't have the mobility to finish him anymore and Bisping could squirm and escape away.

Romero has shown he can connect big out of nowhere. He did it against Kennedy, Machida and now Weidman.

 
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I hope they match up Romero and Bisping soon. I'm not a giant Romero fan, but I'd like to Bisping put down after beating Henderson by the skin of his teeth.

Romero has shown he can connect big out of nowhere. He did it against Kennedy, Machida and now Weidman.
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Going to look for the Yoel Romero vs Machida and Weidman fights. His name sounds familiar, but I don't recall watching him fight. I hope he forces a brawl, but knowing how Bisping is he will try to keep distance and chip away at him... Assuming the fight actually happens.

 
Just watched 'em both. That "shriek" or whatever you want to call it when Chris Weidman got cracked by Romero's knee at the end of the fight was unsettling to say the least.

 
Benson Henderson fought for the 155 pound title in Bellator on Saturday against Michael Chandler. It was a good fight but Benson lost again, but it was a lot closer than his Bellator fight at 170lbs. 

He's been sticking with that silly strategy of letting guys beat the shit out of him in the first round and tire themselves out. It wouldn't be the worst thing in the world if he could tire them out while avoiding damage, but he's not great at that and eats so many shots in the process. He got absolutely pummeled in the 1st, then had a more Benson-esque fight in the 2nd-5th. Still didn't do enough to win though, he's still not aggressive enough either.

Then after the fight he is jumping around and screaming and full of energy. Use that energy in the 3rd and 4th rounds you lost man!

 
Benson took a beating that first round. I thought he was gonna be finished in the first round when he was just on his knees trying to move his head around to dodge the punches. I also loved that big suplex. And Chandler that last round - my God  was he gassed. It was like watching 5th Johnny Hendricks just shoving his head down and holding on to Benson for dear life.

 
Also watched Bader vs Noguiera. I don't want to see Lil Nog fight anymore. Him and his brother have taken such sustained beatings over the years that there must be a good amount of damage. They also both look like they are 75 years old whereas they just turned 40.

I feel happy and sad for Bader at the same time. Happy for him because he has managed to become a top 5 after starting with a limited skill set and people thinking he would just be a middle of the road nobody for a few years.

I feel bad for him because he has lost FOUR number 1 contender fights and each of them was in spectacular fashion.

#1 - Jones massacres him with 2 rounds. Jones then goes on to beat Shogun (which Bader would've also likely done)

#2 - Machida ko's him with a clean one punch knock out. Machida then does one of his karate kid style bows to an unconscious Bader.

#3 - He has Glover on rubber legs almost out on his feet when suddenly Glover drops him with a beautiful KO.

#4 - Rumble massacres him in less than 90 seconds.

And for good measure he became probably the most watched highlight of Tito Ortiz's career. Every time Bader has lost it has been by spectacular fashion with him finished.

 
So, with McGregor relinquishing/being stripped of the FW belt...I keep waiting to see some comment from him on it. Since he hasn't tweeted about being retired yet, I really can't imagine this was done without discussing it with him. I have to believe he was offered something...whether it be a lump sum, a Woodley title shot, or a pathway to the ownership stake that he desperately wants.

I would say maybe the UFC just doesn't care about pissing Conor off if he's planning on taking 6 months off anyway...but again, if they did this without his blessing he would have blown up all over the internet. I feel like some deal had to have been made.

But in truth, I think it was the best decision. Whether people want to call it a "fluke" or not, McGregor smashed Aldo and there's nothing Jose can say or do that will erase that. And it's very possible that Conor will look at 155 the way Cerrone does at 170. He looked sensational against Alvarez and his speed and power seemed to be in perfect balance. 155 is probably just the right place for him. No sense dicking around with weight divisions where he's overly depleting himself...or fighting people who are just too big for him.

 
Very strange situation in the UFC. I give Connor props for having the balls to move up and go for the champion vs champion match. GSP didn't push for it against Silva. Silva didn't push for it against Jones. And Jones never pushed for it against Cain. Granted he still had an easy road to the titles (extremely easy for the lightweight - going one and one and then getting gifted a title shot).

Connor made the most of the situation and cashed in huge. Any of the three above fights would've been much more epic and history making since they were all the most dominant champions in their division ever, but Connor pushed hard and got what he wanted. Good thing too, because I still think there is a high chance Edgar would beat him and Aldo could avenge the loss. Anyone can lose at any time, so the hype can only last so long.

There are so many other guys being held up with the Connor shenanigans that hopefully they move forward quickly. Khabib and Ferguson both desperately deserve a title shot. Jose and the FW's have just been sitting in limbo. It would be pretty awesome if Jose Aldo or Edgar moved up a weight class and smashed Diaz to get a title shot at Connor - but that would take a while since Khabib and Ferguson are rightfully in line and already had to wait out the money fights.

Very disappointed that Rumble/Cormier has been delayed. That card looks pretty weak now - don't know what they will do to fix it.

 
This is why Cris Cyborg is a joke.

http://www.mmafighting.com/2016/12/6/13854316/dana-white-cris-cyborg-ufc-featherweight-title-fights

She might as well be cheating at this point. She turned down her own division because she couldn't get down to 145 with 2+ months notice. I don't care what the state of Rousey's career is. If she ever takes a fight with Cyborg, she's a damn fool. Cyborg doesn't fight unless the deck is so insanely stacked in her favor that it is essentially impossible for her to lose. It's like she's playing tic-tac-toe and she gets to go first every time.

She's a 170+ lb fighter fighting a bunch of girls who are tiny compared to her and have a tremendous strength disadvantage. Even fighting at 140...she's done nothing different. She's no smaller at all. She's just cutting more weight. If she gave a damn at all about serious competition, she'd lose a little mass and make things easier on herself. But the only thing she wants easy is her opponents.

I wouldn't be surprised at all if the actual reason is she can't pass a drug test with 2 months notice. Complete fraud.

 
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Ok, so you guys know I don't like Holly Holm, but wow...Ronda really wasn't too far off. After JUST turning down a fight with Cyborg and saying she'd only go as high as 138lbs to fight her...Holly is now fighting Germaine de Randamie for the inaugural 145lb women's championship. What a fake ass bitch, lol. :lol:

Also, I realize I'm saying that after having just ripped on Cyborg, but I don't know how you demand a catchweight that is lower than the one she had been fighting at...and then turn around and fight somebody else at 145. I mean, I guess when you're coming off back to back losses, you do weird things. But how obvious does it need to be that this "title fight" is just a big "F U" to Cyborg?

 
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The whole women's division is fishy. Cyborg says she can't get down to 145 after demanding people fight her at 145, Holly getting a title shot on two losses, Ronda get a title shot after being KO'd over a year ago, etc. I can't remember exactly what I read, but didn't Uncle Dana offer Cyborg a fight with Holly at 145 by Cyborg said no and then at the same time time Holly said no.

This fight is no gimme for Holly since Germaine is a high level dutch kickboxer/muay thai practitioner. I give the fight pretty much a 50/50 either way.  Keeping Cyborg out also gives them a champ vs champ match possibility if Holly wins where Ronda can avenge her loss.

The whole WMMA thing is a mess that I try to steer clear of thinking about it seriously.

Last week's UFC was one of the best of year without even a huge superstar name. I thought it was funny how Rogan was ripping on Kelvin for not fighting at 170 lbs. He called Kelvin lazy and not dedicated and then went to say Kennedy is the exact opposite - dedicated, driven, always in perfect shape, etc. Kennedy then gasses out and gets destroyed for two rounds before being finished.

I personally like Kelvin at this weight (like how I love Cerrone at his new weight). Even though I'm not a huge Connor fan, I'm happy he moved up. I HATE cutting weight. Way too many guys focus so much on having a weight advantage and nearly kill themselves to make weight. Back in college and even after I use to cut about 15 - 20 lbs for wrestling/judo/jiu jitsu. I'd feel like such shit during and after and then would spend time try to rehydrate. By the end of it all I decided to stop cutting weight (or just a few lbs to keep me out of the next category) and always felt so much better and I think performed better too vs guys who were bigger than me but gassing out (especially after 3 or 4 matches in the same day).

Of course I compete at such a different level that it is easy for me to say that - but it is 100% true that cutting is horrible for your body and can damage it long term. Every year there is always a few cases of people getting seriously ill or dying from it.

Kelvin's next fight is against Vitor which should be interesting.

Cerrone is fighting in February. I love the warrior spirit of Cerrone, but think he might be hurting himself long term with fighting 4 times a year. He pretty much has no time off and eventually his body won't be able to take it. His Brown fight was pretty tough with him being tagged multiple times, plus add in any hits from sparring and just stressing his body with constant fight camps and he is asking to either get an injury or get hit right on the button and dropped via TKO. The body can only take so much.

 
Damn...Super Sage and 12 Gauge lose to the same move. I knew that fight was horrible for Northcutt. He really shouldn't have let himself be bullied into taking it. He was fighting a larger opponent who specializes in his biggest weakness. Very little to gain there and a lot to lose. He should have used the "who the fook is that guy?" line that McGregor used on Jeremy Stephens.

And Paige just got outclassed. Too much experience on Waterson's side. That arm drag was beautfiul and put Waterson in perfect position. At the end of the day, Sage being 20 and Paige being 22...they're just not ready for the bright lights yet.

 
UFC had a tough night with it's big stars in the making. Platinum Mike Perry gets worked. Sage is choked out and so PVZ.

Sage needs to learn some fight IQ along with the obvious ground game. Just standing for about 90 seconds and he had Gall all busted up and I thought was going to start running away with it. He gets tagged once and slips, gets right back up but instead of resetting and getting back in position he just shoots for a panic wrestling takedown and gets choked out. The second he shot for that I said it was over to my friend since Gall was going to instantly take the back. Gall is good at jiu jtsu and any good bjj person is going to spin onto that back so quick.

Gall also showed that anyone with a decent stand up and a semi-complete game will probably take him apart.  He is taking it smart through and calling out big names who have no ground game. First he called up CM Punk with a 0/0 record who was good at nothing. Then Sage who has good stand up and is pretty, but lacks wrestling and a ground game. I'm pretty sure his last submission loss before this was while still in half-guard which just means he has no idea what is up. Finally he is moving up the big leagues with Dan Hardy who is a legit fighter with almost no ground game but hasn't fought in 5 years and can't train at max intensity (because the hard problem that made him retire).

I always cheer for the jiu jitsu guy, but I wish Gall would call out an active fighter who is in his weight class. Sage was ranked 70th at 155 and moved up a weight class to fight Gall. Gall should drop to 155 and call out maybe someone like Ross Pearson who is on a 3 fight losing streak but is still a name if he wants a big name fighter. Though I do think that Ross would lay Gall out even with Ross' limited ground skills.

 
I agree completely. I couldn't believe Sage shot in on Gall. The only time that makes any sense is if you're on queer street and are just in self-preservation mode. But the punch that dropped him landed on the side of his head. It didn't look that significant. He basically got smacked on the side of the head, lost his balance, got up...and then panicked for no reason.

And if he was actually rocked by that shot, then he really needs to work on his striking too. Sage barely hit Gall with anything and Gall's face exploded. An experienced fighter with basic takedown defense will have no trouble with him. Honestly, outside of the Faber fight, it felt like a TUF Finale. Lots of inexperienced prospects with gaping holes in their game.

And I agree about Gall's callouts. I have a hard time believing he's that smart to figure out all these big name mismatches, but whoever is managing him is doing a great job. All of a sudden he's 4-0 and looking like a big time stud without having really done anything that impressive.

 
It was weird watching Faber being a the 2nd fight on the card since two fights ago he taking on Dominick Cruz for the title. Seemed wacky for UFC to have Sage vs Gall as co-main and PVS vs Karate Hottie as main since pretty much all four of those people are nothing important. At least Uriah got a nice pay day out of it since his disclosed pay was like 320K.

It was nice seeing Faber going out on a win since he was one of the first top guys in the light weight classes.

Also it was pretty funny watching PVZ pretend to go to sleep. She didn't want to tap so she just closed her eyes for a second and then once the hold was broke sat up with her eyes clear. I've seen enough guys go to sleep (and have done so myself) to tell a fake one. 

 
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Also it was pretty funny watching PVZ pretend to go to sleep. She didn't want to tap so she just closed her eyes for a second and then once the hold was broke sat up with her eyes clear. I've seen enough guys go to sleep (and have done so myself) to tell a fake one.
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Hahahaha, I thought the same thing. When she opened her eyes immediately, I was like "What the fuck? Bitch, you gotta keep em closed at least for 4-5 seconds." You don't just instantly wake up with a clear head. It's not like a flash knockout where the ground wakes you back up, lol.

 
Wow...horrible scoring in the Kim / Saffiedine fight. One judge thought Saffiedine won every round, the other two think Kim won the fight. Terrible.
 
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I loved every second of that. What an idiot. Ronda, her coach, Dana White for allowing the fight to be her first one back. Go for the short PPV buyrate increase instead of long term planning by protecting Ronda with some tune-up fights, and allow a few other names to get better built up in the division. Now the UFC has effectively destroyed one of their top cash names. Just my opinion of course. I never liked Ronda anyway, so seeing her lose in such a decisive manner, with such a terrible strategy, makes me happy as fuck.
 
Vince McMahon is probably in Titan Tower just losing his shit over how they are going to take a run at Ronda now that her career is over. I'm sure he looks just like this.
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So fucking stupid. Just stand there with your chin up and get teed off on. Seriously, fuck Edmond. A year off, and she has zero footwork and can't duck under and tie up. Freaking horrendous man.

Not that I expected Ronda to win, but you just can't compete in this sport if that's all you're going to put into it. She either retires or goes to a real camp. There are no alternatives.
 
RR apparently didn't work on anything new in her last 14 months. Once again we see that if someone doesn't charge in to the clinch they will stomp Ronda. Holly showed it and Nunes showed it. Even Ronda's Judo is stale - if they don't come into the clinch she has nothing. No single legs, double legs, arm drags, trips, or anything else. She has hip toss to arm bar and that is pretty much it.

At least we can stop hearing about how Ronda is the greatest combat athlete of all time and how she is a "once ever" athlete. I just hope she doesn't hurt herself which would give a lot of bad press.

There is also a video with just the audio from RR's corner. It is hilarious. Edmond just scream MOVEMENT, MOVEMENT, CLINCH! PLEASE CLINCH! NOOOOOOOOO. fuck NOOOOOO! for the entire 48 seconds of the fight. Apparently the "sushing" that Nunes was doing was for Edmond because of his screaming becasue she walks right up to her corner and does it.

Nunes was also savage in the post fight. Telling RR to take her money and stay with movies. Granted RR won't be in anymore movies since all her appeal was just how she was the UFC champ. Back to Pokemon GO for RR. I'm guessing this will be the last time we saw RR in the cage.

Very surprised to see Cody beat Cruz, but I'm fine with it. Cody trash talked and danced, landed a bunch of knock downs, then brought out the cancer survivor and called TJ - it was pretty much the best possible fight and outcome imaginable for Cody.

Glad to see Hendricks lose. Tired of his lay and pray style and him missing weight constantly. He is done.

On the other big events over the weekend - I was happy to see CroCop to get the KO on King Mo. I had to watch the replay since it happened at like 4am. I forgot to watch the replay of the Heath Herring fight, but it was a crazy surprise to have Herring back in the fight game. It's been like 8 years since he last appeared and apparently they needed him to fill in so he showed up with like a week's notice. I would love to see CroCop win the tournament, but I'll have to check it out.

Final thoughts - not surprised about Cyborg. And only surprised that it took this long for Josh Barnett to get popped again.

 
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And CroCop just got a 1st round KO via a body shot knee via the clinch. Laid the guy out and he looked in pain. Couldn't tell if it was in the liver or maybe right in the ribs or sternum. Japan is gonna Japan with their crazy matches. Hopefully CroCop gets another trophy for his shelf. I'll hae to check back in the morning.

 
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I got Cruz and Rousey for the win tomorrow.
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Ouch, hope you didn't have money on it.

Wonderful final 2 fights for me. Absolutely cannot stand Dominic Cruz, so great to see anybody beat him. Cody looked like a bit of a tool in the cage, but oh well.

Also can't stand Ronda. I think she's done with the UFC.

Sad to hear about Goldie leaving. He said dumb shit sometimes, but I can't think of anyone they could get that would be better than him. Really hope it's not Jon Anic, he's so boring to listen to.

 
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