MMA (UFC, Strikeforce, Bellator, Invicta, etc.) Discussion Thread -- Version II

Yup. So glad he kicked Barao's ass again. Similar to how Edgar started his reign as LW champ, that had to be awful for Dillashaw to be thinking about Barao for that long. First he's not going to get an immediate rematch...then he does...then he can't make weight...then he's going to have to "work his way back"...and then TJ ends up fighting him right after the Soto fight anyway.

I don't know what it is, but I'm really put off by both Barao and Aldo (who happen to be teammates). They struggle tremendously to make weight, they both gas fairly quickly, they both couldn't care less to learn even a little English and be more personable to fans. And now Aldo is basically going out of his way now to be a pain in the UFC's ass...first badmouthing the Reebok deal and then basically saying he won't follow USADA's no IV rule.

Can we get rid of both of them already?

 
Also, in case anybody missed it...there was finally a "wardrobe malfunction" in a female fight (sadly not Ronda or Miesha...or even Cat though). Funny that it happens as soon as the new Reebok uni's launch. i can't imagine they fit much differently than other brands though...and considering Jessica Eye wasn't wearing the sports bra, it seems like there were other choices. 

Obviously NSFW:

http://www.mikethetruth.com/2015/07/reebok-kit-wardrobe-malfunction-on-duke-and-phillips/

 
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Shogun looked rough. I thought Lil' Nog won it, but it was close enough it didn't bother me. Time for Shogun to hang it up.

Struve and Big Nog need to both hang it up. Add Big Foot to that list. Even though he won he looked lousy up until that very second.\

Rousey went as expected. I was hoping to get almot 5 minutes out of it, but what can you do? People are clamoring for a Cyborg fight again. Cyborg will complain about not being able to make weight and that Ronda should move up to Cyborg's weight class but that is no-win for UFC or Ronda. If Ronda wins she beats someone that none of the casuals have ever heard of or cared about. If Ronda loses she keeps the belt, but now people will all think of her as a paper champ because she lost. The mystique and excitement will be gone.

People say Ronda should just do it and "stop being scared" but it makes no sense to do it from a business point. Silva keeps being mentioned for fighting Griffin and Bonner, but come on. Everyone knew those two were going down hard. Bonner's next fight he lost to Tito Ortiz. A better comparison would've been if Silva went up in weight to fight Machida, Shogun (from like 5 years ago, not the current one), Rashad (a very strong wrestler).

Now - if Cyborg can make weight that changes everything. If Cyborg wins, she becomes the champion. Then you can have rematches, etc. More big events.,

Also, hah hah at the UFC commercial for OSP vs Glover. It referred to Glover as the man who pushed Jon Jones to his limit. I have nothing against Glover, but I remember Jones putting a beating on Glover for 25 min. The highlight that sticks out was the standing shoulder lock (pretty much a standing "Mir Lock") which looked like it really hurt.

 
Yeah I was surprised that they gave it to Shogun too. If Big Nog wants to fight again it probably wouldn't be with the UFC though. Dana said that he's not going to offer any more fight to Big Nog but he would offer him a position with the UFC office instead.

 
Good God...so Cain Velasquez gets an immediate rematch against Fabricio Werdum. Only 3 different opponents in over 5 years...unreal. And people think the UFC protects Ronda and McGregor???

 
Very unhappy with the Cain announcement. I wanted Arlovski, Stipe or JDS to get the shot. UFC is hoping Cain wins it again for a push in the Latino market.

 
I just hate it because it basically sets up a scenario for him to get injured again and hold up another title fight. I mean, I guess they could give it to somebody else on short notice...but I honestly want to see Cain prove that he can fight at least twice a year and actually beat different opponents.

This feels very Dillashaw/Barao'y to me. Cain got his ass kicked. Nothing about that fight deserves a rematch. It's just because of "who he is". Yes...he held the belt for a while...but he was also inactive for practically 3 years during that stretch. It's not like he was an Anderson Silva or GSP...or hell, even Ronda type of champion who defended the belt 6+ times.

And the biggest reason I hate immediate rematches, if Cain wins...in theory, Werdum should have the same right to a rematch. But who in the hell wants to watch the same matchup three times in a row...while the rest of the division just sits around twiddling their thumbs. It's just a stupid setup for more stupidity.

 
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Wow...so Anderson Silva was hit with a one year suspension (retroactive to 1/31...so, really 5.5 months) and $380,000 fine mainly because he botched his own defense and made everybody terribly uncomfortable with what he said happened.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/anderson-silva-s-questionable-explanation-leads-to-harsher-penalty-232736087.html

So...a "friend from Thailand" gave him Cialis/Viagra...in an unmarked bottle...and he took it a week before the fight. The sad part is, I almost believe he's that dumb. Because of the fact that his own attorney hired the guy who tested the supplements, and discovered the "blue liquid" had steroids in it.

Who would provide their own damning evidence if they actually knew what was in it? I would 100% think he was lying out his ass if it weren't for that. It makes no sense.

 
Yagami said:
Unless he just knew there was no getting around the results, and the real truth would cost him more in wages and lawyers.
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Yeah...but you would think he'd either deny and bury...or admit and repent. What he did was kind of in between...deny, supply the evidence to support his case, and then be proven guilty by your own evidence, lol. It's like he couldn't decide how to play it, and I think the commission got that sense too because they kept pointing out his inconsistencies.

Like the article says, he could have probably gotten off like John Molina if he had just played dumb, given the usual bullshit story, and then act shocked that he "was given" something illegal. But it's like Silva was trying to prove a point by inviting them to test what he was taking. Then he was like "Oh...that's steroids... Huh...well, this is awkward." haha.

 
I find it amusing that Beche Correia has been asking for a rematch with Ronda. Take a page out of Miesha's playbook. Go win four fights in a row and then it won't matter how badly you got your ass kicked...you'll be relevant again. If you can't do that, you don't deserve to fight her anyway.

Although, I do wonder if she senses that Ronda won't be around that long. My gut tells me Ronda has 2-3 fights left and will retire when she's 30. I figure Tate, Holm, and then Cyborg/Pena/Nunes. That last group of names could change at any time. I could see her fighting all of them or none of them.

 
Ronda wants to get into acting anyways. She's been trying to get the role of Ms Marvel. If she gets that, or even some lesser role in Hollywood, she'll pretty much be done in MMA.

 
Yagami said:
Ronda wants to get into acting anyways. She's been trying to get the role of Ms Marvel. If she gets that, or even some lesser role in Hollywood, she'll pretty much be done in MMA.
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Uh...well, she's already been acting. She's been in Expendables 3, the Entourage movie, and Fast 7. Not to mention WWE is foaming at the mouth to hire her as well. I mean, yeah...getting a larger role in a blockbuster movie would probably speed up the process. But she can mostly do whatever she wants already.

I wouldn't blame her one damn bit for retiring. She's well beyond proving her skill level and legitimacy in the sport. Earlier in her career, I had a fear she'd end up like Gina Carano, Brock Lesnar, etc. and fold like a lawn chair when the competition got stiff. But that wasn't even remotely close to true. She's destroyed all comers and improved each time doing it. She could retire right now and be the best ever...Cyborg be damned, haha.

 
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Ronda wants to get into acting anyways. She's been trying to get the role of Ms Marvel. If she gets that, or even some lesser role in Hollywood, she'll pretty much be done in MMA.
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I don't think she'll ever get a role like Ms. Marvel. She's entertaining enough as a fighter, but she isn't an actor. She also has kind of an "off personality". I don't know how to describe it, but she comes off a little weird. I think the best she can hope for is snarky tough chick in the background.

I think she would do much better in the WWF. She enjoys that, knows already how to fall and could try to lure in more legitimate athletes. (I haven't watched WWF for about 13 years - is it still all just big boob models strip fighting in the women's division?)

She is in a perfect place though to clean out the division for a few more years and then get out. The other women have absolutely nothing on her right now, but things will likely change in 5 years. Like Royce in the early UFCs.

 
It's Holm, holmes, lol. Anyway...I question why the UFC wanted this match up now. You could almost argue this is "protecting Ronda" by giving her an opponent who, while decorated and skilled, just isn't ready for her yet. I mean, maybe you could say the same thing about Correia, but at least she built up some drama, beat a few of Ronda's low level friends, and talked her way into the fight.

With Holm, I don't know...she's 33. Maybe they worry she's not going to get much better and somebody else is going to beat her, so might as well let Ronda do it. By that token, I'm not sure if Holm could beat Tate or Cat Zingano...and all that would do is solidify that the division is indeed "cleaned out" and there's not much point in Ronda continuing to fight.

And who knows...maybe Ronda wants the trilogy fight with Tate to be her last fight before Cyborg...that way if Cyborg whines her way out of it again, it's still a great fight to go out on.

Also, I don't know what it is, but part of me is rooting for Ronda and Miesha to become best friends after all this is done, haha. They've sort of been giving each other compliments through the media, and I'm just like "Come on! Make up and kiss already." :lol:

 
Oops, yeah but even though she already beat Zingano I think that would have been a better match up than Holm. Holm striking is suppose to be good since she use to be a boxer but she doesn't have any power nor has she stopped anybody from it in boxing. Holm also doesn't look  that impressive in her MMA fights either too, she just looks raw. I like Rousey to outstrike Holm or armbar her quick.

 
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Yeah, I agree. I think Holm is overrated, and maybe the UFC knows that. So, if this is as good as she's going to get, it really doesn't make any difference if she's "ready" to fight Ronda or not. They have to capitalize on the name before she ends up losing to somebody that Ronda has already beaten (like Jessica Eye losing to Tate).

They run that same risk if they match up Tate against Nunes, but if Tate really is second best, I guess at some point you have to just acknowledge it and give her another crack. It sucks for Miesha, but like I've said before, she's totally in JDS territory...where even if she's deserving, not many people want to see that fight again.
 
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Don't even wanna watch that. Ronda is already calling it her toughest fight to date. I feel she beats Holm in the standup regardless. Just another way to market undefeated vs undefeated. Correia was undefeated but who did she fight? Not that the women's divisions are stacked or anything
 
Anyone have an idea if there will be a UFC 189 DVD release and when it will happen? I heard one of the fights is really good so I want to get some friends together and watch it.

 
Damn, if Mir gains any more weight they will have to setup a fight between him and Nelson for the "Big Country" name.

 
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I feel like I should have seen it coming, but the Arlovski - Mir fight was a huge disappointment. It's almost like they had a gentlemen's agreement to fight shitty like they both had been 3-4 fights ago. Like all of the progress they made was erased.

I actually had rounds 2 and 3 for Mir because the way Arlovski was laying on him on the cage was pissing me off, but neither of them fought like they wanted a title shot. That was like an old timers retirement fight.
 
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Well, she played a bouncer in Expendables 3, so there you go, haha. I was actually worried about her acting ability based on Furious 7 (which somehow, I got around to seeing before Expendables 3). But I thought she was a lot better in Expendables. She had more lines...but maybe between being around so many legendary actors and having better direction, she got more comfortable.

The "You're not as charming as you think, bitch!" line from Furious 7 had me groaning in my seat (and not in a sexy way, lol). You can really see she's winding down with MMA though. She keeps saying she's not finished yet, but then turns around and talks about how proud she is of how women's MMA has grown (one of the things she said she would wait on before retiring).

Part of me hopes that she intentionally blue balls Cyborg. Considering Cyborg has said "I'll retire you just like I did Gina Carano", why give her that satisfaction even if you win?

 
People give Dana White so much shit, but he's 100% right about this.

http://mmajunkie.com/2015/09/dana-white-miesha-tate-has-to-knock-a-couple-more-people-off-before-ronda-rousey

It doesn't mean Tate doesn't deserve the title shot. It just means she's gotten herself into this weird place where she might be the second best in the division...but doesn't have a snowball's chance in hell of beating the first best. Juhn Dodson just found himself in this exact same place.

People are telling him to move up in weight because they don't want to see him fight Mighty Mouse again. How many fights do you think he'd need to win before being given a third chance? I don't think it would have been wrong to give Miesha another shot at Ronda now...like I said, she does deserve it. But if she loses that fight too...then she basically just has to accept that unless she outlasts Ronda career wise, that was probably the last title shot of her career.

 
Wow...Nick Diaz was just suspended by NSAC for 5 years and fined $165,000 for failing multiple drug tests. They're saying it's "not just for marijuana but disregard".

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2566645-nick-diaz-suspended-5-years-for-failed-drug-tests-latest-details-and-reaction

That's crazy. There's already been a large debate in the MMA community about the idea of marijuana being considered a PED (though, I do think inhibiting one's ability to feel/recognize pain is a type of "enhancement"), and people are freaking out now about Anderson Silva getting only a year for steroids, but Diaz getting 5 years for this.

NSAC can't be this stupid for it to just be weed. They have to have something else on him. I mean, I'm sure Diaz has been a dickhead every step of the way. If he can't show up for UFC obligations that he's getting paid for, I'm sure he wasn't available much for any interviews/investigations either.

Maybe that's the disregard part. Maybe he just told them to fuck off and acted like he didn't care...so, naturally, they're going to hit him extra hard then. It looks like a lot of people in the MMA community are coming to his defense...and I get it, but Diaz doesn't really deserve to be defended either. He always acts like he doesn't give a shit, so why should anybody give a shit about him?

 
Even if you don't agree with the rules, you have to follow them. Should weed be treated like PEDs? of course not. But the current committee does and if you want to be a pro-athlete you have to follow the rules. Diaz refuses to do it. He always blatantly defies them and then is obstinate every step of the way. That isn't the way to change the rules.

What should've of the NSAC punished him with. This is now the 3rd time he's failed drug tests. If they don't punish him they look weak and like they won't enforce their own rules. I do think that they need to reconvene and differentiate on the different banned substances. Everyone was really excited a few months back when they laid out their new plans to really crack down on failed drug tests, but everyone knew at the same time they consider weed a banned substance.

 
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Even if you don't agree with the rules, you have to follow them. Should weed be treated like PEDs? of course not. But the current committee does and if you want to be a pro-athlete you have to follow the rules. Diaz refuses to do it. He always blatantly defies them and then is obstinate every step of the way. That isn't the way to change the rules.

What should've of the NSAC punished him with. This is now the 3rd time he's failed drug tests. If they don't punish him they look weak and like they won't enforce their own rules. I do think that they need to reconvene and differentiate on the different banned substances. Everyone was really excited a few months back when they laid out their new plans to really crack down on failed drug tests, but everyone knew at the same time they consider weed a banned substance.
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No, the NSAC just made themselves look fools. Frequent steroid abuser has gotten lighter punishment than Nick Diaz, some even got their suspension reduced. So basically it is better to get caught using drugs that make you bigger, stronger, and faster than a drug that slow down your reaction time. This suspension is just for political reasons.

 
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No, the NSAC just made themselves look fools. Frequent steroid abuser has gotten lighter punishment than Nick Diaz, some even got their suspension reduced. So basically it is better to get caught using drugs that make you bigger, stronger, and faster than a drug that slow down your reaction time. This suspension is just for political reasons.
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That's an interesting point. I mean, part of it could be that we're too close to the new punishment policies, so we haven't seen the Josh Barnett's and Vitor Belfort's of the world really get hammered for failing a test. But they probably should have just begrudgingly given everybody a clean slate when the new policy was put into place.

What they did was basically give Diaz his 3rd strike...which he probably does deserve, but in eyes of the rest of the world, they're being too harsh. Now Diaz is becoming a martyr even though he still brought it all on himself. Henry Cejudo has already said he won't fight in Nevada (which, I'm sorry, is kind of fucking stupid considering it's where your employer does the majority of its events).

5 years is a crazy amount though. They could have probably given him 1.5-2 and he'd never be heard from again. Nick Diaz can barely keep it together when he's not suspended.

We see it in other sports too though. I bring up the Adrian Peterson vs Tom Brady thing a lot. Peterson got suspended an entire season for something completely unrelated to his job that he served no jail time for. Meanwhile, Tom Brady will miss no games after directly trying to tamper with the competitive nature of his job and gain an unfair advantage. Sometimes, it's about public perception and how much your name is worth more than anything.

 
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blueweltall said:
No, the NSAC just made themselves look fools. Frequent steroid abuser has gotten lighter punishment than Nick Diaz, some even got their suspension reduced. So basically it is better to get caught using drugs that make you bigger, stronger, and faster than a drug that slow down your reaction time. This suspension is just for political reasons.
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No - the punishments have been changed after people said for years they got tired of people being slapped on the wrists for failing drug tests. These new punishments have been spelled out for the athletes about a million times.

Ask Schlemenko how he likes it. He got busted first time and is out for 3 years. He won't be getting back his title any time soon.

I don't think marijuana should be a banned substance, but it is and Diaz didn't play by the rules. He's failed 2 out of 3 of his last 3 fights. Until the rule is changed, you have to follow it. Or if you don't, whether because you are a dope or making some kind of stand, expect to be punished. Rousey likes to smoke, but how come she's never failed a drug test. She knows part of her job is to pass the tests, so she does.

The new guidelines for 3rd bust for weed is 3 years and 60-75% of the purse. They added on two years but let him keep an extra $275,000. Diaz has said multiple times he only fights for big money now, so he probably made out better with the longer suspension but keeping the extra quarter of a million dollars.

When you apply for a job you know one of the conditions of the employment is a drug test. Do you go into the test with marijuana in your system and then complain when your job offer is rescinded for failing the test? These athletes know the rules. Diaz was paid $500,000 to show up to fight Anderson Silva and pass a drug test. He couldn't do it.

Diaz is a fun fighter to watch but he can't get it together. If Barnett or Vitor fails again I'm sure the book will be thrown at them. Diaz should just go try out for the WWF with Matt Riddle.

 
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Okay I see your point and those are strong valid statements that you made. I guess I am trying to view it from the fighter perspective and my personal feelings about marijuana. 

 
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I agree the rule is stupid and how they treat it is stupid, but everyone knows how the NSAC treats it. It may get changed someday, but I wish there was a better campaign for it and not with someone like Diaz in the spotlight.

Bellator was "interesting" to say the least. I told my friends and boss that they don't do tournaments anymore because of injuries and then King Mo pulled out like 10 minutes before the fight.

Davis looked impressive though. Is that because it is a new Davis or is the Bellator comp that much easier. I think he will get the belt from Liam.

Liam looked good, but he was against Tito who also looked better than his Bonner fight. I don't quite understand what happened with that triangle. It wasn't locked in yet, he didn't have the arm pulled across, etc., but I'm guessing Tito paniced or didn't want to risk his neck and back which are held together with scotch tape and twine.

I really like Liam's jiu jitsu, but am afraid once he goes against an excellent wrestler, like Davis, he will be flattened out and smothered. Liam has a very agressive/sloppy style. He's going to end up in side control or half guard of a strong wrestler and get flattened and smothered.

The Fedor announcement was disappointing, but everyone knew it was coming. I don't know who they can pull out for him though. The Bellator HW divison is pretty much non-existent. 

 
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I agree the rule is stupid and how they treat it is stupid, but everyone knows how the NSAC treats it. It may get changed someday, but I wish there was a better campaign for it and not with someone like Diaz in the spotlight.
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That's what I've been saying. Without getting too political, Nick Diaz is like Michael Brown in this thing. Even if there's a point to be made in general...this is not the guy to be making it for, lol. Diaz is not a worthy martyr for the merits of marijuana.

As for Fedor, he's coming off as more of a past his prime publicity whore every day. Give him another year and HE might be Tito, lol.

 
Jon Jones sentenced with probation. Judge warns him that he "got real lucky".

http://www.mmamania.com/2015/9/29/9414481/ex-ufc-champ-jon-jones-pleads-guilty-sentenced-supervised-probation-for-april-hit-and-run-mma

Now to see if he announces a UFC return soon. Cormier is basically begging for another ass kicking, so that should be motivating. But I really, really hope Jones gets his shit together this time. Leave the partying behind, man. Time to grow up and stop acting like a dumb college kid.

Also...

http://www.mmamania.com/2015/9/29/9414219/ufc-pic-felice-herrig-gets-naked-for-muscle-fitness-its-hot-mma

...you're welcome. :)

 
Wow...the Hendricks/Woodley fight got pulled because Hendricks is having "weight cutting issues". I hope he's sick or something because that's terrible otherwise, since he basically wasted a title shot. It has to be something in regards to him being unhealthy because you'd think they'd just do the standard "give the other fighter some of your purse" thing.

Although, I guess if Woodley lost, it would feel dumb still giving him the title shot...but losing revenue from the fight seems even dumber. Gotta be a health issue for Hendricks. That or he's doing some stupid Rumble Johnson thing where he's walking around at 220, lol.

 
Holy shit! Cormier just did this to Gustafsson...

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lol...damn!
 
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