NYC Soda Ban... banned!

[quote name='cfootball1']It was a joke. Still, how your logical progression somehow led to banning toys from kids meals solves childhood obesity is hilarious to me. The parent completely devoid of any responsibility. Also, are the obese adults in this country eating profusely because of the toys in happy meals?

Kids love Sundays, would you let your kid eat Sundays for dinner?[/QUOTE]

The real joke is that there have been 6-7 posts laying out my exact argument of which you seem to completely ignore. Maybe you should bootstrap yourself some reading comprehension and take note of me talking about policy instead of using nebulous terms like "personal responsibility" or creating a magic bullet that solves "everything" in the way that you foolishly think personal responsibility would.

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happy meals are a great convenience thing to get a kid. And there's not that much in them. But it does glorify mcdonalds and get the ball rolling for some. So i would say possibly an avenue to address in some shake up.
 
Do they even have a healthy kids meal at McDonald's? The AMC theateres started selling a healthy kids snack pack, which I favor more than the candy, popcorn, and soda,

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[quote name='Clak']I don't know about you guys, but when I was younger I preferred Fridays with hot fudge sauce.[/QUOTE]
I preferred McDonalds fried apple pies.

[quote name='skiizim']Do they even have a healthy kids meal at McDonald's? The AMC theateres started selling a healthy kids snack pack, which I favor more than the candy, popcorn, and soda,

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Not a fan of fruit chips, but the Odwalla bar looks pretty good.
 
Speaking of theaters, is it common for them to have..."butter troughs" (for want of a better phrase) to add to your popcorn?

I noticed it a few months back for the first time, and thought "wow, isn't that insidious - if you get the customer to add their own butter, they can no longer reasonably bitch about the pisspoor nutrition of movie popcorn, since it becomes "their responsibility" to add as much or as little as they want."

Do the theaters you all go to do this?
 
[quote name='mykevermin']Speaking of theaters, is it common for them to have..."butter troughs" (for want of a better phrase) to add to your popcorn?

I noticed it a few months back for the first time, and thought "wow, isn't that insidious - if you get the customer to add their own butter, they can no longer reasonably bitch about the pisspoor nutrition of movie popcorn, since it becomes "their responsibility" to add as much or as little as they want."

Do the theaters you all go to do this?[/QUOTE]

Most of the ones I've been to in the past decade have pumps where you add butter yourself (mostly Cinemark/AMC).
 
1 of the the theaters here is like that, has two butter stations for the popcorn. I sometimes think I'm the only person on earth who doesn't like butter on popcorn.
 
[quote name='Clak']1 of the the theaters here is like that, has two butter stations for the popcorn. I sometimes think I'm the only person on earth who doesn't like butter on popcorn.[/QUOTE]

I don't. I usually have to compromise, cause the GF likes lots of butter, and I like almost none.
 
SECRET FYI: That sh*t you add to your popcorn at the theater AIN'T Butter

Think of it as liquid grease that give popcorn a slick feel with butter smell added to it. There is absolutely not a single real drop of butter in that sh*t
 
[quote name='Clak']I sometimes think I'm the only person on earth who doesn't like butter on popcorn.[/QUOTE]
Funny, I thought it was just me too.

[quote name='Finger_Shocker']SECRET FYI: That sh*t you add to your popcorn at the theater AIN'T Butter

Think of it as liquid grease that give popcorn a slick feel with butter smell added to it. There is absolutely not a single real drop of butter in that sh*t[/QUOTE]
I think most of us already know that, guy.:lol:
 
The Soda ban was absurd. If i want soda i should be able to buy Soda, however much i please! There's far worse things not banned.

Lets just ban chocolate and chips also. Lets have no enjoyment. Lets just eat greens and walk around with calorie meters on our arms. Ridiculous to the core.
 
[quote name='elessar123']I don't. I usually have to compromise, cause the GF likes lots of butter, and I like almost none.[/QUOTE]
Exact same situation here.

[quote name='dohdough']Funny, I thought it was just me too.


I think most of us already know that, guy.:lol:[/QUOTE]

We should unionize.
 
[quote name='pyschonerd']The Soda ban was absurd. If i want soda i should be able to buy Soda, however much i please! There's far worse things not banned.

Lets just ban chocolate and chips also. Lets have no enjoyment. Lets just eat greens and walk around with calorie meters on our arms. Ridiculous to the core.[/QUOTE]

Well, thanks for adding non-reactionary hyperbolic reason and logic to the discussion. :lol: I'm so sorry we're trying to ban all soda ever, and not simply enact portion controls. We'll pry your Dr. Pepper from your cold, dead hands, right? :lol:

In other news, here's science: http://www.cnn.com/2013/03/19/health/sugary-drinks-deaths/index.html?hpt=hp_inthenews

Let us commence with our industry-brainwashed disregarding of scientific evidence! Moderation! Moderation! Free will! Big gulps for everyone!
 
"Free Will" is now industrial brain washing?

What more should I expect from someone who thinks letting people put their own butter on popcorn is some kind of secret conspiracy to prevent people from blaming theater chains for the amount of butter they put on their popcorn?
 
[quote name='Clak']I always suspected Mr. Pibb had a murderous side.[/QUOTE]

I think I want to write a script for a horror movie along these lines. Think Puppet Master, or Child's Play, perhaps.

Working title: "Line Extension"
 
[quote name='mykevermin']Well, thanks for adding non-reactionary hyperbolic reason and logic to the discussion. :lol: I'm so sorry we're trying to ban all soda ever, and not simply enact portion controls. We'll pry your Dr. Pepper from your cold, dead hands, right? :lol:

In other news, here's science: http://www.cnn.com/2013/03/19/health/sugary-drinks-deaths/index.html?hpt=hp_inthenews

Let us commence with our industry-brainwashed disregarding of scientific evidence! Moderation! Moderation! Free will! Big gulps for everyone![/QUOTE]

Here's science? Haha. I'm pretty content thanks for your concern. You go stress over portions of soda. I don't really appreciate your condescending tone, but then what should i expect of a lonely person with 36 thousand posts? I guess you want an argument, only interaction you get all day. I'm happy to oblige

Back in the real world, conspiracy theories about Soda companies brainwashing people to their dastardly deeds, and make a buck of destroying lives all because they got a big bottle of pop instead of a government recommend slightly small version is beyond laughable.

Scientific?
You don't need to be a scientist to realize the amount of money down the drain due to this ridiculous legislation that was inevitably overturned was disgusting when we're in austerity. If science is responsible for miserable little people trying to lecture those who actually contribute to society, not sit on the net reciting the latest books they've read because they have no friends, then thank fuck i became an accountant.
 
This is the same type of science that contributes a natural death to heart disease because after all during a natural death your heart does stop beating and based on that it can be "scientifically" concluded that your heart failed.

Drank a soda at some point during your lifetime? Smoked a cancer stick? You just got put into someones agenda!

No one is debating that too much soda isn't healthy---but then again neither is too much water.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']I think I want to write a script for a horror movie along these lines. Think Puppet Master, or Child's Play, perhaps.

Working title: "Line Extension"[/QUOTE]
I'd better get a producer credit.
 
[quote name='pyschonerd']Back in the real world, conspiracy theories about Soda companies brainwashing people to their dastardly deeds, and make a buck of destroying lives all because they got a big bottle of pop instead of a government recommend slightly small version is beyond laughable.[/quote]

Sweet strawman, dawg. Nobody is arguing that, so please find something better to say. Start with what someone actually said, perhaps?

Speaking of effects of federal regulation: http://www.salute.gov.it/imgs/C_17_newsAree_1092_listaFile_itemName_1_file.pdf
 
[quote name='pyschonerd']Here's science? Haha. I'm pretty content thanks for your concern. You go stress over portions of soda. I don't really appreciate your condescending tone, but then what should i expect of a lonely person with 36 thousand posts? I guess you want an argument, only interaction you get all day. I'm happy to oblige

Back in the real world, conspiracy theories about Soda companies brainwashing people to their dastardly deeds, and make a buck of destroying lives all because they got a big bottle of pop instead of a government recommend slightly small version is beyond laughable.

Scientific?
You don't need to be a scientist to realize the amount of money down the drain due to this ridiculous legislation that was inevitably overturned was disgusting when we're in austerity. If science is responsible for miserable little people trying to lecture those who actually contribute to society, not sit on the net reciting the latest books they've read because they have no friends, then thank fuck i became an accountant.[/QUOTE]
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No one is arguing that sugary sodas (or fatty foods, or tobacco, or drugs, or whatever) isn't bad for you. That's a strawman and a half of a debate.

The issue at hand is at what point government should be able to restrict private citizen access to these products. But then, that gets into the entire personal responsibility and individual freedom aspect of life that so many people fail to understand.
 
In all fairness the FDA should enforce wtf we are putting into our bodies. Labeling should be a top priority and not something they let skeet on by. Labels should not be misleading and should allow further access to to give a broader explanation. I'm not a big fan of MSG and all these other preservatives these companies use to allow a long shelf life.
 
[quote name='skiizim']In all fairness the FDA should enforce wtf we are putting into our bodies. Labeling should be a top priority and not something they let skeet on by. Labels should not be misleading and should allow further access to to give a broader explanation. I'm not a big fan of MSG and all these other preservatives these companies use to allow a long shelf life.[/QUOTE]

Have you taken a look at what you can do if you just label your product a "vitamin" or "supplement"?

They aren't even regulated by the FDA and have very little to no quality & assurance standards to meet, and can make any claim they choose as long as they put a disclaimer on the package saying that the claim hasn't been/isn't support by the FDA or actual research.

FDA Label Requirements
The Dietary Supplement Health and Education Act of 1994 defines dietary supplements as products taken by mouth that contain "dietary ingredients" for the intent of supplementing the diet. The act deems vitamin supplements food items, not drugs, and they can take the form of tablets, capsules, liquids or powders. The FDA requires vitamin supplement labels to provide a descriptive name that indicates the item is a supplement, as well as a manufacturer, packer or distributor name and place of business, the ingredients list and net contents. A supplement facts panel must appear on the label, which identifies each ingredient contained in the product.

FDA Role in Product Safety
Manufacturers of vitamin supplements are responsible for product safety before marketing, since vitamins are categorized as a food product. The FDA does not have to approve, test or analyze the vitamin supplement before it is dispersed to the masses. However, if a vitamin product comes under scrutiny, the FDA has the responsibility of proving the item is unsafe before it can pull it from the market shelves. Once the manufacturer or distributor receives notice of adverse effects associated with a vitamin product, the manufacturer must send a report to the FDA within 15 days of the initial claim of questionable safety.

Disclaimers
Vitamin supplement products often have a disclaimer indicating certain statements on the label are not FDA evaluated. This means the FDA does not necessarily support manufacturers' health claims of what the supplement may do for your body. For instance, the label of a B-complex vitamin supplement may claim to improve your energy, help you think clearly and boost metabolism. Statements of this sort are claims made by the manufacturer, not tested and confirmed by the FDA.
 
[quote name='elessar123']Even the recent GMO labeling controversy. You can aparantly label no GMO and have GMO in the product.[/QUOTE]

Care to elaborate?

Are you referring to the ballot in last year's CA general election? It didn't win anyway.

I'm not anti-GMO entirely, but I do believe that accurate labeling is hugely important; in its absence, the very notion of the free market is ruined. A consumer can not make informed decisions if companies do not label products accurately, and their contempt for consumers is especially evident when they block legislation to label their products accurately.

Go back to Coca-Cola's Simply Orange line of products. Looking at the carton, you can't tell that it's a Coke product at all, and you don't see the industrial processes and chemicals included in the beverage. The ingredients state "oranges." That hides so much from consumers so as to eliminate the possibility of an informed consumer who can make educated purchasing decisions in the marketplace.

That is what disgusts me. Not GMOs: hiding ingredients, chemicals, and processes.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']
That is what disgusts me. Not GMOs: hiding ingredients, chemicals, and processes.[/QUOTE]


You can be sure that there are plenty of extra unlisted pesticides in your GMO produce/products.

I'm all for labeling everything. GMO, pesticide residue, orange juice perfume, petroleum-based softeners in ice cream, etc. For this to happen we would need to put more money into the FDA, which I don't see happening.
 
We'll need GMOs going into the future anyway, it's inevitable. Without them there's no way we can feed everyone in the world with traditional crops. Future Americans are also going to have to change their diets, as the world simply can't sustain everyone eating like Americans do.
 
[quote name='willardhaven']You can be sure that there are plenty of extra unlisted pesticides in your GMO produce/products.

I'm all for labeling everything. GMO, pesticide residue, orange juice perfume, petroleum-based softeners in ice cream, etc. For this to happen we would need to put more money into the FDA, which I don't see happening.[/QUOTE]
More government waste. If you don't like what a company puts in it's products, then vote with your dollar and don't buy it, free market!

Oh, you don't know wtf they're putting in it because they won't say? Well shit...
 
[quote name='mykevermin']Care to elaborate?

Are you referring to the ballot in last year's CA general election? It didn't win anyway.

That is what disgusts me. Not GMOs: hiding ingredients, chemicals, and processes.[/QUOTE]

Yes. I don't mind it that much either (yet), but it's straight lying. It's part of the issue of hiding processes.

Also, I wish the industry would stop using sorbitol. Due to ingesting sorbitol, my tolerance of it is now so little, I can't chew sorbitol gum.
 
[quote name='Clak']We'll need GMOs going into the future anyway, it's inevitable. Without them there's no way we can feed everyone in the world with traditional crops. Future Americans are also going to have to change their diets, as the world simply can't sustain everyone eating like Americans do.[/QUOTE]

At least in the US I would be more concerned with a drought that affect the harvest of new crops, I'm sure it will on this side of the Mississippi, most of our water in CA comes from CO and the past few years I keep on reading how the snow pack isn't the same.
 
[quote name='UncleBob']Forget the fake butter... I don't see how anyone can eat popcorn. Stuff is nasty...[/QUOTE]

Never, ever get popcorn at movies. Stuff is too crunchy and to me smells weird.As a kid my mom was an absolute fiend with that and soda, but she`s (thankfully) never had a single health repercussion in her life. I envy people with crazy good metabolisms some times...
 
[quote name='skiizim']At least in the US I would be more concerned with a drought that affect the harvest of new crops, I'm sure it will on this side of the Mississippi, most of our water in CA comes from CO and the past few years I keep on reading how the snow pack isn't the same.[/QUOTE]
That's my point in saying that we can't feed everyone with traditional crops.
 
[quote name='Clak']That's my point in saying that we can't feed everyone with traditional crops.[/QUOTE]

No?

Can we feed everyone without pumping steroids into cattle (beef) or estrogen into cows (milk)?
 
No, I don't think we can. Our population continues to sky rocket while our food supply continues to deplete itself. Eating healthy (organic, chemical free, gmo free) is going to become un-obtainable for most of the general population.

Couple that with the fact that no one grows a garden or raises their own food anymore and the outlook just doesn't look good.
 
[quote name='perdition(troy']No, I don't think we can. Our population continues to sky rocket while our food supply continues to deplete itself. Eating healthy (organic, chemical free, gmo free) is going to become un-obtainable for most of the general population.

Couple that with the fact that no one grows a garden or raises their own food anymore and the outlook just doesn't look good.[/QUOTE]

Just need a culture shift is all. Look at all the people who need jobs if they could grow crops or sell food even in a local radius it could be beneficial in many ways. They just need to see it's viable and possible and know how and what to do.
 
I thought I heard recently that - on average across the nation - we throw away 50% of our food. I can't count how many times I go to a restaurant and see people leaving nearly full plates of food, not even taking it home to eat as leftovers. I find it infuriating. My friends do this, they know I hate it, and they just don't care. I'll sometimes go as far as taking their leftovers, assuming the food is, ah, appropriate for that kind of thing (i.e., pizza, which is segmented, versus spaghetti, which isn't).

This doesn't include food that rots in our fridges, or goes bad in our pantries, or is refused in supermarkets (that apple has a bad spot and I REFUSE to eat it), so on so on.

Restaurants - depending on laws - can't give food to the homeless. Some find that even when they do, it ends up becoming a huge hassle, so they stop doing it.

Wasn't there a show - or at least a group of people - who go around checking dumpsters for all the produce that gets thrown away by markets/restaurants?

I think we could feed the nation, easily. But it would require a commitment by everyone, and our nation just isn't that compassionate. People bitch enough about recycling, refusing to do so, and then being PROUD of it, as if everyone else who does it is some kind of weird socialistc pussy $$$$$$ asshole loser. So I have no faith that anyone would dare take the effort to do it.

Wasting food is something that really gets under my skin very fast. Honestly, at least meet me halfway, and use rotten food to fertilize plants. It takes virtually zero effort to do that, and yet people are too lazy to do so.

Again, your closest analogue is recycling, and people just don't give a fuck about that.
 
In a country so rich in...practically everything, I'm sure we do waste a large amount of food. That's what happens when the people fo a given country are affluent enough to waste at all. On the other hand, take countries which are poorer and less developed, I'll be they waste a lot less food, because somebody will eat it if you won't.

The outlook for the world is going to be bad when some of the up and coming developing nations start becoming more afluent, and thus more able to waste as well. The world simply can't sustain American sized appetites on a global scale. Yet it's hard to tell people that although we've been living high on the hog, eating ourselves to death, they can't do that.
 
In the fridge at my work RIGHT NOW, there is a full pizza. A full fucking 16" pizza. And then in that same box, there's half another pizza on top of that pizza. It's been there for two weeks and I know it'll just end up in the dumpster.
 
We could feed the homeless with the scraps of leftovers but in today's world everyone is looking to cover their own rear in case of law suits if someone gets ill eating what the restaurant would throw out.

Also most of the food that is thrown away at restaurants are empty calories. We need to go back to the home garden mentality. It is a mentality that this country has. We don't eat enough to fuel the body, we eat enough to fuel the body for multiple days in one sit down.

I do agree with your point though. We need to be more creative with how we eat and waste food. That bugs me as well (and I'm also a I'll take your leftovers home kind of guy).
 
I used to have a big backyard we grew food in, and access to an amazing local farmer's market (I was in my late 20's before I ever knew eggs weren't naturally all white!) with cheap, local, fresh.

Now I don't even have a lawn, I have three squares of sidewalk. City livin'.

I do buy a load of frozen veg and fresh greens (KALE FTMFW), avoid canned veg as much as possible.

I miss the freshness of garden veg, but also the "fuck yeah, I did this!" sense of satisfaction that comes with it as well.
 
Ya, one of the best things we did was take a large portion of our yard and turned it into a garden. Things just taste better when they are fresh, and when you put the work into it. We also have a couple farmers markets in very close proximity, nothing beats fresh produce when preparing meals. That is one of the sucky parts about being a city dweller (not easy to grow your own food).

My wife is crazy about Kale. It goes into smoothies, salads, wherever she can make it make sense lol.
 
[quote name='mykevermin'](I was in my late 20's before I ever knew eggs weren't naturally all white!)[/QUOTE]

I think I'm missing something here. There are plenty of natural white eggs. I see white eggs all the time at farmers markets.
 
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