The Yes We CAG Movement - Now to win the Presidency!

[quote name='bmachine']Have you guys seen Barack's new "Closing Argument" speech?
It's pretty inspiring...I got a little choked up. :oops:
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Yeah...not gonna lie, I started gettin' teary-eyed when he talked about parents not being able to go to college, but saving up for their kid. That's exactly how my parents were. They were only Korean high school graduates but they took the chance and moved to America, worked from the bottom (and still are kinda haha), and gave me the opportunity to go to college.

Not gonna lie when I say that a lot of Obama's ideals sound too promising and almost impossible to do. But I'm also not gonna lie when I say that he's a guy that's proved time and time again that he cares for the American people, and will bring something new to the government. I may be a poor college student (soon to be a poor college graduate), but fuck it, I'm gonna give it my all, and help those a little worse off than me.

Yes we CAG whoooooo!
 
Another reason why i'm voting Obama

http://www.iowastatedaily.com/articles/2008/10/27/news/local_news/doc49068f6ccce49245010961.txt

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Lara Elborno, a senior at the University of Iowa, is escorted out of Sen. John McCain’s, R-Ariz., campaign rally at the University of Northern Iowa in Cedar Falls Sunday. Elborno said she was sitting peacefully before asked to leave. Photo: Jon Lemons/Iowa State Daily


Audience members escorted out of Sen. John McCain’s, R-Ariz., campaign event in Cedar Falls questioned why they were asked to leave Sunday’s rally even though they were not protesting.

David Zarifis, director of public safety for the University of Northern Iowa, said McCain staffers requested UNI police assist in escorting out “about four or five” people from the rally prior to McCain’s speech.

Zarifis said while the people who were taken out weren’t protesting or causing problems, McCain’s staff were worried they would during the speech.

“Apparently, they had been identified by those staffers as potential protesters within the event,” Zarifis said. “The facility was rented by the RNC for the McCain campaign, so it’s really a private facility for them. We assisted in their desires to have those people removed.”

Lara Elborno, a student at the University of Iowa, said she was approached by a police officer and a McCain staffer and was told she had to leave or she would be arrested for trespassing.

“It was a very confusing, very frustrating situation,” Elborno said. “I said that I had a right to be there, I wasn’t doing anything disruptive — I was sitting, waiting for the rally to start.”

She said McCain staffers wouldn’t tell her why she was being asked to leave and when she got outside, she saw “a group of about 20 people” who had all been asked to leave.

Elborno said after seeing the people who were asked to leave, she was concerned that McCain’s staffers were profiling people on appearance to determine who might be a potential protester.

“When I started talking to them, it kind of became clear that they were kind of just telling people to leave that they thought maybe would be disruptive, but based on what? Based on how they looked,” Elborno said. “It was pretty much all young people, the college demographic.”

Elborno said even McCain supporters were among those being asked to leave.

“I saw a couple that had been escorted out and they were confused as well, and the girl was crying, so I said ‘Why are you crying? and she said ‘I already voted for McCain, I’m a Republican, and they said we had to leave because we didn’t look right,’” Elborno said. “They were handpicking these people and they had nothing to go off of, besides the way the people looked.”

Elborno said while she has protested at events before, no plans were discussed beforehand for a protest and she shouldn’t have been taken out because she was not causing a disturbance.

“If I had been disruptive, then I would have deserved to be taken out,” Elborno said. “But at the time I was asked to leave, I wasn’t doing anything.”

Elborno said she’s stunned at how the situation was handled, especially McCain’s staffers’ refusal to discuss the matter.

“I’ve never seen anything like this,” she said.

Despite repeated attempts, McCain’s campaign could not be reached for comment


What a bunch of dicks. But more importantly what is he doing in Iowa? He has no chance of winning in that state. But I guess when your in his position where else can he go? You can only go to Pa. so many times.
 
[quote name='depascal22']How are they supposed to get independents and Democrats to vote for McCain if they aren't even allowed to go to a stupid rally?[/quote]

Don't worry. The voting machines will take care of that.
 
I watched. Nothing new, but I think it was a good move to run it. Nice 30 minute, detailed outline of his plan that could be useful for the few people who still haven't made up their mind.
 
[quote name='homeland']Another reason why i'm voting Obama
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Holy shit, that's fucking horrible. Imagine what his presidency would be like with this totalitarian bullshit.

I think the room got a bit dusty at the end of the Obamamercial when he said, "I am not a perfect man and I will not be a perfect president, but I promise you, I will try..." and was shown embracing people from entirely different walks of life, in black and white photographs. What an emotional powerhouse that was.
 
[quote name='Dead of Knight']Holy shit, that's fucking horrible. Imagine what his presidency would be like with this totalitarian bullshit.

I think the room got a bit dusty at the end of the Obamamercial when he said, "I am not a perfect man and I will not be a perfect president, but I promise you, I will try..." and was shown embracing people from entirely different walks of life, in black and white photographs. What an emotional powerhouse that was.[/quote]

I agree.

btw, new viral obama ad

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Xnk9aqih8o

Make sure you vote now!!!!
 
I thought more about the article homeland posted. Implicitly, it seems like the McCain campaign has completely given up on young, college-age voters. At the rally, they were tagged as "protesters" and asked to leave even before the thing started. And some of these young people turned out to be diehard McCain supporters. Good going dumbass. This really needs to be seen by more young people: McCain doesn't want your vote, he isn't even trying anymore.
 
[quote name='Dead of Knight']Already mailed my absentee ballot last week bitch!!! ;)[/quote]

awesome, :applause: all my friends have early voted... took 8 mins
 
[quote name='billyrox']awesome, :applause: all my friends have early voted... took 8 mins[/QUOTE]

I tried to convince my boyfriend to vote early, but he says he plans on taking half a day off Election Day to vote. He might actually need it, because while he hasn't voted in this precinct before, I'm pretty sure the majority of it is poor blacks. In urban Ohio. So yeah, he might actually take the whole afternoon.
 
[quote name='dropbearGSH']Obama is a socialist, so McCain by default.[/quote]

he's not a socialist, marxist, muslim, terorist, or whatever inflammtory bull that gets thrown around.

if you define him as a socialist, then wtf did the Bush do in "socializing" the entire financial industry with 700 Billion dollars?

but whatever, its not even worth the effort to explain to the ignorant anymore.
 
Why does Bush get the blame/credit for the 700B bailout? Congress was just as enthusiastic about it, and it required their signature.

You are right though, both sides are socialist (in my book).

What this election really comes down to is one simple question that should be put on the ballot:

Do you want much more blatant redistribution of wealth? Circle one: Of course I do | No, but lie to me about planning for it anyway.
 
Every time the government does anything, it is a redistribution of wealth. All taxes are a redistribution of wealth.

And for the last 30 years in particular, we have been redistributing wealth from the lower and middle classes to the upper class.
 
[quote name='Dr Mario Kart']
And for the last 30 years in particular, we have been redistributing wealth from the lower and middle classes to the upper class.[/QUOTE]

Uhuh. By that definition, as long as rich people own businesses that poor people buy from, it's redistribution of wealth like you state.

I tell you what, when a large percentage of those that don't pay any taxes at all are given a fat check from the government, there is a word for that - welfare. That's not a new tax idea, that's the largest welfare system in history.
 
Already voted for Obama a few weeks ago via absentee ballot. I don't know why I even bothered, though, since it's going to Texas but at least I voted my opinion. I kind of like this whole NSF/scientific research fund increasing bit a lot, since it'll keep me in a job.
 
[quote name='thrustbucket']Do you want much more blatant redistribution of wealth? Circle one: Of course I do | No, but lie to me about planning for it anyway.[/quote]

Better ...

Who do you want redistribution of wealth to? Circle one: Lower class and middle class | Upper class
 
[quote name='billyrox']he's not a socialist, marxist, muslim, terorist, or whatever inflammtory bull that gets thrown around.

if you define him as a socialist, then wtf did the Bush do in "socializing" the entire financial industry with 700 Billion dollars?

but whatever, its not even worth the effort to explain to the ignorant anymore.[/quote]

I never defended Bush on the bailout, I wont defend him on anything, the guy has put our country in the crapper. Anyway, I'm pretty sure both Obama and McCain were pro bailout too. I am voting for McCain because he is not Obama. You say he's not a socailist, but making health care a right and redistributing wealth through increasing tax on business owners sounds like socialism to me. You know he's got a group of employees (that happen to be police officers/sherrifs) called the "truth squad" that go around and tries to squelch any potential PR blemish before it gets too big? You're right, he's not a socialist, he is a communist.
 
[quote name='dropbearGSH']redistributing wealth through increasing tax on business owners sounds like socialism to me.[/quote]

Is it the capital gains tax that has you irked? The income taxes are being restored to what they were pre-W. for the top two brackets and not for the rest. Is that socialism? Were we socialist before W. Bush cut income taxes? It's not like the brackets were even in the first place. Does raising the top bracket 3.6% take you from capitalist to socialist?

[quote name='dropbearGSH']You know he's got a group of employees (that happen to be police officers/sherrifs) called the "truth squad" that go around and tries to squelch any potential PR blemish before it gets too big? You're right, he's not a socialist, he is a communist.[/quote]

They've failed horribly. So take solace in the fact that he's apparently a failed dictator communist Hitler-Stalin.
 
[quote name='depascal22']What's wrong with everyone getting health care. You can call it socialist all you want but I want to see a doctor.[/quote]

I don't want there to be nationalized health care.

However, the free market has failed to deliver affordable health care to a large portion of citizens.

Now, why is that?

Could it be the shortage of doctors generated by AMA?

Could it be the grueling conditions doctors must endure during their residence phase?

Could it be the average person in a sue first environment looking at doctors as a winning lottery ticket?

Could it be an environment focusing on expensive cure procedures instead of inexpensive prevention procedures?

For most people, it has to be caused by one thing and only one thing. The scope of the problem is too big for the average mind.
 
[quote name='fatherofcaitlyn']I don't want there to be nationalized health care.

However, the free market has failed to deliver affordable health care to a large portion of citizens.

Now, why is that?

Could it be the shortage of doctors generated by AMA?

Could it be the grueling conditions doctors must endure during their residence phase?

Could it be the average person in a sue first environment looking at doctors as a winning lottery ticket?

Could it be an environment focusing on expensive cure procedures instead of inexpensive prevention procedures?

For most people, it has to be caused by one thing and only one thing. The scope of the problem is too big for the average mind.[/quote]

you ask a lot of questions, so whats your answer
 
[quote name='billyrox']you ask a lot of questions, so whats your answer[/quote]

If you'll allow me to remake the world ...

1. Put no restrictions on the number of doctors generated by the American educational system.

Good Result: More colleges creating more doctors. Educational cost would drop.

Bad Result: Average quality of doctors graduating would drop.

2. Make residencies easier. Instead of 120 hours a week in an ER, 40 hours a week.

Good Result: The ER doc removing bullets from your chest hasn't been awake for 3 days. Overall quality of ER care would improve.

Bad Result: Residencies might have to be longer. Doctors wouldn't be paid as much. Average quality of a doctor leaving a residence COULD be lower.

3. Put realistic limits on lawsuits or revoke medical licenses quicker. A woman in a high risk pregnancy dies in labor. How many millions of dollars was that woman worth if she had worked another 40 years? A doctor screws up a stitch job. How about a suspension instead of a lawsuit?

Good Result: Doctors don't have to flee a state due to possible lawsuits in the future. OBGYN.

Bad Result: Sloppy work isn't punished as much in dollar terms.

4. Treat the cause of a problem over the long term, not the symptom over the short term. A fatass with high blood pressure can't get an erection. Current therapy: High blood pressure meds, Cialis and an eventual bypass operation. Better therapy: Walking, then running or reducing fat and sugar intake.

Good Result: People live longer and healthier.

Bad Result: Doctors don't make as much money on big ticket treatments.
 
[quote name='bigdaddy']McCain will still win, racists, stupid people, and fraud are all great for McCain.[/quote]

I think that most likely Obama will win by about 7 points (McCain really fucked up this whole campaign... that's why I never wanted him to be nominated).

McCain has to hope that Mykevermin's theory that everyone (outside of a few enlightened liberals) is latently racist holds true. Then the Bradley effect might take hold and McCain may win a squeaker...
 
[quote name='fatherofcaitlyn']I don't want there to be nationalized health care.

However, the free market has failed to deliver affordable health care to a large portion of citizens.

Now, why is that?

Could it be the shortage of doctors generated by AMA?

Could it be the grueling conditions doctors must endure during their residence phase?

Could it be the average person in a sue first environment looking at doctors as a winning lottery ticket?

Could it be an environment focusing on expensive cure procedures instead of inexpensive prevention procedures?

For most people, it has to be caused by one thing and only one thing. The scope of the problem is too big for the average mind.[/QUOTE]

Why would you confuse the issue with facts when all we really want to do is just put the government in charge, since that's always made everything better before?
 
[quote name='fatherofcaitlyn']4. Treat the cause of a problem over the long term, not the symptom over the short term. A fatass with high blood pressure can't get an erection. Current therapy: High blood pressure meds, Cialis and an eventual bypass operation. Better therapy: Walking, then running or reducing fat and sugar intake.

Good Result: People live longer and healthier.

Bad Result: Doctors don't make as much money on big ticket treatments.[/quote]

People are also stupid and don't listen when the doctor tells them to do these things, so I'm cool with just lettin' em die.
 
[quote name='evanft']People are also stupid and don't listen when the doctor tells them to do these things, so I'm cool with just lettin' em die.[/quote]

Unfortunately, it doesn't work that way... they come in to the hospital after a major heart attack. Of course, their code status is invariably full code/full care so they get resuscitated to the point that we get a pulse back, they get intubated, probably have some degree of anoxic brain injury and then they hang around in the ICU on a ventilator for a while... a couple of weeks and $100K to $200K later, the family either decides to pull the plug or they get transferred to a vent facility where they hang out for years, while their family cashes their social security checks... good times! Please everyone, do me a favor and talk to your relatives, make them all fill out advance directives and if they're over 40 years old, make them DNR/DNI...
 
[quote name='fatherofcaitlyn']I don't want there to be nationalized health care.

However, the free market has failed to deliver affordable health care to a large portion of citizens.

Now, why is that?

Could it be the shortage of doctors generated by AMA?[/quote]

There is essentially a monopoly on medical care that has been created by the licensing agencies... who rip us off with large fees and totally shitty service. The one benefit is quality control: there are only 8 med schools in California and all (except for Loma Linda, J/K ;)) are very good. If you take law schools, there is a world of difference b/w top ranked schools and lower ranked schools.

Could it be the grueling conditions doctors must endure during their residence phase?
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Residency sucks, which makes fewer people want to go into medicine. We actually refer to normal weekends off as "golden weekends," since they are so rare. But now with the economy tanking, I predict more ppl will choose the security of medicine.

Could it be the average person in a sue first environment looking at doctors as a winning lottery ticket?
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This is big. We waste a shit ton of money carrying out scans and studies "just to make sure things are OK." There is a fear that if you miss something, you are fucked!

Could it be an environment focusing on expensive cure procedures instead of inexpensive prevention procedures?
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Patient compliance is a big component of this and patients tend not to be compliant... most of the problems with which people present are self-induced in one way or another.
 
So we ran into a couple of general practice doctors today. Older dudes that have done it for a while.

Politics came up in the conversation. They both mentioned that if Obama gets elected they will cut their practice down and work about half as much. When asked why, they responded that they would be taxed so much in that bracket that it wasn't worth the time working, so they would just work less and enjoy life more.

I guess we can call that the first bullet point in the new health care plan. Welcome to the Obamanation?

On the bright side, I guess under Obama, Doctors won't be tempted to work as much by that evil money.
 
[quote name='thrustbucket']So we ran into a couple of general practice doctors today. Older dudes that have done it for a while.

Politics came up in the conversation. They both mentioned that if Obama gets elected they will cut their practice down and work about half as much. When asked why, they responded that they would be taxed so much in that bracket that it wasn't worth the time working, so they would just work less.

I guess we can call that the first step in the new health care plan. Welcome to the Obamanation?[/quote]

with a national health care system,.. its fallacy that doctors will get paid less... if its done correctly-everything will become efficient- all the wasted money that goes into massive insurance companies, different paper work for different insurance programs, paper trail for law suit prevention, risk management, pharmaceuticals company crap should be cut out...

what doctors are paid is actually a small percentage of health care... most of the money goes into wasteful, stupid shit

furthermore, it would be stupid to pay doctors less... no one wants a neurosurgeon who spent 11 years of school to make 40,000 a year
 
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