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#391 VipFREAK

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Posted 23 February 2013 - 08:58 PM

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#392 Vulcan2422

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Posted 23 February 2013 - 09:54 PM

Watched the hit or collision a few times on the NHL network and the more I watch it, it looks like Hall was trying to shift his weight on an edge instead of going for the hit and just sorta misstimed it. First suspension for him anyways with no priors. I wish he actually did make a clean hit on Clutterbuck as im not a fan of him at all.

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Posted 23 February 2013 - 10:03 PM

Everybody in the Central is angering me. The inability to hold a lead has cost the Wings a few times in recent games (including Columbus). For our Nashville fan: How have the Preds done after losing a game? Do they typically bounce back with a win?


Ehh...they've been fairly inconsistent. It seems like it's feast or famine with them. Their scoring has been incredibly streaky. Sometimes, it feels like 2 goals is asking a lot. So, Rinne basically has to be perfect if they want to win the game without going to OT. The Preds have had a ridiculous number of OT games already this season (I think it's something like 10). Their overall record is only 8-5-5. It's hard to really know how to view that. On the positive side, they've gotten points in 13 out of 18 games. But on the negative side...they've still lost more games than they've won. They haven't had back to back regulation losses yet this season, which is a good thing, I guess. Though, I could see that ending tonight as they have to go into Detroit.

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Posted 23 February 2013 - 10:10 PM

2 games for a knee that caused injury (the Wild say it's a thigh contusion) is fine with me. That was rather reckless. I'm guessing that his clean record did have something to do with not getting more games.


It's not the individual review or suspension - the NHL occasionally gets it right, but we must not take that as evidence that they're doing the right thing overall. Broken clocks and all that
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Posted 24 February 2013 - 03:58 PM

Everybody in the Central is angering me. The inability to hold a lead has cost the Wings a few times in recent games (including Columbus). For our Nashville fan: How have the Preds done after losing a game? Do they typically bounce back with a win?


From what I keep hearing the Central is the toughest division. After watching the Blues and Blue Jackets game I'm not sure how much more I can watch when it comes to the officiating. I don't know what it is but this season is really bad when it comes to the calls. Hell some of them have been ones that have cost the game or came close. Not sure if I want to watch more of the season. If it continues I really don't know if I will be back for next season.
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#396 Nifty_Shark

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Posted 24 February 2013 - 08:32 PM

It's not the individual review or suspension - the NHL occasionally gets it right, but we must not take that as evidence that they're doing the right thing overall. Broken clocks and all that

I see what you're saying. At least they are more clear about how they go through the process of creating the suspension. What do you mean by "right thing overall"? Like that there is disagreement on how much a hit to the head should be vs knee and such? Wouldn't it be hard to make extremely specific guidelines because there are more factors concerning an illegal hit other than what's put on the box score penalties area?

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Posted 25 February 2013 - 02:33 AM

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#398 n8rockerasu

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Posted 25 February 2013 - 07:00 PM

New NHL alignment for next year...which looks like it will pass.

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Detroit and Columbus go to the Eastern conference and Winnipeg moves to the Western conference (makes sense). The emphasis is clearly on time zones, here, as it may seem odd grouping teams so far apart north and south, when there are closer teams east/west. But when you're constantly losing/gaining an hour for travel time, it probably puts a pretty heavy burden on the league. I think the realignment looks pretty good, with the competitive balance still being pretty even. And anything that helps the league grow and hopefully reduce the need for future bickering is welcome in my book.

Tampa Bay and Florida kind of get screwed, but maybe that's the league showing how it feels about hockey in Florida. You'd think they could bump the Rangers and Islanders into the "Northern" division (no idea what they're going to call them...it feels silly calling one the "Atlantic" and the other the "Northeast"), and allow TB/Florida to be in the South with Carolina, Washington, etc. but I'm guessing they want to preserve the Rangers current division rivalries.

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#399 Nifty_Shark

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Posted 25 February 2013 - 09:34 PM

I always hear/read how these southern teams (Florida/TB/Phoenix) exist for the sole purpose (not completely of course) to have fans from the teams in the north show up. On the few occasional visits to Phoenix I must say I felt like I was at a Wings home game. So perhaps it isn't so bad that the Florida teams get to enjoy a conference full of historical franchises.
If this realignment passes I'd be fine with it. I'm fine with the two series in your own conference before the semi's. To hell with the wild card nonsense. Either you are top 4 or you're not. I'd like to hear some reasons why this alignment would be considered negative. Genuinely not sarcastically. I mean there was a very similar proposal that did not work last time though these small amendments seem to be the best they can be. I say just go ahead and let this be the alignment for the next season. If it turns out to not work after a few years well there can always be a discussion for that.

#400 dafoomie

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Posted 25 February 2013 - 11:17 PM

Tampa and Florida are placeholders for Quebec and a potential 2nd team in the Toronto area, they'd rather play more traditional markets than other Southern teams anyway. Phoenix could move to Seattle and would stay in that division.

#401 NinjaPenguin777

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Posted 26 February 2013 - 02:04 AM

Yea that Tampa Bay team sucks and so do their fans. They can't get anyone to go to their games and their owner puts no money into the team...

The same Tampa Bay team who only ranks 7th in the league in attendance. The same Tampa Bay who out ranks: Vancouver by ~ 200 fans, Ottawa ~300 fans, Buffalo ~300 fans, Pitt ~600 fans, Boston ~1,700 fans, Rangers ~2,000 fans, Edmonton ~2,400 fans, Colorado ~4,300 fans. Yea the league needs to get going on replacing the Lightning :roll: Oh and the Lightning barely rank behind Calgary and Toronto ~85 and ~115 fans

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#402 dafoomie

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Posted 26 February 2013 - 02:32 AM

I wouldn't compare Tampa to those other franchises considering they're bottom 3 in ticket prices and right around the top 5 in building capacity. Raw numbers tell you nothing, they're 21st in percentage of seats sold if ESPN is to be believed (they're not).

Not that you didn't completely misinterpret what I was saying. The teams aren't moving, but they'll be moved out of that division to make room for the 2 rumored new Canadian teams coming in, possibly through expansion. Whether Tampa and Florida are in a division with the Northeast teams or the Atlantic teams doesn't affect them that much, they don't fit neatly with either group and both groups offer a lot of big markets and traditional franchises coming in, which they'd prefer. Columbus in the East is probably a temporary situation.

If anything they'd rather have the 5 Atlantic teams instead of all those Canadian teams in their division.

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#403 NinjaPenguin777

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Posted 26 February 2013 - 03:25 AM

So you did....:-#

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#404 Vulcan2422

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Posted 26 February 2013 - 04:58 AM

Sold out game tomorrow as I was trying to get tickets for my buddy. Hell, some time I watch a non Tampa game and wonder why the hell the terrace level seats are always empty.

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#405 dafoomie

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Posted 26 February 2013 - 05:33 AM

So you did....:-#

Didn't mean to be so mean.

Some teams are pretty much locked in place (the old NE and Atlantic, Western Canadian and California teams), some teams are in a fluid situation and know it going in, they must already know what the plans are if Phoenix moves or if Canada gets expansion teams, but mixing the Southern teams in with the established markets is something they should've done in the beginning.

Tampa's never been a problem franchise at all, things got messy with Koules and Barrie but the new owner has turned that around. Even the Panthers aren't going anywhere.

#406 Nifty_Shark

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Posted 26 February 2013 - 07:11 PM

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I dislike the playoff ideas. Heavily. Do away with conferences and just have 4 divisions. Remove East and West. I'd rather just open it up after the divisional series and let the 4 divisional winners face whoever they would in a proper reseeding. Besides a Stanley Cup final between Central and Atlantic winner would be cool. I'm guessing somebody is terrified of a Stanley Cup final involving a Pacific vs Midwest teams that aren't Vancouver or Chicago (in the foreseeable future). Just deal with it.

More than anything I find the wild card idea to be silly. Just seems tacky.

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Posted 28 February 2013 - 09:37 PM

Not really sure how I will like this change. I'm fine with everything other than Detroit leaving the west and not sure how I will like the way playoffs are being talked about.
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#408 Nifty_Shark

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Posted 28 February 2013 - 10:04 PM

Out of curiosity why do wish to keep Detroit in the West?

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Posted 28 February 2013 - 11:48 PM

Not really sure how I will like this change. I'm fine with everything other than Detroit leaving the west and not sure how I will like the way playoffs are being talked about.


The thing is, Detroit should have never been put in the West. They're in the Eastern time zone. They're not even in the same time zone as most of the teams in their division, let alone other Western Conference teams. The same thing applies to Columbus.

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Posted 01 March 2013 - 09:16 PM

I realize that and I think I don't like it because of the old revelries from the 90's. I guess it is just nostalgia that makes me not like it.
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Posted 02 March 2013 - 07:12 AM

The thing is, Detroit should have never been put in the West. They're in the Eastern time zone. They're not even in the same time zone as most of the teams in their division, let alone other Western Conference teams. The same thing applies to Columbus.


They had to be. More people live in the east than the west so surprise there are more teams in the east than the west.

This realignment stuff wouldn't be so bad if the playoffs were division winners 1-2 everyone else 3-8. The formats they keep putting out there now are mathmatical messes (and division playoffs are stupid too) and the only fair solution is, surprise, expanding to 32 teams. Ugh.
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Posted 02 March 2013 - 03:49 PM

That is the first time I've seen Chara look like anything other than the most awkward tower ever :hot:

#413 Nifty_Shark

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Posted 05 March 2013 - 02:21 PM

Kinda quiet here. Hows everyone's team doing lately? How about all those suspensions being handed out recently? How come Ottawa is still doing well? Somebody on the east coast give a synopsis. The West is a mess with almost every team competing for a playoff spot. I'd say the only teams that are truly doomed are Columbus and Calgary. Actually the Northwest division is just poor. So everyone except Vancouver may just be considered an afterthought even if they grab a 8th/7th seed.

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Posted 05 March 2013 - 03:18 PM

4 games for the Zolnierczyk is ridiculous. 2 games I can see, and would totally agree with, but 4 games really reinforces the arbitrary nature of NHL suspensions. Kronwall got zilch for the same kind of hit on Jakub Voracek last season, and James Neal (or was it Asham) got 1 game for headhunting two players in one game during the playoffs. Erskine (Caps) got 1 game, maybe 2, for a blatant elbow to the face that gave Wayne Simmonds a concussion. Harry Z should have been in the same camp.

Sure, I am a Flyers fan, so that puts me on one side of the issue. I'll admit to that - that said, I'm not screaming no suspension, just that actions in the NHL are suspended (or not suspended) on a completely arbitrary level. Shea Weber got nothin' for boarding in the first round of the playoffs last year. the accountability system is trash. 2 games makes sense, 1 may be too light, but 4 is far too harsh given the history of comparable actions.

Who rec'd 5 games this past week? Somebody did, yeah?
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#415 Nifty_Shark

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Posted 05 March 2013 - 03:38 PM

Well Kaleta got 5 games for yesterday or whenever that was. Hit from behind. Repeat offender.

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Posted 05 March 2013 - 05:30 PM

The Preds have been playing like complete shit the last week or so. Just getting dominated and taking bad losses. That team really needs a legit goal scorer. They're definitely only a playoff placeholder this year...if they even get in. Hoping for a good offseason.

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Posted 05 March 2013 - 06:08 PM

4 games for the Zolnierczyk is ridiculous. 2 games I can see, and would totally agree with, but 4 games really reinforces the arbitrary nature of NHL suspensions. Kronwall got zilch for the same kind of hit on Jakub Voracek last season, and James Neal (or was it Asham) got 1 game for headhunting two players in one game during the playoffs. Erskine (Caps) got 1 game, maybe 2, for a blatant elbow to the face that gave Wayne Simmonds a concussion. Harry Z should have been in the same camp.

Sure, I am a Flyers fan, so that puts me on one side of the issue. I'll admit to that - that said, I'm not screaming no suspension, just that actions in the NHL are suspended (or not suspended) on a completely arbitrary level. Shea Weber got nothin' for boarding in the first round of the playoffs last year. the accountability system is trash. 2 games makes sense, 1 may be too light, but 4 is far too harsh given the history of comparable actions.

Who rec'd 5 games this past week? Somebody did, yeah?


I think they let the bigger named players away with shit more than they do others. Sure they have have a limit, but that limit is even higher for them. I'm a Blues fan so I'm a bit on one side with things like yourself, but it seems like they have a lot of bullshit calls made one them that cost them the game. The call against Jackman at the end of the game for I think boarding. That was BS. It was a race for the puck for icing and instead they called that and put it at a 5 on 3 if I remember correctly. The Blues got lucking and were able to win.

However in the game against Detroit when Backes was called for the "hit to the head" that was at the end of the game and ended up costing them the game.

When Terasenko was hit and no call being made that was bullshit. if it was a big name player that was hit a call would have been made.

Against Dallas the other day the goal that was "kicked in" by the player that was brought up from the AHL. That rule now needs to be changed to state that even if the player is forced into a kicking motion by a player on the opposing it is still no goal. To me with him being kneed in the leg and forced into a kicking motion that should have been one of two things. It should have been a good goal or a penalty shot.

I have also seen the Blues be called for covering the puck with their hand that is now illegal however other teams have gotten by with it.

It could be just because I'm a Blues fan that I'm seeing this and that the officiating during Blues games is not as one sided as it some times seems to be.
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#418 NinjaPenguin777

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Posted 05 March 2013 - 06:08 PM

The Lightning are done. Lindback is pure shit. Awful trade there. Unfortunately they aren't in a good position. With Vinny and Marty's ages. Brewer and Salo aren't exactly young either. May just be time to blow up the team and keep only a few guys: Stamkos, Conacher, Hedman, Purcell, St. Louis and Vinny

Steve Yzerman hasn't been a very good GM. It amazes me that most teams can find goalies (even our old goalies succeed, Mike Smith), and yet, year in and year out, the Lightning cannot

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Posted 05 March 2013 - 06:09 PM

Hee hee. I can't remember the Preds ever having a legitimate goal scorer. Like the best you guys had for the last 5 years or so was Erat and JP Dumont, Fischer perhaps (I may be totally forgetting somebody)? Oh wait Radulov but that didn't work out and Foresberg was destroyed by injuries when he showed up for a few games. Shame. He's my favorite player and I was excited when he played against us but those ankles man...
Seriously has Nashville ever had a 40 goal scorer on their roster?

Oh looks like people have stormed back into the thread. My post was intended for n8rockerasu.

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That Backes phantom hit to the head was baffling. As a Wings fan I felt a little off after knowing it contributed to that game.

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#420 Vulcan2422

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Posted 05 March 2013 - 06:33 PM

The Lightning are done. Lindback is pure shit. Awful trade there. Unfortunately they aren't in a good position. With Vinny and Marty's ages. Brewer and Salo aren't exactly young either. May just be time to blow up the team and keep only a few guys: Stamkos, Conacher, Hedman, Purcell, St. Louis and Vinny

Steve Yzerman hasn't been a very good GM. It amazes me that most teams can find goalies (even our old goalies succeed, Mike Smith), and yet, year in and year out, the Lightning cannot



I agree. I saw they called up a goalie. It's a mix of poor goal tending and soft D. How Stamkos turned over that puck still makes me scratch my head from last night. I say rebuild the team as well. Keep Stammer, Pouliot, Vinny, St. Louis and Conacher. Honestly, Conacher can hang with the big boys and I see him and Stamkos being the future of the team. Maybe they also need a new goalie coach as well. Just rebuild the whole organization. Vinick has the cash to do it.

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