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#751 KillerRamen

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Posted 21 February 2013 - 10:18 PM

Playstation 4 will not support the DualShock 3.


Ah well... This isn't surprising, but it would have been nice. It is pretty cool that my Move Controllers will still work on the PS4. I also just noticed that the DS4 did away with the start and select buttons.

But the odds are that the added cost would be less than you could sell a PS3 for on Craigslist.

If not your point stands. But I'd still never have two generations of consoles from the same company hooked up as my home theater set up is already too crowded and out of HDMI ports etc.

From here on out I'll be one (if any) consoles so not being BC kills any chances of me every buying another console at launch since I always lag behind as I don't have the time or interest to keep up with AAA games as they come out.

Thus companies miss out on me paying launch prices for consoles, $60 for new games as I'm lagging behind and buying systms and games after price drops. Where as if there's BC I'll get the new console sooner to play some big AAA game I'm dying got play and thus they end up getting more money from me due to me buying the console sooner (fewer price drops) and buying more full price games due to having the system.


*Shrugs* I have a Top Loading NES, SNES Mini, Wii U, PS3, Xbox 360, Roku and Dreamcast currently hooked up to my TV. I'm working on my cable management so I can hook up my Genesis and GameCube. That would probably require me to move one of my wireless printers, but whatevs.

I also ran out of HDMI ports with the inclusion of the Wii U. I purchased a splitter and eventually I hope to get a new receiver with 4 HDMI inputs.

I understand the disappointment about a lack of backwards compatibility (I am too), but it had to be done. Sony listened to their developers and they went with a processor that the developers felt comfortable working with and that made the PS4 incompatible with the PS3. [The Wii U only works with Wii games because Nintendo decided to use the same basic architecture and I've yet to use it.]

I know backwards compatibility is a big deal for early adopters, but a year into it I seriously doubt most of those people will really find a need for it and a year and a half into it I can see there being a big enough library for everyone else.
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#752 dmaul1114

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Posted 21 February 2013 - 10:25 PM

*Shrugs* I have a Top Loading NES, SNES Mini, Wii U, PS3, Xbox 360, Roku and Dreamcast currently hooked up to my TV. I'm working on my cable management so I can hook up my Genesis and GameCube. That would probably require me to move one of my wireless printers, but whatevs.

I also ran out of HDMI ports with the inclusion of the Wii U. I purchased a splitter and eventually I hope to get a new receiver with 4 HDMI inputs.


Part of it is just personal preference. I'm older, have a fancy condo, and like a neat, clean look. And game consoles just look tacky due to the weird shapes etc. compared to BR players, DVRs etc. And my girlfriend who I'll probably move in with in the next year or so is even more particular on that stuff. So having a bunch of junk hooked up just isn't an option for us. Maybe it would be if I/we get a bigger place and I can set up a home theater room out of site and not have all that crap in the living room I guess.

For now I have a Bluray player, DirecTV DVR, PS3, 360 and Wii (need to just ditch it as I never touch it) hooked up. The first four eat up the 4 HDMI ports on my surround sound receiver. Wii is just component to the TV.

But I really want to just get down to having the BR player (don't like using a console for movies/streaming--extra wear and tear on more expensive hardware, noisy fans and drives etc.), one console and the DVR again as it looks better on the shelves and is a lot less cable clutter in the back.

#753 Jodou

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Posted 21 February 2013 - 10:29 PM

Playstation 4 will not support the DualShock 3.

Well there goes that theory. Sigh, I really hope they include options for gamers who don't want the fluff. I guess I should be happy they're not forcing a faux tablet on us like Nintendo did. . .

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#754 ItsJustJessi

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Posted 21 February 2013 - 10:37 PM

They've released more info about it:

youtube. com/watch?v=7OHGmjf4Yx0

#755 greenwolfe7

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Posted 21 February 2013 - 10:39 PM

So... all the ps+ stuff we got for free won't carry over huh... interesting Sony... very very interesting choice there... but then idk from the way they described it the other night it sounds like they intend both consoles to coexist for a time. So I guess ill have to keep both hooked up for awhile...

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Posted 21 February 2013 - 10:39 PM

Part of it is just personal preference. I'm older, have a fancy condo, and like a neat, clean look. And game consoles just look tacky due to the weird shapes etc. compared to BR players, DVRs etc. And my girlfriend who I'll probably move in with in the next year or so is even more particular on that stuff. So having a bunch of junk hooked up just isn't an option for us. Maybe it would be if I/we get a bigger place and I can set up a home theater room out of site and not have all that crap in the living room I guess.

For now I have a Bluray player, DirecTV DVR, PS3, 360 and Wii (need to just ditch it as I never touch it) hooked up. The first four eat up the 4 HDMI ports on my surround sound receiver. Wii is just component to the TV.

But I really want to just get down to having the BR player (don't like using a console for movies/streaming--extra wear and tear on more expensive hardware, noisy fans and drives etc.), one console and the DVR again as it looks better on the shelves and is a lot less cable clutter in the back.


Same situation here. I recently bought a house with my fiance. Although we have more space then in the condo there just isn't that much room in the entertainment center. I have the 360, PS3, AVR and SAT/DVR. Anymore consoles and things start looking cluttered. The Wii will be going in the office upstairs, unless I sell it or donate it first.
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#757 greenwolfe7

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Posted 21 February 2013 - 10:41 PM

They've released more info about it:

youtube. com/watch?v=7OHGmjf4Yx0


No they didn't its the same video from the con. last night.

#758 dmaul1114

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Posted 21 February 2013 - 10:49 PM

Did they mention whether the PS4 will work with regular remote controls?

Always annoyed me a bit that I couldn't use my harmony remote without buying an adapter. I really didn't use the PS3 much for anything but games since I already had a stand alone BR player long before getting a PS3, but I did use it to stream Amazon for a while (before getting a new BR player with apps) as I had problems with the 360 Amazon app, and it was annoying having to use the controller and not the remote.

Not a big deal either way, just curious. I always thought it stupid that they pushed Bluray so hard with the PS3 and didn't build in support for IR remotes since most people with home theaters have some type of universal remote to simplify things as it's such a hassle to manually change all the inputs on the tv and receiver etc.

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Posted 21 February 2013 - 10:50 PM

The funny thing is the 360 had such limited BC to start off with and as it stands now it doesn't seem like that big of a deal. It seems like it hurts more in the beginning of a lifecycle but people eventually move on. I guess the bigger issue is the digital content that can't be preserved...however I wouldn't be surprised if the streaming thing works out to some extent. It already feels as if gaming is becoming a service rather than a physical thing.

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Posted 21 February 2013 - 10:55 PM

They haven't commented at all on region-locking yet, have they? I'm assuming the PS4 will remain region-free like the PS3 and Vita. If that's the case, I hope they allow us to purchase digital imports with U.S. credit cards.

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#761 dmaul1114

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Posted 21 February 2013 - 11:06 PM

The funny thing is the 360 had such limited BC to start off with and as it stands now it doesn't seem like that big of a deal. It seems like it hurts more in the beginning of a lifecycle but people eventually move on.


Yeah, for most people it's moot once they've caught up on their last gen back log.

Just probably costs them some money from people who don't buy after a price drop or two as they want to finish their current gen stuff first. Where some would probably just trade the old console in and play that backlog on the new machine if it had BC, while also buying some new games at $60.

#762 spatenfloot

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Posted 22 February 2013 - 12:09 AM

I'm very worried that Sony & MS could run into the same lukewarm reception that the Wii U is currently enduring. The fact that the Wii U offers backwards compatibility for Wii titles hasn't seemed to have helped their sales though.


Maybe because Wii games are mostly crappy.

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Posted 22 February 2013 - 12:15 AM

To clarify the above: The point of me saying that I don't regret selling my Vita was because I feel that without a price drop others won't buy the Vita. If others don't buy the Vita we're never going to get more games for it, which sucks. No future games = me not regretting selling my Vita and leaves me with no intention of buying another.


I'll be enjoying Soul Sacrifice and Tearaway. Plus more playthroughs of P4.

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Posted 22 February 2013 - 12:21 AM

Yeah, for most people it's moot once they've caught up on their last gen back log.

Just probably costs them some money from people who don't buy after a price drop or two as they want to finish their current gen stuff first. Where some would probably just trade the old console in and play that backlog on the new machine if it had BC, while also buying some new games at $60.

Let's be honest here... how many people fighting the backlog monster are actually buying games at $60???

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Posted 22 February 2013 - 12:27 AM

I just realized something... a new playstation that can't play old PS3 games (in the traditional sense) might be a bit of a kiss of death for Dust 514. Seems like a bit of a waste to spend so much time creating a long-term online shooter only to have it marginalized by a new system months after launch.

#766 spatenfloot

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Posted 22 February 2013 - 12:28 AM

Seems pointless to get all worked up about BC and psn purchases until Sony releases the details of Gakai and so forth. Save the arguments until after E3 when we actually know something.

#767 KillerRamen

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Posted 22 February 2013 - 12:30 AM

Part of it is just personal preference. I'm older, have a fancy condo, and like a neat, clean look. And game consoles just look tacky due to the weird shapes etc. compared to BR players, DVRs etc. And my girlfriend who I'll probably move in with in the next year or so is even more particular on that stuff. So having a bunch of junk hooked up just isn't an option for us. Maybe it would be if I/we get a bigger place and I can set up a home theater room out of site and not have all that crap in the living room I guess.

For now I have a Bluray player, DirecTV DVR, PS3, 360 and Wii (need to just ditch it as I never touch it) hooked up. The first four eat up the 4 HDMI ports on my surround sound receiver. Wii is just component to the TV.

But I really want to just get down to having the BR player (don't like using a console for movies/streaming--extra wear and tear on more expensive hardware, noisy fans and drives etc.), one console and the DVR again as it looks better on the shelves and is a lot less cable clutter in the back.


I can see that. It's taken me quite a while to get all of my cables organized and I'm still not done. The number of velcro ties I'm using is just ridiculous, but it does look quite neat. I've already set an HDMI cable aside for my OUYA, so at least I won't have to redo anything for a while. I've also found that those one foot extension cables to be a life saver. They're so much nicer to use for those stupid power blocks.
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Posted 22 February 2013 - 01:42 AM

Im super hyped for PS4.. i can get a guess at the color palete of the system from the controller which i think looks really good(i want it in my hands now)) I know our ps store purchases will stay on the psn history since it shows on my vita all quick. So im guessing we will still have our psn games that we bought.

Now i just need to start saving some mula..Good show by Sony , they're playing it smart by not fully unloading all details. I can imagine using the controller's touchpad to shoot with precision on fifa/nhl when you are wide open and not rushed to use analog shot. Love it.

#769 htz

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Posted 22 February 2013 - 02:58 AM

I just realized something... a new playstation that can't play old PS3 games (in the traditional sense) might be a bit of a kiss of death for Dust 514. Seems like a bit of a waste to spend so much time creating a long-term online shooter only to have it marginalized by a new system months after launch.

You act like the PS3 is going to die when the PS4 is going to be released. Production for the PS2 didn't end until a month or so ago. The PS3 is still above $200, it will have a long life ahead of it, maybe even longer than the PS2.

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Posted 22 February 2013 - 03:27 AM

Fair enough however in your example you own a physical copy of the software or have access to a digital copy (in theory for "perpetuity"). The problem with PSN games is that once Sony/M$ decide to stop support for the PS3 and shut down the servers we are SOL. What happens a few years down the road when I need to redownload one of these PSN games? Will Sony/M$ continue to support these products? In other words will we have access to their product over the next 10 or 20 years.

I want to know this before I continue to buy PSN or Xbla games.

I imagine they will work it like the PSP's store system. You log on and have the same download list, but anything for PS3 is greyed out and not downloadable. So I would imagine you would have the same account, the same download list, but PS4 items would be not-selectable when logging onto your account with your PS3 and vice versa.

Probably don't want to support the dual shock 3 to force people to buy the (what is sure to be) HIDEOUSLY expensive controllers, as you could still use the DS3 to play the theoretical gatakai streamed PS1, PS2, and PS3 games. Aren't there going to be problems on games that use a select and start button?

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Posted 22 February 2013 - 03:32 AM

So I am not sure what has been said about used games in this thread but I guess it is not an open and shut case like some have thought. Looks like used games will be playable on the PS4 but that Sony is still in the process of implementing things to maybe make money from it. Read this article for those interested. Here is the Updated statement from Sony to Game Informer.

"Update: This is the statement Sony gave Game Informer, in a story also released today:

“We are just now announcing the basic vision and strategy of PS4 and will have more information to share regarding used games later this year. But PlayStation has a long history of keeping its gamers happy and we won’t make decisions that damage our relationship with them.”

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Posted 22 February 2013 - 03:58 AM

I'll be enjoying Soul Sacrifice and Tearaway. Plus more playthroughs of P4.


As will i. Seriously reminds me of those morons that were trying to unload vitas about 2 months after the thing was out cause they werent getting 50 AAA titles and were to lazy to look at a release schedule to see if the games coming out in the future interest them or not.

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Posted 22 February 2013 - 04:09 AM

So I am not sure what has been said about used games in this thread but I guess it is not an open and shut case like some have thought. Looks like used games will be playable on the PS4 but that Sony is still in the process of implementing things to maybe make money from it. Read this article for those interested. Here is the Updated statement from Sony to Game Informer.

"Update: This is the statement Sony gave Game Informer, in a story also released today:

“We are just now announcing the basic vision and strategy of PS4 and will have more information to share regarding used games later this year. But PlayStation has a long history of keeping its gamers happy and we won’t make decisions that damage our relationship with them.”

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#774 dmaul1114

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Posted 22 February 2013 - 05:50 AM

Let's be honest here... how many people fighting the backlog monster are actually buying games at $60???


Fair point in the large scale. Though I still do as there are things like gears, mass effect etc that I want to play day one and will drop everything else to play right away. Most of my backlog is stuff I just got on the cheap that I'm not super excited to play. Largely ps3 stuff I got cheap when locked out of my live account for months last fall/winter when it got hacked and migrated to Russia. Some are things I definitely want to play (Uncharted 2 and 3 as I loved the first, Killzone 2 and 3 as I love shooters), others are things like Infamous and some PS+ freebies that I may never get around to.

I'll stick with my one console only and only buying games to play immediately plan next go around. I was a happier gamer the couple years I did that this gen vs. now where I have a backlog of stuff I'm mostly lukewarm on playing. So next gen I'll be buying fewer games overall, but likely buying more $60 games once I get caught up.

I can see that. It's taken me quite a while to get all of my cables organized and I'm still not done. The number of velcro ties I'm using is just ridiculous, but it does look quite neat. I've already set an HDMI cable aside for my OUYA, so at least I won't have to redo anything for a while. I've also found that those one foot extension cables to be a life saver. They're so much nicer to use for those stupid power blocks.


It's not so much the cables as it is consoles looking crappy all cluttered up on the TV stand shelves since it's in the living room. Cables aren't as bad now since most things are just power cord and hdmi cable to the receiver.

If consoles didn't run so damn hot I'd get an enclosed stand where I could just keep doors shut.

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#775 Indiana

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Posted 22 February 2013 - 02:01 PM

Let's be honest here... how many people fighting the backlog monster are actually buying games at $60???


You make a good point. I made an exception when the 360 came out and purchased several because there were so few discounts. However for the most part being a CAG means buying lots of games for less and not paying full price. The hardest part is when the PS4 / Xbox Next release seeing all those new shiny games and delaying that first purchase.

#776 htz

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Posted 22 February 2013 - 02:02 PM

You make a good point. I made an exception when the 360 came out and purchased several because there were so few discounts. However for the most part being a CAG means buying lots of games for less and not paying full price.

Speaking of the cost of games. Jack Tretton confirmed PS4 games will range from $0.99 - $60.

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Posted 22 February 2013 - 02:07 PM

You act like the PS3 is going to die when the PS4 is going to be released. Production for the PS2 didn't end until a month or so ago. The PS3 is still above $200, it will have a long life ahead of it, maybe even longer than the PS2.


It won't be longer than the PS2 the PS2 lived so well because it sold more consoles than the others. The PS2 was destroying the Xbox in system sales it's one of the reason that Microsoft moved on to the 360 before Sony.

#778 dmaul1114

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Posted 22 February 2013 - 02:08 PM

Aren't there going to be problems on games that use a select and start button?


I'd guess that the share feature won't work on those games so they just use that button as start or select.

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Posted 22 February 2013 - 02:30 PM

Probably don't want to support the dual shock 3 to force people to buy the (what is sure to be) HIDEOUSLY expensive controllers, as you could still use the DS3 to play the theoretical gatakai streamed PS1, PS2, and PS3 games. Aren't there going to be problems on games that use a select and start button?


Some of the mockups for the PS4 controller had virtual buttons for Start & Select located at the bottom of the touchpad area.

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I wish they had done the same for the Share button. Clearly they wanted to represent the importance of sharing on the new controller. I'd rather they had made that a virtual button as well in a small attempt at simplifying the controller and keeping the cost down. Even listing the Share feature an option when you pushed the Playstation button would have worked. Hopefully this controller won't super expensive, but I'm expecting at least a $60 price point.

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Posted 22 February 2013 - 02:45 PM

It's not so much the cables as it is consoles looking crappy all cluttered up on the TV stand shelves since it's in the living room. Cables aren't as bad now since most things are just power cord and hdmi cable to the receiver.

If consoles didn't run so damn hot I'd get an enclosed stand where I could just keep doors shut.


I have enclosed furniture (two young kids), and it's never been a problem. The back is open. On rare occasions where I feel like it might get too hot, I open the door for whatever console I'm using just while I'm using it.