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CAGcast #327: The E3 2013 Authentication Free, Digital Deluxe Edition

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#31 AriesDog

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Posted 21 June 2013 - 01:22 AM

Surprised you guys didn't discuss the alleged anonymous Xbox One engineer (seems legit) who posted on Pastebin. It got a lot of press. 

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Posted 21 June 2013 - 01:34 AM

Show 327 Notes:

2:15 Mary Coleman
4:00 Show feedback
4:00 - E3, audioboos
6:15 E3 general thoughts
14:30 Watch this: Man of Steel
19:30 Wear this: E3 T-shirt reviews
20:00 Xbox One
39:00 Any publisher perks for Xbox drm?
42:45 Mandatory kinect
46:45 New Releases
46:45 - Last of Us
51:45 - WiiU Luigi addon for SMB
52:15 - D&D Chronicles of Mystara
53:15 - Picross 3DS
53:30 - Magrunner
55:00 Marvel Heroes
1:02:00 Animal Crossing
1:06:30 Bike Baron
1:07:45 Cagbag
1:07:45 - New Cag site
1:09:00 - Suicide Squad movie
1:10:30 - Planning for Mary Coleman
1:12:30 - Best E3 swag
1:14:15 - Diablo III on 360
1:14:00 - New console sale stats on release

1:17:00 E3 Audioboos
1:17:00 Xbox press conference

1:44:00 Playstation press conference

 

1:58:00 Day 1
1:59:00 - WiiU. Smash Bros., Nintendo Direct
2:02:30 - Bayonetta 2, Donkey Kong Country, Mario
2:04:00 - Scribblenauts DC
2:06:15 - Eve Online, eVR/Oculus Rift
2:09:30 - Disney Infinity
2:11:30 - Fantasia
2:13:15 Square-Enix
2:13:15 - Thief
2:15:30 Xb1 controller/ Crimson Dragon
2:17:40 PS4 controller/ Pinball Hall of Fame
2:18:45 Octodad
2:20:00 Ninja Gaiden Z
2:20:15 Ripd (sp?)

2:24:30 Day 2
2:25:15 Hauppage
2:26:15 Sherlock Holmes
2:28:00 Retron 5
2:29:30 Nvidia Shield
2:34:00 Saint's Row IV
2:36:00 Lego Marvel
2:39:00 Mobile Halo game

2:40:15 Day 3
2:40:45 Skylanders Swapforce
2:42:00 Call of Duty: Ghosts
2:43:45 Destiny
2:45:30 Diablo III
2:48:15 Sonic: Lost World
2:48:45 Mickey Mouse Castle of Illusion
2:49:49 PvZ Garden Warfare
2:50:30 Need FOr Speed: Rivals
2:53:15 Titanfall
2:56:00 Wolfenstein
2:57:15 The Evil Within
3:00:00 Elder Scrolls Online
3:01:00 Divekick
3:01:15 Batman: Arkham Origins
3:01:45 Rise
3:03:00 Game of Show



#33 chicagocubsfan

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Posted 21 June 2013 - 02:47 AM

Shipwreck you don't have to sneak around so much in The Last of US if you look around and craft.


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#34 Jackovasaurus

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Posted 21 June 2013 - 03:20 AM

I thought Cheapy came off as a little uppity when he was talking about going to see Man of Steel. Particularly the part where he found it weird that the audience was laughing at lame jokes in the trailers. News Flash: People go to the movies to have a good time, and to be entertained. Maybe you should take a break from watching so many depressing ass documentaries, and then you can laugh at the lame jokes every once in a while.

 

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#35 DQT

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Posted 21 June 2013 - 04:33 AM

"Gamer's rights" apply to those who live in their parents' basements.  We whine about how Microsoft or EA is screwing us over, but when some other company in some other field is screwing us over in food, environment, education, etc, we'll gladly ignore those and tolerate it with a grin in our face.

 

Guys, did you think "Man of Steel" was worse than Green Lantern?  That's what one blogger I read said.

 

Wish I could like this 1000x. The last game I bought from EA, the supposed "worst company in America" was the Sims 1 Livin' Large Expansion pack. Even if the Xbox One continued to launch with it's draconian policies, nobody will lose their homes, breathe dirtier air, or have their savings used to invest in sketchy (derivatives) bets because of it. Next generation consoles are luxury items. Worse comes to worse, I can find a way to live without one.



#36 apathylad

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Posted 21 June 2013 - 07:16 AM

Without spoiling it, Iron Man 3 went in some goofy directions, so Man of Steel trying to be a serious film was a nice contrast, even though I still had problems with it. 



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Posted 21 June 2013 - 01:17 PM

What really irks me (and irked me before) are the Sony fan boys saying Sony dropped bombs at E3. Did Sony not state that it was letting DRM up to the publishers?

 

So if Sony 'dropped a bomb' it seems like Microsoft 'dropped a bomb' by saying there will now be no limitation. So now what, is Sony going to come back and say they too will now have no limitation? Or is it still up to the publishers?

 

By the way, I think this is all bogus, I'm just saying this because of the hundreds of times I've heard Sony fan boys talking about the bombs being dropped.



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Posted 21 June 2013 - 01:37 PM

Unfortunately, people who stockpiled MS Points are a tiny minority who MS can get away with screwing over.  I stopped maintaining a Points balance of over 100 because of all the Xbox Live accounts that got stolen, and I only have one 800 Point card left to redeem.  But I do feel bad for people in your situation.  The one year time limit sucks.

 

I fear you are correct. But I'd still be interested in the discussion at least. I never imagined that MS would suddenly slap an expiration date on your funds, after so long supporting points that "never expire". It really does leave a bitter taste in my mouth. It's not like they'd have to do extra coding to let points stay around. They obviously went out of their way to make sure that they would expire.

 

The question is, why?  :-k




#39 Jackovasaurus

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Posted 21 June 2013 - 01:37 PM

What really irks me (and irked me before) are the Sony fan boys saying Sony dropped bombs at E3. Did Sony not state that it was letting DRM up to the publishers?

 

So if Sony 'dropped a bomb' it seems like Microsoft 'dropped a bomb' by saying there will now be no limitation. So now what, is Sony going to come back and say they too will now have no limitation? Or is it still up to the publishers?

 

By the way, I think this is all bogus, I'm just saying this because of the hundreds of times I've heard Sony fan boys talking about the bombs being dropped.

There's a big difference in have DRM on a system level, and leaving DRM up to pubs. Of course they dropped bombs. No online required, $100 cheaper, Used games are allowed. You don't have to be a Sony fanboy to recognize these revelations as bombs. Now both Microsoft and Sony are sorta on a level playing field again by leaving DRM up to pubs. It's better than having them on a system level, that's all you gotta know.


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Posted 21 June 2013 - 02:02 PM

 

Unfortunately, people who stockpiled MS Points are a tiny minority who MS can get away with screwing over.  I stopped maintaining a Points balance of over 100 because of all the Xbox Live accounts that got stolen, and I only have one 800 Point card left to redeem.  But I do feel bad for people in your situation.  The one year time limit sucks.

 

I fear you are correct. But I'd still be interested in the discussion at least. I never imagined that MS would suddenly slap an expiration date on your funds, after so long supporting points that "never expire". It really does leave a bitter taste in my mouth. It's not like they'd have to do extra coding to let points stay around. They obviously went out of their way to make sure that they would expire.

 

The question is, why?  :-k

 

 

Silly question, what are you stockpiling the points for? Why not spend some of them on some of great games that are out now, like Blood Dragon?

 

Personally I have like 40 bucks in points, part me wants to save them for my Xbox One and use them to buy my first game on the system.



#41 AriesDog

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Posted 21 June 2013 - 02:41 PM

Screw you, Cheapy. Just because a mobile game isn't coming out on your precious Apple devices doesn't mean that the listeners weren't interested in hearing Wombat's impressions of Halo: Spartan Ops. Dick move shutting him up.

#42 guardian_owl

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Posted 21 June 2013 - 02:44 PM

 

 

Unfortunately, people who stockpiled MS Points are a tiny minority who MS can get away with screwing over.  I stopped maintaining a Points balance of over 100 because of all the Xbox Live accounts that got stolen, and I only have one 800 Point card left to redeem.  But I do feel bad for people in your situation.  The one year time limit sucks.

 

I fear you are correct. But I'd still be interested in the discussion at least. I never imagined that MS would suddenly slap an expiration date on your funds, after so long supporting points that "never expire". It really does leave a bitter taste in my mouth. It's not like they'd have to do extra coding to let points stay around. They obviously went out of their way to make sure that they would expire.

 

The question is, why?  :-k

 

 

Silly question, what are you stockpiling the points for? Why not spend some of them on some of great games that are out now, like Blood Dragon?

 

Personally I have like 40 bucks in points, part me wants to save them for my Xbox One and use them to buy my first game on the system.

He probably only spends them on items that are on sale, I know I will pick up blood dragon eventually, but my backlog is big enough that I have no reason to pay full MSRP for it.


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Posted 21 June 2013 - 02:49 PM

 

He probably only spends them on items that are on sale, I know I will pick up blood dragon eventually, but my backlog is big enough that I have no reason to pay full MSRP for it.

 

 

Sure, I get that, but why stockpile points then? If you bought the points on sale, then you already getting the game "on sale". Are you waiting for a good game to on double sale?



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Posted 21 June 2013 - 02:52 PM

 

 

Unfortunately, people who stockpiled MS Points are a tiny minority who MS can get away with screwing over.  I stopped maintaining a Points balance of over 100 because of all the Xbox Live accounts that got stolen, and I only have one 800 Point card left to redeem.  But I do feel bad for people in your situation.  The one year time limit sucks.

 

I fear you are correct. But I'd still be interested in the discussion at least. I never imagined that MS would suddenly slap an expiration date on your funds, after so long supporting points that "never expire". It really does leave a bitter taste in my mouth. It's not like they'd have to do extra coding to let points stay around. They obviously went out of their way to make sure that they would expire.

 

The question is, why?  :-k

 

 

Silly question, what are you stockpiling the points for? Why not spend some of them on some of great games that are out now, like Blood Dragon?

 

Personally I have like 40 bucks in points, part me wants to save them for my Xbox One and use them to buy my first game on the system.

 

The only thing I can think of is just sales on points are more and more frequent.



#45 guardian_owl

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Posted 21 June 2013 - 03:05 PM

 

 

He probably only spends them on items that are on sale, I know I will pick up blood dragon eventually, but my backlog is big enough that I have no reason to pay full MSRP for it.

 

 

Sure, I get that, but why stockpile points then? If you bought the points on sale, then you already getting the game "on sale". Are you waiting for a good game to on double sale?

It's CAG, of course we want that sweet, sweet double sale action for maximum save-ge. That's basically what I do, I stock up on PSN cards whenever they are offered at a decent discount (which isn't nearly as often as Xbox point cards since they are $ value, not funny money) and then buy games and DLC as they go on sale. Based on how much more frequently points go on sale I could see how it would be pretty easy for one to accumulate quite a stockpile even if they were making regular purchases. Up until now there has been little disincentive not to stockpile as one would be able to use them eventually since they never expired.


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Posted 21 June 2013 - 03:50 PM

I gotta agree with Wombat.  Don't talk to homeless people unless you are actually going to give them money.

 

And I chuckled when Shipwreck said Sony wasn't compenent enough to issue firmware updates without bricking consoles, like Microsoft has never done that.

 

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#47 shipwreck

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Posted 21 June 2013 - 04:41 PM

I gotta agree with Wombat. Don't talk to homeless people unless you are actually going to give them money.

And I chuckled when Shipwreck said Sony wasn't compenent enough to issue firmware updates without bricking consoles, like Microsoft has never done that.

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Posted 21 June 2013 - 04:50 PM

In response to Cheapy's comment about the Kinect, I agree that it's better to pack accessories in with the system or it never has a fighting chance.  The Nintendo R.O.B., Power Glove, Super Scope, N64 RAM pack, etc. are proof of this.  I don't really want another Kinect at this point, but at least this gives it the best chance of being used.

 

I think Sony's move to leave out the Eye Camera was pretty well calculated.  They can undercut the price of the Xbox One, possibly cause developers to underutilize the camera for multi-platform games, and if they're wrong and motion games take off again, it's only a $60 accessory for PS4.

 

Lastly, the more I look at the release lists for all the systems, the more it looks like Nintendo could actually move a few Wii U's if they could get some of their big titles out before Christmas.  Almost every big PS4 and Xbox One title shown is a 2014 release.  After the novelty of the few launch games wears off, people are going to want something new to play no matter how tall their backlog stack is.



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Posted 21 June 2013 - 05:13 PM

 

I gotta agree with Wombat. Don't talk to homeless people unless you are actually going to give them money.

And I chuckled when Shipwreck said Sony wasn't compenent enough to issue firmware updates without bricking consoles, like Microsoft has never done that.

http://www.pcworld.c...kes_amends.html


You'd hate the story about how I walked 5 blocks talking to a homeless man in Chicago one time. I did end up buying him a meal from Wendy's though.

 

 

I love that story; I would be too nervous to do that myself.  I'm from New Zealand where we don't have the same type of homeless epidemic you see in big American cities, so I find it really depressing especially in places like Baltimore and Philadelphia.  Sometimes I will give them money, but if I'm not going to do that I just want to get past them in a hurry.


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Posted 21 June 2013 - 05:27 PM

Last week, the Amazon Video Games store made history with its biggest pre-order week ever thanks to the launch of the Xbox One and PlayStation 4. In fact, at the peak of demand last week, Amazon customers were pre-ordering more than 2,500 Xbox One and PlayStation 4 consoles per minute. In addition: · The E3 week pre-orders of the two wildly-anticipated gaming consoles brought a year-over-year increase in orders of more than 4,000%, compared to consoles ordered during E3 week last year · Day-one pre-orders for the two consoles was nearly two times that of all video games sales on Black Friday last year (2012)

 

Cheapy D must be making some nice dough...



#51 ZombieJeebus

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Posted 21 June 2013 - 10:19 PM

Cheapy was right again, the new white background is pretty nice.  :)


 

 

He probably only spends them on items that are on sale, I know I will pick up blood dragon eventually, but my backlog is big enough that I have no reason to pay full MSRP for it.

 

 

Sure, I get that, but why stockpile points then? If you bought the points on sale, then you already getting the game "on sale". Are you waiting for a good game to on double sale?

 

I know quite a few people that have thousands of points, that they got off ebay from some dude in Eastern Europe.  I don't feel sorry for them in the least if they don't use them fast enough. 


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#52 joyce_181502

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Posted 21 June 2013 - 10:23 PM

I guess you can listen to Wombat's other podcast, Uninformed Opinions.

 

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Posted 21 June 2013 - 11:32 PM

I was wondering if you guys would talk about Microsoft's new plan to convert MSP over to actual local currency, specifically that any converted values will be subject to a one year expiration. I know a lot of people on here have stockpiled points (myself included) and I am pretty concerned about it.

 

What motivation could they possibly have to do this other than just greed?!

 

The terms for Microsoft Points already say that they are not worth any real money.  They are also tracked and already expire one year after the code is entered.

 

So they aren't really changing anything and due to the terms of using them, they don't actually have to give you any monetary value for them.

 

... just sayin'



#54 MrGoodbye

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Posted 22 June 2013 - 01:33 AM

All dat E3 swag.

Also, Marvel Heroes is not in beta anymore. It's the final game. And each of the bundle packs are $85. Ouch.

Did the prices go up?  When I was looking into packs, it was $20 for 1 character + 1 extra costume + plus in game currency to buy another non-popular character.  $60 gave you 4 character + extra costumes + plus in game currency.  Considering that Diablo 3 launched at $60 and you get only 4 characters, the $60 pack for MH is a good deal.  Also, at the $60 pack, you get to choose from several packs with different characters.

Disclaimer: I play both Diablo 3 and Marvel Heroes.


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http://devfodder.blo...-used-game.html

 

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Posted 22 June 2013 - 03:48 AM

I thought Cheapy came off as a little uppity when he was talking about going to see Man of Steel. Particularly the part where he found it weird that the audience was laughing at lame jokes in the trailers. News Flash: People go to the movies to have a good time, and to be entertained. Maybe you should take a break from watching so many depressing ass documentaries, and then you can laugh at the lame jokes every once in a while.

 

Nonetheless, another great show, gang!

 

Seriously, people laugh at dumb/lame jokes all the time.  Afterall, people listen to this show.


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#56 Jackovasaurus

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Posted 22 June 2013 - 04:11 AM

I thought Cheapy came off as a little uppity when he was talking about going to see Man of Steel. Particularly the part where he found it weird that the audience was laughing at lame jokes in the trailers. News Flash: People go to the movies to have a good time, and to be entertained. Maybe you should take a break from watching so many depressing ass documentaries, and then you can laugh at the lame jokes every once in a while.
 
Nonetheless, another great show, gang!

 
Seriously, people laugh at dumb/lame jokes all the time.  Afterall, people listen to this show.

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Posted 22 June 2013 - 07:01 AM

Might not need Kinect at all.

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Posted 22 June 2013 - 12:39 PM

Wombat received too much slack for collecting swag. What's the point of swag other than to be taken. The publishers budgeted money to have t-shirts and other stuff made and given away for free. Instead of Wombat possibly buying a game used or waiting for it to go down in price, he may buy it day one because of the awesome free swag he got. (Excluding the sheer Disney Infinity tee, he received. But sounds like an excellent t-shirt if Wombat wants to win a Wet T-shirt Contest at Jones Beach this summer.

Also, what's the big deal with Wombat getting giddy over scratch-offs. Don't we know other than baseball and apple pie, scratch-offs are America's favorite pastime. Don't fault Wombat for being a true American like me and enjoying the chance to win! wiN! wIN! WIN!

Wombats continue to fight for you consumer rights to free swag.

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Posted 22 June 2013 - 02:46 PM

Time stamp 23:40 - Does Cheapy honestly believe that Microsoft simply tried to make a product that gamers would like, but that they are now listening to the complaints and changing? His sarcastic diatribe stank of Microsoft apologism to a disgusting degree.

 

Ok Cheapy, so these "regular people like you and me who have a job to do and go to an office everyday" thought that us gamers would just love to not be able to play used games? Oh yea, we all just love that. Wow sarcasm is fun. 

 

Please tell me about the Microsoft meetings where someone brought up the complete elimination of used games, and how that somehow HELPS or IMPROVES any gamers' experience. Please tell me how that makes their product better. Please tell me how that makes any part of my gaming experience better. 

 

Heres a comically extreme analogy to your ridiculous comments; if a political party or candidate came out and announced that they have a new plan to exterminate everyone named David, but then noticed an enthusiastic protest to that statement, and then recanted, saying; ok we wont kill all the Davids, would your faith in that candidate be fully restored? I think not. 

 

We cannot just simply forget that Microsoft truly did try to destroy a facet of gaming and gaming economics that someone like me truly appreciates and enjoys. The dead horse is beaten, but the bottom line is that I am not alone when I say that if I knew I could not freely trade in my used games, that I would simply buy far less games to begin with. I will not purchase the Xbox One accordingly. Microsoft's attitude offended me, and they have some serious ground to make up before I would even consider purchasing their product.



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Posted 22 June 2013 - 03:57 PM

Time stamp 23:40 - Does Cheapy honestly believe that Microsoft simply tried to make a product that gamers would like, but that they are now listening to the complaints and changing? His sarcastic diatribe stank of Microsoft apologism to a disgusting degree.

 

Ok Cheapy, so these "regular people like you and me who have a job to do and go to an office everyday" thought that us gamers would just love to not be able to play used games? Oh yea, we all just love that. Wow sarcasm is fun. 

 

Please tell me about the Microsoft meetings where someone brought up the complete elimination of used games, and how that somehow HELPS or IMPROVES any gamers' experience. Please tell me how that makes their product better. Please tell me how that makes any part of my gaming experience better. 

 

Heres a comically extreme analogy to your ridiculous comments; if a political party or candidate came out and announced that they have a new plan to exterminate everyone named David, but then noticed an enthusiastic protest to that statement, and then recanted, saying; ok we wont kill all the Davids, would your faith in that candidate be fully restored? I think not. 

 

We cannot just simply forget that Microsoft truly did try to destroy a facet of gaming and gaming economics that someone like me truly appreciates and enjoys. The dead horse is beaten, but the bottom line is that I am not alone when I say that if I knew I could not freely trade in my used games, that I would simply buy far less games to begin with. I will not purchase the Xbox One accordingly. Microsoft's attitude offended me, and they have some serious ground to make up before I would even consider purchasing their product.

 

Dude, I think you might need to get some sleep. It is going to be OK. Buy your Sony PS4 and forget all about this, but again more importantly please get some sleep.







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