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Trading/Feedback Rules/Guidelines - ALL CAGs MUST READ - UPDATED 6/17/2014


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#1 CaseyRyback

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Posted 02 November 2005 - 09:48 PM

Read the CAG Guide to Trading and Selling. This is also part of the FAQ found via the FAQ button at the top of every forum page. Chock full of great tips and best practices for making your trading at CAG as enjoyable as possible. Every CAGer is strongly encouraged to read the entire guide before beginning to trade, buy, or sell.

STOP! Have you really read the Trading FAQ? If not just go do it.

Questions on these guidelines, the trading FAQ, or trading in general may be PMed to a mod or asked right in this thread.

Please note that there is a new set of Feedback Rules and Guides below:

  • You trade on CAG at your own risk. If you think you are getting a deal that is too good to be true, it probably is - especially if you are supposed to ship first. Don't risk it.
  • CAG Feedback is the most important safeguard against being scammed in a trade here at CAG. Each trader has their own policies, but in general the CAG with less feedback should send first in any trade. If you are a new (0 FB) trader EXPECT that you'll have to send your item first for your first several trades on this site. ONLY take CAG FB into account when determining if you should pay or send first to another trader. The vast majority of true problems that arise here (thankfully infrequently) occur when someone pays or sends first to a CAG with 0 or very low FB. If you have 0 FB yourself, get your feet wet with an experienced CAG trader. In the end, remember rule #1.
  • You must be a registered member for 30 days before posting a new thread to this forum. Before then the system will redirect you to an access denied page if you try to create a new thread.
  • CAGs may be placed in Trading Time Out by the mods due to various issues. Continuing to trade while in Time Out - other than to fix outstanding problems or complete trades already outstanding - is a bannable offense. Any CAG in TTO will have the custom rank of "Trading Time Out - Rule Violation" or "Trading Time Out - Under Investigation" which will appear under their username under any post and on their profile page. The first category is for people who break rules, such as the below point. The second is for users that have received complaints or are suspected scammers.
  • No multiple tradelists. One topic per user. If you haven't posted in your tradelist in a long time, you can make a new one. However, creating new TL's every 1 or 2 weeks is not acceptable. There's no need for "single purpose TL's - if there are new things FT/FS/WTB, please add them to the existing TL. Repeated violation of this rule will result in loss of Trading Forum privileges.
  • Your topic title needs to be informative, explaining what's in the thread for sale/trade/buy. Make it a quick summary, and go into detail in the OP of the thread. Please stop with all the attention grabbing stuff. For ideas of how this should be, please look at topics in the deals section.
  • No threadcrapping in TL's. If someone has a question or concern about pricing in a TL, please take it directly to the OP of the TL. Threadcrap, as well as insult posts will be looked at seriously. If you don't like someone's prices, don't comment.
  • (10/14/11) Do not bump a thread more than three times a day. Seeing that several users have taken to abusing the apparently vague bumping rules, they have been clarified to clear up any confusion.
    Effective immediately:
    • Three personal bumps are allowed each day. This has and will always be the rule.
    • "Free bumps" are no longer allowed, as well as bump swapping. The only exception to this would be a legitimate inquiry to an item on the list. The OP has the option to respond in-thread at the expense of one of their personal bumps, or to respond via PM. Details pertaining to the trade deal are to be carried out via PM, and NOT in-thread.
    • Repeat bumpers will not be tolerated. What are repeat bumpers? Repeat bumpers are members that drop by in the same trade lists rather frequently and bump a thread. Repeat violators will face silencing
    • No off-topic conversations or posts.
  • Instead of making items as *gone* or using the strikethru function - just delete the item from your tradelist. It will still show up in the CAG search, and people looking for the game don't need to see that you traded it away already. No real reason to keep a game listed if its not available. PENDING is fine, however. On the same note - try to refrain from listing your entire game collection or items you have no intention of trading away. Again, this is because the CAG search will pick these up and cause headaches for users trying to locate a copy of a certain item.
  • The following items are not for sale, trade or purchase on CAG:

* Modded consoles and console mods of any type. This rule includes other electronics as well, such as an Itouch or IPhone. This is not up for discussion.
* Software such as HDLoader, HDAdvance and the like, due to the possible illegal uses that such applications can be used for. This is not up for discussion.
* Freeloaders, or any other software that allows for the playing of import games, which is beyond the scope of the functionality of the console.
* MP3 players with MP3's preloaded. Unless original copies of the CD's containing the MP3's are included with the MP3 player, all MP3's must be removed from the MP3 player before sale. If the MP3's were purchased directly from a online store, they're normally attached to the person buying the songs, not the device. Obviously, this might vary for the online service in question, though it's more likely than not that it's attached to the person and not the device.
* Burned/backup copies/illegal copies of games, which include CD, DVD and cartridge-based media. This is not up for discussion.
* Pornography (this included hentai), or any other items that have age-restrictions, such as cigarettes or alcohol. There are users under the age of 18 on CAG, so this can't be allowed. This is not up for discussion.
* Flash carts for systems (GBA, etc....) / flash-based "backup" devices . These can be used to make illegal copies of cartridges.
* Emulators. These have obvious uses that require non-legal ways to use them.
* Alphas/Betas for games. Most TOS's/EULA's for the beta say that the beta discs can't be sold/given away, during the beta or after the beta has expired. Depends on the terms of the EULA/TOS for the beta, though if planning to sell/trade them on CAG, please provide a copy of the EULA/TOS that explains thet can be sold. Without that proof, betas can't be sold.
* Stolen merchandise. Not that it's expected that anyone would admit to selling stolen merchandise on CAG, it's not allowed. This is not up for discussion.
* MMORPG's that disallow the sale or trade of their accounts in their TOS/TOC. The games themselves can be sold, just not their accounts.
* XBL, PSN or Steam accounts, the sale of which is prohibited in their TOS.  This includes License Transfers.
* Diablo 3, WoW or other Blizzards accounts, the sale of which is prohibited in their TOS.
* Other MMORPG accounts for their respective games, also of which is prohibited in their TOS.
* Goozex account, the sale of which is prohibited in their TOU.
* CD keys by themselves without the associated media. There's no way to determine if the CD keys have been used, or if they're even valid.
* Software installed on a PC must have the original CD's/DVD's included with the trade/sale. If the software was pre-installed on the PC, the original restore discs must be included with the PC, otherwise the software needs to be removed before trade/sale. Otherwise, this violates copyright rules/EULA for the software.
* Amazon Prime shares. "Selling" a "share" of an Amazon Prime membership is against the TOS for Amazon Prime, as it's only for other family members that are part of the same physical household, by sharing the billing address of the primary account holder. Amazon Prime TOS is here:
http://www.amazon.co...20873317&sr=1-1 (11/09/11)
* Bootlegs of the non-VG/Movies nature are not allowed either. Be it purses or action figures.

* Items that were once free are no longer banned from being traded/sold. (2/11/14.)

One additional topic of note. Tradelists are for trading/selling/buying items, not for gambling pools, sweepstakes, lotteries and the like. Lotteries, sweepstakes and gambling pools (with monetary entry) are violations for local, state and federal legal issues for such items, and due to this, they can't be held on CAG. Contests without any monetary cost for entry are allowed in the Contests and Free Stuff forum, though anything that requires money for entry isn't allowed, due to possible scam concerns, as well as the previously mentioned legal concerns.

If it's unclear if the item should be sold/traded/bought on CAG, please contact the mods or CheapyD for clarification.
If you do not meet guidelines, you are going to risk getting your topic deleted and further disciplinary action.

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Feedback Rules and Guidelines (edited 3/18/2008)


-When should we leave feedback?

  • Feedback should be left when both parties participate in an exchange of items of specific value. Some examples outlined below or when and when not to leave feedback.

 

  • User 1 trades his Bioshock for User 2's Mass Effect. Feedback is left by both parties.
  • User 1 buys an Xbox 12 month code from User 2. Feedback is left by both parties.
  • User 1 gives User 2 a Playstation 3 and User 2 pays $20 for the shipping. Feedback is left for both parties.
  • User 1 gives User 2 a free 48 Xbox Live code. NO Feedback is left.
  • User 1 gives User 2 a free Playstation 3. NO Feedback is left.
  • User 1 trades a gmail invite for a qmail invite from User 2. NO feedback is left.

 

-What should feedback contain?

  • Feedback should be specific. This is what another CAG will use to determine the trustworthiness of another. If someone is selling a high valued item, it would be important to know if the user has done so in the past.

 

  • Good format = Traded Mass Effect for his Bioshock. Fast Shipping, great Trade!
  • Bad format = A+++++ Trade, thanks!

 

-Should I be worried about retaliatory feedback if I have a negative experience and I completed my end of the deal with no issues?

  • Retaliatory feedback will be removed, provided sufficient proof can be shown that it is unwarranted. For example, if user 1 ships an item timely and user 2 doesn't ship for a month. User 1 leaves feedback and User 2 retaliates.


Feedback special cases
Trading on CAG is "at your own risk". However, there are some special cases where feedback is not allowed and engaging in this specific trading activity warrants a special warning. Onto the list :

1. Playstation 3 gamesharing. You are opening up your account to trouble here. You know the risks.
2. Disney Movie Rewards Codes/Soda Rewards Code, etc. No Feedback is left.
3. Nintendo game codes. No Feedback is left. This does not apply for Virtual Console games, just Club Nintendo codes.


Edited by Trakan, 18 June 2014 - 01:03 AM.

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#2 Jedi1979

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Posted 02 November 2005 - 10:00 PM

what would be adequate bump intervals....just so we have something to go by to be fair...and please dont rip me a new one if the question seems dumb;)
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#3 CaseyRyback

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Posted 02 November 2005 - 10:18 PM

what would be adequate bump intervals....just so we have something to go by to be fair...and please dont rip me a new one if the question seems dumb;)



What I meant by this is I don't want to see people bumping stuff every ten minutes. If uyou are making some kind of communication with the OP and notifying him, I have no problems with making that type of message in a topic, but I don't want to see OTT's start in the trade forum and don't want someone to have 10 million people bump a topic constantly.

If you come on and its on the second page, I got no problems with you bumping a topic.

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#4 Jedi1979

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Posted 02 November 2005 - 10:21 PM

cool with me:)
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#5 MillerTime2523

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Posted 02 November 2005 - 10:37 PM

Thanks.. hopefully this trade forum will sort of get back into order as you have said.. i have noticed this happening quite a lot recently.

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#6 worx

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Posted 02 November 2005 - 10:39 PM

Nice - will do - thanks for bringing this to my attention MT

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Posted 02 November 2005 - 10:41 PM

I used to be the King of Bumps... :)

#8 dafoomie

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Posted 02 November 2005 - 10:42 PM

Could we get some posted guidelines on how to resolve trade disputes? I don't think a lot of people are very sure what to do.

#9 Epic Wolf

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Posted 02 November 2005 - 10:46 PM

:applause: I bump mine about 2-3 times a day...sometimes none, I'm assuming that Kathie Lee Gifford Naked broke the last straw/camel's hump :-k
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#10 Prepster

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Posted 02 November 2005 - 11:18 PM

Thanks for posting up some guidelines to follow, since every time I come into the trading forum I always get my hopes up that I actually would get to see Kathie Lee Gifford Naked :-(



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#11 CaseyRyback

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Posted 02 November 2005 - 11:28 PM

:applause: I bump mine about 2-3 times a day...sometimes none, I'm assuming that Kathie Lee Gifford Naked broke the last straw/camel's hump :-k



sally struthers, and I will leave the guidelines for disputes up to others. I don't really know what all should be said

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#12 wubb

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Posted 03 November 2005 - 01:09 AM

To me #3 is the main one. I'd suggest shuffling it to #1 to really stress it. Just my 2 cents.

I suggest the mods start deleting any topics over one that are being actively bumped by the trader. (No merging or warnings, just delete.)

#13 Pulsar

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Posted 03 November 2005 - 06:41 AM

Is there a list of things allowed and not allowed to be traded? Understandably we're all about the games, but we all have alot of other crap.
I know bootlegs, copies, mods etc. are out.
Is there anything else restricted? Not that I plan on trading away a semi-automatic rifle, or hardcore chinese midget porn, but what else is restricted. Think we need to be cleared up a bit on this. I really want to put a bottle of Jack on my wantlist.

#14 WeaponX2099

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Posted 03 November 2005 - 06:44 AM

My fault on the Sally Struthers. Will fix.

#15 Demetriustyus

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Posted 03 November 2005 - 07:24 PM

At tgn we're only allowed to bump a topic once per day and it seems to work fine that way.

#16 Murcielago77

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Posted 04 November 2005 - 02:39 AM

i bump my topic like, a max 3 times a day, but i barely get there. are we still allowed to advertise with big capital letters with the stuff we have? as long as its trade list related?


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#17 zionoverfire

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Posted 04 November 2005 - 03:15 AM

are we still allowed to advertise with big capital letters with the stuff we have? as long as its trade list related?


I'm betting that rule was meant more to deal with the problem of trade lists such as:

Trade with me or die
____ Naked

and other catchy pointless names.


edit: The new rules seem to make sense to me and I will try my best to follow them.

#18 gopro

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Posted 05 November 2005 - 12:36 AM

Final FriggenLY. Ive seen Mr. King of Bumping (who replied in here not Rig) bump things a million times also another guy who likes to bump thing that havent been replied in for 2 months (Yankeydoodle). Ive seen losers false advertising others who bump there topic only an hour after it gets listed or even less or attention grabbing because there list sucks monkey balls, it gets really out a hand. I bump mine like 1-2x a day but since I dont have really anything on my list anymore imma just let it go down for a little while until I get some stuff again.

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#19 pimpinc333

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Posted 05 November 2005 - 03:58 AM

LOL Well im glad there is no need for me to have a tradelist anymore.

#20 shrike4242

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Posted 07 November 2005 - 04:35 AM

We've had our first violation of the new guidelines set out here.

The offending TL has been removed.

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Posted 07 November 2005 - 05:26 AM

Whoa just notice this. Could we bumps if we added new items are do price drops?

#22 shrike4242

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Posted 07 November 2005 - 05:00 PM

We've had our first violation of the new guidelines set out here.

The offending TL has been removed.

And now we've had our second one.

People need to take a look at these rules.

They are changing and being updated, though serious enforcement of them is being done because people need to understand how out of control things have gotten.

#23 wubb

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Posted 07 November 2005 - 08:01 PM

At tgn we're only allowed to bump a topic once per day and it seems to work fine that way.


Yes, but it takes threads 3+ days to drop off the front page of the various marketplace forums on TGN. Here a thread drops off the front within an hour or two quite often. That could be due to people bumping like crazy, but I think it's mainly because the forums here just get a lot more action.

If we make an official policy I'd like it to be that you can't bump your thread (just for the sake of bumping) unless it is off page 1 or if it has been 1 day since you last bumped. But, I don't notice many CAGers doing this, and when one does s/he is told to cut it out pretty quickly. The main thing that keeps any one TL near the top is an OT convo going on inside it.

#24 shrike4242

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Posted 07 November 2005 - 08:32 PM

I've made some additions to the forum rules, cleaned some stuff up, and added a listing of items that aren't sellable/tradeable on CAG.

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Posted 27 November 2005 - 03:00 AM

To me #3 is the main one. I'd suggest shuffling it to #1 to really stress it. Just my 2 cents.

I suggest the mods start deleting any topics over one that are being actively bumped by the trader. (No merging or warnings, just delete.)


alot of people are actively bumping multiple times every hour. i am absolutely sick of it.
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#26 Jedi1979

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Posted 27 November 2005 - 04:06 AM

alot of people are actively bumping multiple times every hour. i am absolutely sick of it.


if you are referring to me...i was only bumping cause i had auctions ending within a 3 hour period (they have now ended as of this writing) so i am done for the night bumping my topics...
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#27 111111

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Posted 27 November 2005 - 10:49 AM

if you are referring to me...i was only bumping cause i had auctions ending within a 3 hour period (they have now ended as of this writing) so i am done for the night bumping my topics...


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#28 wubb

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Posted 15 December 2005 - 02:52 PM

I went ahead and made 'No multiple tradelists' the #1 rule. I personally clean up a few of those violations every week and I'm pretty much sick of seeing it.

#29 Danro

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Posted 15 December 2005 - 03:17 PM

Indeed. There seems to be a problem with people making a new thread for each individual item they own to generate interest. Not the best way to do business.
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Posted 16 December 2005 - 09:32 AM

Indeed. There seems to be a problem with people making a new thread for each individual item they own to generate interest. Not the best way to do business.


i completely agree with danro on this.
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