The General eBay Rant Thread

So what do I do if he doesn't respond by tomorrow? I've never had this happen before :(

What worries me is the address...it's just weird I've never seen anything like it.

Name withheld
4411 NW 74th Ave
# GEO10562
Miami, FL 33166
United States

The bold part is confusing me....I asked a friend who sells on ebay for a living basically and he doesn't know what it is either.
That's a forwarding address... most likely to South America. The " # xxxxxxx" is his account number with the freight forwarder. There are a town of these companies in Miami and the surrounding areas.

The good news is you're only responsible for the item until it gets to the address in Miami.

 
There are a lot of forwarders / agents who work out of Florida, so that kind of sounds like it could be it.  Not saying that it is, but I've had experience outside of eBay that leads me to this conclusion.

 
That's a forwarding address... most likely to South America. The " # xxxxxxx" is his account number with the freight forwarder. There are a town of these companies in Miami and the surrounding areas.

The good news is you're only responsible for the item until it gets to the address in Miami.
Oh....weird. So, do you think it's okay to ship it then? Thanks so much for the explanation btw; being a college student every penny does count and I just want to be cautious.

 
Same here. If I mess up then I usually just refund them, but with people jerking me around I tell them flat out return the item.

I've had 3 people say they wanted a refund but they refused to return the item. One guy went as far as to say he did send it but then it was returned back to him as non-deliverable, but ignored me when I asked for tracking, a picture, etc. Eventually he and the other people just disappeared.

Same with people from other countries buying DVDs and games. I always check with people about importing stuff, and two after saying it was fine then complained a month later saying it wouldn't work on their stuff and wanted their money back. I told them they gotta send it back overseas and I wasn't going to just refund them for not knowing regions on DVDs after I checked with them.

Most people are lazy and once you stand up to them they disappear. I haven't gotten a single negative this year with 300+ feedback in the last 12 months.
Glad it's working out for you.

If I sell a game. Say, I sell Final Fantasy XII on ebay and the buyer responds and says "My son can't log online with this game, I thought this was online" and I respond by saying "No, sorry, that's Final Fantasy XI, Final Fantasy XII doesn't have any online capabilities" and they go "Oh, well, I thought this was the online one, so I want my money back."

That is clearly the fault of the buyer, not the seller. A lot of people would allow them to return it out of fear of a feedback or losing a case. A year ago, I probably would have too. Not anymore. I'll just respond with something like "You should have known what you were buying before you placed the bid, sorry. No refunds" and whatever happens, happens. I'm willing to deal with the consequences, should any arise.

 
Oh....weird. So, do you think it's okay to ship it then? Thanks so much for the explanation btw; being a college student every penny does count and I just want to be cautious.
From what I understand, you are required to ship to the address on the PayPal transaction details(where it says ok to ship and eligible for seller protection). Whether confirmed or not. I believe PayPal/Ebay changed the policy a few years back where you don't need to ship to a confirmed address to have seller protection.

If you're not sure, you could refund and take a possible neg.

 
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I had to add a thousand disclaimers to my auctions due to people like this, even though my auctions are done so much better than those with a one line description which is all I see these days. I also put that if the buyer returns an item for any reason there will be a 30% restocking fee and the buyer must pay return shipping.
 
From what I understand, you are required to ship to the address on the PayPal transaction details(where it says ok to ship and eligible for seller protection). Whether confirmed or not. I believe PayPal/Ebay changed the policy a few years back where you don't need to ship to a confirmed address to have seller protection.

If you're not sure, you could refund and take a possible neg.
This. You can't change the address yourself, even if the buyer requests but unconfirmed address means nothing to you really.

Also I sell to forwarders all the time and actually like when they buy from me. All they are doing is reshipping it to another country so you don't have to deal with any BS returns for buyers remorse because you never actually deal with the end purchaser.
 
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Oh....weird. So, do you think it's okay to ship it then? Thanks so much for the explanation btw; being a college student every penny does count and I just want to be cautious.
You don't run any additional risks in regards to the item being received or not. If the tracking shows delivered to Miami, FL xxxxx (where the zip codes match) then you've fulfilled the obligation of the sale.

You are liable for making sure the item is as described just like with any sale. I've heard stories were sellers fought SNAD cases in transactions handled by freight forwarding (FF) companies and won due to the fact that the items are almost always repackaged but that is YMMV. You're going to run risks with almost any sale on eBay but I haven't noticed any of those risks increasing with FF companies.

 
You don't run any additional risks in regards to the item being received or not. If the tracking shows delivered to Miami, FL xxxxx (where the zip codes match) then you've fulfilled the obligation of the sale.

You are liable for making sure the item is as described just like with any sale. I've heard stories were sellers fought SNAD cases in transactions handled by freight forwarding (FF) companies and won due to the fact that the items are almost always repackaged but that is YMMV. You're going to run risks with almost any sale on eBay but I haven't noticed any of those risks increasing with FF companies.
Exactly this, though I would say risks decrease with forwarding companies for the most part. Like the person a few pages back with the shoes. No one is going to pay a forwarding company to send the shoes to another country then open a SNAD for them being slightly different color than they expected.

Also, I have only ever heard of one forwarding company that did INR scams and they are no longer on eBay.
 
Not a rant, but did anyone else get the email promotion "Bid on 5 items this week, get $5 in eBay bucks"?  You don't have to actually win the auctions, just bid on them.  I guess either I don't buy enough on eBay personally, or they are trying to gain interest in auction listings (though they seem to be pushing towards BINs from a seller's perspective).

 
Not a rant, but did anyone else get the email promotion "Bid on 5 items this week, get $5 in eBay bucks"? You don't have to actually win the auctions, just bid on them. I guess either I don't buy enough on eBay personally, or they are trying to gain interest in auction listings (though they seem to be pushing towards BINs from a seller's perspective).
I have not. But if it's just to bid, then you can easily score 5 bucks.

Edit: I just got the email now. So might be trying to gain interest in auctions.

 
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Godamnit, someone just made a new account with 0 feedback and is the highest bidder on my item. I know most likely they will not pay/try to screw with me so should I just end the auction?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/PS3-Games-Modern-Warfare-3-Ultimate-Marvel-Capcom-3-Dead-Alive-5-Ultimate-/181396848373
Dammit. I just found this cool auction of ps3 games but the seller has 4 feedback. I just know if I buy it he's going to scam me or something.

Seriously, though, chill out. Your auction has 5 days left. You have no idea who's going to win.
 
Dammit. I just found this cool auction of ps3 games but the seller has 4 feedback. I just know if I buy it he's going to scam me or something.

Seriously, though, chill out. Your auction has 5 days left. You have no idea who's going to win.
That's exactly what I thought... How is someone with 4 feedback complaining about someone with no feedback?

 
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Speaking of feedback, it's a pet peeve of mine when sellers wait for you to give them a positive before they give you one. Your job as a buyer is to pay for the item. You should be rewarded for that. I've come across sellers who will not give you one unless they get one first. A very douchebag thing to do IMO. Especially if you are an established ebayer and there is little fear of buyer trying to screw you over.

When sellers do that to me, I just don't give them a feedback in return. It means more to the seller than the buyer, so they are the ones losing out.

 
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Speaking of feedback, it's a pet peeve of mine when sellers wait for you to give them a positive before they give you one. Your job as a buyer is to pay for the item. You should be rewarded for that. I've come across sellers who will not give you one unless they get one first. A very douchebag thing to do IMO. Especially if you are an established ebayer and there is little fear of buyer trying to screw you over.

When sellers do that to me, I just don't give them a feedback in return. It means more to the seller than the buyer, so they are the ones losing out.
It's not just about buyers paying. There are scammers. There are unnecessarily difficult buyers. Sellers can't leave neutrals or negatives for buyers and any "false" positives left for buyers that are essentially negatives get deleted. Plus buyers have a large window of time to essentially change their mind and open a case against a seller. So as a seller, until I know the buyer hasn't tried to pull a fast one and until I know the transaction went off without a hitch via their positive feedback to me, why should I take the time to leave them any positive feedback? I'm not going to essentially put my name to a feedback rating that says "this person is a good buyer" if 45 days later they can go and open a BS case against me.

And as a buyer, are you really taking the time to check a seller's feedback left for others and compare it to the time stamp of when that buyer left feedback for the seller in determining whether or not to leave a buyer feedback? If so, why even bother with that? Or are you just assuming if the seller doesn't leave you positive feedback by the time they ship the item, they instantly don't deserve feedback at all? Why do you want to punish sellers who perhaps leave feedback in batches?

As a buyer, I wait for my item to arrive and I check the condition. If it arrives in the condition it said in the listing and it arrives in a timely fashion, I leave positive feedback. If the seller let the item gets slightly damaged from lazy packaging or the item had more defects than the condition let on, usually I just don't leave any feedback for the seller and consider that a gift to the seller since they probably deserve at least a neutral. Only in very very rare situations do I leave a seller negative feedback.

If the seller leaves me feedback before or after I leave or don't leave my feedback - I really don't care. If I wanted to pad my score with positives from being a buyer, I'd buy stuff off buy.com's ebay lisitings.

 
why should I take the time to leave them any positive feedback?
Because it's what eBay wants you to do as a seller?

Like you said---you can't leave soft or false positives as they're policy violations and despite there being scammers eBay states that a buyer has completed their end of the transaction once they've paid. If there are problems later on leave a follow-up comment to the original feedback---because it adds a second line it is much more noticeable then false/soft feedback anyway (for those that like to skim feedback before completing a transaction).

The only time I ever wait to leave feedback is on the sale of a digital item like DLC and I clearly state in my form e-mail, when I send the code, that I will leave feedback AFTER the buyer has verified that they've successfully redeemed the code by leaving me feedback.

Trust me---I get what you're saying but as a seller, leaving feedback is just a formality. It is essentially useless but there are many buyers who think they are being disrespected when they don't receive feedback after a sale and in actuality you may be creating more problems by not leaving feedback right away as they could always take it out on your DSR's if they are upset by it (after I print a label I just click the "leave feedback" link that is on the same screen where the label prints and then I know I'm done with the transaction).

Waiting to leave feedback doesn't solve or fix anything; eBay created the "Report Buyer" section if you need to vent.

I know smaller sellers, who only sell one or two items here or there want to live by their own code and do things their own way so that they feel like they have the upper hand if a buyer tries to scam them but with all the programs eBay has created (DSR's, Defect Rate, etc.) they are purging seller accounts left or right for the smallest of reasons.

Honestly sometimes I feel like it is best to leave feedback right after a sale so that if something goes wrong I'm not tempted to cuss the buyer out---as it has been confirmed that sellers have lost their account based on too many false positives or leaving inappropriate feeback for buyer's who have then reported it too eBay

 
That's why I said especially if you are an established ebayer. Waiting is paranoid. Chances of getting scammed are low, and I think it's a dbag move to wait for a feedback, just because of the outside chance they might get scammed. Plus, you can report a buyer after a positive feedback anyway.

I think it's way overly paranoid.

If you have a fishy feeling about a buyer, that is a different matter altogether.

But, I don't think it is just fear of being scammed as to why people do it. I think sellers get frustrated when buyers don't leave them a feedback, so they decided to make a stand. I get automated messages from sellers sometimes

"If you are satisfied with your purchase, please leave me a good feedback and rate me 5 stars in all categories and I will give you a feedback in return!"

 
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^ eBay just needs to hurry up and overhaul the feedback system. I'd even go as far as to say they should require users to have accounts just for selling and just for buying with no mixing between them.

 
I usually wait a week or so after shipping to leave feedback in case there's a problem, regardless if they leave me feedback in return. Though there are times where I will simply forget to check eBay after all my shipments are out and forget to leave feedback.
 
Something that went missing in the postal service popped back up after being like 3 weeks late. I've already sent the person over a refund, etc. Now I just send them a note asking for payment or to return the item.

Can't wait to see how this goes.

 
Something that went missing in the postal service popped back up after being like 3 weeks late. I've already sent the person over a refund, etc. Now I just send them a note asking for payment or to return the item.

Can't wait to see how this goes.
was it an expensive item? just curious

 
I provide feedback for buyers in batches. Anybody that gives me feedback, I do the same in return. I think more like kodave. My main reason to hold off on providing feedback is that if a buyer doesn't bother taking the time to give me feedback, I do the same. I haven't had any problems not leaving any feedback to buyers. Once in a great while, a buyer will message me and solicit feedback but that's the only thing that sticks out in my mind. I personally don't see the benefit to leave feedback for everyone. I used to do that when I was trying to build my feedback score. It seemed like to me about less than half of buyers bother with feedback so I just feel like it's an investment of time that isn't worth much in the end of the day. Defect rates are going to be the new standard, so feedback scores have become more meaningless anyway.

Speaking of which, I'm a little confused about that recent email that eBay sent out a couple of weeks ago about extending the special protection for defect rates to sellers. This part of the email reads:

"You'll be protected through the March 20, 2015 seller evaluation from selling limits or restrictions as a consequence of falling below eBay's minimum standards strictly because of one or more of the defects that were not previously counted in standards that you received prior to March 11, 2014: opened cases, detailed seller ratings of 3 for item description, returns because the item was not as described, negative or neutral feedback, or seller-cancelled transactions"

Does that mean I failed somewhere or is that just some automated email everybody got?
 
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The only time I ever wait to leave feedback is on the sale of a digital item like DLC and I clearly state in my form e-mail, when I send the code, that I will leave feedback AFTER the buyer has verified that they've successfully redeemed the code by leaving me feedback.
That's entirely hypocritical of you though. You do realize that, right? Why should you wait to leave feedback for DLC if they've done their job and paid? How is waiting for the buyer to confirm that the code worked by leaving feedback any different than waiting for the buyer to confirm that the item arrived in the condition I said it would? The only difference is sending DLC via email is against eBay rules if you don't actually physically mail them the paper slip (I believe). You're still trying to protect yourself against scammers, but is there any actual evidence digital scammers are any more prevalent than physical item scammers?

That's why I said especially if you are an established ebayer. Waiting is paranoid. Chances of getting scammed are low, and I think it's a dbag move to wait for a feedback, just because of the outside chance they might get scammed. Plus, you can report a buyer after a positive feedback anyway.

I think it's way overly paranoid.

If you have a fishy feeling about a buyer, that is a different matter altogether.

But, I don't think it is just fear of being scammed as to why people do it. I think sellers get frustrated when buyers don't leave them a feedback, so they decided to make a stand. I get automated messages from sellers sometimes

"If you are satisfied with your purchase, please leave me a good feedback and rate me 5 stars in all categories and I will give you a feedback in return!"

I just can't understand being called a "douchebag" for being concerned about transactions completing smoothly. Why do you even care about your feedback as a buyer? Once you cross the threshold of several purchases, there is next to nothing to differentiate you from someone with thousands of positive feedback when it comes to pure purchasing. And you still didn't answer about why you feel the need to punish people who do something like batch feedback. But anyone who knows anything about selling on eBay knows sellers can be made or destroyed by feedback. The entire feedback system is weighted disproportionately against the seller.

It would be more equal if eBay showed information saying "As a buyer, this user has completed X number of transactions. This buyer has been involved in Y number of transactions where they did not pay or opened a case. eBay has found Z number of those cases in favor of the buyer." It should be similar for the seller. "As a seller, this user has completed X number of transactions. This seller has been involved in Y number of cases or seller initiated cancelled transactions. eBay has found Z number of cases in the user's favor." (Which would require the case system to be changed since eBay changed it to auto-open cases for simple questions about delivery issues that often resolve themselves.)

 
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was it an expensive item? just curious
Not really too that expensive - $40.

I'm not sure how much time and effort it will be worth putting into get the 40 back if the buyer just keeps refusing to respond. Not saying it is going to happen that way, but I sent an ebay message and an e-mail.

 
I pretty much do what DNukem does, I give it a week after its delivered, and then I respond with a positive FB as a seller if no issues came up (should be enough time for a legitimate complaint).  I can see both sides of the argument, so I figure a middle ground approach works for me.  I could leave feedback right when I shipped it as mass sellers do, but I think it's smart to at least wait for the delivery confirmed first.

Not that it makes that much of a difference IMO, if they are going to try scamming you, they are going to do it anyways independent of your FB response and DC.

 
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That's entirely hypocritical of you though. You do realize that, right? Why should you wait to leave feedback for DLC if they've done their job and paid? How is waiting for the buyer to confirm that the code worked by leaving feedback any different than waiting for the buyer to confirm that the item arrived in the condition I said it would? The only difference is sending DLC via email is against eBay rules if you don't actually physically mail them the paper slip (I believe). You're still trying to protect yourself against scammers, but is there any actual evidence digital scammers are any more prevalent than physical item scammers?

I just can't understand being called a "douchebag" for being concerned about transactions completing smoothly. Why do you even care about your feedback as a buyer? Once you cross the threshold of several purchases, there is next to nothing to differentiate you from someone with thousands of positive feedback when it comes to pure purchasing. And you still didn't answer about why you feel the need to punish people who do something like batch feedback. But anyone who knows anything about selling on eBay knows sellers can be made or destroyed by feedback. The entire feedback system is weighted disproportionately against the seller.

It would be more equal if eBay showed information saying "As a buyer, this user has completed X number of transactions. This buyer has been involved in Y number of transactions where they did not pay or opened a case. eBay has found Z number of those cases in favor of the buyer." It should be similar for the seller. "As a seller, this user has completed X number of transactions. This seller has been involved in Y number of cases or seller initiated cancelled transactions. eBay has found Z number of cases in the user's favor." (Which would require the case system to be changed since eBay changed it to auto-open cases for simple questions about delivery issues that often resolve themselves.)
There may not be evidence digital scammers are more prevalent, but it's easier to scam someone for digital content. You basically have a license to steal on ebay as a buyer for digital content. Sell an Xbox Live subscription card. Buyer uses it, but says it didn't work. They win. Period, end of story. Every time. That is not the case with other items, because you can't return digital items and they are useless when activated. He's covering his ass for a specific circumstance.

Leaving a feedback to a buyer will not in anyway jeopardize your case if the transaction doesn't go smoothly down the road. It doesn't benefit you in anyway. I think most sellers do it to be spiteful. Like most sellers, they probably get a feedback in return 50% of the time at most, and decided to be really petty about it.

"If you don't give me a feedback, you're not getting one."

I just think it's childish. Sometimes you don't get a feedback in return. It happens. Nothing you can really do about it. Not leaving the buyer one, won't get you your feedback.

There are exceptions for delayed feedback, like with mass sellers who sell thousands of items. It can be time consuming. I understand. But if I buy an item from a seller who has, say, 250 feedback, and I buy a game. I get no feedback for paying, and then when I leave them a feedback, I get one in return within the hour. It's just so childish and petty, and overly paranoid. A pet peeve of mine. Is it a huge deal? No, but everyone has small quirky things that annoy them and this is one for me. Just the nature of it.

 
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I don't leave feedback until the buyer leaves me feedback. If they never leave feedback because they're waiting on me to leave them feedback, I don't really care. (Now that I'm "established," anyway. When I was a new seller, I would leave feedback when they paid, but I'd get annoyed when they wouldn't leave me feedback, which is why I eventually stopped.)

On another topic, you gotta love when people ask stupid questions. I have a TiVo listed, and someone actually messaged me with "Hi as it's an xl4 does this unit have 4 tuners in it?" I was tempted to reply with "You just answered your own question," but I'd rather just ignore the message than deal with people that dumb.

 
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An update from earlier. The person sent over the money no problem, and added 5 dollars to it as a thank you for some reason.

I feel a bit bad about the 5 dollars since all I really did was go to the post office and ask them to find the package and they told me tough luck and then two weeks later it appeared. (It never made it out of the post office I dropped it off at - 2 weeks later it scans the first time there)..

I think I'm going to drop something in the mail for the person. The person bought some Cards Against Humanity from me, so I think I will mail them off a smaller pack I was selling for 10 dollars.

 
My item has just sold and I'm wondering how do I determine the actual weight of the package? It's a small used Macy's box that has just enough space to fill three PS3 games. How do you guys calculate the shipping cost?

 
Yea, you need a scale. At retail they are usually $25-$30 to start, but I got a digital scale that works great off of eBay for $12.
 
If you're not selling heavily, you can use the scale at the post office and either pay there or write the amount down then go home and pay for shipping off eBay.
 
My item has just sold and I'm wondering how do I determine the actual weight of the package? It's a small used Macy's box that has just enough space to fill three PS3 games. How do you guys calculate the shipping cost?
Investing in a scale is worth it, I currently use a SAGA Digital Postal Scale 86lb limit. It costed me $16, with free priority shipping. I actually ordered a 66lb limit scale but was sent a 86lb scale, which works great for me.

Or weigh at the post office.

 
My item has just sold and I'm wondering how do I determine the actual weight of the package? It's a small used Macy's box that has just enough space to fill three PS3 games. How do you guys calculate the shipping cost?
If you are going to frequently sell on eBay you need a scale. However if this was like a one and done kind of sale for you the average PS3 game weighs 5oz, older ones with real manuals 6oz, ones like GTA, Oblivion, Red Dead Redemption that include a manual and a map 8oz.

A standard 6x6x6 box I have is 4oz. Even if you estimate high figure 3 8oz games and 8 oz box is 2lb and depending on what you are shipping and the box size it is likely less so if you put 2lb for postage you are almost definitely safe just have them double check at the Post Office before sending. Better to do it that way due to the discounts on postage on eBay.

And we all thought we'd never used math once grown up while in elementary school right?
 
My item has just sold and I'm wondering how do I determine the actual weight of the package? It's a small used Macy's box that has just enough space to fill three PS3 games. How do you guys calculate the shipping cost?
Pretty much have to go with buy a scale.

It will pay for itself very quickly if you sell much on eBay. Same thing with picking up a cheap laser printer.

I bought one of craigslist for 30 w/ a toner cartridge in it. Toner lasted me just about 2 years and I had to switch to a new one like 5 months ago.

 
You definitely need a scale, its first and foremost of your equipment.

Second should be a cheap laser printer, you can often find brother ones for $50-60 on sale at Officemax here

These 2 things will pay for themselves very very quickly since ebay gives you huge shipping discounts. I know the discounts won't seem huge at first but the discounts add up so fast for me.

The biggest benefit is I don't have to stand in line at the post office and deal with the idiot customers and poorly trained workers that work there. The post office waits can be in upwards of one hour or more here just to get a package rung up because idiot customers and workers that are not properly trained have no idea what they are doing in general.

 
I confess that besides a simple food scale at home, I don't have a dedicated way of checking the weights.  Every package I drop off to the post office I double check the weights there, and I use the honor system if I'm off by an once or two by adding that back into the next package I ship.

As ferant pointed out you can pretty much know what the weight of games will be if you account for the case, manual, and number of discs.  If its a heavier package (non-USPS flat rate) that weighs over 1 lb, the USPS system uses the same rate for that whole pound range, regardless of the ounces.  So a 1 lbs, 2 oz package will ship the same as a 1 lbs 15 oz package.

Actually the weight ranges are X lbs 1 oz up to the next pound 0 oz (3lbs 1 oz costs the same as a package weighing exactly 4 lbs 0 oz, as an example).

So for that reason a simple food scale that shows ounces for the first class shipments has been sufficient enough for me.

 
[quote name="Billytwoshoes" post="11743782" timestamp="1399570691"]I confess that besides a simple food scale at home, I don't have a dedicated way of checking the weights. Every package I drop off to the post office I double check the weights there, and I use the honor system if I'm off by an once or two by adding that back into the next package I ship.

As ferant pointed out you can pretty much know what the weight of games will be if you account for the case, manual, and number of discs. If its a heavier package (non-USPS flat rate) that weighs over 1 lb, the USPS system uses the same rate for that whole pound range, regardless of the ounces. So a 1 lbs, 2 oz package will ship the same as a 1 lbs 15 oz package.

Actually the weight ranges are X lbs 1 oz up to the next pound 0 oz (3lbs 1 oz costs the same as a package weighing exactly 4 lbs 0 oz, as an example).

So for that reason a simple food scale that shows ounces for the first class shipments has been sufficient enough for me.[/quote]

I use this same strategy because of the weight range. I just always put the weight to the higher end of the scale that it's in.
 
Even by "guestimating" you're over paying for postage. If you pay for postage at the post office----you're overpaying. Not to mention if you underpay (you're always "supposed" to round up---i.e. 4.1oz is supposed to go at the 5.0oz rate) there is a chance it'll get flagged as "postage due" and held at the buyer's P.O. until he can find time to go down and pay the postage due. I have had a package held for postage due of $.19 before and it is very frustrating to have to go down to the P.O. and weight in line for a mistake someone else made.

I understand the desire to be cheap and frugal but for $60 as others have mentioned you can get a reliable scale and a brother toner printer where you get several thousand prints per toner cartridge and off brand replacements are between $10-$15.

I'm not even factoring time spent in line (if you prepay you can drop your packages off anywhere that times them without having the need to wait) but my advice is if you ship more then 5 packages a month just spend the money for a scale and printer.

 
Unless you are only sending out single games like the guy above if you send or plan on sending more than 5 other packages per year it's worth it to get the scale and the printer. You can use these items for other things too such as printing coupons which will also save you money.

I know i am going out on a limb here but if you are visiting the post office more than 5 times a year then you NEED a scale and a printer for postage use.

I am mainly saying this because of the unbelievable idiots that both stand in line at the PO and that work there. I really don't have an hour or more to wait in line at the PO each time I have to go there which is a lot. Seriously my post office workers tell everyone that anything with a lithium battery cannot be shipped at all when in reality you can ship then within the USA if they are sealed in the device. As far as the people who stand in line... I am not going to go there.. Some of them don't even know how to address an envelope.
 
To be clear, I always print my labels from home (anyone can tell you that is the better way), and I never wait in line (drop box for pre-paid).  I just circumvent the line and drop of the labeled box next to the attendant on the register, if someone shoved something that didn't belong in the drop box. I don't really think this is rude (or unsafe) either, saves time for everyone.

I'm going to applaud those that do invest in a scale for themselves, but you aren't losing money hand over fist if you learn the weights and plan accordingly without a scale.  The difference between ounces can be as little as $0.09 (on the newer system at least), and when you are trusting a scale for the most accurate measurements (to the tenth oz scale), think about calibration.

How often do you calibrate your scale?  Who does the calibration? How are you sure that 4.9 oz package isn't really 5.1 oz, and you are inadvertently cheating the post office out of that "savings".  What if the scale the USPS employee uses is out of calibration slightly, and they make a mistake?

I'm not trying to be an ass about it, but just bringing up a counterpoint.  So either you care meticulously about these details, or you just don't care and overpay on some packages by ten to twenty cents now and then.

 
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Everyone I have seen dumps packages on the counter, I do it as well. We have a post office drop here but it often doesn't work. It just doesn't open for some reason sometimes and I don't know why.

The reason I have a scale is because it was $2 at a yard sale so I use that and it's a quality scale. But you could use any scale really, or use flat rate boxes which don't even require a scale. I have never had a package postage due. I probably pay 9 cents more per package or whatever sometimes but for me to be able to dump packages at the post office and skip an hour or more long wait each time is priceless.
 
Everyone I have seen dumps packages on the counter, I do it as well. We have a post office drop here but it often doesn't work. It just doesn't open for some reason sometimes and I don't know why.
That is because they are full. Whenever they get full they they jam on purpose so you can open it and put more stuff in. I'm guessing it was designed that way so you can't put a box in, close the chute and walk away but have your package never fall anywhere because the bin is full.

 
My item has just sold and I'm wondering how do I determine the actual weight of the package? It's a small used Macy's box that has just enough space to fill three PS3 games. How do you guys calculate the shipping cost?
Use the scale on the machine inside the post office to get your reading. Or just buy a food scale if you're not going to ship much over several pounds.

I have a $10 or $15 digital food scale I've used for so many transactions. It is accurate to about an ounce compared with double checking on the APC machine inside the post office. I ship mostly books, so if I'm nearing the next weight tier, I'll base my weight it off my food scale reading but double check it at the post office. It's only been wrong once so I just took the package home and voided the label then printed a new one. I don't think you even have to be that cautious and round up a bunch outside of what the post office asks of you. If I ship a game and it is 7.6 oz, I just round it up to 8 oz like I'm supposed to for First Class Mail. No need to go beyond that and spend more than you have to.

 
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