2008 NFL Season Thread

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[quote name='FriskyTanuki']Romo gave that one away.[/quote]

fuck you Romo! fuck you in your dumb fucking ass!

Son of a bitch!! This is the first round of my Fantasy playoffs, I had the Dallas D starting and my opponent had the Steelers. I was within 2 pts when Romo threw that fucking pick 6:bomb::bomb::bomb:!!!!!

I went from down 2 to down 17 in one play!

I still have Cooley to play but there's no way he's gonna score 17 pts. Not with Campbell behind center and against the Baltimore D...

Sorry had to vent there... Sorry Lions, I was really pulling for you to get your first win this week. Against the Vikes would've been the perfect time for it...;)

Also WTF is up with the Packers? Not that I'm complaining as a Bears fan but they've been awful these past few weeks.
 
[quote name='DJSteel']nothing I love seeing more than Romo showing how overrated a qb he is..[/QUOTE]

LOL at overrated. Big Ben is overrated in everyone's eyes besides those sad Pittsburgh fans. I kinda feel sorry for them since they have a better QB riding the bench while Bad Ben starts.

While watching the game I felt like Tony Romo was playing like Neil O'Donnell.

IMO Tony Romo = Neil O"Donnell from now on. He cost us that game badly.

Also no need for us to keep replying hatred back and forth since I know you will. You're a Steelers fan and Im a Cowboys fan. We will never see eye to eye. So lets just both agree that both Ben and Tony are both overrated. Agreed?
 
heh.. i will say he is overrated, I think all the qbs in the nfl are overrated a little.. only a select few get overrated a ton..
 
[quote name='DJSteel']heh.. i will say he is overrated, I think all the qbs in the nfl are overrated a little.. only a select few get overrated a ton..[/QUOTE]

The only reason he seems to be overrated is because he really came out of no where to turn into one of the better QB's in the league. He wasn't highly sought after from college. He was a free agent who rode the practice squad and bench for 4 years before even playing a game.

He reminds me of Kurt Warner how he came out of no where and became one of the best QB's in history IMO and has a great chance of winning MVP this season.

Also pop Tom Brady in this same category as well to come of out no where.
 
Michigan fans knew how talented Tom Brady was in college. However, we certainly did not see him becoming the Joe Montana of today. Still I think most knew it was a coup for the Pats to get him in the 6th round.

BTW, saying Byron Leftwich is better than Ben Roethlisberger is a bit of a joke, no?
 
Romo, much like all qbs, are only as good as the parts around him.. Romo is definitely not an MVP candidate. and Ben is 10X the QB Leftwich was..
 
[quote name='FriskyTanuki']Romo gave that one away.[/QUOTE]

yeah he did like all other games
 
[quote name='TC']The Lions dodged a bullet today and have kept the dream alive.[/QUOTE]

beeing 0-16
 
[quote name='DJSteel']Romo, much like all qbs, are only as good as the parts around him.. Romo is definitely not an MVP candidate. and Ben is 10X the QB Leftwich was..[/QUOTE]

Why do you say "was". Leftwich can still play and he proved that this years filling in for injuried Ben.
 
Big Ben is not overrated... despite playing an average game in the Super Bowl a few years back, they wouldnt have got there without riding his shoulders to the game in the first place... there are not too many SB winning QB's in the league... his problem is holding on to the football too much and getting sacked often, leading to injuries that take him weeks to truly get over... Romo is much more overrated Sporting News a few years back had him as one of the top 4 QB's in the league... how many rings does he have... better yet... how many playoff games has he won

Steelers D... AMAZING... still kept the Dallas O from reaching 300 yards like they have every other team they've played this year... midway through the 3rd didnt look like it would happened, but they really clamped down from then on.
 
Damn today was a good day of football. My Titans out there smashing mofo's in the mouth. Lock it up boys, lock it up.

Smash and Dash is the best running combo in the league.

I also like that the G-men lost proving to everyone that they can be beat.
 
[quote name='zman73']Big Ben is not overrated... despite playing an average game in the Super Bowl a few years back, they wouldnt have got there without riding his shoulders to the game in the first place... there are not too many SB winning QB's in the league... his problem is holding on to the football too much and getting sacked often, leading to injuries that take him weeks to truly get over... Romo is much more overrated Sporting News a few years back had him as one of the top 4 QB's in the league... how many rings does he have... better yet... how many playoff games has he won

Steelers D... AMAZING... still kept the Dallas O from reaching 300 yards like they have every other team they've played this year... midway through the 3rd didnt look like it would happened, but they really clamped down from then on.[/QUOTE]

And this coming from let me guess it...... a Steelers fan?
 
I am not a Steelers fan and I dont think he is over rated. I think he is about where he should be. The guy is a good hard nose QB that can win games with his arm and buy time with his feet. He also can make most every single throw as a QB.

On the other hand I hate Dallas, always have and always will and I wouldnt say that Romo is over rated, more over hyped because he really lives the life of a Dallas QB. He has embraced that whole persona of being the QB for Gods team so he comes off as smug. Though he is a damn good QB. He also can buy loads of time with his feet and can make most any QB throw.

Hell I barely even hear anything about Big Ben on days that the Steelers are not playing where as I cant go a day without hearing about Romo's exploits.


But if you were to flat out ask me which one is better? Big Ben by a long shot.


EDIT: Also, you cant let the fact that Romo chokes harder than a rookie pornstar in the play offs slide......hell Manning was considered a choke artist and he would actually win a couple play off games each year just falling short of the SB. Romo cant even get out of the first round.
 
[quote name='Soodmeg']I am not a Steelers fan and I dont think he is over rated. I think he is about where he should be. The guy is a good hard nose QB that can win games with his arm and buy time with his feet. He also can make most every single throw as a QB.

On the other hand I hate Dallas, always have and always will and I wouldnt say that Romo is over rated, more over hyped because he really lives the life of a Dallas QB. He has embraced that whole persona of being the QB for Gods team so he comes off as smug. Though he is a damn good QB. He also can buy loads of time with his feet and can make most any QB throw.

Hell I barely even hear anything about Big Ben on days that the Steelers are not playing where as I cant go a day without hearing about Romo's exploits.


But if you were to flat out ask me which one is better? Big Ben by a long shot.


EDIT: Also, you cant let the fact that Romo chokes harder than a rookie pornstar in the play offs slide......hell Manning was considered a choke artist and he would actually win a couple play off games each year just falling short of the SB. Romo cant even get out of the first round.[/QUOTE]

He's only played 2 Playoff games though. Pretty much still inexperienced. He also plays really shitty in the later half of the season.
 
[quote name='Soodmeg']Damn today was a good day of football. My Titans out there smashing mofo's in the mouth. Lock it up boys, lock it up.

Smash and Dash is the best running combo in the league.

I also like that the G-men lost proving to everyone that they can be beat.[/quote]

I thought the browns proved that? either way i dont think Tom will let that kind of game sit for not even 1 hour. Hixon shoulda had that gimmie.

Im totally given up on Buffalo for good. They need to start fresh and that means Ralph Wilson needs to go somehow than Jauron than Schonert and he can talk Losman with him.
The only thing i have left to root for is 0-16. C'mon Indy! Keep the streak alive.
 
[quote name='pimpinc333']Why do you say "was". Leftwich can still play and he proved that this years filling in for injuried Ben.[/quote]


1 game doesn't prove anything..
 
[quote name='pimpinc333']He's only played 2 Playoff games though. Pretty much still inexperienced. He also plays really shitty in the later half of the season.[/quote]


lmfao.. you can't sit there and talk about how Romo was inexperienced with two playoff games and make fun of Big Ben on the road to the SB only playing only 2 playoff games prior. let your bias shine through ;)
 
[quote name='DJSteel']lmfao.. you can't sit there and talk about how Romo was inexperienced with two playoff games and make fun of Big Ben on the road to the SB only playing only 2 playoff games prior. let your bias shine through ;)[/QUOTE]

You are sorely mistaken to think Ben won you guys that Super Bowl. He was actually a huge liability. The Steelers should have lost that game because of him. Defense won that game and actually the Defense is why they even made it to the Super Bowl. Have you ever checked Ben's seasonal stats? He only had 1 good year and it was last year. His other season's, he is pretty average. I mean hell, the Steelers could pretty much win with any QB at the Helm, they proved that when they played Tommy Maddux ;)

I like when the sports commentaries say "Ben is having an off year". Not really. He is moving on pace to do what he does in just about every season. Just be average. Last year was a fluke. And he proves it with how bad he plays this year. What up Derek Anderson ;)
 
[quote name='pimpinc333']You are sorely mistaken to think Ben won you guys that Super Bowl. He was actually a huge liability. The Steelers should have lost that game because of him. Defense won that game and actually the Defense is why they even made it to the Super Bowl. Have you ever checked Ben's seasonal stats? He only had 1 good year and it was last year. His other season's, he is pretty average. I mean hell, the Steelers could pretty much win with any QB at the Helm, they proved that when they played Tommy Maddux ;)

I like when the sports commentaries say "Ben is having an off year". Not really. He is moving on pace to do what he does in just about every season. Just be average. Last year was a fluke. And he proves it with how bad he plays this year. What up Derek Anderson ;)[/quote]


huge liability?? meanwhile if you look at ALL of the playoff games.. he played a huge part of them even getting to the Super Bowl.. he dismantled the Colts and the Broncos with ease and ON THE ROAD which never happened before. He isn't having a spectacular year but you have to also realize the amount of injuries the OL has had + how bad they've struggled to protect Ben. Also add in the fact they've had the hardest schedule in the league and are 10-3. Last season, Ben had a 104.1 QB rating (which was better than Romo's), threw for over 3,100 yds, and was sacked 47 times. Name another QB that has no OL and still has a rating like that. The Cowboys have a decent OL and have a great RB and have a great WR, TE combo AND your boys play the NFC West and AFC North so what is your excuse?
 
And people always forget that Hines Ward dropped a gimme TD in the Super Bowl right before Ben threw a pick. Not to mention his performances to get them to that point were simply spectacular.
 
Thank goodness others here have memories that Big Ben's performance in the playoffs the year they won it all was a big reason they made it to the big game... We may be biased in our allegiances, but we don't forget a run as special as that...
 
[quote name='DJSteel']one more thing.. Tommy Maddox still has more playoff wins than Romo.[/QUOTE]

#1 Defense in the League wins the Steelers the game. Those wins don't have anything to do with the mediocre offense. It only took Maddux 10 years to get that 1st playoff game win. Once Romo hits that 10 year mark and still hasn't won a playoff game then you can say Maddux this Maddux that.

Here is a typical Pittsburgh fans thinking. "Ben is the best QB ever and Hines Ward is a great WR". I also guess you think Ike Taylor is a good DB as well? All of those are laughable. Especially Hines Ward being a "good" WR.
 
[quote name='primetime']And people always forget that Hines Ward dropped a gimme TD in the Super Bowl right before Ben threw a pick. Not to mention his performances to get them to that point were simply spectacular.[/quote]


those 'people' are dallas fans that think that Romo is the second coming of troy aikman and that Big Ben has nothing to do with the Steelers winning games at all. I.e. they are kidding themselves..
 
[quote name='DJSteel']huge liability?? meanwhile if you look at ALL of the playoff games.. he played a huge part of them even getting to the Super Bowl.. he dismantled the Colts and the Broncos with ease and ON THE ROAD which never happened before. He isn't having a spectacular year but you have to also realize the amount of injuries the OL has had + how bad they've struggled to protect Ben. Also add in the fact they've had the hardest schedule in the league and are 10-3. Last season, Ben had a 104.1 QB rating (which was better than Romo's), threw for over 3,100 yds, and was sacked 47 times. Name another QB that has no OL and still has a rating like that. The Cowboys have a decent OL and have a great RB and have a great WR, TE combo AND your boys play the NFC West and AFC North so what is your excuse?[/QUOTE]

I'll be like you and blame injuries this and injuries that.
 
I am winning in my FF league by 4 points and I still have Williams and Bryant playing tonight.

I want to bench them to clench the win but we have money on the most points scored at the end of the year.



Also, I gave Manning a ton of shit for always choking in the play offs. So did a lot of other people......and as good as Romo is he is no Peyton Manning. So I think his hate is deserved.
 
[quote name='pimpinc333']#1 Defense in the League wins the Steelers the game. Those wins don't have anything to do with the mediocre offense. It only took Maddux 10 years to get that 1st playoff game win. Once Romo hits that 10 year mark and still hasn't won a playoff game then you can say Maddux this Maddux that.

Here is a typical Pittsburgh fans thinking. "Ben is the best QB ever and Hines Ward is a great WR". I also guess you think Ike Taylor is a good DB as well? All of those are laughable. Especially Hines Ward being a "good" WR.[/quote]

I'm not a typical Steeler fan and Maddox played in only 2 playoff games ..same as Romo.. Yes the Steelers win games.. yes they have a great defense.. but their not always the cause and the effect of each other.. like I said before.. Ben had a better QB rating than Romo last year and was sacked almost 2 times more than Romo.. He is a decent QB and Hines is a decent WR.. they aren't world beaters, but none of the Cowboys are either..
 
[quote name='DJSteel']those 'people' are dallas fans that think that Romo is the second coming of troy aikman and that Big Ben has nothing to do with the Steelers winning games at all. I.e. they are kidding themselves..[/QUOTE]

So you honestly think the #1 ranked Defense in the league has nothing to do with the Steelers 10-3 record this season. You're the one whom is kidding himself if you think that.
 
[quote name='pimpinc333']I'll be like you and blame injuries this and injuries that.[/quote]


go ahead.. blame injuries.. Ben had a dislocated shoulder.. Romo had a broken finger..but you can't blame the schedule.. you had a much easier schedule... you can't blame the talent around Romo...
 
[quote name='pimpinc333']So you honestly think the #1 ranked Defense in the league has nothing to do with the Steelers 10-3 record this season. You're the one whom is kidding himself if you think that.[/quote]

I won't say it didn't have a part in it.. but if they didn't have any offense they would have lost more than 3 games..
 
[quote name='DJSteel']I won't say it didn't have a part in it.. but if they didn't have any offense they would have lost more than 3 games..[/QUOTE]

Sure with a D that good, the offense doesn't really need to be all that good. Maybe 15-20 points a game is all they need from that offense.
 
[quote name='DJSteel']I'm not a typical Steeler fan and Maddox played in only 2 playoff games ..same as Romo.. Yes the Steelers win games.. yes they have a great defense.. but their not always the cause and the effect of each other.. like I said before.. Ben had a better QB rating than Romo last year and was sacked almost 2 times more than Romo.. He is a decent QB and Hines is a decent WR.. they aren't world beaters, but none of the Cowboys are either..[/QUOTE]

1 Thing I wanna point out. Sacks have no affect against a QB's Rating. Should be though.

I know your reply will be but Ben had a lot more pressure then Romo and his stats are better. I'll will then reply that Romo can escape Sacks better then anyone in the league right now. Then you will reply back something like Romo can't escape sacks that good. He stinks at it. ;)
 
[quote name='pimpinc333']Sure with a D that good, the offense doesn't really need to be all that good. Maybe 15-20 points a game is all they need from that offense.[/quote]

that might be true on most cases.. but there are times where they have to score more and they can now they have a QB to lead them down the field. If I were the OC for the Dallas I would have ran the ball and the clock out at 13-13 and played for OT.. especially since I knew that the Steelers weren't really playing that well on offense..
 
[quote name='pimpinc333']1 Thing I wanna point out. Sacks have no affect against a QB's Rating. Should be though.

I know your reply will be but Ben had a lot more pressure then Romo and his stats are better. I'll will then reply that Romo can escape Sacks better then anyone in the league right now. Then you will reply back something like Romo can't escape sacks that good. He stinks at it. ;)[/quote]

Romo might be a little more elusive.. but how many times do you see Ben escape a sack by powering through a tackle to get a pass off..

Sacks shouldn't count because it's mostly because the OL sucks..
 
[quote name='DJSteel']Romo might be a little more elusive.. but how many times do you see Ben escape a sack by powering through a tackle to get a pass off..

Sacks shouldn't count because it's mostly because the OL sucks..[/QUOTE]

I just saw 1 yesterday. The other times he went down.
 
Yeah, Pimpin I think you are edging towards the hater side of things. Big Ben is straight cash. He makes plays with the best of them, I dont see where the hate is coming from.

In my opinion he is better than Romo and has already proved it. He has done far more than Romo has with less parts in place on the offense.
 
Big Ben won a Super Bowl, Romo didnt. Enough said. He needs to prove himself in the playoffs, which Big Ben has already done, and Romo has only choked it up. Really is there even an argument here? You are losing credibility by the minute pimpin.
 
[quote name='smiggity']Big Ben won a Super Bowl, Romo didnt. Enough said. He needs to prove himself in the playoffs, which Big Ben has already done, and Romo has only choked it up. Really is there even an argument here? You are losing credibility by the minute pimpin.[/QUOTE]

I was never arguing anything remotely close to whom is better Ben or Tony. I believe everyone else started to make that argument.

My argument was that Ben is overrated and basically an average QB. Also that he wasn't winning the games and it was his defense.

Please read next time before you try and call me out. I'd appreciate it.
 
[quote name='DJSteel']one more thing.. Tommy Maddox still has more playoff wins than Romo.[/quote]


LOL, Rex Grossman has more playoff wins than Romo...

:puke:
 
[quote name='Inf^Shini']Yea, but Grossman is a proven elite QB![/quote]

Yes he is. I can't understand why the Bears don't use him as trade bait....;)

"We're 10-2 and Rex is our QB..." How many times did Lovie say that?
 
[quote name='Chitown021']Yes he is. I can't understand why the Bears don't use him as trade bait....;)

"We're 10-2 and Rex is our QB..." How many times did Lovie say that?[/QUOTE]

Ok. I know everyone can agree with me that the Defense carried that team to the Super Bowl. Anyone disagree?
 
Lovie said that too many times, but I do think Grossman did well for about six games or so then it just went downhill from there

[quote name='pimpinc333']Ok. I know everyone can agree with me that the Defense carried that team to the Super Bowl. Anyone disagree?[/quote]
Of course not, I think they scored more defensive than offensive touchdowns that year :lol:

It was like no matter how bad of a spot Grossman got them in, the defense was able to do enough to squeeze out a victory, except for the actual super bowl game that is...
 
[quote name='pimpinc333']I was never arguing anything remotely close to whom is better Ben or Tony. I believe everyone else started to make that argument.

My argument was that Ben is overrated and basically an average QB. Also that he wasn't winning the games and it was his defense.

Please read next time before you try and call me out. I'd appreciate it.[/quote]


he is overrated.. but I don't think he is average. he is better than average.. and if he is average then whaT doyou consider Romo to be?
 
[quote name='DJSteel']he is overrated.. but I don't think he is average. he is better than average.. and if he is average then whaT doyou consider Romo to be?[/QUOTE]

After last night performance, I consider Romo to be a choke artist.

I put a ton of blame on Romo for losing us that game. That INT for a TD. From what's been said though, Witten ran the wrong route so I can't put all the blame on Romo.

I still consider Romo an above average QB. Since Aikman retired Dallas has struggled to replace him. I think Romo does a decent job compared to the crap we had in there ( Ryan Leaf WTF? )

He plays great in the beginning of the season then he dwindles out just like the whole Cowboys team towards the end. Not sure what it is but the Cowboys can't play ball in December.
 
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