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Wonder what the Wizards are going to do with John Wall AND Gilbert Arenas...
On another note, Lebron needs to leave for the sake of his "legacy." Look what happened to Garnett when he left Minnesota. If he wants to be a champion, he can't let emotions and loyalty get in his way... plus who wouldn't want a bigger stage and a better place to live?[/QUOTE]
they will trade gilbert, or if they keep him, they will start wall at PG and arenas at SG. that would be a nasty backcourt.
Wonder what the Wizards are going to do with John Wall AND Gilbert Arenas...
On another note, Lebron needs to leave for the sake of his "legacy." Look what happened to Garnett when he left Minnesota. If he wants to be a champion, he can't let emotions and loyalty get in his way... plus who wouldn't want a bigger stage and a better place to live?[/QUOTE]
they will trade gilbert, or if they keep him, they will start wall at PG and arenas at SG. that would be a nasty backcourt.
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I agree with both sides, you cant throw an object at a fan but just buying a ticket to a game doesnt give you a free pass on acting like an idiot.
Its a
ing basketball game and you are just "a guy who had a ticket." Stop verbally attacking people because you cant understand that you are just a fan and dont really have a stake in the whether or not the franchise wins or not.
That fan should be banned from the stadium.
Its a
ing basketball game and you are just "a guy who had a ticket." Stop verbally attacking people because you cant understand that you are just a fan and dont really have a stake in the whether or not the franchise wins or not.That fan should be banned from the stadium.
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[quote name='Soodmeg']I agree with both sides, you cant throw an object at a fan but just buying a ticket to a game doesnt give you a free pass on acting like an idiot.
Its aing basketball game and you are just "a guy who had a ticket." Stop verbally attacking people because you cant understand that you are just a fan and dont really have a stake in the whether or not the franchise wins or not.
That fan should be banned from the stadium.[/QUOTE]
Come on. You obviously don'twatch care about any sport teams. The reason people show up to a game is to watch their team win. When you see bogus calls, you get frustrated such as the fan. My guess is the fan was reacting to the bogus calls during the second (i.e. the loose ball foul on Vince when he dived for the ball just like how Pierce dived for it, the technical on Vince for a reaction on the sidelines to witnessing the replay in which clearly showed he did not foul, etc). The fan did not get out of line. He mouthed off and that's it. The ref should of ignored him like players do (outside of the Artest situation, you don't see or hear players getting involved with fans). At least we know the ref will never be allowed into a Wyndham hotel ever again :lol:
Personally, I feel the NBA went easy on him. I think he should have been replaced with a different ref for the rest of the playoffs. The ref's pay should have also been docked to pay for the fans tickets for the night.
Its a
ing basketball game and you are just "a guy who had a ticket." Stop verbally attacking people because you cant understand that you are just a fan and dont really have a stake in the whether or not the franchise wins or not.That fan should be banned from the stadium.[/QUOTE]
Come on. You obviously don't
Personally, I feel the NBA went easy on him. I think he should have been replaced with a different ref for the rest of the playoffs. The ref's pay should have also been docked to pay for the fans tickets for the night.
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[quote name='lordopus99']Come on. You obviously don't watch care about any sport teams. The reason people show up to a game is to watch their team win. When you see bogus calls, you get frustrated such as the fan. My guess is the fan was reacting to the bogus calls during the second (i.e. the loose ball foul on Vince when he dived for the ball just like how Pierce dived for it, the technical on Vince for a reaction on the sidelines to witnessing the replay in which clearly showed he did not foul, etc). The fan did not get out of line. He mouthed off and that's it. The ref should of ignored him like players do (outside of the Artest situation, you don't see or hear players getting involved with fans). At least we know the ref will never be allowed into a Wyndham hotel ever again :lol:
Personally, I feel the NBA went easy on him. I think he should have been replaced with a different ref for the rest of the playoffs. The ref's pay should have also been docked to pay for the fans tickets for the night.[/QUOTE]
No. You can be a fan of a team without being a drunken idiot frat boy. No amount of calls should ever make you get out of your seat and chase down the ref to verbally attack him.
Sit your ass down and watch the game...boo when you see bad calls cheer when your team is winning. People come to the game to see the game not to see you.
Personally, I feel the NBA went easy on him. I think he should have been replaced with a different ref for the rest of the playoffs. The ref's pay should have also been docked to pay for the fans tickets for the night.[/QUOTE]
No. You can be a fan of a team without being a drunken idiot frat boy. No amount of calls should ever make you get out of your seat and chase down the ref to verbally attack him.
Sit your ass down and watch the game...boo when you see bad calls cheer when your team is winning. People come to the game to see the game not to see you.
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[quote name='Soodmeg']No. You can be a fan of a team without being a drunken idiot frat boy. No amount of calls should ever make you get out of your seat and chase down the ref to verbally attack him.
Sit your ass down and watch the game...boo when you see bad calls cheer when your team is winning. People come to the game to see the game not to see you.[/QUOTE]
First off, the fan is the CEO of Wyndham Vacations i.e. not some random frat guy. Secondly, he sits right there so he really didn't go that far out of his seat (being that it was halftime). Lastly, people didn't come to see him. If the ref never threw the ball at him, no one would ever realized he was there.
Players and Officials have a right to maintain order, not create choas.
Sit your ass down and watch the game...boo when you see bad calls cheer when your team is winning. People come to the game to see the game not to see you.[/QUOTE]
First off, the fan is the CEO of Wyndham Vacations i.e. not some random frat guy. Secondly, he sits right there so he really didn't go that far out of his seat (being that it was halftime). Lastly, people didn't come to see him. If the ref never threw the ball at him, no one would ever realized he was there.
Players and Officials have a right to maintain order, not create choas.
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[quote name='lordopus99']First off, the fan is the CEO of Wyndham Vacations[/QUOTE]
That's even more reason not to act like an ass.
That's even more reason not to act like an ass.
Rumor is that the Sixers are willing to trade the #2 Pick. Thats if the other team takes on Elton Brands 3 years 50 million left on his deal.
Chris Bosh via his agent has announced that he is interested in the Lakers, Knicks, Heat, Bulls and Raptors. Expect him to go wherever Lebron James ends up.
Chris Bosh via his agent has announced that he is interested in the Lakers, Knicks, Heat, Bulls and Raptors. Expect him to go wherever Lebron James ends up.
Re: the ref fan thing, I'm with Soodmeg on that one.
Both were douches.
I hate people who go to game and heckle refs, players etc. Just cheer your team on and keep that negativity out of it IMO.
But no place for a ref to acknowledge it, much less throw a ball at a fan etc. They have to be above that.
Both were douches.
I hate people who go to game and heckle refs, players etc. Just cheer your team on and keep that negativity out of it IMO.
But no place for a ref to acknowledge it, much less throw a ball at a fan etc. They have to be above that.
[quote name='dmaul1114']Re: the ref fan thing, I'm with Soodmeg on that one.
Both were douches.
I hate people who go to game and heckle refs, players etc. Just cheer your team on and keep that negativity out of it IMO.
But no place for a ref to acknowledge it, much less throw a ball at a fan etc. They have to be above that.[/QUOTE]
I agree I'm here to watch the game not some dude act like an ass.
Both were douches.
I hate people who go to game and heckle refs, players etc. Just cheer your team on and keep that negativity out of it IMO.
But no place for a ref to acknowledge it, much less throw a ball at a fan etc. They have to be above that.[/QUOTE]
I agree I'm here to watch the game not some dude act like an ass.
[quote name='wildcpac']Chris Bosh via his agent has announced that he is interested in the Lakers, Knicks, Heat, Bulls and Raptors. Expect him to go wherever Lebron James ends up.[/QUOTE]
Damn. I just imagined a team with Derrick Rose, Joakim Noah, Chris Bosh and LBJ. Damn that'd be a good team.
Damn. I just imagined a team with Derrick Rose, Joakim Noah, Chris Bosh and LBJ. Damn that'd be a good team.
[quote name='advanced']Damn. I just imagined a team with Derrick Rose, Joakim Noah, Chris Bosh and LBJ. Damn that'd be a good team.[/QUOTE]
Unless the Bulls are able to get rid of Deng in a sign and trade for LJ or Bosh it's not possible. They only have enough for 1 player.
Salary cap is around 54 million for next year. Bulls have 31 million in contracts on 6 players for next year. LJ would put them at 47 leaving only 7 for Bosh.
Unless the Bulls are able to get rid of Deng in a sign and trade for LJ or Bosh it's not possible. They only have enough for 1 player.
Salary cap is around 54 million for next year. Bulls have 31 million in contracts on 6 players for next year. LJ would put them at 47 leaving only 7 for Bosh.
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[quote name='wildcpac']Expect him to go wherever Lebron James Dwayne Wade ends up.[/QUOTE]
Now it's correct!
Now it's correct!
[quote name='wildcpac']Rumor is that the Sixers are willing to trade the #2 Pick. Thats if the other team takes on Elton Brands 3 years 50 million left on his deal.
Chris Bosh via his agent has announced that he is interested in the Lakers, Knicks, Heat, Bulls and Raptors. Expect him to go wherever Lebron James ends up.[/QUOTE]
please in cleveland. lbj and bosh in cavs jerseys, best pick and roll in the nba
Chris Bosh via his agent has announced that he is interested in the Lakers, Knicks, Heat, Bulls and Raptors. Expect him to go wherever Lebron James ends up.[/QUOTE]
please in cleveland. lbj and bosh in cavs jerseys, best pick and roll in the nba
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[quote name='wildcpac']Unless the Bulls are able to get rid of Deng in a sign and trade for LJ or Bosh it's not possible. They only have enough for 1 player.
Salary cap is around 54 million for next year. Bulls have 31 million in contracts on 6 players for next year. LJ would put them at 47 leaving only 7 for Bosh.[/QUOTE]
I think we would be willing to part with Deng.
Salary cap is around 54 million for next year. Bulls have 31 million in contracts on 6 players for next year. LJ would put them at 47 leaving only 7 for Bosh.[/QUOTE]
I think we would be willing to part with Deng.
[quote name='wwe101']please in cleveland. lbj and bosh in cavs jerseys, best pick and roll in the nba[/QUOTE]
Cavs cannot afford to sign Bosh, it would have to be a sign and trade. I do not think the Raptors want to take Jamison or Mo Williams back.
Dirk Nowitzki is expected to opt out of his contract and become an unrestricted free agent on July 1st.
[/QUOTE]Cavs cannot afford to sign Bosh, it would have to be a sign and trade. I do not think the Raptors want to take Jamison or Mo Williams back.
Dirk Nowitzki is expected to opt out of his contract and become an unrestricted free agent on July 1st.
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It's because the Magic gave up hence the very lack defense. Not to mentioned they also went ice cold on shooting.
and yes, we have been rondo'd. I have been saying it all series... he is your x-factor. We have had no answer for him.
and yes, we have been rondo'd. I have been saying it all series... he is your x-factor. We have had no answer for him.
Just saw the score. Glad I decided not to watch!
I didn't have much hope for the Magic to come out with any intensity given what Carter, Howard etc. were saying in interviews about still feeling good, the team feeling like they were up 2-0 rather than down. Just didn't get that sense of urgency from them.
Probably my biggest gripe with this current Magic team is a lack of maturity.
I didn't have much hope for the Magic to come out with any intensity given what Carter, Howard etc. were saying in interviews about still feeling good, the team feeling like they were up 2-0 rather than down. Just didn't get that sense of urgency from them.
Probably my biggest gripe with this current Magic team is a lack of maturity.
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[quote name='dafoomie']You just got Rondo'd.[/QUOTE]
^
That graphic is awesome and shows exactly what's wrong with NBA these days. Hype over proven success. Celtics were champs 2 years ago, never count them out.
Well the Celtics weren't expected to be in the finals this year but the Celtics and Lakers have appeared in a combined 55ish or so finals out of a total 70 something. I just want to see other teams make it.
That graphic is awesome and shows exactly what's wrong with NBA these days. Hype over proven success. Celtics were champs 2 years ago, never count them out.
Well the Celtics weren't expected to be in the finals this year but the Celtics and Lakers have appeared in a combined 55ish or so finals out of a total 70 something. I just want to see other teams make it.
[quote name='Tony208']It feels like a snorefest now that the usual suspects are en route to the finals (lakers, celtics).[/QUOTE]
To be honest they just played harder than the other teams. I know it sucks if you are not a fan of Boston or L.A. but Rondo has been playing like he should have won the MVP and Kobe is doing what he did last year. You gotta give that Credit to Boston and L.A. No disrespect to any other team in the playoffs.
To be honest they just played harder than the other teams. I know it sucks if you are not a fan of Boston or L.A. but Rondo has been playing like he should have won the MVP and Kobe is doing what he did last year. You gotta give that Credit to Boston and L.A. No disrespect to any other team in the playoffs.
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I am a Magic fan and cannot believe how much better Boston is playing. They definately deserve everything they are accomplishing. It really felt like it was Orlando's year during the second half of the season and first two playoff rounds. I wonder if they'll make some dramatic lineup changes again this year. I am still looking forward to the new arena next year.
[quote name='jbuck138']I am a Magic fan and cannot believe how much better Boston is playing. They definately deserve everything they are accomplishing. It really felt like it was Orlando's year during the second half of the season and first two playoff rounds. I wonder if they'll make some dramatic lineup changes again this year. I am still looking forward to the new arena next year.[/QUOTE]
They've really just run into a team which is playing basketball about as well as it can be played. Tonight in particular, the Celtics defense was just silly. The Magic looked like they were second-guessing before EVERY pass, that's how suffocating it was all night.
Looking at the regular season Magic and Celtics, nobody could have rationally predicted this outcome. And it's not like the Magic hadn't shown up for the playoffs up to now. It's just been a nightmare for them this series.
I know it's funny to point out how wrong the experts were about this series, but I don't think their picks were bad. I've been a Celtics fan my whole life and I thought the Magic would win this series, even after what happened against Cleveland.
A Celtics-Lakers series will no doubt annoy some, but those are the two teams which deserve it. I certainly know the NBA isn't going to complain about their two most storied franchises back in the Finals. (I doubt they're pleased with all the noncompetitive series though)
They've really just run into a team which is playing basketball about as well as it can be played. Tonight in particular, the Celtics defense was just silly. The Magic looked like they were second-guessing before EVERY pass, that's how suffocating it was all night.
Looking at the regular season Magic and Celtics, nobody could have rationally predicted this outcome. And it's not like the Magic hadn't shown up for the playoffs up to now. It's just been a nightmare for them this series.
I know it's funny to point out how wrong the experts were about this series, but I don't think their picks were bad. I've been a Celtics fan my whole life and I thought the Magic would win this series, even after what happened against Cleveland.
A Celtics-Lakers series will no doubt annoy some, but those are the two teams which deserve it. I certainly know the NBA isn't going to complain about their two most storied franchises back in the Finals. (I doubt they're pleased with all the noncompetitive series though)
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[quote name='jbuck138']I am a Magic fan and cannot believe how much better Boston is playing. They definately deserve everything they are accomplishing. It really felt like it was Orlando's year during the second half of the season and first two playoff rounds. I wonder if they'll make some dramatic lineup changes again this year. I am still looking forward to the new arena next year.[/QUOTE]
My guess is they wont. The problem is we rely on the three too much. Also, at times this year including this series, we played with a lack of passion. Until we have a change in coaching style, we will continue to not go beyond this point. We have the right personnel minus the last note... we just arent utilizing them correctly.
- Rashard Lewis should be moved back to his natural position of SF.
- Brandon Bass should be the starting PF.
- Pietrus should convert back to Air France
- Anderson needs to go back to his play at Cal and NJ i.e. playing downlow
- Jason Williams isn't cutting it. We need to secure a good backup point this offseason.
[quote name='tony208']It feels like a snorefest now that the usual suspects are en route to the finals (lakers, celtics). [/QUOTE]
Usual suspects?!?! The Celtics are far from that. This is their first conference finals (outside of their championship season in 08) since 2002. Some of the years in between they didn't even make it out of the first round.
It feels like a snorefest because all of the games of the playoffs (for the most part) have been all blowouts/sweeps.
[quote name='dafoomie']You miss Turkoglu. But I think the biggest difference from last year is the Lewis/KG matchup.
The Cavs and Magic basically built teams to play each other. [/QUOTE]
The biggest difference from last year is how Rondo has stepped up. I don't think KG would have made any difference in last years series since Big Baby played so well. I don't miss Turkalou at all.
Lastly, I disagree with your last statement. Yes, the Cavs built their team to match up with us and the Lakers. But we built our team to try and take it to the next level.
My guess is they wont. The problem is we rely on the three too much. Also, at times this year including this series, we played with a lack of passion. Until we have a change in coaching style, we will continue to not go beyond this point. We have the right personnel minus the last note... we just arent utilizing them correctly.
- Rashard Lewis should be moved back to his natural position of SF.
- Brandon Bass should be the starting PF.
- Pietrus should convert back to Air France
- Anderson needs to go back to his play at Cal and NJ i.e. playing downlow
- Jason Williams isn't cutting it. We need to secure a good backup point this offseason.
[quote name='tony208']It feels like a snorefest now that the usual suspects are en route to the finals (lakers, celtics). [/QUOTE]
Usual suspects?!?! The Celtics are far from that. This is their first conference finals (outside of their championship season in 08) since 2002. Some of the years in between they didn't even make it out of the first round.
It feels like a snorefest because all of the games of the playoffs (for the most part) have been all blowouts/sweeps.
[quote name='dafoomie']You miss Turkoglu. But I think the biggest difference from last year is the Lewis/KG matchup.
The Cavs and Magic basically built teams to play each other. [/QUOTE]
The biggest difference from last year is how Rondo has stepped up. I don't think KG would have made any difference in last years series since Big Baby played so well. I don't miss Turkalou at all.
Lastly, I disagree with your last statement. Yes, the Cavs built their team to match up with us and the Lakers. But we built our team to try and take it to the next level.
[quote name='lordopus99']The biggest difference from last year is how Rondo has stepped up. I don't think KG would have made any difference in last years series since Big Baby played so well. I don't miss Turkalou at all.
Lastly, I disagree with your last statement. Yes, the Cavs built their team to match up with us and the Lakers. But we built our team to try and take it to the next level.[/QUOTE]
Rondo averaged 14/10/8 in the series last year, he's really taken it to the next level now but he was already showing it then.
Big Baby couldn't guard Rashard Lewis last year, Lewis could post him up all day. Their 2nd option was Scalabrine and even he was better at guarding Lewis than Big Baby. This year, KG has totally shut him down.
Turkoglu was a tougher matchup for the Celtics last year, he could create his own shot, create for his teammates, drive to the basket, basically do all the things that Vince Carter isn't doing. Turkoglu completely mailed it in this year for Toronto, but he was a nightmare for the Celtics in that series last year.
I really don't understand why Jameer Nelson isn't attacking the paint aggressively in this series, either.
Lastly, I disagree with your last statement. Yes, the Cavs built their team to match up with us and the Lakers. But we built our team to try and take it to the next level.[/QUOTE]
Rondo averaged 14/10/8 in the series last year, he's really taken it to the next level now but he was already showing it then.
Big Baby couldn't guard Rashard Lewis last year, Lewis could post him up all day. Their 2nd option was Scalabrine and even he was better at guarding Lewis than Big Baby. This year, KG has totally shut him down.
Turkoglu was a tougher matchup for the Celtics last year, he could create his own shot, create for his teammates, drive to the basket, basically do all the things that Vince Carter isn't doing. Turkoglu completely mailed it in this year for Toronto, but he was a nightmare for the Celtics in that series last year.
I really don't understand why Jameer Nelson isn't attacking the paint aggressively in this series, either.
[quote name='lordopus99']My guess is they wont. The problem is we rely on the three too much. Also, at times this year including this series, we played with a lack of passion. Until we have a change in coaching style, we will continue to not go beyond this point. We have the right personnel minus the last note... we just arent utilizing them correctly.
- Rashard Lewis should be moved back to his natural position of SF.
- Brandon Bass should be the starting PF.
- Pietrus should convert back to Air France
- Anderson needs to go back to his play at Cal and NJ i.e. playing downlow
- Jason Williams isn't cutting it. We need to secure a good backup point this offseason.
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Agree with all that.
And in response to an earlier post. I doubt Stan Van Gundy gets the ax, but I don't think the Magic get to the next level with him at the helm.
- Rashard Lewis should be moved back to his natural position of SF.
- Brandon Bass should be the starting PF.
- Pietrus should convert back to Air France
- Anderson needs to go back to his play at Cal and NJ i.e. playing downlow
- Jason Williams isn't cutting it. We need to secure a good backup point this offseason.
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Agree with all that.
And in response to an earlier post. I doubt Stan Van Gundy gets the ax, but I don't think the Magic get to the next level with him at the helm.
[quote name='lordopus99']Howard sure can block other centers. Just saying... The combo of the elite defenders of the Celtics couldn't contain him last night as he went off for 30 points. Just like I mentioned in my post... he had an off night game 1. [/QUOTE]
Good defense doesn't require blocking their shot. And as I said why should Perkins try to block Howard and risk more fouls when he will already be close to foul trouble when he can stop him without trying to block him... I guess Howard had another off night tonight and it had nothing to do with Celtics defense.
[quote name='lordopus99']Because Howard's offensive game is limited to dunks and spin moves. His jump hook is inconsitent, where the legends and current players I listed are. The people I listed all grew as players which Howard really hasn't. He is pretty much the same player he came into the league as. The only thing Howard has developed in getting better with is free throws. He still lacks a jump shot as well. It again has nothing to with Perkins. Perkins for the few minutes he was on the floor last night was worked by Howard. [/QUOTE]
So again why are you bringing up that other players would make shots Howard missed in your defense of Howard? Perkins played Howard based on what Howard can do, not based on what those players can do.
[quote name='lordopus99']He sure didn't. He went crying to the bench. Howard is solid muscle and double his size. If he actually tried something, he would be laid out. Remember he is a little bitch like when he curled up underneath the Miami bench Game 1. [/QUOTE]
... He said Pierce got up like he was ready to do something when Howard did that flagrant. And I responded, "he certainly did". You completely missed the meaning. I meant Pierce responded by raining down shots and playing great defense, he responded by winning the game, which is what a real player should do if they have any smarts to them. The other team resorts to flagrants and instead of getting involved in that crap and losing focus, Pierce put that aggression into his game.
Noticed another flagrant foul by Magic tonight, they have no focus when facing a better team, instead of putting their aggression into their game they do pussy elbow drops and pushes into their own coach too!
Very funny. Pierce's whole arm and neck went numb and he couldn't move. Which is barely talked about, but when Lebron's elbow goes numb it's serious...
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Yeah pussy ball. I get it. In real basketball (i.e. College), it is called a travel every time. Hey let me crawl with the basketball
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You don't like NBA rules, don't watch and complain about it. Go watch college. Like I said they called it the 2nd time despite it not being a travel, and you're still complaining about the first non-call even though you're +1 when you're supposed to be -2. Furthermore, he slipped on the wet court. It wasn't like it was a situation where it helped him.
[quote name='lordopus99']
Other NBA rules that don't exist in real basketball: Jumping into players for fouls (ala Paul Pierce), running over players and getting no called for charge (ala Lebron, etc), fouls when going for loose balls (ala last night foul on Vince), flopping when players are close, and I could go on. The NBA should change their name to the FTA (free throw association). When will David Stern realize that these things are tainting the game? [/QUOTE]
Again don't watch it if it bothers you. I saw more flopping by Magic tonight than the Celtics did in any game this series.
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That wasn't even what I was talking about when I mentioned his acting job. I am talking about the backcourt touch foul when Howard got all ball while trying to strip Pierce. I can only think of 1 to 2 questionable calls against the Celts... I can easily count over 8-10 questionable calls let alone the amount of no calls going on against the Magic. You can't say that the bogus foul on Vince Carter end of second plus his technical for the reaction on the sideline to the replay wasn't the biggest bullsh*t the game of basketball has seen this season.
Yes the magic had an opportunity to close it out but they failed due to Rashard Lewis.
Personally I am glad Howard threw Pierce to the floor. He finally created a foul that was really a foul. A big f'u to the NBA and their refs.[/QUOTE]
I know exactly what you were talking about. Pierce did some good acting (more than he usually does) because he knew the refs would call fouls after that flagrant. Howard created that situation.
The blame lies with Howard. He knows how things work and how calls are made following flagrant fouls. Heed up big time because he put his aggression into an elbow drop instead of into his game.
I agree that Carter call was wrong. Never said otherwise. Not biggest bs this season.
Good defense doesn't require blocking their shot. And as I said why should Perkins try to block Howard and risk more fouls when he will already be close to foul trouble when he can stop him without trying to block him... I guess Howard had another off night tonight and it had nothing to do with Celtics defense.
[quote name='lordopus99']Because Howard's offensive game is limited to dunks and spin moves. His jump hook is inconsitent, where the legends and current players I listed are. The people I listed all grew as players which Howard really hasn't. He is pretty much the same player he came into the league as. The only thing Howard has developed in getting better with is free throws. He still lacks a jump shot as well. It again has nothing to with Perkins. Perkins for the few minutes he was on the floor last night was worked by Howard. [/QUOTE]
So again why are you bringing up that other players would make shots Howard missed in your defense of Howard? Perkins played Howard based on what Howard can do, not based on what those players can do.
[quote name='lordopus99']He sure didn't. He went crying to the bench. Howard is solid muscle and double his size. If he actually tried something, he would be laid out. Remember he is a little bitch like when he curled up underneath the Miami bench Game 1. [/QUOTE]
... He said Pierce got up like he was ready to do something when Howard did that flagrant. And I responded, "he certainly did". You completely missed the meaning. I meant Pierce responded by raining down shots and playing great defense, he responded by winning the game, which is what a real player should do if they have any smarts to them. The other team resorts to flagrants and instead of getting involved in that crap and losing focus, Pierce put that aggression into his game.
Noticed another flagrant foul by Magic tonight, they have no focus when facing a better team, instead of putting their aggression into their game they do pussy elbow drops and pushes into their own coach too!
Very funny. Pierce's whole arm and neck went numb and he couldn't move. Which is barely talked about, but when Lebron's elbow goes numb it's serious...
[quote name='lordopus99']
Yeah pussy ball. I get it. In real basketball (i.e. College), it is called a travel every time. Hey let me crawl with the basketball
[/QUOTE]You don't like NBA rules, don't watch and complain about it. Go watch college. Like I said they called it the 2nd time despite it not being a travel, and you're still complaining about the first non-call even though you're +1 when you're supposed to be -2. Furthermore, he slipped on the wet court. It wasn't like it was a situation where it helped him.
[quote name='lordopus99']
Other NBA rules that don't exist in real basketball: Jumping into players for fouls (ala Paul Pierce), running over players and getting no called for charge (ala Lebron, etc), fouls when going for loose balls (ala last night foul on Vince), flopping when players are close, and I could go on. The NBA should change their name to the FTA (free throw association). When will David Stern realize that these things are tainting the game? [/QUOTE]
Again don't watch it if it bothers you. I saw more flopping by Magic tonight than the Celtics did in any game this series.
[quote name='lordopus99']
That wasn't even what I was talking about when I mentioned his acting job. I am talking about the backcourt touch foul when Howard got all ball while trying to strip Pierce. I can only think of 1 to 2 questionable calls against the Celts... I can easily count over 8-10 questionable calls let alone the amount of no calls going on against the Magic. You can't say that the bogus foul on Vince Carter end of second plus his technical for the reaction on the sideline to the replay wasn't the biggest bullsh*t the game of basketball has seen this season.
Yes the magic had an opportunity to close it out but they failed due to Rashard Lewis.
Personally I am glad Howard threw Pierce to the floor. He finally created a foul that was really a foul. A big f'u to the NBA and their refs.[/QUOTE]
I know exactly what you were talking about. Pierce did some good acting (more than he usually does) because he knew the refs would call fouls after that flagrant. Howard created that situation.
The blame lies with Howard. He knows how things work and how calls are made following flagrant fouls. He
ed up big time because he put his aggression into an elbow drop instead of into his game.I agree that Carter call was wrong. Never said otherwise. Not biggest bs this season.
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[quote name='J7.']Good defense doesn't require blocking their shot. And as I said why should Perkins try to block Howard and risk more fouls when he will already be close to foul trouble when he can stop him without trying to block him... I guess Howard had another off night tonight and it had nothing to do with Celtics defense.[/QUOTE]
Howard as well as the rest of the magic gave up in the first. They checked out after getting beat in Game 2. It is why I shut it off in the second.
[quote name='J7']
So again why are you bringing up that other players would make shots Howard missed in your defense of Howard? Perkins played Howard based on what Howard can do, not based on what those players can do.
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In Game 2 after contact, most centers would have been able to make the shots he had the opportunity to make. It is because Howard is inconsistent with his jump hook. I didn't see more than the first and a little in the second so I really have no clue if Perkins truly had him shut down or not. The few shots Howard missed in those minutes, he had an opportunity to make them but didn't.
[quote name='J7']
... He said Pierce got up like he was ready to do something when Howard did that flagrant. And I responded, "he certainly did". You completely missed the meaning. I meant Pierce responded by raining down shots and playing great defense, he responded by winning the game, which is what a real player should do if they have any smarts to them. The other team resorts to flagrants and instead of getting involved in that crap and losing focus, Pierce put that aggression into his game.
Noticed another flagrant foul by Magic tonight, they have no focus when facing a better team, instead of putting their aggression into their game they do pussy elbow drops and pushes into their own coach too! [/QUOTE]
One flagrant is not considered "resorts to Flagrants". The Game 2 flagrant was a frustration foul. Not sure the prompting on Game 3 as I did not see it.
[quote name='J7']
You don't like NBA rules, don't watch and complain about it. Go watch college. Like I said they called it the 2nd time despite it not being a travel, and you're still complaining about the first non-call even though you're +1 when you're supposed to be -2. Furthermore, he slipped on the wet court. It wasn't like it was a situation where it helped him.
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Will do. I used to be a big fan when growing up. I checked out of it a while back when flopping became regular routine. For the past couple years, I only watch maybe 1 to 2 regular season games and/or when the magic have been in the playoffs (those games). As for college, I watch a ton of games even ones that don't involve my alma mater.
A slippery floor is no excuse. We had plenty of players that slipped on it too i.e. Vince Carter.
It is the responsibility of the refs to keep the floor cleaned.
[quote name='J7']
Again don't watch it if it bothers you. I saw more flopping by Magic tonight than the Celtics did in any game this series.
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In the first two quarters that I watched, I only saw one flop and it was by a Celtic (Big Baby). It was a no call. Thankfully, the refs had that one correct. Granted, the score was lopsided at that point.
[quote name='J7']
I know exactly what you were talking about. Pierce did some good acting (more than he usually does) because he knew the refs would call fouls after that flagrant. Howard created that situation.
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No... it is just Paul Pierce's thing. He plays the "pump fake plan". Pump fakes 2 to 3 times, player gets in air, jump into player, act, foul. As for last night, Vince Carter did the same thing but they didn't allowed continuation like they do the Pierce ones (granted he would have missed the shot).
[quote name='J7']
The blame lies with Howard. He knows how things work and how calls are made following flagrant fouls. Heed up big time because he put his aggression into an elbow drop instead of into his game.
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Game 2 - the Blame was on Rashard Lewis. If he had been involved at all on the defensive side, it wouldn't have came down to 2 missed free throws by Vince (comparison to Nick Anderson) or to the JJ mistake.
As for Game 3, the part I did watch... the blame was on the whole team including the coach. They came out the gate without a sense of urgency. The pre-interviews showed a lack of passion, almost asking when it was going to end. Coaching... they should have changed the game plan completely at this point. Boston has guarded the three the past two games... why continue trying to get it to work and forcing up tough shots.
[quote name='dafoomie']I really don't understand why Jameer Nelson isn't attacking the paint aggressively in this series, either.[/QUOTE]
me either...
Congrats on going to the Finals again. There is no way Game 4 will be exciting at all. I plan not to watch any of it.
Howard as well as the rest of the magic gave up in the first. They checked out after getting beat in Game 2. It is why I shut it off in the second.
[quote name='J7']
So again why are you bringing up that other players would make shots Howard missed in your defense of Howard? Perkins played Howard based on what Howard can do, not based on what those players can do.
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In Game 2 after contact, most centers would have been able to make the shots he had the opportunity to make. It is because Howard is inconsistent with his jump hook. I didn't see more than the first and a little in the second so I really have no clue if Perkins truly had him shut down or not. The few shots Howard missed in those minutes, he had an opportunity to make them but didn't.
[quote name='J7']
... He said Pierce got up like he was ready to do something when Howard did that flagrant. And I responded, "he certainly did". You completely missed the meaning. I meant Pierce responded by raining down shots and playing great defense, he responded by winning the game, which is what a real player should do if they have any smarts to them. The other team resorts to flagrants and instead of getting involved in that crap and losing focus, Pierce put that aggression into his game.
Noticed another flagrant foul by Magic tonight, they have no focus when facing a better team, instead of putting their aggression into their game they do pussy elbow drops and pushes into their own coach too! [/QUOTE]
One flagrant is not considered "resorts to Flagrants". The Game 2 flagrant was a frustration foul. Not sure the prompting on Game 3 as I did not see it.
[quote name='J7']
You don't like NBA rules, don't watch and complain about it. Go watch college. Like I said they called it the 2nd time despite it not being a travel, and you're still complaining about the first non-call even though you're +1 when you're supposed to be -2. Furthermore, he slipped on the wet court. It wasn't like it was a situation where it helped him.
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Will do. I used to be a big fan when growing up. I checked out of it a while back when flopping became regular routine. For the past couple years, I only watch maybe 1 to 2 regular season games and/or when the magic have been in the playoffs (those games). As for college, I watch a ton of games even ones that don't involve my alma mater.
A slippery floor is no excuse. We had plenty of players that slipped on it too i.e. Vince Carter.
It is the responsibility of the refs to keep the floor cleaned.
[quote name='J7']
Again don't watch it if it bothers you. I saw more flopping by Magic tonight than the Celtics did in any game this series.
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In the first two quarters that I watched, I only saw one flop and it was by a Celtic (Big Baby). It was a no call. Thankfully, the refs had that one correct. Granted, the score was lopsided at that point.
[quote name='J7']
I know exactly what you were talking about. Pierce did some good acting (more than he usually does) because he knew the refs would call fouls after that flagrant. Howard created that situation.
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No... it is just Paul Pierce's thing. He plays the "pump fake plan". Pump fakes 2 to 3 times, player gets in air, jump into player, act, foul. As for last night, Vince Carter did the same thing but they didn't allowed continuation like they do the Pierce ones (granted he would have missed the shot).
[quote name='J7']
The blame lies with Howard. He knows how things work and how calls are made following flagrant fouls. He
ed up big time because he put his aggression into an elbow drop instead of into his game.[/QUOTE]
Game 2 - the Blame was on Rashard Lewis. If he had been involved at all on the defensive side, it wouldn't have came down to 2 missed free throws by Vince (comparison to Nick Anderson) or to the JJ mistake.
As for Game 3, the part I did watch... the blame was on the whole team including the coach. They came out the gate without a sense of urgency. The pre-interviews showed a lack of passion, almost asking when it was going to end. Coaching... they should have changed the game plan completely at this point. Boston has guarded the three the past two games... why continue trying to get it to work and forcing up tough shots.
[quote name='dafoomie']I really don't understand why Jameer Nelson isn't attacking the paint aggressively in this series, either.[/QUOTE]
me either...
Congrats on going to the Finals again. There is no way Game 4 will be exciting at all. I plan not to watch any of it.
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[quote name='jlarlee']Howard's jump hook is busted. Not a good thing for the Magic when he shoots it frequently[/QUOTE]
Yeah, I'm just pretty sure at this point that he's never going to have any kind of a consistent offensive game. He's had enough years to develop some kind of consistent post offense beyond dunks. If it hasn't happened I don't see it getting vastly better in the future.
Yeah, I'm just pretty sure at this point that he's never going to have any kind of a consistent offensive game. He's had enough years to develop some kind of consistent post offense beyond dunks. If it hasn't happened I don't see it getting vastly better in the future.
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[quote name='lordopus99']Howard as well as the rest of the magic gave up in the first. They checked out after getting beat in Game 2. It is why I shut it off in the second.
The defense has to be pretty good for you to just give up.
In Game 2 after contact, most centers would have been able to make the shots he had the opportunity to make. It is because Howard is inconsistent with his jump hook. I didn't see more than the first and a little in the second so I really have no clue if Perkins truly had him shut down or not. The few shots Howard missed in those minutes, he had an opportunity to make them but didn't.
I think Perkins will adjust his play based on who he is defending. Perkins has to be doing something right if Howard is missing.
One flagrant is not considered "resorts to Flagrants". The Game 2 flagrant was a frustration foul. Not sure the prompting on Game 3 as I did not see it.
Resorting to flagrants... flagrant by Howard in game 2 and flagrant non-call by Barnes in game 3. Frustration foul lol. If you want to win you have to have focus and not resort to flagrants when you get frustrated. I don't see why you're arguing these points when you did not watch even half of game 2 or 3...
Will do. I used to be a big fan when growing up. I checked out of it a while back when flopping became regular routine. For the past couple years, I only watch maybe 1 to 2 regular season games and/or when the magic have been in the playoffs (those games). As for college, I watch a ton of games even ones that don't involve my alma mater.
You're making a lot of claims for watching very little. I'm surprised by the amount of knowledge you have of players in the league given that.
A slippery floor is no excuse. We had plenty of players that slipped on it too i.e. Vince Carter.
It is the responsibility of the refs to keep the floor cleaned.
My point was that Rondo slipped on wet floor, he didn't fall on his own or fake it and it did not help him.
In the first two quarters that I watched, I only saw one flop and it was by a Celtic (Big Baby). It was a no call. Thankfully, the refs had that one correct. Granted, the score was lopsided at that point.
Watch the whole game. You don't remember Carter's giant flop?
No... it is just Paul Pierce's thing. He plays the "pump fake plan". Pump fakes 2 to 3 times, player gets in air, jump into player, act, foul. As for last night, Vince Carter did the same thing but they didn't allowed continuation like they do the Pierce ones (granted he would have missed the shot).
Yes Pierce does that, he's good at it. But the play we were talking about was when Howard when to strip the ball and had all ball. But this was after Howard resorted to a flagrant. Howard created the situation where any small fouls or near fouls by Magic on Pierce would probably get called, and Pierce knew this so he took advantage of Howard's mistakes.
Game 2 - the Blame was on Rashard Lewis. If he had been involved at all on the defensive side, it wouldn't have came down to 2 missed free throws by Vince (comparison to Nick Anderson) or to the JJ mistake.
As for Game 3, the part I did watch... the blame was on the whole team including the coach. They came out the gate without a sense of urgency. The pre-interviews showed a lack of passion, almost asking when it was going to end. Coaching... they should have changed the game plan completely at this point. Boston has guarded the three the past two games... why continue trying to get it to work and forcing up tough shots.
me either...
Congrats on going to the Finals again. There is no way Game 4 will be exciting at all. I plan not to watch any of it.[/QUOTE]
We weren't talking about whose fault it was for the loss. We were talking about that the blame lies with Howard for that foul being called. Like I said he should know how the game works and how calls are made. The blame for close calls/near fouls laid with Howard because of that flagrant.
The defense has to be pretty good for you to just give up.
In Game 2 after contact, most centers would have been able to make the shots he had the opportunity to make. It is because Howard is inconsistent with his jump hook. I didn't see more than the first and a little in the second so I really have no clue if Perkins truly had him shut down or not. The few shots Howard missed in those minutes, he had an opportunity to make them but didn't.
I think Perkins will adjust his play based on who he is defending. Perkins has to be doing something right if Howard is missing.
One flagrant is not considered "resorts to Flagrants". The Game 2 flagrant was a frustration foul. Not sure the prompting on Game 3 as I did not see it.
Resorting to flagrants... flagrant by Howard in game 2 and flagrant non-call by Barnes in game 3. Frustration foul lol. If you want to win you have to have focus and not resort to flagrants when you get frustrated. I don't see why you're arguing these points when you did not watch even half of game 2 or 3...
Will do. I used to be a big fan when growing up. I checked out of it a while back when flopping became regular routine. For the past couple years, I only watch maybe 1 to 2 regular season games and/or when the magic have been in the playoffs (those games). As for college, I watch a ton of games even ones that don't involve my alma mater.
You're making a lot of claims for watching very little. I'm surprised by the amount of knowledge you have of players in the league given that.
A slippery floor is no excuse. We had plenty of players that slipped on it too i.e. Vince Carter.
It is the responsibility of the refs to keep the floor cleaned.
My point was that Rondo slipped on wet floor, he didn't fall on his own or fake it and it did not help him.
In the first two quarters that I watched, I only saw one flop and it was by a Celtic (Big Baby). It was a no call. Thankfully, the refs had that one correct. Granted, the score was lopsided at that point.
Watch the whole game. You don't remember Carter's giant flop?
No... it is just Paul Pierce's thing. He plays the "pump fake plan". Pump fakes 2 to 3 times, player gets in air, jump into player, act, foul. As for last night, Vince Carter did the same thing but they didn't allowed continuation like they do the Pierce ones (granted he would have missed the shot).
Yes Pierce does that, he's good at it. But the play we were talking about was when Howard when to strip the ball and had all ball. But this was after Howard resorted to a flagrant. Howard created the situation where any small fouls or near fouls by Magic on Pierce would probably get called, and Pierce knew this so he took advantage of Howard's mistakes.
Game 2 - the Blame was on Rashard Lewis. If he had been involved at all on the defensive side, it wouldn't have came down to 2 missed free throws by Vince (comparison to Nick Anderson) or to the JJ mistake.
As for Game 3, the part I did watch... the blame was on the whole team including the coach. They came out the gate without a sense of urgency. The pre-interviews showed a lack of passion, almost asking when it was going to end. Coaching... they should have changed the game plan completely at this point. Boston has guarded the three the past two games... why continue trying to get it to work and forcing up tough shots.
me either...
Congrats on going to the Finals again. There is no way Game 4 will be exciting at all. I plan not to watch any of it.[/QUOTE]
We weren't talking about whose fault it was for the loss. We were talking about that the blame lies with Howard for that foul being called. Like I said he should know how the game works and how calls are made. The blame for close calls/near fouls laid with Howard because of that flagrant.
[quote name='JaxMoney']Magic team is done, they need to break that team up and re-build around Dwight. Jameer Nelson, Vince Carter, Rashard... all disappearing acts and useless.[/QUOTE]
Changes need made, but not a total rebuilding. And I think part of the problem is that the team was built around Howard. Great for defense, but hard on the offense when they're trying to run so much of the offense through a player with such a limited offensive game.
As I said earlier the key is getting a power forward who can score on the floor--be that Bass not riding the pine or trading for someone etc. And the offense needs changed to be more guard oriented with lots of drives, screens to get the shooters open etc.
Dwight's offense will never be great, but the Magic have a team full of perimeter scores who need the offense ran through them--not through getting kickouts when Howard is double teamed. As the Celtics have shown, you don't need to double team him if you have half way decent bigs and a lot of fouls to give.
Changes need made, but not a total rebuilding. And I think part of the problem is that the team was built around Howard. Great for defense, but hard on the offense when they're trying to run so much of the offense through a player with such a limited offensive game.
As I said earlier the key is getting a power forward who can score on the floor--be that Bass not riding the pine or trading for someone etc. And the offense needs changed to be more guard oriented with lots of drives, screens to get the shooters open etc.
Dwight's offense will never be great, but the Magic have a team full of perimeter scores who need the offense ran through them--not through getting kickouts when Howard is double teamed. As the Celtics have shown, you don't need to double team him if you have half way decent bigs and a lot of fouls to give.
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