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It's just frustrating as I'm not sure what the Magic can do personnel wise. They seem to pretty much have all the piece. I guess one thing lacking is a power forward that can score. I thought they were getting that in Brandon Bass--but he seldom saw the court this year for whatever reason.

So it's really a matter of finding a way to get a title with these guys unless they can pull off some twighlight zone deal and trade Lewis, Bass, Pietrus etc. (some combination of players) in a sign and trade deal for Chris Bosh which isn't happening.

Other than that, all they really need is a younger back up point guard. Williams and Johnson don't have much left in the tank and Nelson is injury prone.

So just have to hope for better next year. If not, it may be time to look at a coaching change. I liked Van Gundy, but have been a bit down on him since he fucked the team chemistry by bringing Nelson back in the Finals last year.
 
They need to give Ryan Anderson a chance either in the playoffs or next year. He showed a lot of potential as far as 3 point shooting this year. Don't really know how he's viewed in the lane or defensively though. Anthony Johnson def needs to go.
 
Anderson isn't the answer as they need a power forward who can score inside since Howard is so inconsistent with his post offense.

Anderson is basically another Lewis--tall guy that's really only a 3pt threat.
 
[quote name='dmaul1114']Anderson isn't the answer as they need a power forward who can score inside since Howard is so inconsistent with his post offense.

Anderson is basically another Lewis--tall guy that's really only a 3pt threat.[/QUOTE]

It's funny because Anderson used to be that guy in NJ. Same with Lewis in Seattle. I personally would like to know why Brandon Bass rides the bench. The few times he played this season he showed everything we missed i.e. a guy who hangs around the basket looking for rebounds and post up moves.
 
Yeah, Bass is just a mystery to me.

I'll just chalk it up to more evidence of Van Gundy being a very overrated coach.

Sorry, but he's too defensive focused and defense has long since stopped winning championships in the NBA.
 
[quote name='dmaul1114']Yeah, Bass is just a mystery to me.

I'll just chalk it up to more evidence of Van Gundy being a very overrated coach.

Sorry, but he's too defensive focused and defense has long since stopped winning championships in the NBA.[/QUOTE]

Huh??? So you think the Lakers, Celtics, Magic, Cavs, Spurs, Heat etc.. have all made the Finals with more offense than defense? Please tell me you don't honestly believe that.

If that were the case the Suns would have won one by now
 
Lakers, 2009: 104.7 DRtg - 6th
Celtics, 2008: 98.9 - 1st
Spurs, 2007: 99.9 - 2nd
Heat, 2006: 104.5 - 9th
Spurs, 2005: 98.8 - 1st
Pistons, 2004: 95.4 - 2nd

Champions of the last six seasons. Pattern continues as you go back in time.
 
GO CELTICS! Hell Yes man. I knew they could do this. Shut up all the haters who gave them no respect this season. Rematch time!

[quote name='lordopus99']In all those looks, he had an opportunity to knock it down. I can rattled off names that could have made those shots (Ewing, Hakeem, Bynum, Gasol, Kobe, ...).

Every player has off nights (except maybe Lebron and Kobe). I wouldn't make more into this. I doubt you consider Bargnani an elite defender and he watched Howard go 4 for 11 back in Nov. Or how about Nene as he watched Howard go 1 for 7 back in Jan. I pick these games because Howard wasn't in foul trouble.
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Not sure what you're trying to say. If you're saying Perkins had an opportunity to knock all those looks, I say that it's Dwight Howard and how often does he get blocked? Furthermore, does he have to block him and risk a foul to stop him when he already has to make other fouls and risk foul trouble... if he stops him without risking fouls that's better than going for the block. And if he does have an opportunity to block Howard in all those, then that's another reason it's good defense, Howard shouldn't be forced into shots Perkins has a chance to block every time.

Why are you naming people that would've made shots Howard missed in your defense of Howard? Perkins on Howard is not the same as Perkins on other players. You can't look at how a player plays defense on 1 guy and copy and paste another player into that play.

Lebron and Kobe have off nights, maybe there off nights are still decent though, and if it's mental it's still an off night.

[quote name='Soodmeg']I like how Perice got up like he was about to do something......get the hell out of here Perice.
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He certainly did.

[quote name='lordopus99']are you kidding me ref... so Lewis isn't allowed to try and go for a rebound...these refs are pathetic... first the no call travel on rondo and now this...

For Dafoomie and J7...
Game 2 Howard watch - 17 points on 6 of 7 shooting at half time[/QUOTE]

They called the travel on Rondo the 2nd time even though that's not supposed to be a travel in the NBA. Each player plays better one game to the next, and Perkins only played 15 minutes tonight.
[quote name='dafoomie']Paul Pierce watch - 8 for 14, 26 points (I guess you guys were right, he didn't score 22 again tonight)

Rashard Lewis watch - 5 points[/QUOTE]

[quote name='lordopus99']It really wasnt a foul. He had all ball. It was one of those Paul Pierce acting jobs. Give him the oscar!

Just more fuel about this horrible ref crew... Ref throws ball at fan and asks the fan to be ejected for throwing it back at him. Not to mention they aren't getting the floor cleaned. David Stern... this is unacceptable. The way we are going Orlando wont have enough players to finish the game before Boston fully fouls out.[/QUOTE]

Pierce is smart. What should you do after someone clobbers you with a flagrant... Anyways, the refs made bad calls on both sides, maybe slightly more against Magic this game, but the Magic had every opportunity to win and they lost the game themselves.
 
[quote name='J7.']
Not sure what you're trying to say. If you're saying Perkins had an opportunity to knock all those looks, I say that it's Dwight Howard and how often does he get blocked? Furthermore, does he have to block him and risk a foul to stop him when he already has to make other fouls and risk foul trouble... if he stops him without risking fouls that's better than going for the block. And if he does have an opportunity to block Howard in all those, then that's another reason it's good defense, Howard shouldn't be forced into shots Perkins has a chance to block every time.
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Howard sure can block other centers. Just saying... The combo of the elite defenders of the Celtics couldn't contain him last night as he went off for 30 points. Just like I mentioned in my post... he had an off night game 1.

[quote name='J7']
Why are you naming people that would've made shots Howard missed in your defense of Howard? Perkins on Howard is not the same as Perkins on other players. You can't look at how a player plays defense on 1 guy and copy and paste another player into that play.
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Because Howard's offensive game is limited to dunks and spin moves. His jump hook is inconsitent, where the legends and current players I listed are. The people I listed all grew as players which Howard really hasn't. He is pretty much the same player he came into the league as. The only thing Howard has developed in getting better with is free throws. He still lacks a jump shot as well. It again has nothing to with Perkins. Perkins for the few minutes he was on the floor last night was worked by Howard.

[quote name='J7']
He certainly did.
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He sure didn't. He went crying to the bench. Howard is solid muscle and double his size. If he actually tried something, he would be laid out. Remember he is a little bitch like when he curled up underneath the Miami bench Game 1.

[quote name='J7']
They called the travel on Rondo the 2nd time even though that's not supposed to be a travel in the NBA. Each player plays better one game to the next, and Perkins only played 15 minutes tonight.
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Yeah pussy ball. I get it. In real basketball (i.e. College), it is called a travel every time. Hey let me crawl with the basketball :roll:

Other NBA rules that don't exist in real basketball: Jumping into players for fouls (ala Paul Pierce), running over players and getting no called for charge (ala Lebron, etc), fouls when going for loose balls (ala last night foul on Vince), flopping when players are close, and I could go on. The NBA should change their name to the FTA (free throw association). When will David Stern realize that these things are tainting the game?

[quote name='J7']
Pierce is smart. What should you do after someone clobbers you with a flagrant... Anyways, the refs made bad calls on both sides, maybe slightly more against Magic this game, but the Magic had every opportunity to win and they lost the game themselves.[/QUOTE]

That wasn't even what I was talking about when I mentioned his acting job. I am talking about the backcourt touch foul when Howard got all ball while trying to strip Pierce. I can only think of 1 to 2 questionable calls against the Celts... I can easily count over 8-10 questionable calls let alone the amount of no calls going on against the Magic. You can't say that the bogus foul on Vince Carter end of second plus his technical for the reaction on the sideline to the replay wasn't the biggest bullsh*t the game of basketball has seen this season.

Yes the magic had an opportunity to close it out but they failed due to Rashard Lewis.

Personally I am glad Howard threw Pierce to the floor. He finally created a foul that was really a foul. A big f'u to the NBA and their refs.
 
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[quote name='lordopus99']Howard sure can block other centers. Just saying... The combo of the elite defenders of the Celtics couldn't contain him last night as he went off for 30 points. Just like I mentioned in my post... he had an off night game 1. [/QUOTE]
Perkins got into foul trouble and only played 15 minutes. Rasheed was in foul trouble (as usual) and only played 15 minutes. You should score at least 30 if you get to the line 17 times.

But whatever, as I said the Celtics don't double Howard and as a result they don't give up the open 3's that make Orlando's offense work. They will live with him going off once in a while if his teammates aren't doing shit.
 
I remember saying in the first round how someone else needed to step up and take the ball to the basket or the Magic would have trouble once they hit real competition.
 
[quote name='slickkill77']Huh??? So you think the Lakers, Celtics, Magic, Cavs, Spurs, Heat etc.. have all made the Finals with more offense than defense? Please tell me you don't honestly believe that.

If that were the case the Suns would have won one by now[/QUOTE]

I overstated it a bit. I meant more that you can't coach defense at the expense of offense. The teams winning titles play great defense, but they also had much more balanced offense than the Magic which is reliant on dunks from Howard and 3s from everyone else and little more.

The Magic really need a scoring threat at the PF position, and Bass can provide that. But he doesn't add much to this team on defense since Howard hold's down the paint on his own. Thus Barnes play much more as he's a great defender--but doesn't add much on offense. Mainly another 3 point shooter.

If the Magic want to win a title they have to do two things on offense IMO.

1. Get a scoring threat on the floor at PF to help balance out Howard's inconsistent (and not improving) offense.

2. Get a lot more dribble penetration from Nelson and the 2 guard position. Picking up Carter didn't help much since he spends far too much time camping out for threes rather than attacking the basket.
 
[quote name='dmaul1114']
If the Magic want to win a title they have to do two things on offense IMO.

1. Get a scoring threat on the floor at PF to help balance out Howard's inconsistent (and not improving) offense.

2. Get a lot more dribble penetration from Nelson and the 2 guard position. Picking up Carter didn't help much since he spends far too much time camping out for threes rather than attacking the basket.[/QUOTE]

I think we have number 2. Vince Carter has been the only consistent scorer for us this series. He has been attacking the basket the whole playoffs. JJ Redick has provided good penetration this series as well. The problem with this series is what dafoomie said... most teams double Howard leaving a man open for an easy shot. The Celtics are allowing Howard one on one so they dont care if he score 30 as long as all the 3 point shooters have a hand in their face. We are so use to camping on the line that we aren't used to use screens to get men open (the Howard pick n' roll doesn't count). Watch next game how effectively the Celtics are using screens.

After thinking about it some more, I think I figured my reason on Bass. I think they dont play him because A) he can't shoot a three and B) he stays down low, which would interfere with Howard's play. B would also explain Lewis and Anderson playing as if they are shooting guards.
 
Vince has been driving more in the playoffs, just not as much as we need.

Especially in these two games. If we can't get 3s off we have to penetrate.

Vince is driving, but most of the time keeps taking falling away shots once he drives rather than attacking. JJ penetrates a lot but usually comes back out or just dishes the ball off rather than really attacking the rim and trying to draw fouls etc.

That's definitely part of it with Bass riding the pine.

He doesn't shoot three's and they don't need him in the paint on defense or the boards as Howard can hold those down on his own most of the time. And Bass isn't a great defender outside of the paint, so Barne's and Anderson got the playing time at the 4.

In any case, the offense really needs a retooling next year. Can't live and die by the 3 so much if they're going to win a title. Need a lot more motion and screening as you note. Much less reliance on dumping it in to Howard and hoping for kick outs to open 3s.
 
[quote name='dmaul1114']
In any case, the offense really needs a retooling next year. Can't live and die by the 3 so much if they're going to win a title. Need a lot more motion and screening as you note. Much less reliance on dumping it in to Howard and hoping for kick outs to open 3s.[/QUOTE]

It didn't work for the Suns all those years; it obviously isn't working for us.
 
[quote name='dmaul1114']Vince has been driving more in the playoffs, just not as much as we need.

Especially in these two games. If we can't get 3s off we have to penetrate.

Vince is driving, but most of the time keeps taking falling away shots once he drives rather than attacking. JJ penetrates a lot but usually comes back out or just dishes the ball off rather than really attacking the rim and trying to draw fouls etc.

That's definitely part of it with Bass riding the pine.

He doesn't shoot three's and they don't need him in the paint on defense or the boards as Howard can hold those down on his own most of the time. And Bass isn't a great defender outside of the paint, so Barne's and Anderson got the playing time at the 4.

In any case, the offense really needs a retooling next year. Can't live and die by the 3 so much if they're going to win a title. Need a lot more motion and screening as you note. Much less reliance on dumping it in to Howard and hoping for kick outs to open 3s.[/QUOTE]

I agree, he needs to come hard to the rim and take his beating so that it frees up the outside shooters. I was never really a fan of Lewis's game, I mean, who needs a 6'10 guy jacking up threes and is unable to rebound very well? You already have guards who can do that.
 
[quote name='lordopus99']It didn't work for the Suns all those years; it obviously isn't working for us.[/QUOTE]

Exactly.


[quote name='docvinh']I was never really a fan of Lewis's game, I mean, who needs a 6'10 guy jacking up threes and is unable to rebound very well? You already have guards who can do that.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, he hit a lot of big shots last year--and some this year.

But seriously, it's not what you want out of a 6'10 guy with a max contract. And we're stuck with him as he's untradeable (until maybe the last year of his contract when some team wants a big, expiring contract) as no one else will take on that contract.

We don't need a big guy jacking threes. We need a big guy like Chris Bosh that can score inside and hit the mid range jumper.

And again it seems like Bass could play that role--no where near to Bosh's level, but he can bang as well as knock down short jumpers. Just needs the PT.

In any case, I expect to see some moves made with Barnes, Pietrus, Redick, Anderson, Bass, etc. I'd expect to see a couple of them traded in the off season for either 2 guards or 4s--maybe a younger back up PG.
 
[quote name='wwe101']what an epic choke job by vince yesterday. ive been saying all year that orlando should have kept hedo....[/QUOTE]

He stunk it up on Toronto though, so no way to know if he would have done the same here or repeated last years solid play.
 
[quote name='wwe101']what an epic choke job by vince yesterday. ive been saying all year that orlando should have kept hedo....[/QUOTE]

Hedo was a huge liability on defense. He was also sloppy with his dribbling. Hence, watching him this year and seeing his numbers drop dramatically. Carter is ten times better than Hedo.
 
Magic needs to step it up...

Lakers vs. Suns - Game 2 tonight! Lamar Odom needs to show up again to show up Amare for what he said.
 
[quote name='JaxMoney']Magic needs to step it up...

Lakers vs. Suns - Game 2 tonight! Lamar Odom needs to show up again to show up Amare for what he said.[/QUOTE]
I hate to say it but its over for the Magic. I guess a miracle could happen but, with the way Boston has been playing i doubt it. GO LAKERS!!!!!!!!!!
 
First Ray Allen's family gets mistreated, now Marquis Daniels's stepdad gets tased. In Miami, the Celtics play by play guy had a beer dumped on him while on air after Paul Pierce's game winner. What is up with the state of Florida?
 
This was the first time Phoenix lost back to back games since late January. I'm not surprised that they lost, but I would not have been at all surprised had they won.

I'm pretty sure Phoenix will take game 3. I just hope the Lakers can take one of the 2 games in Phoenix before heading back here. I still say Lakers in 6, but I'll gladly take 4 or 5. :)
 
I am sorry but with all due respect to Lakers and Celtics fans, this has been the worst playoffs ever.

First round had one sweep, two 5 game series, four 6 game series and only 1 game 7 in a series that nobody cared about.

Second round had 3 sweeps and 1 six game series.

Conference Finals. Celtics go back home up 2-0 and the Lakers have kicked the Suns ass all over to go up 2-0.


I personally cannot wait to see the Lakers win their 10th or the Celtics win their 5th title in the past 30 years. No wonder why the NBA lost 200 million every year from 2005-2009 and 400 million in 2010.
 
[quote name='Immortal fWd']I'm sick of Amare. I hope he walks this summer. He demands the max but only plays on one end of the court, and he hasn't even shown up there this series.[/QUOTE]
Indeed, and don't talk shit when you can't back it up.

Who do the Suns sign if Amare walks?
 
Yeah, suns front court including Frye is inexperienced... they'll get 1 back at home at most, but I still have a feeling we're gonna sweep.
 
Amare needs to keep his ass in Phoenix. When he no longer has Nash feeding him perfect passes for easy dunks, and when he plays in a more traditional offense as opposed to running and gunning, the flaws in his game will become way more apparent.
 
http://blogs.forbes.com/sportsmoney/2010/05/the-new-york-knicks-will-get-lebron-james/

A year ago I wrote that the sale of 15% of the Cleveland Cavaliers and operating rights to Quicken Loans Arena to Chinese investors meant LeBron James would bolt Cleveland when he became a free agent. Now I am telling you next season LeBron will be playing for the New York Knicks because this January they became the only franchise that can use their stock as currency.
They cannot pay James with MSG stock because it would violate the league's collective bargaining agreement. But there is nothing to stop James from buying shares of MSG with his money. This would allow James to in essence work for himself and capture the upside in revenue from higher ratings on the MSG RSN, a soon-to-be renovated Madison Square Garden and much higher profits he will bring to these platforms.
 
[quote name='wildcpac']I am sorry but with all due respect to Lakers and Celtics fans, this has been the worst playoffs ever.

First round had one sweep, two 5 game series, four 6 game series and only 1 game 7 in a series that nobody cared about.

Second round had 3 sweeps and 1 six game series.

Conference Finals. Celtics go back home up 2-0 and the Lakers have kicked the Suns ass all over to go up 2-0.


I personally cannot wait to see the Lakers win their 10th or the Celtics win their 5th title in the past 30 years. No wonder why the NBA lost 200 million every year from 2005-2009 and 400 million in 2010.[/QUOTE]

I agree. This has been the worst postseason that I can recall off the top of my head. The one Game 7 that did happen was a blowout.
 
[quote name='pitfallharry219']I agree. This has been the worst postseason that I can recall off the top of my head. The one Game 7 that did happen was a blowout.[/QUOTE]

And in a first round series that nobody outside of Atlanta/Wisconsin cared about.
 
This blog entry sums up Game 2 (magic/celts). I am glad a fan decided to send a letter to commissioner David Stern for his bias referees.
http://ht.ly/17qbiE

[quote name='dafoomie']First Ray Allen's family gets mistreated, now Marquis Daniels's stepdad gets tased. In Miami, the Celtics play by play guy had a beer dumped on him while on air after Paul Pierce's game winner. What is up with the state of Florida?[/QUOTE]

No need to hate on Florida. Marquis Daniels is a thug... Based on the story I read, he sounded like he deserved it. He resisted arrest and therefore took the consequence of being tasered.
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[quote name='mis0']Amare needs to keep his ass in Phoenix. When he no longer has Nash feeding him perfect passes for easy dunks, and when he plays in a more traditional offense as opposed to running and gunning, the flaws in his game will become way more apparent. [/QUOTE]

I agree. I think he would be a bust anywhere else.
 
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[quote name='wwe101']so who you guys think will win the lottery tonight? i will go with either the sixers or wizards, think nets will end up with 3rd pick[/QUOTE]

so are we all going to pretend like i didnt call who would get picks 1-3?:applause: sorry i have to blow up my epenis on this
 
[quote name='lordopus99']No need to hate on Florida. Marquis Daniels is a thug... Based on the story I read, he sounded like he deserved it. He resisted arrest and therefore took the consequence of being tasered. [/QUOTE]
I cared more about our play by play guy getting beer dumped on him while on the air than anything.

The guy was standing up, calling the game (as they all do in his area of the stands, not courtside) and this woman throws things and screams at him for the entire game because he's standing up. Got a beer dumped on him, while on air. Security then took him from his position while on the air and during play. The Miami Heat are a joke.

That other stuff could happen anywhere.


As for the officials, Howard went to the line 17 times, the Celtics had two starters foul out and Rasheed had 5 fouls. What are you complaining about again? Carter should not have been given a T, I agree, but you think Pierce should've for getting pulled down by his face and cut?

Watch Howard's hands in Game 3, he always puts his hands in the face of the defender and never gets called. Thats all well and good, but he took that to another level on the flagrant. Would've been a flagrant 2 in the regular season and KG got suspended in the 1st round for far less than that. I was fine with the way it was called, no suspensions necessary, but that one was pretty obvious.
 
[quote name='wwe101']so are we all going to pretend like i didnt call who would get picks 1-3?:applause: sorry i have to blow up my epenis on this[/QUOTE]

lol

Wonder what the Wizards are going to do with John Wall AND Gilbert Arenas...

On another note, Lebron needs to leave for the sake of his "legacy." Look what happened to Garnett when he left Minnesota. If he wants to be a champion, he can't let emotions and loyalty get in his way... plus who wouldn't want a bigger stage and a better place to live?
 
[quote name='mis0']Amare needs to keep his ass in Phoenix. When he no longer has Nash feeding him perfect passes for easy dunks, and when he plays in a more traditional offense as opposed to running and gunning, the flaws in his game will become way more apparent.[/QUOTE]
Yeah you are probably right, that happened to be the case with Shawn Marion.

It just amazes me how much he is getting payed and what we get for it, he is great offensively but dude doesn't rebound or care to defend. Our best rebounders this season have been Grant Hill and Jason Richardson.

What are the chances of the Suns getting Bosh?
 
[quote name='yukine']Yeah you are probably right, that happened to be the case with Shawn Marion.

It just amazes me how much he is getting payed and what we get for it, he is great offensively but dude doesn't rebound or care to defend. Our best rebounders this season have been Grant Hill and Jason Richardson.

What are the chances of the Suns getting Bosh?[/QUOTE]

??

Shawn Marion is touted as one of the very few people in the league that can guard all 5 positions. That alone makes him more valuable than 90% of the league.


Also, I agree this play off have sucked balls. The game are really boring.
 
[quote name='yukine']Yeah you are probably right, that happened to be the case with Shawn Marion.

It just amazes me how much he is getting payed and what we get for it, he is great offensively but dude doesn't rebound or care to defend. Our best rebounders this season have been Grant Hill and Jason Richardson.

What are the chances of the Suns getting Bosh?[/QUOTE]

http://hoopshype.com/salaries/phoenix.htm

Slim. Salary cap should be around 54 million next year. Suns have close to 40 million in guaranteed contracts for 2011 on 7 players. Around 45 million on 9 players if Hill and Fyre pick up their player options. That leaves 10-14 million and still having to fill the roster with 3-6 guys. Plus I do not think a player wants to sign with a team that's #1 player is going to be 37 next year and the team is pretty much empty the next several years after 2012 when Nash/Richardson deals expire.
 
[quote name='Soodmeg']??

Shawn Marion is touted as one of the very few people in the league that can guard all 5 positions. That alone makes him more valuable than 90% of the league. [/QUOTE]
My point is, he isn't nearly as dominant as he was with Phoenix.

[quote name='wildcpac']http://hoopshype.com/salaries/phoenix.htm

Slim. Salary cap should be around 54 million next year. Suns have close to 40 million in guaranteed contracts for 2011 on 7 players. Around 45 million on 9 players if Hill and Fyre pick up their player options. That leaves 10-14 million and still having to fill the roster with 3-6 guys. Plus I do not think a player wants to sign with a team that's #1 player is going to be 37 next year and the team is pretty much empty the next several years after 2012 when Nash/Richardson deals expire.[/QUOTE]
Way to be realistic, a guy can dream...
 
[quote name='wildcpac']And in a first round series that nobody outside of Atlanta/Wisconsin cared about.[/QUOTE]

I cared about it and I live in Kentucky...but I'm from Milwaukee.

I totally agree though. The playoffs have sucked this year. The amount of time it takes for a series to play out and the amount of sweeps has made it unbearable.
 
[quote name='yukine']My point is, he isn't nearly as dominant as he was with Phoenix.


Way to be realistic, a guy can dream...[/QUOTE]

Marion was dominant with Kidd and Marbury as his point guards, too.

He turned 30 shortly after being traded, and had already played 700+ games and 28000 minutes by that point. For a guy whose game is predicated on extreme athleticism, those are significant benchmarks. While he didn't get some of the fastbreak opportunities he got while on the Suns, his rebounding, steals, and blocks, and turnover peripherals also took a hit in 2008-09, which I would attribute to age.
 
[quote name='Feeding the Abscess']Marion was dominant with Kidd and Marbury as his point guards, too.

He turned 30 shortly after being traded, and had already played 700+ games and 28000 minutes by that point. For a guy whose game is predicated on extreme athleticism, those are significant benchmarks. While he didn't get some of the fastbreak opportunities he got while on the Suns, his rebounding, steals, and blocks, and turnover peripherals also took a hit in 2008-09, which I would attribute to age.[/QUOTE]
Absolutely, I have watched Marion play since he came into the NBA.

Age is definitely a factor, but there is no denying that he became less effective once he left the Suns style of play, and having one of the best PGs in the game dishing it out to him. I think Amare is going lose his effectiveness if he leaves as well.

Amare is younger, but I don't think he is going to be the max player he thinks he is anywhere else but Phoenix, hell he isn't one here either.
 
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