2010-2011 NBA Season Thread

Not sure if I'd rather have Eddie House or Delonte West, there are whispers of interest in both from the Celtics. Delonte's a much more complete player but he comes with a ton of baggage and he'll have a lengthy suspension to start the season.

They both know the system and either one would help a great deal coming off the bench, they desperately need to limit Ray Allen's minutes during the season. If they can pick up one of those two, they just need another big man and they're all done.
 
Delonte played outstanding basketball for the Cavs with the exception of last season. His play seems to be really effected by off-court stuff and unfortunately he'll have a lot of that.
 
[quote name='lordopus99']It's called sarcasm. All these guys are still in their prime. Their offensive points output are down as they now have to share the ball. Outside of Allen prior to the Celtics, both Pierce and Garnett did not really have a true second option so they took their teams where they could by themselves; hence their high points output. All these players still rock 35+ minutes/game unlike other older players "past their prime" such as Shaq (23 min). All the youtube clips were from this past season. It showed off (with the exception of KG) that these guys still play with intensity. Ray Allen's 3 pt game set a Finals record at his "old" age. If you look at most of the shots, he was fairly open i.e. able to run the floor real well. In addition, their point output is even further down with the emergence of Rondo, who gets his points, as well as Perkins, who gets alot of open looks due to his man getting pulled off by either Rondo or Pierce.[/QUOTE]

Why exactly are you using sarcasm that hurts your own argument? You post youtube videos someone put together as your proof they're still in their prime in response to the fact that they've had their worst stats since rookie year and you're claiming you did it to be sarcastic about it yet your standing behind the videos...

Past your prime does not mean you can barely play anymore in comparison to other players. Past your prime means you're no longer playing at your highest level. You seem to be confusing meaning of words with expressions. When making such direct comparisons between previous and current players you should deal with direct meanings not the meaning of expressions.

They score less points and share the ball is not the whole story of being in their prime, especially when they have Rondo distributing the ball to them. When you change your game or cannot execute the same due to your age you're no longer in your prime.

[quote name='lordopus99']
Good work Mr. Watson!
:roll: It was used in response to your post.[/QUOTE]
If it was used as that then you should not be quoting me as the person who posted it. Your point was shrouded due to that.

[quote name='lordopus99']
Sounds like you are backing out of your words. So are you now saying that Miami will set NBA records for most wins in a season next year since you said "little losses"? My personal feelings is that Miami ends up 3rd in the East.[/QUOTE]
I said blowouts against many teams (to clarify for you that means they will blowout the lower teams) and little losses against others (not many losses against the top teams). How does that = claiming Miami will set NBA records for most wins in a season this year. You're bullshitting more each post because your original argument is flawed.

There are 15 teams in the East for example. Roughly half will have a .500+ record. Miami could split all those matchups and all their West .500+ matchups and already they're sub 65 depending on number of games against each team. Throw in some bad games and other problems along the way and they can be below 60 wins easily. I expect them to be above though. The point is their team can be this way for a long time as I had clearly emphasized in my original post about this. And they're only going to get better as time goes on...

[quote name='lordopus99']
Yes it does. Actually the old Big 3 was/is better. This is why. Those guys had been in the league longer at the peak of the career and knew their teams weren't getting better. They knew that wanted to win a championship. These guys checked their egos way prior to them joining together. Yes, Pierce still has an ego but at the same time he checks it at the door with his team when he steps on the court. Wade/Bosh/Lebron haven't checked their egos. Wade really is the only guy but he is also 3 years older and truly played college ball. Bosh paraded around during free agency when everyone or at least I knew the guy was coming to Miami. In addition, he had a film crew following him in his journey. Lebron, on the other hand, creates a show every night by "chalk clapping" and "taking pictures". In addition, he created an hour long special on a 30 second decision. So 2 of 3 guys with egos. Yes, I do believe Lebron will end playing more as a PG but I don't know how Bosh will handle not being the big dog and that is where the disconnect I feel will happen (at least for a year or two before they give up their egos). [/QUOTE]

You're saying how well the Celtics team of 2010 play against the Heat team of 2010 proves that the big 3 of '07 are = to (sorry, you actually claim better than) Miami 3 of '10. That's ignoring 3 years of aging for the Celtics big 3, the Celtics team roster of 2010, and the Miami team roster of 2010.

Another thing you're ignoring about this whole situation is that the Celtics made trades to get those players. Whereas in 2010 the Miami players got together on their own to team up together on 1 team.

[quote name='lordopus99']
There are other people that post in the forum but thanks for the heads up! :applause:[/QUOTE]
Then it shouldn't be too hard to give credit to the correct poster and not make claims that I've said things I haven't. :applause:

I'm done arguing about this because your getting more ridiculous with each post and wasting my time. What you're posting is not adding anything to your original argument.

[quote name='dafoomie']Not sure if I'd rather have Eddie House or Delonte West, there are whispers of interest in both from the Celtics. Delonte's a much more complete player but he comes with a ton of baggage and he'll have a lengthy suspension to start the season.

They both know the system and either one would help a great deal coming off the bench, they desperately need to limit Ray Allen's minutes during the season. If they can pick up one of those two, they just need another big man and they're all done.[/QUOTE]

Damn. Caught between a rock and a hard place. Keep him away from Ray's mom, though I'm sure she wouldn't touch that.
 
[quote name='J7.']Damn. Caught between a rock and a hard place. Keep him away from Ray's mom, though I'm sure she wouldn't touch that.[/QUOTE]

Classy lady like that? Yeah, we'd have nothing to worry about. Gloria James though....

West definitely hit that shit. :lol:
 
How is it that you guys are still talking about that? Christ.


Anyway, so who do you think was the biggest loser in the free agent sweepstakes these year? My vote goes to the Nets, all the money in the world bought you Travis Outlaw for 35 million which is a gross over payment for a still solid guy.

The T-Wolves also seem just to be trying to break their entire franchise for whatever reason.
 
[quote name='J7.']Why exactly are you using sarcasm that hurts your own argument? You post youtube videos someone put together as your proof they're still in their prime in response to the fact that they've had their worst stats since rookie year and you're claiming you did it to be sarcastic about it yet your standing behind the videos...

Past your prime does not mean you can barely play anymore in comparison to other players. Past your prime means you're no longer playing at your highest level. You seem to be confusing meaning of words with expressions. When making such direct comparisons between previous and current players you should deal with direct meanings not the meaning of expressions.

They score less points and share the ball is not the whole story of being in their prime, especially when they have Rondo distributing the ball to them. When you change your game or cannot execute the same due to your age you're no longer in your prime.
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Rondo was not the same player in 07-08 like he is today. Far from it. If these guys were past their prime, answer these questions...
1) How does the team go from 06-07 with a W/L ratio of .293 (24-58) to 07-08 (the year Allen and Garnett made the team) to win a championship with a W/L ratio of .805 (66-16)?
2) How does 08-09 Celtics lose to the Magic (Garnett only player out for Boston; Nelson out for Orlando) in 2nd round of playoffs to come back the next year and slaughter them in ECF when the Magic team got better?

The youtube clips showed that these players still play to the same level you claimed they did in their prime. They all play loads of minutes. Ray Allen still moves well without the ball and still has the great amazing shot form. Paul Pierce is actually better than when you claimed he was in his prime. He slashes the lane better. He creates his own shot. His shot form is alot better; thus shooting percentage up. KG is still a defense monster (see this years ECF). Again, less points does equate to ball sharing (with each other and now Rondo/Perkins). When next year comes around, you will see drops to Lebron, Bosh, and Wade's numbers; are you going to say they are past their prime too. ;)

I said blowouts against many teams (to clarify for you that means they will blowout the lower teams) and little losses against others (not many losses against the top teams). How does that = claiming Miami will set NBA records for most wins in a season this year. You're bullshitting more each post because your original argument is flawed.

There are 15 teams in the East for example. Roughly half will have a .500+ record. Miami could split all those matchups and all their West .500+ matchups and already they're sub 65 depending on number of games against each team. Throw in some bad games and other problems along the way and they can be below 60 wins easily. I expect them to be above though. The point is their team can be this way for a long time as I had clearly emphasized in my original post about this. And they're only going to get better as time goes on...
Well of course they will blow out the Minnesota's of the NBA... the Celtics will, the Magic will, the Bulls will, the Lakers will, the list goes on... Why state the obvious that many others team will do as well...

You're saying how well the Celtics team of 2010 play against the Heat team of 2010 proves that the big 3 of '07 are = to (sorry, you actually claim better than) Miami 3 of '10. That's ignoring 3 years of aging for the Celtics big 3, the Celtics team roster of 2010, and the Miami team roster of 2010.
Yes, my comparison was about 2007-08 Celtics vs 2010-11 Heat. Allen and Garnett took a .293 and took it to a championship the first year they arrived. Rondo wasn't the same Rondo he is today i.e. the three guys did it themselves. I go on record and say the Heat do not pull the same thing. To me, that means these guys TOGETHER are better than those guys TOGETHER. I stand by my comment.

Another thing you're ignoring about this whole situation is that the Celtics made trades to get those players. Whereas in 2010 the Miami players got together on their own to team up together on 1 team.
It doesn't really matter in the great scheme of things. It's still three great players playing for the same team.

On another note, it sounds like Yao Ming's knee still isnt healing. He says he might retire if it doesn't get better soon.
 
[quote name='Bazylik']You're confusing prime time with experience. Those are two very different things.[/QUOTE]

No I am not. Paul Pierce, in particular, is playing better today than any other time in his career. People are more about generalities such as age making that determination. Prime time, to me, can mean that a player plays to that same level or beyond for multiple years.
Allen and Pierce definitely meet that criteria.

Experience is why teams have Ilgauskas, for example, on their team. A guy to help other players gain his experience to make them better. It's why my Magic had Ewing on the team than made him a coach (to help Howard get better). Shaq is an example of a player past his prime. Stephon Marbury is an example of a player past his prime.
 
Assuming that article is true, Lebron sounds like an egotistical ass. Odd, as he always came off as a humble dude in other interviews, appearances, etc...
 
[quote name='SEH']Assuming that article is true, Lebron sounds like an egotistical ass. Odd, as he always came off as a humble dude in other interviews, appearances, etc...[/QUOTE]

You're kidding, right? Only now you think he seems an egotistical ass? Have you been off-planet for the last month? He's got a massive ego, and it's always been evident, even in interviews, that he was trying to craft an image, not be himself.
 
Celtics are talking to Portland about Rudy Fernandez, apparently they're the favorite to acquire him with the Knicks and Bulls also interested.

He'd be a great fit for the C's, good shooter but unselfish, good passer and loves to make plays, quick hands, can't create his own shot off the dribble but can get open off of screens or by running around without the ball and losing his man. Would love to get him as a 6th man.
 
[quote name='strongpimphand']maybe because of this quote:




....I'm sure his long-term girlfriend doesn't like reading that publicly.....[/QUOTE]

You fail at reading comprehension. He never said, "Meet me in my room, we'll fuck". He said upstairs, and the article says right after that he's hosting a party in the nightclub that's where? Wait for it....upstairs.
 
[quote name='dafoomie']Celtics are talking to Portland about Rudy Fernandez, apparently they're the favorite to acquire him with the Knicks and Bulls also interested.

He'd be a great fit for the C's, good shooter but unselfish, good passer and loves to make plays, quick hands, can't create his own shot off the dribble but can get open off of screens or by running around without the ball and losing his man. Would love to get him as a 6th man.[/QUOTE]



his shooting would fit quite well in Coach Pringles Offense. I just do not know if I want the Knicks to give up on Wilson Chandler for him.
 
Sad News in the NBA World. Lorenzen Wright who went missing a week or two ago was found dead today. Media is reporting that there were at at least 1 dozen bullets in his body. Lorenzen Wright had played for the Clippers, Hawks, Memphis and Cavs from 1996-2009.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=5418167

Memphis authorities have found the body of former NBA and University of Memphis basketball player Lorenzen Wright, missing since July 19, a media report said Wednesday.

Law enforcement officials discovered the body of Wright in a wooded area in southeast Memphis, police sources confirmed to the Memphis Commercial Appeal.

Wright was believed to be carrying some amount of cash when he was last seen July 19 in Memphis, and a Collierville police report released Wednesday raised concerns he may be the victim of foul play.

Wright's sister, Savia Archie, told WREG.com in Memphis last Friday that Wright was last seen when he was expected to leave the city, after flying to Memphis to visit friends and his six children.

Wright was expected to drive back to the Atlanta area with his six children and a friend, after leaving his ex-wife's Memphis-area home, the Commercial Appeal reported.

Wright played in college at Memphis and later for the Grizzlies as a pro. He last played in the league for the Cleveland Cavaliers during the 2008-09 season.
 
i've heard that he was shot a dozen times and i've also heard that there was one shot and it appeared self-inflicted. no idea what the truth is.
 
[quote name='Scorch']i've heard that he was shot a dozen times and i've also heard that there was one shot and it appeared self-inflicted. no idea what the truth is.[/QUOTE]


Latest report that I saw was that cops believed it was homicide. Kind of hard to shoot yourself 12 times.


Today is also the 17th anniversary of Reggie Lewis dying. Scary how time flies by.
 
I still remember that day, it was shocking.

The cop that arrived first and gave him mouth to mouth is the same guy that Henry Louis Gates tried to call a racist when he was arrested.
 
Not gonna lie. The news about Lorenzen Wright kind of shook me up a bit. Just yesterday morning I was thinking about how some people watch your house and wait to break in when nobody is home.
We don't know the whole story about Wright but it still freaks me out that there some really fucked up people out there.
 
[quote name='bobo2k4']Not gonna lie. The news about Lorenzen Wright kind of shook me up a bit. Just yesterday morning I was thinking about how some people watch your house and wait to break in when nobody is home.
We don't know the whole story about Wright but it still freaks me out that there some really fucked up people out there.[/QUOTE]


Stephen Jackson just had a home invasion by masked gunmen while his wife was at home.
 
RIP Lorenzen, he was one of the all time greats in U of M History and will always be remembered for his skill, hustle, passion on the court, and love for Memphis. He always worked his tail off on the court.

Met him once and he couldn't have been a nicer guy, signed a U of M shirt for me when I was 11.

I would like to know the full story, he was missing for a long time.
 
[quote name='lordopus99']Rondo was not the same player in 07-08 like he is today. Far from it. If these guys were past their prime, answer these questions...
1) How does the team go from 06-07 with a W/L ratio of .293 (24-58) to 07-08 (the year Allen and Garnett made the team) to win a championship with a W/L ratio of .805 (66-16)?
2) How does 08-09 Celtics lose to the Magic (Garnett only player out for Boston; Nelson out for Orlando) in 2nd round of playoffs to come back the next year and slaughter them in ECF when the Magic team got better?[/QUOTE]

I am not going to argue I am only going to respond to your questions and implications. Rondo's improvement... you had also claimed they were still currently in their prime so with Rondo's improvement since 07-08 that helps prove they are not.

They got much better players. A team's record when they had crap players compared to great players does not have any bearing on whether 3 of the players are equal to 3 other players 3 years later. How do you know their record would not have been even better had they still been in their prime.

Same thing. Them beating Orlando this year has no bearing on whether 3 of their players in 07 were equal/better than 3 players in Miami in 10-11.

[quote name='lordopus99']
The youtube clips showed that these players still play to the same level you claimed they did in their prime. They all play loads of minutes. Ray Allen still moves well without the ball and still has the great amazing shot form. Paul Pierce is actually better than when you claimed he was in his prime. He slashes the lane better. He creates his own shot. His shot form is alot better; thus shooting percentage up. KG is still a defense monster (see this years ECF). Again, less points does equate to ball sharing (with each other and now Rondo/Perkins). When next year comes around, you will see drops to Lebron, Bosh, and Wade's numbers; are you going to say they are past their prime too. ;) [/QUOTE]

The youtube clips are clips created by fans to show their best stuff in a matter of minutes. I do not take that to represent their game throughout the season. Stats and watching them throughout the season are much better representation of that as well as how they hold up in series in terms of energy. Playing lots of minutes is one thing. Playing lots of minutes and still performing is another. Did you notice what happened to Pierce and Allen on offense when they had to guard elites on defense during the playoffs this year? Did you notice Garnett's struggles?

Haha of course they will drop quite a bit. I'd say only Wade is in his prime so far. Lebron is not there yet though with the way he is acting he could certainly start fudging things up. I doubt Bosh is either, but we'll see how he adjusts over time.

[quote name='lordopus99']
Well of course they will blow out the Minnesota's of the NBA... the Celtics will, the Magic will, the Bulls will, the Lakers will, the list goes on... Why state the obvious that many others team will do as well...[/QUOTE]

Exactly. I shouldn't have had to make that response.

[quote name='lordopus99']
Yes, my comparison was about 2007-08 Celtics vs 2010-11 Heat. Allen and Garnett took a .293 and took it to a championship the first year they arrived. Rondo wasn't the same Rondo he is today i.e. the three guys did it themselves. I go on record and say the Heat do not pull the same thing. To me, that means these guys TOGETHER are better than those guys TOGETHER. I stand by my comment.[/QUOTE]

You made the claim that how the Celtics do against them this year will demonstrate how the big 3 of 07 were equal to/better than the big 3 of 10. That's comparing Celtics 10-11 to Miami 10-11. We've already gone over that. I disagree that you can make a comparison based on 3 years later of a different team vs different team.

[quote name='lordopus99']
It doesn't really matter in the great scheme of things. It's still three great players playing for the same team. [/QUOTE]

It matters in that the Celtics management set up their big 3 while the Miami players set up theirs. Management's job is to acquire players, players job is to play. You can help recruit, but this was way beyond that. You act like the Celtics had pulled the same thing (in the way they pulled it off and player skill) that Miami did when I ridiculed James for what he did.

Now I'd really just like to stop talking about this. You can have the last say if you need it.
 
[quote name='wildcpac']
Wright was believed to be carrying some amount of cash when he was last seen July 19 in Memphis, and a Collierville police report released Wednesday raised concerns he may be the victim of foul play.
[/QUOTE]

Really? What was their first clue?

This is a really tragic story. I just hope the first shot is the one that killed him, not the twelfth.
 
Kid is rumored to have had a ton of beers, sodas and every curse word in the book said to him/thrown at him.


Eddie House signs a 1 year 2.8 million dollar deal with the cHeat.
 
He's a decent role player, no one will expect him to contribute much. Oh, and it was a 2 year deal from what I saw, not one.

By the way, I think your "c" key is stuck. That or you just need to grow up.
 
[quote name='perdition(troy']He's a decent role player, no one will expect him to contribute much. Oh, and it was a 2 year deal from what I saw, not one.

By the way, I think your "c" key is stuck. That or you just need to grow up.[/QUOTE]

Eddie House is the most worthless greatest player ever. He is basically like a crappier version of Derek Fisher.

He only plays like what? 10 min a game and but there is a 40% chance that in that 10 min he will hit 5 three balls out of nowhere.

I am loving this Heat team, its like a video game with them. I havent seen a management legitimately try to put together a championship team like this in my lifetime. Once people stop being so butt hurt by Bron they will see that The Heat and Pat are the smartest mother fuckers in all of Pro Sports right now.

Getting the 3 superstars was one thing...getting this collection of legit and logical role players to support them is another. This is genius level management and if they win even 1 championship Pat will go into the Hall of Fame as the greatest GM of all time. (although he has like 7 already which means he is a shoe in anyway) The fact that they have management their money so well over the last 3 years and continue to do so its astounding. Meanwhile you have people blowing their wads on Darko, Joe Johnson, Amir Johnson and many others.

Quick shout out to the Lakers because they are doing a pretty good job themselves. They are not getting any hype because they already had many of their stars in place.


Wildcpac, dude seriously...how old are you? I hope to god you are not over 15 because if you are let me tell you...its not even internet funny or clever, Human to Human its embarrassing and pathetic. Please, please let this kid be 15ish so at least he has a legit excuse.
 
[quote name='Soodmeg']
I am loving this Heat team, its like a video game with them. I havent seen a management legitimately try to put together a championship team like this in my lifetime. [/QUOTE]

I hate them since they're stuck in the same division as my Magic!

But yeah, I've been super impressed by how they've filled up the roster. So much for it being the big 3 and a bunch of scrubs!
 
Seeing that video gets me really excited for when the Heat play the Cavs in Cleveland. That place is going to be rockin'.
 
[quote name='SEH']Seeing that video gets me really excited for when the Heat play the Cavs in Cleveland. That place is going to be rockin'.[/QUOTE]


They are going to have to put up bullet proof glass around the court. Have the National Guard, etc etc etc throughout the whole arena. If some Kid can get beer dumped on him by dozens of people, be cursed off by thousands and have to be escorted out of the Indians game by the Police for his own safety last night for wearing a cHeat #6 Jersey. Just imagine how James is going to be treated.
 
I hope they show pregame so you see him throwing chalk and taking pictures in front of them :lol:

I feel bad for the baseball fan but he should know that it is a sore subject in Cleveland. Common sense would tell you not to wear that jersey this soon.
 
[quote name='wildcpac']They are going to have to put up bullet proof glass around the court. Have the National Guard, etc etc etc throughout the whole arena. If some Kid can get beer dumped on him by dozens of people, be cursed off by thousands and have to be escorted out of the Indians game by the Police for his own safety last night for wearing a cHeat #6 Jersey. Just imagine how James is going to be treated.[/QUOTE]
Could be their only sellout of the year, as long as LeBron doesn't pull a Clemens and skip the game.
 
[quote name='dafoomie']Could be their only sellout of the year, as long as LeBron doesn't pull a Clemens and skip the game.[/QUOTE]


They were discussing on PTI on whether or not the Heat should keep LBJ out of the game. If he were to see that video from the Baseball game, he can magnify that by 100000000 on the treatment he is going to receive. That might want to make him stay home in Miami.
 
Celtics have signed Von Wafer to a 1 year deal for the vet minimum.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/427003-nba-free-agency-celtics-sign-veteran-wafer-to-1-year-deal

[quote name='wildcpac']They are going to have to put up bullet proof glass around the court. Have the National Guard, etc etc etc throughout the whole arena. If some Kid can get beer dumped on him by dozens of people, be cursed off by thousands and have to be escorted out of the Indians game by the Police for his own safety last night for wearing a cHeat #6 Jersey. Just imagine how James is going to be treated.[/QUOTE]

I'm sure Lebron has enough of his own body guards judging by what he has when he goes out to a family dinner :lol: Lebron better get himself a helicopter. I want to see him have to be flown out of the arena on live tv.
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Damnit the image has been blocked, I had the ending scene for Contra. This other one will have to suffice.
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[quote name='Soodmeg']
Getting the 3 superstars was one thing...getting this collection of legit and logical role players to support them is another. This is genius level management and if they win even 1 championship Pat will go into the Hall of Fame as the greatest GM of all time. (although he has like 7 already which means he is a shoe in anyway) The fact that they have management their money so well over the last 3 years and continue to do so its astounding. Meanwhile you have people blowing their wads on Darko, Joe Johnson, Amir Johnson and many others.
[/QUOTE]

Once they got Lebron and Bosh they didn't have to do much else to get what they wanted, it was pretty much guaranteed.
 
[quote name='wwe101']season opener. heat @ cavs:D[/QUOTE]

Thats actually smart. They want to get the bloodshed out of the way. I prefer that over have the game later on in the year and the tension building up by the press.
 
[quote name='Xevious']Thats actually smart. They want to get the bloodshed out of the way. I prefer that over have the game later on in the year and the tension building up by the press.[/QUOTE]

only thing is that lebitch will find some excuse not to show up to that game. he will prolly say he had a family emergency or he will fake an injury or something of that nature.:lol:
 
Wwe, I thought you heard?!? LeBron is still experiencing that nasty nasty elbow injury he sustained between free throws back in the playoffs. He might miss a few games throughout the season, and will definitely be in rehab for the season opener against the Cavs.

Tough break, I know. He wants to see home again real soon and is mad that te rehab is going to stop him, but he has to think about his talents and all.
 
They're interviewing the guy that wore the LeBron Heat jersey to the Indians game on ESPN. Says he'll be at the Cavs-Heat game in Cleveland with the jersey.
 
[quote name='dafoomie']They're interviewing the guy that wore the LeBron Heat jersey to the Indians game on ESPN. Says he'll be at the Cavs-Heat game in Cleveland with the jersey.[/QUOTE]

What an attention whore. What's worse though is ESPN is giving this guy TV time.
 
[quote name='SEH']What an attention whore. What's worse though is ESPN is giving this guy TV time.[/QUOTE]

Why wouldn't they? They gave the original guy who did this an hour long special. The other, non-famous guy is just a copy cat.
 
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