2010-2011 NBA Season Thread

Only issue with the Nets getting Deron is that they aren't guaranteed that he would stay if he opts out of his contract, so if he ends up leaving, Nets are screwed. It's been a pretty crazy last few days.
 
well they have a 1 1/2 years to work out a deal with Williams. They are using Williams to attract more Free Agents to the Nets. With more players attracted...they are hoping williams buys in to it and stays. I think he will stay. The nets will pay him a max contract and then will try and make a play for Dwight or someone else depending on the cap space....
 
depending on the CBA, chances are the Nets will offer him the most money. And he is still tradeable next season if he agrees to an extension. After striking out on the fee agent market they need to get a star
 
Nets are banking on the franchise tag from the NFL to make an appearance in the new CBA coming up. But then again, D Will may buy in on his own and get some others there.

Hey Orlando, we'll throw Thabeet in that deal if you want. Deal is more toward the cheapness of Memphis owner Michael Heisley. We won't be able to sign both Z Bo and Marc in the offseason so I think the deal would work well for both teams. Z Bo does tons of charity stuff around here and the Memphis community would hate Wallace and Heisley if he got traded so the deal will most likely not happen. Unfortunately, its probably the best thing the Grizzlies could do. Unless those rumors of the Jazz possibly sending Al Jefferson the Grizzlies way are true.

And apparently the Gerald Wallace deal to Portland is almost finalized.
 
[quote name='lordopus99']They play completely different positions. I guarantee though if someone was starting a real team they would take Williams easily over Carmelo. As stated earlier, there are very few good PGs in the NBA but there is an over abundance of good SFs in the NBA. Carmelo plays zero defense which takes his stock way down in my opinion.[/QUOTE]

This isn't really true nowadays. There are a lot of good PGs in the NBA. Off the top of my head there is: Williams, Rose, Rondo, Westbrook, Paul. These right here are five great young PGs and this is not to mention the older PGs that are still playing well like Billups, Nash, and Kidd.

As far as small forward you obviously have the likes of James and Durant with Carmelo. Small Forward is pretty thin compared to Point Guard. I find it hard to believe that Williams would be an easy choice over Melo for a GM given that choice. I personally think that Williams is easily among the top 2 or 3 PGs in the NBA right now. I consider Anthony to be a top 5 player in the NBA.

A lot of people seem to be selling Anthony short. Yes he really doesn't play defense but he scores as well as anyone in the league and his game is as well rounded as anyones. Players of Anthony's level don't come around often.
 
[quote name='bg88']This isn't really true nowadays. There are a lot of good PGs in the NBA. Off the top of my head there is: Williams, Rose, Rondo, Westbrook, Paul. These right here are five great young PGs and this is not to mention the older PGs that are still playing well like Billups, Nash, and Kidd.
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Kidd's a stretch...I will give you Felton for his play this year. Beyond that... ???

SFs you got tons of guys besides who you named... Gay, Granger, Odom, Pierce, Hedo, Josh Smith, Gerald Wallace, Deng, Artest, Iguodola... just to name a few... Again a lot more options.

I consider Anthony to be a top 5 player in the NBA.
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Just like I mentioned before... there is no way he is better than James, Bryant, Wade, Howard, Rose, Paul, Gasol, .... I can keep going. Anyone would rather have those guys than Anthony... there is a reason why in fantasy world he is ranked #44. :roll:

Melo is overrated. Plain and Simple. He fits the NY mold perfectly in that (see Stevie Franchise, Stephon Starbury, Tracy T-Mac McGrady, Eddy I'm Big Boned Curry, etc).

[quote name='themaster24']And apparently the Gerald Wallace deal to Portland is almost finalized.[/quote]
Living here in Charlotte, I can tell you if he gets dealt people will hate the Bobcats even more than they currently do. He is the heart and soul of this franchise. It is probably why the deal has been cooled down. Jordan doesn't want to sink this franchise anymore than it is.
 
[quote name='lordopus99']Kidd's a stretch...I will give you Felton for his play this year. Beyond that... ???

SFs you got tons of guys besides who you named... Gay, Granger, Odom, Pierce, Hedo, Josh Smith, Gerald Wallace, Deng, Artest, Iguodola... just to name a few... Again a lot more options.



Just like I mentioned before... there is no way he is better than James, Bryant, Wade, Howard, Rose, Paul, Gasol, .... I can keep going. Anyone would rather have those guys than Anthony... there is a reason why in fantasy world he is ranked #44. :roll:

Melo is overrated. Plain and Simple. He fits the NY mold perfectly in that (see Stevie Franchise, Stephon Starbury, Tracy T-Mac McGrady, Eddy I'm Big Boned Curry, etc).


Living here in Charlotte, I can tell you if he gets dealt people will hate the Bobcats even more than they currently do. He is the heart and soul of this franchise. It is probably why the deal has been cooled down. Jordan doesn't want to sink this franchise anymore than it is.[/QUOTE]

You really are helping me prove my point that there are a lot more good/great PGs than SFs in the NBA this year. I could name off a ton of average or decent PGs like you did with SFs (I forgot to mention Pierce earlier) to prove my point as well. Like I said PG as a position is a lot stronger than SF.

You keep saying Melo is overrated, which is fine since that is your opinion. The list of players you keep saying are much better than Melo is hilarious. I think that there could be 4 or maybe 5 players that I think are better than Melo such as Durant, Kobe, James, Wade, and maybe Howard. But Gasol, Paul, Rose being way better than Melo is laughable. Gasol is the most offensive of those players you listed. Absolutely no one would rather have Pau Gasol than Carmelo Anthony, the same thing goes with possibly a few other names you mentioned.

I take it you don't follow the NBA much because if you did you would realize how terrible an idea it is to use fantasy numbers to gauge how good a player is. I hope you don't see these fantasy numbers and think Carmelo is the 44th best player in the NBA or anywhere close to that number.

Judging by that logic Brandon Lloyd is one of the best receivers in the NFL and Michael Vick is a better QB than Tom Brady....:roll:
 
[quote name='bg88']You really are helping me prove my point that there are a lot more good/great PGs than SFs in the NBA this year. I could name off a ton of average or decent PGs like you did with SFs (I forgot to mention Pierce earlier) to prove my point as well. Like I said PG as a position is a lot stronger than SF.

You keep saying Melo is overrated, which is fine since that is your opinion. The list of players you keep saying are much better than Melo is hilarious. I think that there could be 4 or maybe 5 players that I think are better than Melo such as Durant, Kobe, James, Wade, and maybe Howard. But Gasol, Paul, Rose being way better than Melo is laughable. Gasol is the most offensive of those players you listed. Absolutely no one would rather have Pau Gasol than Carmelo Anthony, the same thing goes with possibly a few other names you mentioned.

I take it you don't follow the NBA much because if you did you would realize how terrible an idea it is to use fantasy numbers to gauge how good a player is. I hope you don't see these fantasy numbers and think Carmelo is the 44th best player in the NBA or anywhere close to that number.

Judging by that logic Brandon Lloyd is one of the best receivers in the NFL and Michael Vick is a better QB than Tom Brady....:roll:[/QUOTE]

Eh, you could say that about Gasol 3 years ago, but I would bet a lot of people would rather have him ahead of Melo. There's no doubt I would rather have Howard or Chris Paul instead of Melo too, but yeah, his fantasy ranking really has no bearing on his actual value, I still think he's a top ten player.
 
[quote name='dmaul1114']Jesus. Maybe the Magic do need another trade if they can't beat the Kings at home. :bomb:[/QUOTE]

not only that but the Kings didn't have Tyreke Evan
 
Another trade made... Atlanta trades Bibby, Evans, Jordan Crawford, their 1st round pick this year for Washington's Hinrich and Armstrong.

[quote name='bg88']You really are helping me prove my point that there are a lot more good/great PGs than SFs in the NBA this year. I could name off a ton of average or decent PGs like you did with SFs (I forgot to mention Pierce earlier) to prove my point as well. Like I said PG as a position is a lot stronger than SF. [/quote]
How did you feel that? Have you even watched the NBA for the past 5 years??
Let me introduce you to a few of them...
Rudy Gay - He carries his team averaging 20pts, 6 boards, 2 steals, 1 block
Danny Granger - He carries his team averaging 21pts, 5 boards
Lamar Odom - He plays backup yet averages close to a double double; he is a huge mismatch for most SFs due to how quick he is for his size.
Josh Smith - one of the best defenders; the guy is pure athletism. Averaging 17pts, 9 boards, 1.5 steals, 1.7 blocks.
Gerald Wallace - another top defender with huge athletism carrying his team. Averaging 16pts, 8 boards, 1 steal, 1 block
Ron Artest - the best defender not named Howard

You keep saying Melo is overrated, which is fine since that is your opinion. The list of players you keep saying are much better than Melo is hilarious. I think that there could be 4 or maybe 5 players that I think are better than Melo such as Durant, Kobe, James, Wade, and maybe Howard. But Gasol, Paul, Rose being way better than Melo is laughable. Gasol is the most offensive of those players you listed. Absolutely no one would rather have Pau Gasol than Carmelo Anthony, the same thing goes with possibly a few other names you mentioned.
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I guess you haven't seen the Lakers since acquiring Gasol. This year alone he is averaging 19pts, 10.5 boards, 2 blocks. He is a power forward who has a great jumpshot and good ball handling skills yet can bang hard down low i.e. hard to find a guy like that (outside Garnett and Duncan, I can't think of another; they both are on the downswing of their careers). In addition he is a great defender.

Derrick Rose... to help you out, the Baby Bulls grew up due to this guy. He is the midseason MVP for a reason (claimed by many analysts). Here is his last two games points wise... 32 and 42. He averages 9 assists on the season.

Chris Paul is easily the new Steve Nash with stronger defense. The dude plays with mostly scrubs (a decent PF in West and that is all) yet the team looks pretty competitive (currently #5 in the West). It is all due to him. Here is last nights stats for you... 19pts, 10 assists, 6 boards, 3 steals, 2 TOs.

You should pay attention to the NBA better.

I take it you don't follow the NBA much because if you did you would realize how terrible an idea it is to use fantasy numbers to gauge how good a player is. I hope you don't see these fantasy numbers and think Carmelo is the 44th best player in the NBA or anywhere close to that number.

Judging by that logic Brandon Lloyd is one of the best receivers in the NFL and Michael Vick is a better QB than Tom Brady....:roll:
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I was using his fantasy value to just add more crap about how overrated he is. I felt that way when he was at Syracuse to even this day. He can score and that is it. Besides that, he does NOTHING for a team. He doesn't make guys around him good. He allows the guy he defends to have scoring highs due to his lack defense.

PS Michael Vick played way better than Tom Brady last year. Prior to Vick starting, Philly looked terrible; offense was stagnant. After Vick, the best high powered offense in all the NFL. That's what Vick did for that team.

Lastly, I do follow the NBA seeing teams that play my Magic when they are on TV. I make it to pro games at least 3 times a season. If I didn't follow the NBA, I also wouldn't be leading the CAG league I am in by almost 15 points in a rotisserie league only making 5 moves so far on the season (all at the beginning of the year). I didn't grab for a Melo; I grabbed for your "offensive player" in Pau Gasol instead with my high pick. ;)
 
[quote name='thefallingscream']I don't understand that Atlanta trade. I thought those guys were good players.[/QUOTE]

Essentially as I see if it...
Hinrich is an upgrade for Bibby. They give up Evans but I don't think he was even getting more than 15 minutes a game playing behind guys like Joe Johnson, Josh Smith, Jamal Crawford, Marvin Williams. So Atlanta upgrades its starting 5 and still keeps its major backups.
 
in a trade that makes zero sense to Oklahoma City... they trade Jeff Green and Nenad Krstic for Kendrick Perkins... Boston just got that much better. Lucky bastards...

other trade news...
- Gerald Wallace goes to Portland Joel Przybilla and a 2nd round pick (time for Jordan's head)
- Shane Battier goes to Memphis for Hashaam Thabeet
 
Also Aaron Brooks is headed to PHX for a deal that involves Goran Dragic. There are a few other smaller deals as well.

Didn't think that Wallace deal was going to go through... WTF Bobcats

IMO the Perkins trade does not help the Thunder offensively but it flows through Durant and Westbrook anyway. However, They may have just become the best defensive team in the West. PG Westbrook SG Thabo SF Durant PF Ibaka C Perkins. If that Perkins knee holds up, these west playoffs may be more exciting than previously anticipated.

It also gives the C's even more scoring off the bench but WTF if the O'Neals don't get healthy?

Tony the Clippers and Cavs trade makes sense for both teams. Cavs are trying to bank on draft this year not on talent that was not winning. While I don't think it'll even be a good draft, it shows that Gilbert will spend (Davis' contract) for picks. The Clips get even more cap room for a potential big free agent later and IMO thats a great move with Gordon, Griffin, and Jordan on the rise. The other LA team is now a destination where a big FA could make a huge difference. Again though from Baron's perspective it sucks because the guys around him had him playing better ball. Now he has to prove his worth in Cle or he won't be doing anything in a couple years.
 
I'm familiar with all of those Small Forwards you listed. You are listing decent SFs.....along with Lamar Odom who almost never plays at SF. You also listed Ron Artest who hasn't done anything for the Lakers this year. I'm not 100% sure on Josh Smith but doesn't he primarily play PF as well? Either way you are stretching with this list. I still know without a doubt that PG is stronger than SF. I think you're the one who needs to pay attentiion to the NBA.

As for Gasol I'm still sticking with what I said. I would take Anthony over Gasol in a heartbeat, if for no other reason that Gasol is getting up there in years and Anthony is in the prime of his career. I've seen Paul play (watched some of his game last night, don't need you to show me his stats) and he is a great player.

As for Derrick Rose, I really don't need you to show me his stats. I'm a Bulls fan and I love Rose. I think he is in the MVP mix and currently the best PG in the NBA (barely). I saw every minute of him dominating the Spurs before the all star break and I saw him take over the 4th quarter last night and almost lift the Bulls to a win by himself. I think Rose is a top 10 player already but I wouldn't put him ahead of Anthony right now.

I watch a ton of NBA games which you don't seem to believe. Just last night I watched the entire Bulls/Raptors game as well as some of the Hornets/Clippers, and parts of the Thunder/Spurs when I could. I watch at least some of almost every prime time NBA that I can. I watch a lot of TNT's coverage every week. I follow the NBA very closely so forgive me if I'm not intimidated or impressed by your current fantasy status.

P.S. Michael had a better season than Tom Brady........really. Really?
 
Still going for the Thunder this season, as being a Celtics bandwagoner as well, I don't see why they shipped off Perk for Green. :/
 
[quote name='bg88']I'm familiar with all of those Small Forwards you listed. You are listing decent SFs.....along with Lamar Odom who almost never plays at SF. You also listed Ron Artest who hasn't done anything for the Lakers this year. I'm not 100% sure on Josh Smith but doesn't he primarily play PF as well? Either way you are stretching with this list. I still know without a doubt that PG is stronger than SF. I think you're the one who needs to pay attentiion to the NBA.

As for Gasol I'm still sticking with what I said. I would take Anthony over Gasol in a heartbeat, if for no other reason that Gasol is getting up there in years and Anthony is in the prime of his career. I've seen Paul play (watched some of his game last night, don't need you to show me his stats) and he is a great player.

As for Derrick Rose, I really don't need you to show me his stats. I'm a Bulls fan and I love Rose. I think he is in the MVP mix and currently the best PG in the NBA (barely). I saw every minute of him dominating the Spurs before the all star break and I saw him take over the 4th quarter last night and almost lift the Bulls to a win by himself. I think Rose is a top 10 player already but I wouldn't put him ahead of Anthony right now.

I watch a ton of NBA games which you don't seem to believe. Just last night I watched the entire Bulls/Raptors game as well as some of the Hornets/Clippers, and parts of the Thunder/Spurs when I could. I watch at least some of almost every prime time NBA that I can. I watch a lot of TNT's coverage every week. I follow the NBA very closely so forgive me if I'm not intimidated or impressed by your current fantasy status.

P.S. Michael had a better season than Tom Brady........really. Really?[/QUOTE]


I don't think you really are getting it though, Melo doesn't make the people around him better....Derrick Rose does.

Melo might put up more points, but Rose is by far the better player, its not even close. Are you sure you watch the NBA?
 
Derrick Rose might overtake Carmelo Anthony as the most overrated player in the NBA pretty soon. Rose isn't very efficient, and the turnaround for the Bulls is better explained by defense (Thibodeau's defensive scheme revolves around the 3-5 spots shutting down the paint). The on/off splits for Rose aren't very impressive. If he beats out LeBron for MVP, that will be highway robbery.

Anywho, now everybody gets to see how fat Melo is, now that he's in a Knick jersey. Congrats New York! You traded for a less athletic 'Nique. Knicks are better this season, but long term, that trade will turn out to be a disaster.

PS - anyone who thinks it's laughable that Chris Paul is better than Carmelo Anthony (and by a mile, no less) doesn't know anything about basketball. Pace-adjusted, he's put up numbers that would make Magic Johnson and John Stockton blush.
 
[quote name='Feeding the Abscess']Derrick Rose might overtake Carmelo Anthony as the most overrated player in the NBA pretty soon. Rose isn't very efficient, and the turnaround for the Bulls is better explained by defense (Thibodeau's defensive scheme revolves around the 3-5 spots shutting down the paint). The on/off splits for Rose aren't very impressive. If he beats out LeBron for MVP, that will be highway robbery.

Anywho, now everybody gets to see how fat Melo is, now that he's in a Knick jersey. Congrats New York! You traded for a less athletic 'Nique. Knicks are better this season, but long term, that trade will turn out to be a disaster.

PS - anyone who thinks it's laughable that Chris Paul is better than Carmelo Anthony (and by a mile, no less) doesn't know anything about basketball. Pace-adjusted, he's put up numbers that would make Magic Johnson and John Stockton blush.[/QUOTE]

Please explain to me a little better how Rose isn't very efficient? You must be a Heat fan huh?
 
[quote name='bg88']I'm familiar with all of those Small Forwards you listed. You are listing decent SFs.....along with Lamar Odom who almost never plays at SF. You also listed Ron Artest who hasn't done anything for the Lakers this year. I'm not 100% sure on Josh Smith but doesn't he primarily play PF as well? Either way you are stretching with this list. I still know without a doubt that PG is stronger than SF. I think you're the one who needs to pay attentiion to the NBA.[/quote]

In LA:C and Miami, Odom outright played at the 3. Currently he gets thrown into both mixes due to Pau playing some Center. So I will give you that.
Atlanta's current starting lineup is...
PG - Mike Bibby (well now Hinrich)
SG - Joe Johnson
SF - Josh Smith
PF - Al Horford
C - Jason Collins
Though Josh does sometimes play at the 4 when Marvin gets on the floor.

Also, Ron Artest is doing just fine like he has done. Just because someone isn't a great scorer (even though he threw it down last night) doesn't make them a bad/decent player. Defense wins Basketball games... ask Phoenix about that ;)

Calling these guys decent is why I state you don't know Basketball.

As for Derrick Rose, I really don't need you to show me his stats. I'm a Bulls fan and I love Rose. I think he is in the MVP mix and currently the best PG in the NBA (barely). I saw every minute of him dominating the Spurs before the all star break and I saw him take over the 4th quarter last night and almost lift the Bulls to a win by himself. I think Rose is a top 10 player already but I wouldn't put him ahead of Anthony right now.
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MVP stands for Most Valuable Player i.e. Uno #1 the BestEST. Midway through the season countless number of people have said if the season ended today he would be it... now explain how that makes him out of the top 5 players in the NBA??

P.S. Michael had a better season than Tom Brady........really. Really?
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Yes. He started the season as backup to Kevin Kolb (still with lost confidence from losing his career). Kolb goes down 1st game on the season and he steps in almost as if he was still vintage Vick (zero rust). Kolb got better and Vick went back to the bench for 4 weeks essentially (losing confidence). He then came back and just dominated Vick style (i.e. defenses had to spy on him at all times; sometimes with two men). The offense was the most dominant in the NFL. God help you if he had space (hence most of his touchdowns).

Tom Brady, on the other hand, just stayed Tom Brady. Able to stand in a pocket for hours since New England has the best o-line in the NFL. He had quality proven receivers to catch balls. Vick didn't have anywhere close to the best o-line to protect him... ask Kolb how he felt behind them. This reason alone is why I think Vick had a better season because he had to do more for the success of his team.
 
[quote name='Prepster']Please explain to me a little better how Rose isn't very efficient? You must be a Heat fan huh?[/QUOTE]

Not a Heat fan.

Derrick Rose's ORtg (points produced per 100 possessions) is 111. League average is 107. Point guards with a better ORtg:

Chris Paul: 124
Steve Nash: 122
Chauncey Billups: 120
Beno Udrih: 117
Deron Williams: 116
Tony Parker: 114
Steph Curry: 114
Kyle Lowry: 112
Jose Calderon (tied): 111
 
[quote name='Prepster']I don't think you really are getting it though, Melo doesn't make the people around him better....Derrick Rose does.

Melo might put up more points, but Rose is by far the better player, its not even close. Are you sure you watch the NBA?[/QUOTE]

I'm sorry but it is close. I think it's close I just believe that Anthony is a little better RIGHT NOW. I'm not saying Rose can't be the better player at some point. In a couple years I think Rose could potentially be a better player than Carmelo.

Rose's improvement just from last season is remarkable. If he is able to keep up this level of play or close to it (I hope so) he could definitely turn out to be a better player. I'm just saying Carmelo has been a great player for a handful of years now. Rose has been great for a couple years and is obviously at an MVP level this season.

I like to think that I can look at the Bulls and Rose with a certain amount of objectivity considering I'm a big fan....I'm not sure if you are doing so.

But apparently I don't watch the NBA, guys like Kenny Smith and Charles Barkley who think similarly to myself about Carmelo apparently must not watch basketball either.
 
[quote name='bg88']I'm sorry but it is close. I think it's close I just believe that Anthony is a little better RIGHT NOW. I'm not saying Rose can't be the better player at some point. In a couple years I think Rose could potentially be a better player than Carmelo.

Rose's improvement just from last season is remarkable. If he is able to keep up this level of play or close to it (I hope so) he could definitely turn out to be a better player. I'm just saying Carmelo has been a great player for a handful of years now. Rose has been great for a couple years and is obviously at an MVP level this season.

I like to think that I can look at the Bulls and Rose with a certain amount of objectivity considering I'm a big fan....I'm not sure if you are doing so.

But apparently I don't watch the NBA, guys like Kenny Smith and Charles Barkley who think similarly to myself about Carmelo apparently must not watch basketball either.[/QUOTE]


Why did you highlight one part of what I said to you. Melo scores more, but doesn't make the rest of his team better because of it.

People like Lebron James are great players, but if you were to take him off the Heat, they would still be a great team. You take Derrick Rose off the Chicago Bulls and they would be an average to below average team. Derrick Rose makes his teammates better.
 
[quote name='Feeding the Abscess']Not a Heat fan.

Derrick Rose's ORtg (points produced per 100 possessions) is 111. League average is 107. Point guards with a better ORtg:

Chris Paul: 124
Steve Nash: 122
Chauncey Billups: 120
Beno Udrih: 117
Deron Williams: 116
Tony Parker: 114
Steph Curry: 114
Kyle Lowry: 112
Jose Calderon (tied): 111[/QUOTE]

You do realize there is a lot more to Rose than him scoring right? Like I said to the other poster, Rose makes his teammates better. MVP is for most valuable player, not most points scored per 100 possessions player btw.
 
[quote name='Prepster']You do realize there is a lot more to Rose than him scoring right? Like I said to the other poster, Rose makes his teammates better. MVP is for most valuable player, not most points scored per 100 possessions player btw.[/QUOTE]

Points produced per 100 possession includes assists, turnovers, and offensive rebounds, in addition to scoring.

Rose's DRtg (points allowed per 100 possessions) is 103. Which is good. However, the Bulls, as a team, average 100. He was similarly well below his team average in his first two seasons, as well. On/off splits have the Bulls up 6.2 per 48 with Rose on the floor, and up 2.4 with him off the floor. LeBron and the Heat? Up 10.0 on the floor, up 0.3 off the floor. Chris Paul? On: up 5.7. Off? Down 7.9. Nash? On: up 5.2. Off: down 15.2.

Not a massive fan of on/off splits, but seriously. Rose is improved this season over his first two, but to argue that he's the best PG in the league or worthy of MVP is way off-base.
 
[quote name='Prepster']Why did you highlight one part of what I said to you. Melo scores more, but doesn't make the rest of his team better because of it.

People like Lebron James are great players, but if you were to take him off the Heat, they would still be a great team. You take Derrick Rose off the Chicago Bulls and they would be an average to below average team. Derrick Rose makes his teammates better.[/QUOTE]

I only highlighted that one part of your post because it stood out to me the most. You are absolutely right about how the Bulls wouldn't be a very good team without Rose.

LeBron James is the best player in the NBA and you are telling me that the Heat would still be a GREAT team without him......
 
Hey guys not trying to say we're not on topic because of course the MVP race is an important factor. (I think its between D Rose and LBJ this year with Dirk a distant 3rd.)

That being said, we need to figure out WTF just happened in the NBA. The Thunder just became a great defensive team that already had an incredible closer. The Celtics, if the O'Neals are not healthy, gave up their advantage on the inside compared to the Heat. They also gave up the guy that guards Dwight Howard. This move IMO just completely shifted the playoffs for both conferences.

Is it worth giving up another shot at the title or did Ainge feel that floor spacing and shooting are more important than Perkins' D? Because the Celtics do now have even more outside shooting than before.
 
We got Erden and Luke Harangody now! lol when i saw the c's play a while ago gody got some big minutes and I was not impressed at all. I like him and hope he succeeds in the league but meh. Not all that great. Erden on the other hand, I think he can be a good player in the short and long term. I've really been liking what I've seen from him this season.

As for the Baron Davis trade... Glad we got another potentially top 5 draft pick, but this draft is kind of lacking. It's a move in the right direction, but I guess only time will tell.

As far as the C's.... :shock: The fuck were these trades for? Don't get me wrong I like Green and think he'll be great with Boston, but can't say I like him enough to give up Perk. As far as OKC I think they'll be really good coming out of the west with this trade. Maybe even a legitimate contender. Very interesting day in the NBA to say the least.
 
[quote name='lordopus99']in a trade that makes zero sense to Oklahoma City... they trade Jeff Green and Nenad Krstic for Kendrick Perkins... Boston just got that much better. Lucky bastards...

other trade news...
- Gerald Wallace goes to Portland Joel Przybilla and a 2nd round pick (time for Jordan's head)
- Shane Battier goes to Memphis for Hashaam Thabeet[/QUOTE]

I fail to see how the Celtics got better from that trade, they gave up their best defender for two bench players. Kendrick Perkins was a vital part in the Celtics post-season success, and without him, I fail to see how they stop the Lakers and possibly the Magic. This move was geared more towards beating the Heat than anything else.
 
Wow, Dwyane Wade... that was the biggest flop I've seen in a long time. Carlos Boozer didn't even touch the guy, but he sold it like he got bowled over by a fucking linebacker.
 
[quote name='llPunisherll']I fail to see how the Celtics got better from that trade, they gave up their best defender for two bench players. Kendrick Perkins was a vital part in the Celtics post-season success, and without him, I fail to see how they stop the Lakers and possibly the Magic. This move was geared more towards beating the Heat than anything else.[/QUOTE]

Best Defender on the team *cough* is easily Rondo by a mile.

Perkins was just a big body. That's really all he did. Howard still got his during the series. As for the Lakers, they have two strong big men (Gasol and Bynum). Perkins and Garnett's killer elbow wasn't going to stop those two. Boston still has bodies to put in the middle to take fouls. That's all they can do.

Adding Green gives a legit scorer off the bench, i.e. the Big 3 can finally get some rest, which was missing.

[quote name='themaster24']The Celtics, if the O'Neals are not healthy, gave up their advantage on the inside compared to the Heat.[/quote]
To Joel Anthony and Z :rofl:
 
[quote name='lordopus99']Best Defender on the team *cough* is easily Rondo by a mile.

Perkins was just a big body. That's really all he did. Howard still got his during the series. As for the Lakers, they have two strong big men (Gasol and Bynum). Perkins and Garnett's killer elbow wasn't going to stop those two. Boston still has bodies to put in the middle to take fouls. That's all they can do.

Adding Green gives a legit scorer off the bench, i.e. the Big 3 can finally get some rest, which was missing.[/QUOTE]

I have to disagree there, Perkins was easily the best defender on the team followed by KG, not Rondo. [As a note here, I live by the mentality 'Stats are for losers'.] You could stick Perk on the floor against any team, and he would pretty much keep his assignment from breaking out for a big game.

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[quote name='62t']Having Green probably prolong the career of big three. Plus he can fill in for anyone of them if they are hurt[/QUOTE]

I believe the shelf-life of the big three will expire after next season, at which point they'll most likely have to rebuild the Celtics around Rondo. At least Green will be able to grow into a role here in Boston.
 
What a win... tied at 89, Rose drives, and Wade leaves Luol Deng wide open for the 3. Deng didn't even have to move. I guess that phantom foul they called Boozer for earlier knocked all the sense out of D-Wade.
 
As a Magic fan I'm happy to seen Perkins gone. He tended to do the best guarding Howard, and now he's gone and that's one less big body to put out to foul him.
 
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To Joel Anthony and Z :rofl:[/QUOTE]

Ah playing it nice for a while I guess won't cut it. You've seen quite a few people question what you were thinking.

I was saying the Celts had a distinct advantage inside with Perkins and Garnett. Now with Perkins gone, the advantage is not as noticeable if the O'Neals aren't healthy against the Heat or really anyone else. (As in the Heat don't really have any big men but every one else does out of the contenders BOS, MIA, CHI, ORL) I guess we'll see how your thinking will pan out the rest of this season and the postseason. Wonder how the Celts would've fared tonight with Perkins in the lineup.

Edit: 62t IMO that trade guarantees the Celts will be in the postseason for many years with a core of Rondo, Green, and an aging Pierce. But was that trade worth giving up one more shot at a title? We'll see how everything flows more toward the end of the regular season but, Doc Rivers said it himself that starting five never lost a series.
 
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Hmm. Can't tell if the Nuggets looked good or the Celtics looked bad. Understandable given the circumstances though. Nuggets scare me come playoff time, real deep team. Interested to see how the Celtics play when they put their full roster together.
 
[quote name='Matt Young']Wow, Dwyane Wade... that was the biggest flop I've seen in a long time. Carlos Boozer didn't even touch the guy, but he sold it like he got bowled over by a fucking linebacker.[/QUOTE]

Lmao, don't forgot when Boozer lightly tapped Bosh on the face, and Bosh flew back about 10 feet from pretty much a ph

But once again the crowd at the game was great. Another big win for the Bulls against a top team. I believe that makes them 5-4 against the top 5 in the league. The Heat....1-7? Don't really see how they can compete for a championship when they can't win against the other contenders.
 
[quote name='thamaster24']Ah playing it nice for a while I guess won't cut it. You've seen quite a few people question what you were thinking.

I was saying the Celts had a distinct advantage inside with Perkins and Garnett. Now with Perkins gone, the advantage is not as noticeable if the O'Neals aren't healthy against the Heat or really anyone else. (As in the Heat don't really have any big men but every one else does out of the contenders BOS, MIA, CHI, ORL) I guess we'll see how your thinking will pan out the rest of this season and the postseason. Wonder how the Celts would've fared tonight with Perkins in the lineup.

Edit: 62t IMO that trade guarantees the Celts will be in the postseason for many years with a core of Rondo, Green, and an aging Pierce. But was that trade worth giving up one more shot at a title? We'll see how everything flows more toward the end of the regular season but, Doc Rivers said it himself that starting five never lost a series.[/QUOTE]

Perk strained his MCL against Golden State and was set to sit for the next three games, so he wouldn't have been in the lineup anyhow.

I hate the move but maybe Danny Ainge is working on something. I hope so.
 
[quote name='lordopus99']Best Defender on the team *cough* is easily Rondo by a mile.

Perkins was just a big body. That's really all he did. Howard still got his during the series. As for the Lakers, they have two strong big men (Gasol and Bynum). Perkins and Garnett's killer elbow wasn't going to stop those two. Boston still has bodies to put in the middle to take fouls. That's all they can do.

Adding Green gives a legit scorer off the bench, i.e. the Big 3 can finally get some rest, which was missing. [/QUOTE]
Perk is the best post defender in the game. Howard "getting his" while Perkins is guarding him by himself, and allowing the rest of the team to focus on their shooters is what disrupts Orlando's entire offense.

I understand why Ainge made the deal but I don't know if I agree with it. Its success will depend on the health of Shaq, and I don't like those odds. Even if he's healthy he'll get eaten alive trying to guard Howard. They'll have Kristic but he's a finesse center, jump shooter. Its a very bold move, they're different now but not necessarily better.

The Celtics offense tends to get stagnant in the 4th quarter, and when Posey was here they'd go small with Garnett at the 5 and spread the floor, Green allows them to do that again. Posey could also lock down Kobe and LeBron, Green's an OK defender but he can't do what Posey did. Its interesting that Seattle's return for the Ray Allen trade is now back in Boston though (Green and Delonte).

They might be thinking of making a run at Dwight Howard in 2012 with all that money coming off the books, I guess having Perkins signed long term wouldn't make sense then, but you have to think about this year first. It was certainly a great trade for Hijack City though, they have a much better chance of knocking off the Lakers now.

We'll see who gets bought out, they've got 3 roster spots open. Troy Murphy's name is out there, Leon Powe too.
 
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[quote name='Prepster']Why did you highlight one part of what I said to you. Melo scores more, but doesn't make the rest of his team better because of it.

People like Lebron James are great players, but if you were to take him off the Heat, they would still be a great team. You take Derrick Rose off the Chicago Bulls and they would be an average to below average team. Derrick Rose makes his teammates better.[/QUOTE]

Just like when he left the cavs, right?

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