2010-2011 NBA Season Thread

[quote name='llPunisherll']I have to disagree there, Perkins was easily the best defender on the team followed by KG, not Rondo. [As a note here, I live by the mentality 'Stats are for losers'.] You could stick Perk on the floor against any team, and he would pretty much keep his assignment from breaking out for a big game.[/QUOTE]

Really... that now explains Howard going for 32 points and 16 boards in Game 4 last year... Perkins is just a big body, which most centers in the NBA are not big. It will be even more apparent in OKC. As for last years series, the reason why Boston won on defense was Garnett taking Lewis out of the series. Period.

As for Rondo... That's why he is second in steals, most guards don't go off on him, and he is all over the floor.

[quote name='dafoomie']Perk is the best post defender in the game. Howard "getting his" while Perkins is guarding him by himself, and allowing the rest of the team to focus on their shooters is what disrupts Orlando's entire offense.[/quote]
Dwight Howard is hands down the best post defender in the game. That's why he has won the Best Defensive Player trophy the past couple years and on his way to most likely another.

[quote name='themaster24']Ah playing it nice for a while I guess won't cut it. You've seen quite a few people question what you were thinking.

I was saying the Celts had a distinct advantage inside with Perkins and Garnett. Now with Perkins gone, the advantage is not as noticeable if the O'Neals aren't healthy against the Heat or really anyone else. (As in the Heat don't really have any big men but every one else does out of the contenders BOS, MIA, CHI, ORL) I guess we'll see how your thinking will pan out the rest of this season and the postseason. Wonder how the Celts would've fared tonight with Perkins in the lineup.[/quote]

You stated the Celtics vs the Heat. I found it laugable since Perkins would be guarding Joel Anthony. Without Perkins, Joel Anthony will still do nothing but rebound and block. In all, no advantage is lost. As for Orlando and Chicago, you never brought them up. For those teams, yes you lost a big body but they still have 3 centers to take fouls on Howard/Noah/Bynum/etc. That's all they need. Perkins didn't get it done last year vs Howard, Gasol/Bynum so it doesn't matter.

As for my thinking... those Denver Nuggets with the "NY jokes" sure beat the shit out of Boston last night still rocking the Big 4 All-Stars.
 
[quote name='lordopus99']As for my thinking... those Denver Nuggets with the "NY jokes" sure beat the shit out of Boston last night still rocking the Big 4 All-Stars.[/QUOTE]

Wow, lordpusspuss sure proved everyone wrong based on his almighty fantasy stats :roll:. No one said the 4 players the Knicks sent are "NY jokes", and no one said the Nuggets all of a sudden suck now. They're a deep team. I still stand by my opinion of Billups > Felton. The 4 Knicks are good players, I love those guys, but the Knicks got the 2 best players in the trade.
 
[quote name='madbst']Wow, lordpusspuss sure proved everyone wrong based on his almighty fantasy stats :roll:. No one said the 4 players the Knicks sent are "NY jokes", and no one said the Nuggets all of a sudden suck now. They're a deep team. I still stand by my opinion of Billups > Felton. The 4 Knicks are good players, I love those guys, but the Knicks got the 2 best players in the trade.[/QUOTE]

The Knicks got the two best players right now, true. Then again, I'd still argue that Felton is at least as good as Billups. People can make whatever excuces they want...it's the system, it's the players around him, etc...Felton was still having an All-Star caliber season (17 points, 9 assists, 2 steals). Yeah, his shooting percentage was dropping recently, but that's because he was playing nearly 39 minutes a game, due to the fact that Douglas is not a true point guard. For the rest of the season, that's really gonna cause an issue, because there's no way Billups is gonna play 39 minutes a game, not in that system. Then again, this season really doesn't matter anyway, because the Knicks are still a lower seed team, considering their lack of depth and lack of size upfront.

No matter what happens now or in the future, I'll still contend that the Knicks would have been better off staying put, getting knocked out in the 1st round like they are going to anyway, and build with what they have (minus Chandler and maybe Felton, depending on the next season went and who was available). That Knick roster with a legitimate defensive-stopper center and a quality back-up point guard could have been quite good. Now, we'll never know.
 
[quote name='bigdaddybruce44']The Knicks got the two best players right now, true. Then again, I'd still argue that Felton is at least as good as Billups. People can make whatever excuces they want...it's the system, it's the players around him, etc...Felton was still having an All-Star caliber season (17 points, 9 assists, 2 steals). Yeah, his shooting percentage was dropping recently, but that's because he was playing nearly 39 minutes a game, due to the fact that Douglas is not a true point guard. For the rest of the season, that's really gonna cause an issue, because there's no way Billups is gonna play 39 minutes a game, not in that system. Then again, this season really doesn't matter anyway, because the Knicks are still a lower seed team, considering their lack of depth and lack of size upfront.

No matter what happens now or in the future, I'll still contend that the Knicks would have been better off staying put, getting knocked out in the 1st round like they are going to anyway, and build with what they have (minus Chandler and maybe Felton, depending on the next season went and who was available). That Knick roster with a legitimate defensive-stopper center and a quality back-up point guard could have been quite good. Now, we'll never know.[/QUOTE]

I'd have to disagree. As you stated, Chandler and Felton would have been gone within two years, leaving Gallinari and possibly Mozgov long-term. I'd take Anthony for sure over Gallinari, and take my chances on a FA center. True, Billups isn't going to play as much as Felton did, but he doesn't need to. Toney Douglas is a great backup. Even though he may not be a true pg, that's not what the Knicks need from him off the bench. They need points and he's capable of doing that.
 
Chandler is the only one that was definitely gone. You don't know what would have happened with Felton. Not all free agents necessarily leave their team. If the Knicks could not find a better point guard, they probably would have made a strong play for Felton, considering his age and the chemistry he was forming with Amare. And he likely would have wanted to stay, considering he appeared to be taking his game a notch up playing in New York and in that system.

As for taking Melo over Gallo, maybe now, but you don't know what the future holds. First of all, Gallo is a lot better defender than people give him credit for, and he's way better than Melo. Second of all, Gallo is only 22 and still improving. We already know what Melo is about. Third of all, if you watched the Bucks game the other night, you're already seeing the issues this team is gonna have. Both Amare and Melo play similar games on the offensive end. When they touch the ball, the offense often just stops right there. That's gonna be a huge issue, unless someone can get into one of their heads that they cannot do that. So, don't get me wrong. I don't think Gallo is gonna average 25 to 30 points a game, but his all around game, plus how much better he fit into the system, could put him on par with Melo.

Douglas is not a great back-up. He's a really good bench player, but he has troubles running an offense and being a floor general. And that's what you need out of your point guard. That is why Felton was logging insane minutes for a guy running that kind of breakneck offense.

And for some reason, when people talk about this trade, I think they tend to forget that the Knicks also traded away 3 draft picks. They only seem to compare the players that were dealt. But those picks are pretty important. You're leaving yourself in a position where you have zero choice but to build via trades and free agency, which is what got the Knicks into trouble in the 1st place.
 
[quote name='bigdaddybruce44']
And for some reason, when people talk about this trade, I think they tend to forget that the Knicks also traded away 3 draft picks. They only seem to compare the players that were dealt. But those picks are pretty important. You're leaving yourself in a position where you have zero choice but to build via trades and free agency, which is what got the Knicks into trouble in the 1st place.[/QUOTE]

This. We'll see who Denver drafts to see if they got the upper hand in this trade.
 
[quote name='bigdaddybruce44']Chandler is the only one that was definitely gone. You don't know what would have happened with Felton. Not all free agents necessarily leave their team. If the Knicks could not find a better point guard, they probably would have made a strong play for Felton, considering his age and the chemistry he was forming with Amare. And he likely would have wanted to stay, considering he appeared to be taking his game a notch up playing in New York and in that system.

As for taking Melo over Gallo, maybe now, but you don't know what the future holds. First of all, Gallo is a lot better defender than people give him credit for, and he's way better than Melo. Second of all, Gallo is only 22 and still improving. We already know what Melo is about. Third of all, if you watched the Bucks game the other night, you're already seeing the issues this team is gonna have. Both Amare and Melo play similar games on the offensive end. When they touch the ball, the offense often just stops right there. That's gonna be a huge issue, unless someone can get into one of their heads that they cannot do that. So, don't get me wrong. I don't think Gallo is gonna average 25 to 30 points a game, but his all around game, plus how much better he fit into the system, could put him on par with Melo.

Douglas is not a great back-up. He's a really good bench player, but he has troubles running an offense and being a floor general. And that's what you need out of your point guard. That is why Felton was logging insane minutes for a guy running that kind of breakneck offense.

And for some reason, when people talk about this trade, I think they tend to forget that the Knicks also traded away 3 draft picks. They only seem to compare the players that were dealt. But those picks are pretty important. You're leaving yourself in a position where you have zero choice but to build via trades and free agency, which is what got the Knicks into trouble in the 1st place.[/QUOTE]

Felton became expendable because Paul, D Williams, and other good FA's are going to be available in 2 years. If none of them come to the Knicks, then losing Felton is a blow to the team. But just as we can't predict Gallo's future, we don't know if the Knicks will sign another star. He's coming off the books in 2 years anyway (like Felton), hard to say if he's going to stay with all the potential FA's the Knicks can get.

Like I mentioned before, the 3 picks are a 2014 1st rounder, and 2nd rounders from 2012 and 2013. The only pick that a good player can come out from is the 2014 1st and that's 3 years away.

We can agree to disagree. I'll take Carmelo now and for the future.
 
Is Lordopus99 serious? I mean just in general? Some of the garbage coming out of his electronic mouth is amazing. For starters....

"The Heat are still a GREAT team without Lebron"

Since they are barely a great team WITH him I can call 100% horseshit on this one. Take the best player in the NBA off the Heat and they are easily a 1st round exit.

"Michael Vick had a better year than Tom Brady"

I can't change stupid, if you watched football this year and honestly think this you have bigger life problems than I originally thought.

"Pau Gasol is a better player than Carmelo Anthony"

Once again I can't change stupid.

"The Celtics got the better end of the OKC trade"

Um, no they didn't actually. They were the best team in the NBA before the trade imo and now they may not be after this. Unless they pick up a few free agents to plug holes inside or something this trade was a disaster. Counting on the health of both O'Neals inside lol yeah good idea Danny Ainge. This move was about the next few years for the Celtics which makes no sense to me whatsoever. When the big 3 retire aren't they going to suck no matter what they do, I mean really? If you are the C's you win as many titles as you can now and worry about the future when they all retire.


SO anyways good show Lordopus99, good show. I have enjoyed the hearty laughs over the last few days.
 
[quote name='cgarb84']"The Heat are still a GREAT team without Lebron"

Since they are barely a great team WITH him I can call 100% horseshit on this one. Take the best player in the NBA off the Heat and they are easily a 1st round exit. [/quote]

First off, I didn't make that comment. At the same time, they are still a good team without him. The team last year without Lebron/Bosh went #5 in the East. They would still be around 4th to 5th in the East without him to date.

"Michael Vick had a better year than Tom Brady"

I can't change stupid, if you watched football this year and honestly think this you have bigger life problems than I originally thought.
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Again, if you read my criteria, you would realize that Tom Brady plays behind the best offensive line. Obviously, you haven't played football in your life to realize how all the pieces to the offense make certain players great (i.e. LaDainian Tomlinson... what made him GREAT was his fullback Lorenzo Neal; Neal left and so did LT rushing yards/playing time). Vick didn't play behind a quality offensive line last year; see Kolb. So yes, I still stand he had a better year than Tom Brady.

I am not saying Tom Brady isn't a good QB. I am just saying in another system Tom Brady wouldn't look as good.

"Pau Gasol is a better player than Carmelo Anthony"

Once again I can't change stupid.
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You obviously don't watch any NBA basketball. After Shaq left and Kobe had Phil fired, the team struggled. Missed the playoffs and 2 first round exits... what made the difference... oh yeah Memphis giving LA Pau Gasol for nothing and the rehiring of Phil. Next season they went to the Finals with him, the next 2 after that 2 championships. Pau Gasol is a beast on defense. He has a great jumpshot and great ballhandling skills. Things Melo completely lacks. If you want to live on delusional island of Melo being top 5, feel free as you obvious don't follow/watch the NBA.

"The Celtics got the better end of the OKC trade"

Um, no they didn't actually. They were the best team in the NBA before the trade imo and now they may not be after this. Unless they pick up a few free agents to plug holes inside or something this trade was a disaster. Counting on the health of both O'Neals inside lol yeah good idea Danny Ainge. This move was about the next few years for the Celtics which makes no sense to me whatsoever. When the big 3 retire aren't they going to suck no matter what they do, I mean really? If you are the C's you win as many titles as you can now and worry about the future when they all retire.
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They dealt a guy that had knee problems for a great scorer; something they lacked from the bench. Doc Rivers acknowledged it as the driving force in the trade that they lacked a spark off the bench since James Posey. As for OKC... if Perkins was so great, why make a move to grab Nazr as well as already having Ibaka.... So yes, I still stand by that Boston made out better than OKC.

As for your complaints, not only do you have the O'Neals, they also have Nenad so 3 bodies. Perkins didn't stop Howard and Bynum. Losing him still gets them where they were from that aspect... they have three bodies to give away 15 fouls. All they have to do is get between them and the hoop and raise their hands hoping they mis-shots and foul when needed.

Again, I still don't buy that Perkins is anything but a big body. It will finally be proven with his move to OKC.

SO anyways good show Lordopus99, good show. I have enjoyed the hearty laughs over the last few days.
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The thing I like the best is that you give no valid points behind your laughs. Call me stupid yet you can't give a valid opinion yourself. I am the one who is laughing at you. Thanks for playing. :lol:

P.S. There is no reasons for personal attacks.
 
[quote name='lordopus99']Dwight Howard is hands down the best post defender in the game. That's why he has won the Best Defensive Player trophy the past couple years and on his way to most likely another.[/QUOTE]
Perkins is hands down the best post defender in the league. Howard is a better rebounder and shot blocker but Perkins can lock down every center in the league 1 on 1. Even Dwight Howard gets help against some of the elite centers, he could never guard himself the way Perkins does.

Howard wins the awards because he's a big star.
 
Well I'm not really what I can say to change your mind on any of this stuff. If you think Jeff Green is a great scorer then fine, it's wrong but fine. A person who averages well under 20 pts a game isn't a great scorer, if he is then I guess Luol Deng is a great scorer too. On the Tom Brady thing, here are some stats to satisfy you, TD's = 36, INT's = 4......... THIRTY-SIX vs FOUR. There that's the argument, well that was easier than I thought it would be. Also TEAM RECORD 14-2 best in the NFL.... wow that is really a debate. Oh and he was the first ever unanimous MVP. Ok are we good there yet?

I understand we all have differences in opinions but some of these grand declarations are just absurd and offend my sports sensibilities.
 
[quote name='cgarb84']Well I'm not really what I can say to change your mind on any of this stuff. If you think Jeff Green is a great scorer then fine, it's wrong but fine. A person who averages well under 20 pts a game isn't a great scorer, if he is then I guess Luol Deng is a great scorer too. On the Tom Brady thing, here are some stats to satisfy you, TD's = 32, INT's = 4......... THIRTY-TWO vs FOUR. There that's the argument, well that was easier than I thought it would be. Also TEAM RECORD 14-2 best in the NFL.... wow that is really a debate. Oh and he was the first ever unanimous MVP. Ok are we good there yet?

I understand we all have differences in opinions but some of these grand declarations are just absurd and offend my sports sensibilities.[/QUOTE]

Don't forget that Mike Vick had way better WR's, a better TE, and a better RB. Also it was 36:4 for Brady.
 
[quote name='dafoomie']Perkins is hands down the best post defender in the league. Howard is a better rebounder and shot blocker but Perkins can lock down every center in the league 1 on 1. Even Dwight Howard gets help against some of the elite centers, he could never guard himself the way Perkins does.

Howard wins the awards because he's a big star.[/QUOTE]

Such a big star that they call tacky fouls on him... Hater. Awards are given out to the best player for that award. In this case, he was the best defender. Proof in the trophy. I don't even remember hearing Perkins name in the running for any of those years...

Lock Down you say...in the only one meeting he played against Orlando this season, Dwight dropped 28 on him (Feb 6). Hmm... far from lock down.
 
[quote name='dafoomie']Perkins is hands down the best post defender in the league. Howard is a better rebounder and shot blocker but Perkins can lock down every center in the league 1 on 1. Even Dwight Howard gets help against some of the elite centers, he could never guard himself the way Perkins does.

Howard wins the awards because he's a big star.[/QUOTE]

Exactly. Derek Jeter wins Gold Gloves all the time. Is he the best defensive shortstop in the American League? Hell no, but a name can help you win awards, especially peripheral ones, like for defense. I haven't seen much of Perkins, but what I have seen would tell me he's an insanely good post defender. Howard wins the award, because he's a big star, and he blocks shots. Good for him. A lot of blocked shots doesn't necessarily make you the best defender in the league. Amare averages over 2 blocks a game, and he's a shit defender.

If anyone honestly believes that the person who deserves to win an award always wins it, I have a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you.
 
Oh by the way quick apology to Lordopus99, you indeed weren't the one who said the Heat are still a great team without Lebron, that was Prepster. I was in a haste earlier, my apologies.
 
[quote name='cgarb84']Well I'm not really what I can say to change your mind on any of this stuff. If you think Jeff Green is a great scorer then fine, it's wrong but fine. A person who averages well under 20 pts a game isn't a great scorer, if he is then I guess Luol Deng is a great scorer too. On the Tom Brady thing, here are some stats to satisfy you, TD's = 36, INT's = 4......... THIRTY-SIX vs FOUR. There that's the argument, well that was easier than I thought it would be. Also TEAM RECORD 14-2 best in the NFL.... wow that is really a debate. Oh and he was the first ever unanimous MVP. Ok are we good there yet?

I understand we all have differences in opinions but some of these grand declarations are just absurd and offend my sports sensibilities.[/QUOTE]

Jeff Green shoots about 44%; Deng shoots about 46%. So yes, Deng is a good scorer. Just to put into perspective, your top 5 great star Carmelo Anthony shoots 45%. Green shoots 1% less. So that huge 1% difference makes Carmelo great and Green not good...;)

As for Tom Brady...
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[quote name='CaseyRyback']Don't forget that Mike Vick had way better WR's, a better TE, and a better RB. Also it was 36:4 for Brady. [/quote]
The offensive line is the most imporant key factor for a QB's success. With a great offensive line, you get time to sit back and let your receivers break past their covers (db/s/etc)... you then have plenty of time to scour the field for the open man.

With a bad line, you have seconds to make a pass i.e. maybe 2 looks at best. Kolb, the man before him, took a big hit first week because of that not-so-good offensive line. Look how Green Bay only rushed 3 and how easily they made it to the QB to where he had to scramble. Here is that hit...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qh5Vl0BlmPs

Now to your points...
Tom Brady 36:4 - when no one ever comes close to you due to having the best offensive line, you have plenty of time to hit nice passes. If the pass isn't there, Brady had plenty of time to throw it out of bounds. Thus, the great ratio.
Team Record 14-2 - key word TEAM. Brady and Vick are just 2 players. This is football it takes all players coming together to win games. Philly had a bunch of factors that affected their record (i.e. injuries to impact players such as Kolb, Vick, and Jackson, they didn't play starters in final game, etc).
Philly having better WRs, TEs, RBs - Both teams are equally good; granted New England does not run much. Either way, you need an offensive line to give you time to throw a ball to weapons. If not, you scramble like Vick did.

Either way, we are just comparing essentially apples to apples. Both players are great. I just stated my opinion since they were compared. Sorry for bring us completely offtopic on this...
 
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[quote name='lordopus99']Jeff Green shoots about 44%; Deng shoots about 34%. So no, Deng is not a good scorer.[/QUOTE]

I think you're looking at Dengs' three point shooting percentage, he shoots about 46% from the field.

Quick way to bring it back on topic, why is it that everyone seems to think that you need a big three nowadays to win a ring? Plenty of championships have been won with two great players and decent role players.
 
[quote name='docvinh']I think you're looking at Dengs' three point shooting percentage, he shoots about 46% from the field.

Quick way to bring it back on topic, why is it that everyone seems to think that you need a big three nowadays to win a ring? Plenty of championships have been won with two great players and decent role players.[/QUOTE]

My bad. I did look at the wrong figure. I will correct the above then.

This is my thought on the big 3. I think the Miami thing just happened because Lebron and Wade really just wanted to play with each other and Bosh just tagged along. I think the rest of the teams like NY, NJ are trying for it because of the success of Boston and now Miami from them. Like you, there have been plenty of championships won with two great players.
 
I never said Jeff Green wasn't a good scorer, I said he wasn't great. Great to me means top 10 in the league at something. Jeff Green is barely a good scorer this year, he is only averaging 15pts a game. That isn't great by any means. And I still can't see how someone would say Vick had a better year than Brady. I know Vick's O-Line was weak but I will tell you one thing.... it wasn't Jay Cutler bad. Nobody thought Jay Cutler had a very good year at all, but his stats were pretty decent, his team was good, and he was playing behind WITHOUT A DOUBT the worst O-line in football. That is an excuse, a valid one for sure. But to say it takes Vick all the way to "best QB this year" is a joke.
 
You definitely don't need a "big three." I realize that the three in Miami have not even played a playoff game yet, so you really cannot judge them, but to me, I don't think they will ever live up to the hype. You're far better off with a duo of stars and a cast of characters. I think that's what Miami lacks. I watched a part of the game when I was in the gym last night, and I remember that for like a 12 minute stretch, Wade and James were the only people scored. That's pretty nuts. Big game like that, and no one else could step up.
 
[quote name='bigdaddybruce44']You definitely don't need a "big three." I realize that the three in Miami have not even played a playoff game yet, so you really cannot judge them, but to me, I don't think they will ever live up to the hype. You're far better off with a duo of stars and a cast of characters. I think that's what Miami lacks. I watched a part of the game when I was in the gym last night, and I remember that for like a 12 minute stretch, Wade and James were the only people scored. That's pretty nuts. Big game like that, and no one else could step up.[/QUOTE]

I also think that Miami is missing that "dirty work" kind of player. Bosh can score, but he isn't willing to go in there and get nasty.
 
Seeing the Heat lose against the Bulls brings up the question about the Heat's bench. Miller is the only really good player on the bench. I guess Big Z has his moments but the Heat need a few players to really help clean up at the end of the game.

I really think the Nuggets got the short end of the stick on that trade to NY, but who knows.
 
That's an odd opinion. I don't think I've seen many people say Denver got the short end. The arguments pretty much seem to be either that both teams made out or that NY gave up too much. I think Denver did quite well, considering that their chances of keeping Melo was insanely slim.
 
Leader in DRtg (points allowed per 100 possessions), NBA:

2008-09: Dwight Howard - 95
2009-10: Dwight Howard - 95
2010-11: Kevin Garnett - 94, second: Dwight Howard - 95

Dwight's legitimately a beast defensively. Anything otherwise is just wrong.
 
Dear Knick fans,
Your team gave up 115 points to the worst team in the league, the Cleveland Cavaliers. It's time to stop thinking your team is a team to beat in the East, let alone thinking that your team is better with Melo/Billups over Dano/Felton/Chandler. Tonight was proof.
Thanks for Playing,
Opus
 
Man Dwight was a beast tonight. He went 16 for 20 for 40 points, making 8 of 12 free throws. Add in 15 boards and 6 blocks. He flat out abused Nick Collison that I actually felt bad for him.

I like these Magic. 31 in the fourth. Way to finally close a game. Hopefully they keep this up.
 
[quote name='lordopus99']Dear Knick fans,
Your team gave up 115 points to the worst team in the league, the Cleveland Cavaliers. It's time to stop thinking your team is a team to beat in the East, let alone thinking that your team is better with Melo/Billups over Dano/Felton/Chandler. Tonight was proof.
Thanks for Playing,
Opus[/QUOTE]

I've been one of the most vocal Knick fans against the trade, but come on. Since when can you make judgments about a team by one game? Especially when it's the second game a group of players have played together.

Again, I don't like the trade, and the Knicks are still a one-and-done playoff team, but you cannot judge a team by one bad game. I mean, the Knicks embarrassed the Spurs earlier this year. Should the Spurs just not bother now?
 
[quote name='lordopus99']Dear Knick fans,
Your team gave up 115 points to the worst team in the league, the Cleveland Cavaliers. It's time to stop thinking your team is a team to beat in the East, let alone thinking that your team is better with Melo/Billups over Dano/Felton/Chandler. Tonight was proof.
Thanks for Playing,
Opus[/QUOTE]

What's your point? Your team gave up 111 to the Evans-less Kings the other night. This is the NBA, games are played, not all teams that should win win. Besides, no one said the Knicks are a team to beat.
 
[quote name='lordopus99']Such a big star that they call tacky fouls on him... Hater. Awards are given out to the best player for that award. In this case, he was the best defender. Proof in the trophy. I don't even remember hearing Perkins name in the running for any of those years...

Lock Down you say...in the only one meeting he played against Orlando this season, Dwight dropped 28 on him (Feb 6). Hmm... far from lock down.[/QUOTE]
Awards are nothing more than a popularity contest. Blocks are sexy but he gets a lot of his blocks because his man beats him to the hoop. Perkins loses votes because he plays with KG, and KG winning the award in 08 had a lot to do with Perkins playing next to him.

Yes, lock down defense. Perkins 1 on 1 vs Howard, in his 2nd start since coming back from knee surgery, Howard "got his" 28 points but nobody else had more than 12 points, the Celtics won. The purpose of playing Perkins 1 on 1 vs Howard is to shut down the rest of his team while keeping Howard in check and that is exactly how its played out in almost every game they've played and in the playoff series last year. You try that with any other center in the league and Howard is going to score 48 instead of 28. Orlando's offense is entirely based on Howard drawing help and double teams, opening up space for their shooters. When you can keep Howard under 30 points guarding him 1 on 1, and you don't let the other guys get open, you beat Orlando every single time.

Game 1 of the conference finals last year, in Orlando, Dwight Howard scores 13 points. Game 3 in Boston, he scores 7 points. Lock. Down. Defense. He dropped 30 and 32 when Perkins got into foul trouble.

Howard is a more versatile defensive player but no one in the NBA is a better defender in the post than Perkins.
 
[quote name='madbst']What's your point? Your team gave up 111 to the Evans-less Kings the other night. This is the NBA, games are played, not all teams that should win win. Besides, no one said the Knicks are a team to beat.[/QUOTE]

My team then slaughtered a good Oklahoma City team by 23 tonight. Other recent games... won by 25 against Washington, won by 15 against the Lakers. ;)

New Knicks so far barely beat subpar Milwaukee and then there was tonight :applause: At least you can get your revenge Mar 4. I don't think Sunday will be good for you just based on the performances so far.

[quote name='dafoomie']Yes, lock down defense. Perkins 1 on 1 vs Howard, in his 2nd start since coming back from knee surgery, Howard "got his" 28 points but nobody else had more than 12 points, the Celtics won.

The purpose of playing Perkins 1 on 1 vs Howard is to shut down the rest of his team while keeping Howard in check and that is exactly how its played out in almost every game they've played and in the playoff series last year. You try that with any other center in the league and Howard is going to score 48 instead of 28. Orlando's offense is entirely based on Howard drawing help and double teams, opening up space for their shooters. When you can keep Howard under 30 points guarding him 1 on 1, and you don't let the other guys get open, you beat Orlando every single time.[/quote]

Howard averages 23 points so Perkins allowed him to have above average offense. Again, I still don't see how Perkins did a better defense against him than other centers. As for you guys winning, congrats. You have two quality defenders in Rondo and Garnett, which had a big part of that loss.

Game 1 of the conference finals last year, in Orlando, Dwight Howard scores 13 points. Game 3 in Boston, he scores 7 points. Lock. Down. Defense. He dropped 30 and 32 when Perkins got into foul trouble.
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Why did Perkins get in foul trouble? oh yeah... he couldn't keep up with Dwight.

Howard is a more versatile defensive player but no one in the NBA is a better defender in the post than Perkins.
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Did you not pay attention to Feeding the Abscess' post...
 
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I'm sad to see Dragon go, and I don't really agree with the trade. Brooks is not that much better of a player than Dragic, and then you throw in a first-round draft pick. It's good for us in the short term, but does absolutely nothing for the future of the team.
 
I think Howard is a much better well rounded center, say Perkins is a better defender he doesn't do much in the way of scoring. He'll be missed on the Celtics for sure.

Nuggets got Gallarini he's okay, felton's good but they traded away Billups and Anthony. Too bad they couldn't keep Billups. We'll see how well the Nuggets do in the post season
 
[quote name='yukine']I'm sad to see Dragon go, and I don't really agree with the trade. Brooks is not that much better of a player than Dragic, and then you throw in a first-round draft pick. It's good for us in the short term, but does absolutely nothing for the future of the team.[/QUOTE]

I hate it. Brooks probably won't be back next season, meaning we gave them Dragic and our 1st Rounder for around 30 games of Brooks.
 
[quote name='lordopus99']Howard averages 23 points so Perkins allowed him to have above average offense. Again, I still don't see how Perkins did a better defense against him than other centers. As for you guys winning, congrats. You have two quality defenders in Rondo and Garnett, which had a big part of that loss.[/quote]
Perkins kept him at just about what he averages against double teams while allowing the rest of his teammates to shut down the other 4 guys.

I feel like I'm talking to a fucking wall here. Orlando's offense consists of Dwight Howard drawing double teams, which gets other guys open shots. They set the record for most 3's in a season last year. When you have one guy that can guard Howard by himself and only allow him to score as many points as he normally would while double teamed, it allows you to shut down Orlando's offense by taking away those open looks and space. What did Rashard Lewis and Vince Carter do in that series again? It wasn't because they weren't scoring before.
 
[quote name='dafoomie']Perkins kept him at just about what he averages against double teams while allowing the rest of his teammates to shut down the other 4 guys.

I feel like I'm talking to a fucking wall here. Orlando's offense consists of Dwight Howard drawing double teams, which gets other guys open shots. They set the record for most 3's in a season last year. When you have one guy that can guard Howard by himself and only allow him to score as many points as he normally would while double teamed, it allows you to shut down Orlando's offense by taking away those open looks and space. What did Rashard Lewis and Vince Carter do in that series again? It wasn't because they weren't scoring before.[/QUOTE]

Dude don't even bother trying to talk sense into this guy. A bunch of people in this thread have been making valid points that are pretty easy to notice if you watch the NBA consistantly. He will come in at some point and tell you that you obviously don't watch the NBA and maybe throw 15-20 stats at you....maybe even brag about his fantasy basketball team a little.

I don't know how many people saw the end of the Nuggets/Blazers game but that was one hell of a game. It was cool to see Brandon Roy playing again and playing quite well.
 
I still question the moves the Celtics made. I get that they're maybe planning for the future by getting Green, but I wonder if it was worth breaking up such a close-knit team. Aside from having a size advantage with Perkins, their chemistry was superb.

Also, the Nuggets/Blazers game was great to watch. I'm glad that the Nuggets haven't fallen apart after the Anthony trade (though I was more upset that Billups was included in that deal) and I look forward to seeing Gerald Wallace with the Blazers.
 
Seeing Brandon Roy make huge clutch shots last night was awesome. He really can't move at all anymore though, every step looks like a struggle. Really a shame, he was one of the best young stars this league had to offer, great image guy too.
 
[quote name='yukine']I'm sad to see Dragon go, and I don't really agree with the trade. Brooks is not that much better of a player than Dragic, and then you throw in a first-round draft pick. It's good for us in the short term, but does absolutely nothing for the future of the team.[/QUOTE]

I don't know what the Suns were thinking. Brooks has talent, but he's only going to be a backup to Nash. Maybe they were banking on him staying for a long time and being the eventual successor to Nash, but they had Dragic waiting on the wings anyway, and I've been impressed by him the few games I've seen him play.

[quote name='bg88']Dude don't even bother trying to talk sense into this guy. A bunch of people in this thread have been making valid points that are pretty easy to notice if you watch the NBA consistantly. He will come in at some point and tell you that you obviously don't watch the NBA and maybe throw 15-20 stats at you....maybe even brag about his fantasy basketball team a little.

I don't know how many people saw the end of the Nuggets/Blazers game but that was one hell of a game. It was cool to see Brandon Roy playing again and playing quite well.[/QUOTE]

:applause: In his fantasy world where stats reign supreme, everything he says makes sense, and everyone else is wrong.
 
[quote name='thirdrose']I still question the moves the Celtics made. I get that they're maybe planning for the future by getting Green, but I wonder if it was worth breaking up such a close-knit team. Aside from having a size advantage with Perkins, their chemistry was superb.
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You, Me and all the other Celtics fans I know are doing the same.

I'll be at the Celtics/Clippers game tonight for what I think will be the first game for Green/Kristic. Can't say I was expecting that when I bought my tickets back in October....
 
[quote name='dafoomie']Perkins kept him at just about what he averages against double teams while allowing the rest of his teammates to shut down the other 4 guys.

I feel like I'm talking to a fucking wall here. Orlando's offense consists of Dwight Howard drawing double teams, which gets other guys open shots. They set the record for most 3's in a season last year. When you have one guy that can guard Howard by himself and only allow him to score as many points as he normally would while double teamed, it allows you to shut down Orlando's offense by taking away those open looks and space. What did Rashard Lewis and Vince Carter do in that series again? It wasn't because they weren't scoring before.[/QUOTE]

I am fully aware of how our team worked except to let you know the team has slightly changed. Howard scores now vs passing out alot. Bass plays inside the arc and crashes boards, which no one outside Howard crashed boards last year. Richardson, who is an improvement over Vince, actually slashes to the hope. Lastly, we don't jack as many 3s as we did last year.

Plenty of teams play Howard 1-on-1. See last night when Collison got abused.

What did Rashard and Vince do? Where are those two dudes again... oh yeah Lewis is in Washington and Vince is in Phoenix. Lewis was overpayed and didn't play defense and Vince well just gave up in the playoffs so we got rid of them. As for the series, Garnett is a top notch defender and he guarded Lewis the whole series and Vince again just gave up.

[quote name='bg88']I don't know how many people saw the end of the Nuggets/Blazers game but that was one hell of a game. It was cool to see Brandon Roy playing again and playing quite well.[/quote]

Such a good game to watch. They all played it like a playoff game. Roy's 3 at the end of the 4th was just amazing. He was guarded really well and that shot was so money.

[quote name='madbst'] In his fantasy world where stats reign supreme, everything he says makes sense, and everyone else is wrong.[/quote]

Feel free to hate. It goes beyond fantasy. Topics I was right on in sports related threads on CAG in which everyone disagreed with me on these topics... here are a few of them
- College Football National Champs would be from SEC
- College Football Oregon offense would go stagnant against SEC teams
- College Football expansion wouldn't lead to super conferences; ACC and SEC wouldn't take any new teams
- NBA Summer Wade would stay in Miami
- NBA Summer Lebron would not go to NY
 
When Dwight Howard is played one on one he always has a monster game, but his teammates struggle seeing as most of his team specializes in three point shooting. When he gets double teamed it opens up his teammates to score. So Orlando's offense is either Dwight Howard or his teammates. They can't have both.
 
[quote name='ObservedValue']When Dwight Howard is played one on one he always has a monster game, but his teammates struggle seeing as most of his team specializes in three point shooting. When he gets double teamed it opens up his teammates to score. So Orlando's offense is either Dwight Howard or his teammates. They can't have both.[/QUOTE]

How do you figure? Dwight's biggest game of the year (40 pts) last night and the team as a whole shoots 50%, 45% from 3pt line. The other teammates make up 71 pts. Nick Collison spent the most of the night playing him 1-on-1. How is that teammates are struggling?
 
[quote name='lordopus99']How do you figure? Dwight's biggest game of the year (40 pts) last night and the team as a whole shoots 50%, 45% from 3pt line. The other teammates make up 71 pts. Nick Collison spent the most of the night playing him 1-on-1. How is that teammates are struggling?[/QUOTE]

That was one game. And they also doubled Howard a lot which got teammates open looks.

The other's are right that that's the main reason they lost to the Celtics in the Eastern Finals last year. They were able to guard Howard one on one without him getting above his averages, and the rest of the team struggled in that series as they weren't getting as many wide open threes off of double teams.

Hopefully that won't happen this post season. Howard's offense has improved a lot, so every time will have to double him most likely. And they've upgrade some team mates with Richardson being better than Carter, Anderson playing more minutes and having improved etc.
 
[quote name='dmaul1114']That was one game. And they also doubled Howard a lot which got teammates open looks.

The other's are right that that's the main reason they lost to the Celtics in the Eastern Finals last year. They were able to guard Howard one on one without him getting above his averages, and the rest of the team struggled in that series as they weren't getting as many wide open threes off of double teams.

Hopefully that won't happen this post season. Howard's offense has improved a lot, so every time will have to double him most likely. And they've upgrade some team mates with Richardson being better than Carter, Anderson playing more minutes and having improved etc.[/QUOTE]

I watched the game and yes, the majority of the night Dwight was guarded 1-on-1 by Collison. The only doubling came when Ibaka tried to guard him, even then Dwight dunk on both of them.

As for the Big Perkins, we will give him his 2-3 weeks rest to prove me wrong. I can't wait to check each night to see what opposing centers do on him, especially come playoff time.

Until then, look at Perkins killer D on Dwight :cool:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u8OY8rlPEXY
 
[quote name='Amblix']Glad to see the Heat lose again, seems like they can't beat contending teams.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, I think most of us have been saying this for awhile. They are gonna win a lot of games and blow some teams out, but I don't think they have a roster built to win big games. They remind me a lot of recent Yankee teams (minus the one that won in 2009). They have a lot of fire power, and when they play the bad teams, they are gonna look damn good. But against the other big teams, they fall flat.

They had no excuse for losing that game last night. The Knicks are still trying to gel and are missing pieces. And they ran them off the floor in the first quarter.
 
I have been out of town so I am late on a couple things but

Look, they should invent a new award and give that shit to Kevin Love. This motherfucker is a G. Period. He is not even 7ft and seeing a stat line of 20points and and 20 plus rebounds is routine. 20 PLUS REBOUNDS!

This is one of the things I hate about the NBA, unless you are one of the "chosen ones," you get nothing but a pat on the back. Its just like when CP3 was completely and utterly dominant that one year breaking multiple records and making history yet he still failed to get the MVP because it had to go to their golden boy.


Also, Kobe getting his hand prints on the walk is utterly ridiculous and is a blight on humanity. All of the humanitarian athletes out there in the world (Bill Russell) and you pick "Mr. I kinda Rape her then paid her off and went back to my wife."


Also, The Knicks are looking pretty good, the Heat are looking fantastic against bad teams but average at best against good ones.
 
So Collison's as good of a defender as Perkins?

Anyway Youtube videos won't really do either justice, so here's one for Perkins:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T80RTP6VilQ&feature=related

Whether or not D12 was kept above or below his numbers really doesn't matter, in BOS it was all about team defense and I have a feeling its about to be similar in OKC. Although Ibaka is nowhere near KG defensively yet. If he can get to about 3/4ths as good, they will be a scary duo with a younger-legged Ibaka.

Edit: The only thing holding them back now is if The Beard can be consistent or not. They need a shooting 2, and while Thabo is good defensively I think they need to go ahead and start Harden.
 
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Dennis Rodman wasn't 7 foot tall either, and he played on winners. Kevin Love needs to play on a winning team before he gets too many props. Same with Blake Griffin.

CP3 should have won an MVP award the year they beat Dallas in the first round. Kobe got it because LA is a bigger market and his team got Pau and started winning again. Same thing with the hand prints. He is an LA guy and has five rings.
 
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