2010-2011 NBA Season Thread

[quote name='Soodmeg']Wait so is Amare to the Knicks confirmed or is it just more rumors? I cant find anywhere that says its confirmed.


Wade to the bulls wouldnt be bad either. Hmmmmm....this is getting fun. I cant wait to see what the losers will do when the top FA are locked up and they are in a panic for players.[/QUOTE]


Amare and his agent are flying into NY tomorrow to meet with the Knicks on Saturday or Sunday. Amare pretty much just wants to talk to them and then sign. Knicks are still flirting with Wade and Bosh and James. It's basically a roll of the dice with all of them.

Jalen Rose tweeted earlier that he pretty much heard that Amare to the Knicks was a done deal.
 
[quote name='wildcpac']Per Alan Hahn of Twitter.

Stat turns down a 5 year 96 million dollar deal from the Suns. Contract included stipulations based on minutes played.[/QUOTE]
I'm sorry but I even think that is too much for Amare, his knee is a ticking time bomb. I don't think he is worth a long time risk, 3 years at the most.
 
News or possible BS involving Deng:

My sources tell me that the Blazers and Bulls have a deal in place that will send Luol Deng to PDX in exchange for the expiring contract of Joel Przybilla and young guard Jerryd Bayless. The two sides are waiting on the green light from Seattle before the deal can be made offical.
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I cannot picture that trade going down. Blazers are going to be well under the cap next year. If they take on Deng, they can forget about getting a max player in 2011. I did the trade on realgm.com and it worked due to both teams being over the cap. Only problem is that both teams were over the cap and the rosters haven't been updated.

Plus have the Blazers even hired a new GM yet?

All serious now. Bulls do go out and get a max player or two. What do they do with Noah and Rose? Both of them are going to want big time money. I know it was over 10 years ago but the Bulls came off cheap and broke up one of the best teams of all time due to money.
 
From Yahoo! Sports
The Bulls must make a strong case to James on Saturday to get him to take what would be $30 million less than the Cavaliers could offer. Sources say one team that all but eliminated itself with James in the presentation process was the New York Knicks. James met with the organization on Friday and his inner circle has described New York’s presentation as lacking preparedness and organization. James’ camp also found it to be redundant to much of the New Jersey Nets’ far sharper, edgier presentation on James’ earning power.
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Crazy.
 
I believe it to be a bunch of bs. Chris Broussard tweeted that the Knicks did pretty good with their meeting with James. But Adrian Wojo is stating differently. These talking heads are all over the place.


Rumors are flying that Joe Johnson is nowhere close to being signed by the Hawks. JJ is still in the mix with the Bulls and the Knicks according to a couple of sources.

Adrian Wojo is the same talking head who stated that Knicks had no chance with Amare.


Alan Hahn via Twitter.

Alan Hahn alanhahn

I'm being told Amar'e believes he can help Knicks get LeBron (recall all-star wknd in feb.). He's also texting Tony Parker about teaming up.
 
[quote name='advanced']From Yahoo! Sports


Crazy.[/QUOTE]


Taken from your article "Wojnarowski also includes claims that James was turned off by Donnie Walsh's need to use a wheelchair due to a neck ailment, and that James was similarly deflated by owner James Dolan's appearance."

Let me get this straight. James was turned off because a 65 year old man who just had major surgery and got his ass onto a plane and in a wheelchair to kiss his ass? Ooooo and James was turned off because Dolan is fat. I guess James is going to have a hell of a time meeting Jerry Reinsdorf who is old and fat. Good thing that James isn't meeting Buss off the Lakers because that guy is 80 and looks like the crypt keeper.

I am sure the Knicks gave the same song and dance to James. I wouldn't trust every story I read on the net. A lot of the writers are using this to make names for themselves, get hits, make money, create drama and controversy.

Knicks take their shot at recruiting Bosh
Posted Jul 2 2010 8:24PM
CHICAGO (AP) -- Chris Bosh met for more than two hours Friday with the New York Knicks, the latest suitor hoping to land the coveted free agent forward.
Bosh showed up at the same hotel where Miami Heat star Dwyane Wade met with the Knicks earlier Friday. In a tweet, Bosh called the Knicks' presentation during a meeting that lasted 2 hours and 40 minutes "another impressive one.''
He told reporters he felt "like a kid at Christmas.''
"You've got to enjoy this,'' he said. Asked if there were any offers, he said "No, not yet. Everything is still pending.''
Knicks officials were not immediately available.
After seven seasons in Toronto, Bosh has been one of the busiest players in the free agency bonanza. He met with Rockets in his hometown of Dallas early Thursday, then flew to Chicago for sessions with the Heat and New Jersey Nets.
Late Friday, Bosh showed up at the office of his agent, Henry Thomas, who said no deals had been reached but that he was encouraged by presentations to his client.
 
Damn, get all crazy defensive.

And impressions can be different to different people. Maybe Bosh is impressed with what James found unimpressive.
 
[quote name='advanced']Damn, get all crazy defensive.

And impressions can be different to different people. Maybe Bosh is impressed with what James found unimpressive.[/QUOTE]


I think it's more of a certain person in James camp than James himself. I am not too worried about the entourage. Wade also stated that he had a great meeting with the Knicks. Take that for what it's worth.


Alan Hahn beat writer for the Knicks just was on the radio and blamed Pat Riley for the bs Knicks/James presentation story.
 
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Last rumors for the night. Take these for what it's worth and with a huge grain of salt. These rumors are according to Screaming Steven A Smith.

Joe Johnson and Amare have an agreement to take less money from the Knicks if Lebron James signs with the Knicks. Knicks will go after Melo in 2011. All of the contracts would have 3 year opt outs.

Heat were/are working on trying to do Wade, Bosh and James. Bosh threw a monkey wrench into that plan because he wants Max Money and is not willing to take less.

Bosh is trying to get a sign and trade to the Houston Rockets.

Dwayne Wade is working on a deal with the Bulls to play with Noah and Rose. Wade is also interested in going to the Knicks and taking James place if James does not go.

Miami Heat are looking the least likely of destinations due to them gutting their roster. Knicks, Nets and Bulls all have 3-5 players already signed for next year. Heat want to get the 2-3 max deals but have little else on the roster.
 
[quote name='Soodmeg']so we are back to square one. no one knows what the fuck is going on.[/QUOTE]


Everybody is waiting for the first Domino to fall. That is being James.


It's looking like the Bulls fans should send thank you cards to Bosh if Wade ends up in Chicago due to Bosh being greedy. Wade doesn't want to be by himself in Miami.

Ric Bucher of Espn was stating that Bosh is scaring off teams due to his lack of desire in winning. That was early this afternoon.
 
http://stephena.com/?p=953

As everyone knows, I reported last week on my morning drive show on Fox Sports Radio that LeBron James would join Dwayne Wade in Miami and take Chris Bosh with him to join the Heat. At the moment, that is still very possible, but there’s been a potentially huge monkey wrench thrown into the equation — with (understandable) greed on the part of Bosh being the main culprit.

So listen up. Here’s the breakdown:

All along, Pat Riley’s plan as President of the Heat was to convince Wade to take a paycut and offer all three (Wade, LeBron and Bosh) deals averaging approximately $15.7 mil….with opt-outs after three years. But since Bosh wants the max at all cost (and he’s trying to get it in a sign-and-trade deal with Houston), it changed the game for everyone. Especially Miami and New York.

Suddenly, the Knicks jumped into the fray yesterday and offered the same options to Joe Johnson, Amare Stoudamire and LeBron. Despite expecting a max offer from the Atlanta Hawks, it’s believed Johnson is considering the Knicks just for the opportunity to play in New York with LeBron. Stoudamire will do the same if LeBron comes to NY, but both will settle for no less than max dollars if James elects NOT to come to NY — which brings us back to KING JAMES.

The good news for LeBron is that he has the option of choosing any team he wants to play for. The bad news is that D-Wade will be pushing for him to make a decision quickly. Otherwise D-Wade may make it for LeBron James, himself.

If D-Wade elects to stop waiting for LeBron to commit to Miami — or becomes convinced it’s not going to work out because of Bosh’ reluctance to settle for less than the Max — then he’ll have the choice of committing to Chicago (where his two children can be close to both parents, since Wade’s soon-to-be ex lives in Chicago) or head to New York.

Moreso, Wade can choose to leapfrog over Johnson and accept the deal in NY with LeBron and Stoudamire, join Johnson and Stoudamire in NY, or just head to the Bulls to play with Derrick Rose.

Either way, it creates an uncomfortable dilemma for James.

Even if The Chosen One wants to stay in Cleveland, how could he if D-Wade heads to NY with Stoudamire and possibly Johnson? Or if Wade elects to leave for Chicago, how could James stay in Cleveland with Wade/Rose/Joakim Noah in Chicago? Worse, how could James just stand pat knowing the NY Knicks would have Stoudamire and possibly Johnson — with a real possibility of getting Carmelo Anthony (who turned down a 3-year, $65-mil extension in Denver b/c he wants to come to NY next season) or Kevin Durant for the 2011 season?

Even better: How can LeBron turn down NY when he could join Johnson and Stoudamire there next season, knowing the Knicks will still be able to get Carmelo in 2011 once Eddy Curry comes off their salary cap?

LeBron may be the answer to everyone’s prayers, but he’s also the one with the biggest questions. Ironically, with all the moves being made, King James is the one individual in danger of making the wrong move, and paying dearly for it.

Afterll, it may be about the money with everyone else. With James, it’s about a title….and his legacy.

Friday, July 2nd, 2010 at 10:34 pm
by Stephen A.
 
Jalen Rose just put this up on twitter:

Breaking News(rumor has it)FA's Wade/Bosh hv made up their minds to play AGAINST Lebron so don't expect all 3 to play 2gether! WOW.
 
[quote name='dmaul1114']Steve Blake to the Lakers, 4 years-$16 million, per Sportscenter.[/QUOTE]Sweet! Another slow PG for Aaron Brooks and Kyle Lowry to exploit on the Lakers.
 
[quote name='Gentlegamer']Sweet! Another slow PG for Aaron Brooks and Kyle Lowry to exploit on the Lakers.[/QUOTE]

Yes, it's worked great so far with all the WC titles the Rockets have won in the past decade.
 
[quote name='Pure Apathy']Jalen Rose just put this up on twitter:

Breaking News(rumor has it)FA's Wade/Bosh hv made up their minds to play AGAINST Lebron so don't expect all 3 to play 2gether! WOW.[/QUOTE]


Jalen Rose is the same guy who was tweeting that all 3 wanted to play together.

Nobody even knows if Bosh/Wade want to play together. Bosh wants max and Miami isn't offering that. Trying to get a sign and trade to Houston. That leaves Wade/Boozer going to the Bulls.

Wade and James teaming up would be a deathnail for the NBA. It would lead to uninterest among fans of other teams even further. Plus James would probably lose Cred for trying to piggy back and having to team up with another HOFer to win a title instead of being the Man.
 
i think i just reached my breaking point. this is getting stupid. people are reporting fucking anything now. turned off by a guy in a wheelchair, come on now. how the fuck would anyone know that? unless bron came out and said i hate people in wheelchairs. reporter just want something on the front page because they feel they have to join thefrenzy. too many are taking back what they said on a hourly basis. call me when we have less rumors and more facts. this is like following middle school politics.
 
warrick sign with the suns.frye also signed with the suns. i a gld the suns didnt waste time crying over amare but warrick isnt that great of a player and they over paid foe frye.
 
[quote name='Soodmeg']i think i just reached my breaking point. this is getting stupid. people are reporting fucking anything now. turned off by a guy in a wheelchair, come on now. how the fuck would anyone know that? unless bron came out and said i hate people in wheelchairs. reporter just want something on the front page because they feel they have to join thefrenzy. too many are taking back what they said on a hourly basis. call me when we have less rumors and more facts. this is like following middle school politics.[/QUOTE]

If it were me, I would be impressed 10000 percent that a guy who just had major surgery 2 weeks ago rolled his ass out of bed and rolled himself up in wheelchair to impress me. That is commitment.


1 other thing. I love how this report of the Knicks being unorganized and unprepared came out. Because stories were breaking left and right that LeBron of all people showed up 40 minutes plus late to one of his meetings with a team. Add that to the fact that LeBron was showing up in a t shirt and basketball shorts to a business meeting.

Knicks beat writer for Newsday Alan Hahn stated that he believes it was Pat Riley with the smear campaign on the Knicks presentation. Rumors are that these teams pretty much do anything dirty against eachother to ruin things. Dave Checketts (former President of the Knicks) and Ernie Grunfeld (former GM of the Knicks) stated not too long ago that they would do anything dirty to ruin players chances in going to the Bulls during the 1990's.


Part of me believes that there are teams who just want to hold the Knicks down. Why? Because the Knicks have sucked for a decade and play in NY. It's more beneficial for the teams to keep NY down so NY isn't winning an extra 20-30 games a year and isn't getting great players on the team. NBA would love to have the Knicks be a Lakers lite for the success of the NBA. Knicks are one of the top money makers for the NBA even though the Knicks haven't made the playoffs since 2004 and only 2 times since 2001. 4 home playoff games in the past 10 years and still making money. Imagine how that would be if the Knicks finally got a great team.


Amare and his Agent are on a private plane right now to NY.
 
[quote name='Soodmeg']warrick sign with the suns.frye also signed with the suns. i a gld the suns didnt waste time crying over amare but warrick isnt that great of a player and they over paid foe frye.[/QUOTE]
I think Warrick could be good for us off the bench, but as a starter? I don't know man... at least he is cheap.

Suns offered Frye $25/5 but he rejected it, they kind of had to go up when Gooden got $32/5 and Milicic $20/4.
 
[quote name='wildcpac']If it were me, I would be impressed 10000 percent that a guy who just had major surgery 2 weeks ago rolled his ass out of bed and rolled himself up in wheelchair to impress me. That is commitment.


1 other thing. I love how this report of the Knicks being unorganized and unprepared came out. Because stories were breaking left and right that LeBron of all people showed up 40 minutes plus late to one of his meetings with a team. Add that to the fact that LeBron was showing up in a t shirt and basketball shorts to a business meeting.

Knicks beat writer for Newsday Alan Hahn stated that he believes it was Pat Riley with the smear campaign on the Knicks presentation. Rumors are that these teams pretty much do anything dirty against eachother to ruin things. Dave Checketts (former President of the Knicks) and Ernie Grunfeld (former GM of the Knicks) stated not too long ago that they would do anything dirty to ruin players chances in going to the Bulls during the 1990's.


Part of me believes that there are teams who just want to hold the Knicks down. Why? Because the Knicks have sucked for a decade and play in NY. It's more beneficial for the teams to keep NY down so NY isn't winning an extra 20-30 games a year and isn't getting great players on the team. NBA would love to have the Knicks be a Lakers lite for the success of the NBA. Knicks are one of the top money makers for the NBA even though the Knicks haven't made the playoffs since 2004 and only 2 times since 2001. 4 home playoff games in the past 10 years and still making money. Imagine how that would be if the Knicks finally got a great team.


Amare and his Agent are on a private plane right now to NY.[/QUOTE]


this post is delusional. other teams arent trying to sabatoge the knicks, they are doing a good job of sabatoging themselves, firstly by have that idiot dantoni for a head coach
 
Right. I guess the Cavs sabotaged themselves by surrounding James with scrubs. If the season starts today with James back on the Cavs, Bulls, Celtics, Magic, Thunder and Lakers all have better teams. James isn't going to win shit in Cleveland especially not anytime soon.

I like how my post is delusional. NBA teams have never smeared and started lies about eachother to improve their own chances. RIGHT!
 
bulls dont have a better team then the cavs, neither do the thunder. with lebron james, cavs are still just as good as all those teams and far better then the knicks. no matter how you twist it, lebrons supporting cast is still way better than anyone on the knicks except maybe lee who wont be there next year anyway

and im tired of all this talk about how bad the cavs would be if you took lebron off the team. take any teams star player off the team and they would suck too.

take melo off the nuggets and how good are they?
take rose off the bulls and how good are they?
take wade off the heat and how good are they?
pierce off celts?
roy off blazers?

i hope ive made my point
 
[quote name='wwe101']bulls dont have a better team then the cavs, neither do the thunder. with lebron james, cavs are still just as good as all those teams and far better then the knicks. no matter how you twist it, lebrons supporting cast is still way better than anyone on the knicks except maybe lee who wont be there next year anyway[/QUOTE]


Really now? Bulls have Noah and Rose another year better, mature and developed. That alone puts them ahead of the Cavs. Throw in whomever they sign this off season and they are 100 levels above the Cavs.


Thunder? Durant is on the same level as LeBron. Westbrook and Green are leagues ahead of anybody on the Cavs not named James.

James with Amare, Rooster and Chandler is better than the James, Mo Williams, Sideshow Bob and Hasbeen Jamison.


I am not even go into the fact the amount of talent that the Celtics, Lakers and Magic have. I will leave it at this. Guys on the bench of all 3 teams would be better than anyone James would play with in Cleveland. He isn't winning anytime soon in Cleveland. Not today and especially not tomorrow if the Bulls, Knicks and others continue to develop/improve their teams. Cavs at best are the 6th best team in the NBA today.
 
[quote name='wwe101']bulls dont have a better team then the cavs, neither do the thunder. with lebron james, cavs are still just as good as all those teams and far better then the knicks. no matter how you twist it, lebrons supporting cast is still way better than anyone on the knicks except maybe lee who wont be there next year anyway

and im tired of all this talk about how bad the cavs would be if you took lebron off the team. take any teams star player off the team and they would suck too.[/QUOTE]

...

The Bulls and Thunder aren't better than the Cavs? The Cavs roster is full of a bunch of loafers who cant win unless Lebron has a career night, which luckily for them, was pretty often. The Bulls and Thunder don't need insane performances from Rose or Durant night in and night out to win games.

It's alright to be a homer, but Jesus Christ dude.
 
[quote name='wildcpac']http://stephena.com/?p=953

As everyone knows, I reported last week on my morning drive show on Fox Sports Radio that LeBron James would join Dwayne Wade in Miami and take Chris Bosh with him to join the Heat. At the moment, that is still very possible, but there’s been a potentially huge monkey wrench thrown into the equation — with (understandable) greed on the part of Bosh being the main culprit.

So listen up. Here’s the breakdown:

All along, Pat Riley’s plan as President of the Heat was to convince Wade to take a paycut and offer all three (Wade, LeBron and Bosh) deals averaging approximately $15.7 mil….with opt-outs after three years. But since Bosh wants the max at all cost (and he’s trying to get it in a sign-and-trade deal with Houston), it changed the game for everyone. Especially Miami and New York.

Suddenly, the Knicks jumped into the fray yesterday and offered the same options to Joe Johnson, Amare Stoudamire and LeBron. Despite expecting a max offer from the Atlanta Hawks, it’s believed Johnson is considering the Knicks just for the opportunity to play in New York with LeBron. Stoudamire will do the same if LeBron comes to NY, but both will settle for no less than max dollars if James elects NOT to come to NY — which brings us back to KING JAMES.

The good news for LeBron is that he has the option of choosing any team he wants to play for. The bad news is that D-Wade will be pushing for him to make a decision quickly. Otherwise D-Wade may make it for LeBron James, himself.

If D-Wade elects to stop waiting for LeBron to commit to Miami — or becomes convinced it’s not going to work out because of Bosh’ reluctance to settle for less than the Max — then he’ll have the choice of committing to Chicago (where his two children can be close to both parents, since Wade’s soon-to-be ex lives in Chicago) or head to New York.

Moreso, Wade can choose to leapfrog over Johnson and accept the deal in NY with LeBron and Stoudamire, join Johnson and Stoudamire in NY, or just head to the Bulls to play with Derrick Rose.

Either way, it creates an uncomfortable dilemma for James.

Even if The Chosen One wants to stay in Cleveland, how could he if D-Wade heads to NY with Stoudamire and possibly Johnson? Or if Wade elects to leave for Chicago, how could James stay in Cleveland with Wade/Rose/Joakim Noah in Chicago? Worse, how could James just stand pat knowing the NY Knicks would have Stoudamire and possibly Johnson — with a real possibility of getting Carmelo Anthony (who turned down a 3-year, $65-mil extension in Denver b/c he wants to come to NY next season) or Kevin Durant for the 2011 season?

Even better: How can LeBron turn down NY when he could join Johnson and Stoudamire there next season, knowing the Knicks will still be able to get Carmelo in 2011 once Eddy Curry comes off their salary cap?

LeBron may be the answer to everyone’s prayers, but he’s also the one with the biggest questions. Ironically, with all the moves being made, King James is the one individual in danger of making the wrong move, and paying dearly for it.

Afterll, it may be about the money with everyone else. With James, it’s about a title….and his legacy.

Friday, July 2nd, 2010 at 10:34 pm
by Stephen A.[/QUOTE]

Man this is getting crazy.. my Heat CANNOT lose Wade! I'll be freaking devastated. (just please dont go to NY) Damn Bosh and his max money lol,
 
Ah this is where everybody went. i guess it is no surprise that I'm happy Pierce is coming back. BTW game 7 was a epic bad day for me four hours after that game i found out im getting passed over for promotion
 
High Stakes Poker being played. Bulls just finished their presentation to James. The main theme was can you Fill These Shoes with a picture of Old School Jordans.
 
[quote name='wwe101']pierce off celts?[/QUOTE]

Rondo, Allen and KG all say hello. Sure, the Truth is an integral part, but Rajon Rondo is the star now. Dude's coming along fantastic.

And the Heat smear campaign makes sense. Hell, I'd do it too if I had the opportunity, why not? Everybody sucks but me and mine, so f'off, right?
 
[quote name='advanced']Rondo, Allen and KG all say hello. Sure, the Truth is an integral part, but Rajon Rondo is the star now. Dude's coming along fantastic.

And the Heat smear campaign makes sense. Hell, I'd do it too if I had the opportunity, why not? Everybody sucks but me and mine, so f'off, right?[/QUOTE]


I hate the Celtics and I would still take Rondo, Perkins, Davis, KG, Allen, etc before I take 1 single player off the Cavs not named James.

Heat smear campaign makes a ton of sense. It's called doing whatever it takes to get an upper advantage. This is the same Pat Riley who while under contract with the Knicks back in 1995 talked to the Heat and worked out a deal to go there.


WWE, you can throw out all of these other teams but there is one big difference. James is the free agent. Not Melo and not Brandon Roy. Wade has his eyes on leaving Miami. Even if Wade stays in Miami, the team has a ton of money to sign free agents. Something Cleveland cannot do. The Cavs supporting cast is the biggest joke out of all the teams in the NBA that made the playoffs last year.
 
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/blog/ba...t=Ak4NxrAQv.lGK0GU.iTpCfQ5nYcB?urn=nba,253378

LeBron got these on Thursday when free agency started.

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[quote name='wildcpac']Rumor is that the Bulls had nothing to do with it and it was a 3rd party source that gave it to him.[/QUOTE]

The link says it was from the Chicago-based Leo Burnett Worldwide ad agency.

"LeBron, the fans of Chicago have a question for you," reads the two-page ad that ran in Thursday's Akron Beacon Journal, James' hometown paper. "Can you cast a shadow this big?"
The image is of an outline that looks a lot like Michael Jordan's, in the iconic, ball-in-one-hand pose, spread out over the Chicago cityscape. Dreamed up by sports-loving ad guys at the city's Leo Burnett agency and paid for by Burnett, it was the culmination of a four-day campaign featuring a fresh challenge each day. [...]
So Monday, they sent to his house the classic red, white and black Air Jordans and asked if he could fill those shoes. Tuesday it was a case featuring seven empty ring boxes, representing one more championship than Jordan won here, and the question, "Can you fill these boxes?"
Wednesday was a mock-up of a Chicago Tribune 10 years hence - still going strong, by the way - and the headline "Sweet Throne, Chicago: With Title No. 7, It's Officially King James' Court."
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For some reason it says the shoes were delivered on Monday instead of Thursday like other articles say. Still, it's pretty clever on their part to try to get LeBron to come to Chicago.
 
[quote name='wildcpac']Really now? Bulls have Noah and Rose another year better, mature and developed. That alone puts them ahead of the Cavs. Throw in whomever they sign this off season and they are 100 levels above the Cavs.


Thunder? Durant is on the same level as LeBron. Westbrook and Green are leagues ahead of anybody on the Cavs not named James.

James with Amare, Rooster and Chandler is better than the James, Mo Williams, Sideshow Bob and Hasbeen Jamison.


I am not even go into the fact the amount of talent that the Celtics, Lakers and Magic have. I will leave it at this. Guys on the bench of all 3 teams would be better than anyone James would play with in Cleveland. He isn't winning anytime soon in Cleveland. Not today and especially not tomorrow if the Bulls, Knicks and others continue to develop/improve their teams. Cavs at best are the 6th best team in the NBA today.[/QUOTE]


dude how many times do i have to explain that you cant compare two teams when you are taking the star player off one of them and leaving the roster complete on the other one. take both rose and lebron off their respective teams and cavs would be a 7th-8th seed while bulls would be a lottery team. and i really dont understand why you are blowing up joakim noah for some reason, dude is basically anderson varejao.
 
Why would I take Rose off of the Bulls? He is already signed for next year. James is the free agent. Plus Noah is a better #2 than anybody James is playing with. You can make an argument that Deng even severely overpaid is better than anybody on the Cavs as well not named James.

This has nothing to do with any other team. It has to do with the fact that teams are improving, James is a free agent and the Cavs roster is a joke for a "contender". I know you are a homer but you really cannot deny the fact that the Lakers, Celtics and Magic have more talent on their bench than the Cavs have on their starting roster not named James.

Cavs would be a 7th seed? Are you sure about that now? Are you really sure about that? Jamison is turning into a has been who did nothing for a Wizards team the past couple of years. Wizards won 26 games last year with Jamison being there for 75 percent of the season. Wizards won 19 games in 2009 with Jamison being the star of that team. He isn't a star and he is going to be 34 next year. Oops, I forgot. SideShow Bob, Delonte West and Mo Williams would round out the rest of the team and get them to 45 wins. My bad. end sarcasm


Let the Dominoes begin to fall.

http://twitter.com/brahmresnik

Aloha Amare: 12 News' Bruce Cooper confirms Stoudemire deal w NY Knicks is done. 5yrs/$100M guaranteed.
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^^^^lets see lebron "terrible" supporting cast

mo williams: 16ppg
antawn jamison 17ppg
shaq 11ppg

now show me the top 3 scoring numbers for the guys in chicago not named derrick rose.
 
[quote name='wwe101']^^^^lets see lebron "terrible" supporting cast

mo williams: 16ppg
antawn jamison 17ppg
shaq 11ppg

now show me the top 3 scoring numbers for the guys in chicago not named derrick rose.[/QUOTE]

Couple of little facts. Mo and Hasbeen both averaged 15.8 ppg last year for the Cavs. Not 16 and 17. Luol Deng averaged 17.6


Are you going to mention the fact that Mo Williams gets a ton of wide open looks due to James getting doubled team. There is a lot more to the NBA besides scoring points. Which is why the Cavs cant get out of the 2nd round. Which is why the Lakers, Celtics and Magic all have better players on their bench than the Cavs have for a supporting cast.

You clearly won the argument though. Shaq is pushing 40 and Jamison is going to be 34. That is a great team to put yourself with. Especially when the rest of the league has young talent all over the place and improving.
 
^^^yet the "no talent" cavs knocked out the bulls in the first round in 5 games. the same bulls that you said are 100x better than the cavs.:lol:

go on tell me about how joakim noah is the next wilt and how him and rose will win many titles together...........:roll:
 
[quote name='wildcpac']Couple of little facts. Mo and Hasbeen both averaged 15.8 ppg last year for the Cavs. Not 16 and 17. Luol Deng averaged 17.6


Are you going to mention the fact that Mo Williams gets a ton of wide open looks due to James getting doubled team. There is a lot more to the NBA besides scoring points. Which is why the Cavs cant get out of the 2nd round. Which is why the Lakers, Celtics and Magic all have better players on their bench than the Cavs have for a supporting cast.

You clearly won the argument though. Shaq is pushing 40 and Jamison is going to be 34. That is a great team to put yourself with. Especially when the rest of the league has young talent all over the place and improving.[/QUOTE]

Points mean nothing when you can't provide support when needed.
For Example Shrek and Donkey stepped up in game four of the finals http://bleacherreport.com/articles/404793-nba-finals-game-4-analysis-donkey-shrek-lead-way-for-boston-celtics Artest Stepped up in Game 7. If you look at the stats for Game 5 of the Boston Vs Cleveland Series Lebron had
15 Shaq had 21 Mo had 9 and Jamison had 9.That team is going to be demolished with or without Lebron.
 
[quote name='wwe101']^^^yet the "no talent" cavs knocked out the bulls in the first round in 5 games. the same bulls that you said are 100x better than the cavs.:lol:

go on tell me about how joakim noah is the next wilt and how him and rose will win many titles together...........:roll:[/QUOTE]


Noah and Rose are going to be another year better and mature. Still improving and should add a big time player into the mix. Something along the lines of Wade possibly.

James is much better than Rose but Rose is still improving. Deng is better than anybody on the Cavs and younger. Noah is much better than Sideshow Bob.

Your veteran team just barely beat a bunch of youngsters in the first round. WOW and especially after the Cavs had 20 more wins in the regular season.

What team do you think is going to improve big time this off seasons? Bulls or Cavs? hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm. Not the cavs!
 
[quote name='wildcpac']Noah and Rose are going to be another year better and mature. Still improving and should add a big time player into the mix. Something along the lines of Wade possibly.

James is much better than Rose but Rose is still improving. Deng is better than anybody on the Cavs and younger. Noah is much better than Sideshow Bob.

Your veteran team just barely beat a bunch of youngsters in the first round. WOW and especially after the Cavs had 20 more wins in the regular season.

What team do you think is going to improve big time this off seasons? Bulls or Cavs? hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm. Not the cavs![/QUOTE]
i guess we will see soon.:) im going to bring up this post in about two weeks and remind you of this comment you wrote.
 
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