2010-2011 NBA Season Thread
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[quote name='Soodmeg']another day gone and all we have is more rumors. myfear is that there is so much time left in fa as a whole this will get drawn out for weeks for everyone not named king james.[/QUOTE]
Not going to happen. Players and teams want to know asap what they are doing. James has stated that he should announce his decision by Monday the earliest or sometime mid next week. Some of these guys are just trying to enjoy the holiday weekend. Wade being one of them. Plus contracts cannot be official til the 8th at the earliest anyways. All of these teams have contingency plans on who goes where. Once that James domino falls the rest will follow.
Not going to happen. Players and teams want to know asap what they are doing. James has stated that he should announce his decision by Monday the earliest or sometime mid next week. Some of these guys are just trying to enjoy the holiday weekend. Wade being one of them. Plus contracts cannot be official til the 8th at the earliest anyways. All of these teams have contingency plans on who goes where. Once that James domino falls the rest will follow.
Paul Pierce, 4 years, 61 million... Would've earned 21 million this year. Doesn't do much for the Celtics capwise but it saves them a minimum of 12 million dollars this year due to the luxury tax, depending on how the contract is structured.
Now they can work on Ray Allen, trade Sheed's contract and get a big with the MLE (Brad Miller?). They're talking to the Suns about Leandro Barbosa for Sheed. Sheed would then retire and the Celtics would cover his buyout, the Suns would pay no money.
They're also talking to the Jail Blazers about Rudy Fernandez, but (I guess) so are the Knicks.
Now they can work on Ray Allen, trade Sheed's contract and get a big with the MLE (Brad Miller?). They're talking to the Suns about Leandro Barbosa for Sheed. Sheed would then retire and the Celtics would cover his buyout, the Suns would pay no money.
They're also talking to the Jail Blazers about Rudy Fernandez, but (I guess) so are the Knicks.
Rumor going around is that LeBron isn't going to make his announcement on what he is doing until the 7th. He has a basketball camp Monday-Wednesday. So Wednesday night at the earliest.
Doesn't seem to me that he is staying in Cleveland because if he were it would be rather ho hum. Him announcing that he is leaving will be a media circus and why wait the extra couple of days to say I am staying.
Doesn't seem to me that he is staying in Cleveland because if he were it would be rather ho hum. Him announcing that he is leaving will be a media circus and why wait the extra couple of days to say I am staying.
[quote name='wwe101']anyone else smell that? it smells like a bosh sign and trade to cleveland to me!
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This has been reported nowhere. Have fun living in fantasy land where the Cavs are the best team in the league. It'll be quite hilarious when Lebron goes someone else and all the people in Cleveland fill the streets with tears.
Go Cavs tho amirite?
[/QUOTE]This has been reported nowhere. Have fun living in fantasy land where the Cavs are the best team in the league. It'll be quite hilarious when Lebron goes someone else and all the people in Cleveland fill the streets with tears.
Go Cavs tho amirite?
[quote name='SEH']This has been reported nowhere. Have fun living in fantasy land where the Cavs are the best team in the league. It'll be quite hilarious when Lebron goes someone else and all the people in Cleveland fill the streets with tears.
Go Cavs tho amirite?
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Hahahahahahaha. I am still waiting for WWE to tell me who the Cavs are going to trade for Bosh. Especially when the Raptors are losing interest, pissed off at Bosh and do not want to see him make an extra 30 million. Especially when Bosh is joint at the hip with his GF Dwayne Wade. Cavs are going to trade who for Bosh? Mo Williams and Sideshow Bob? Yup, I am sure the Raptors want to put themselves in cap hell for those 2. I am sure the Raptors want to help the Cavs out and become a wonderteam as well.
Plus James already met with everybody. Why doesn't he just come out today and say Hey I am staying in Cleveland. It wouldn't be that big of news. Why wait until the 7th? What more does he have to go over? He knows who all of the teams are, all of the possibilities, he has known this for months. He knows who he will play with on other teams. Why wait til the 7th after his mini camp to say I am staying in Cleveland. It's non news. Now him saying I am leaving for City X would be the biggest news story of the year. This is why he hasn't said anything because he doesn't want the media circus when he is trying to run his camp.
Go Cavs tho amirite?
[/QUOTE]Hahahahahahaha. I am still waiting for WWE to tell me who the Cavs are going to trade for Bosh. Especially when the Raptors are losing interest, pissed off at Bosh and do not want to see him make an extra 30 million. Especially when Bosh is joint at the hip with his GF Dwayne Wade. Cavs are going to trade who for Bosh? Mo Williams and Sideshow Bob? Yup, I am sure the Raptors want to put themselves in cap hell for those 2. I am sure the Raptors want to help the Cavs out and become a wonderteam as well.
Plus James already met with everybody. Why doesn't he just come out today and say Hey I am staying in Cleveland. It wouldn't be that big of news. Why wait until the 7th? What more does he have to go over? He knows who all of the teams are, all of the possibilities, he has known this for months. He knows who he will play with on other teams. Why wait til the 7th after his mini camp to say I am staying in Cleveland. It's non news. Now him saying I am leaving for City X would be the biggest news story of the year. This is why he hasn't said anything because he doesn't want the media circus when he is trying to run his camp.
[quote name='wildcpac']Hahahahahahaha. I am still waiting for WWE to tell me who the Cavs are going to trade for Bosh. Especially when the Raptors are losing interest, pissed off at Bosh and do not want to see him make an extra 30 million. Especially when Bosh is joint at the hip with his GF Dwayne Wade. Cavs are going to trade who for Bosh? Mo Williams and Sideshow Bob? Yup, I am sure the Raptors want to put themselves in cap hell for those 2. I am sure the Raptors want to help the Cavs out and become a wonderteam as well.
Plus James already met with everybody. Why doesn't he just come out today and say Hey I am staying in Cleveland. It wouldn't be that big of news. Why wait until the 7th? What more does he have to go over? He knows who all of the teams are, all of the possibilities, he has known this for months. He knows who he will play with on other teams. Why wait til the 7th after his mini camp to say I am staying in Cleveland. It's non news. Now him saying I am leaving for City X would be the biggest news story of the year. This is why he hasn't said anything because he doesn't want the media circus when he is trying to run his camp.[/QUOTE]
everything should become clear in a couple of days. many people will be shocked. i just want everyone to remember what i was saying in a couple of days from now.
Plus James already met with everybody. Why doesn't he just come out today and say Hey I am staying in Cleveland. It wouldn't be that big of news. Why wait until the 7th? What more does he have to go over? He knows who all of the teams are, all of the possibilities, he has known this for months. He knows who he will play with on other teams. Why wait til the 7th after his mini camp to say I am staying in Cleveland. It's non news. Now him saying I am leaving for City X would be the biggest news story of the year. This is why he hasn't said anything because he doesn't want the media circus when he is trying to run his camp.[/QUOTE]
everything should become clear in a couple of days. many people will be shocked.
i just want everyone to remember what i was saying in a couple of days from now.[quote name='SEH']oOoOo inzider knowlidge!111!![/QUOTE]
not really, i just put the obvious together.
1. Lebron staying in cleveland. why? cleveland can give him the best contract, he just built a new house a couple years ago in akron, his family/friends are all here, he doesnt want to be known as a quitter/ring chaser.
good luck trying to convince a guy that is all about loyalty to abandon his home
2. bosh will be sign and traded, he wont straight out sign with another team. why? bosh wants the full 6 year max that only toronto can give him. toronto would like some talent in return for him. none of the other big destinations have any talent to trade to toronto since they gutted their roster to free cap space. so that pretty much eliminates the destinations of NYK, the heat, the nets, and even the bulls.
not really, i just put the obvious together.
1. Lebron staying in cleveland. why? cleveland can give him the best contract, he just built a new house a couple years ago in akron, his family/friends are all here, he doesnt want to be known as a quitter/ring chaser.
good luck trying to convince a guy that is all about loyalty to abandon his home
2. bosh will be sign and traded, he wont straight out sign with another team. why? bosh wants the full 6 year max that only toronto can give him. toronto would like some talent in return for him. none of the other big destinations have any talent to trade to toronto since they gutted their roster to free cap space. so that pretty much eliminates the destinations of NYK, the heat, the nets, and even the bulls.
1. Cleveland can offer him the most money via contract. James would more than make that up living in NY during the season. Guy would be printing money 24/7 living in NY.
2. Cleveland can also offer the worst supporting cast out of any of the teams looking to sign him. LeBron also doesn't want to be known as a Loser either which he has been for his whole career now. He isn't going to win with SideShow Bob, 34 year old Jamison and Mo Williams.
3. Bosh is going to be sign and traded? Is that why every Report out there is stating that the Raptors have zero interest in making Bosh happy now and having him get a full 130 million? You still haven't told me who the Raptors are going to take in a trade from the Cavs? I cannot picture the Raptors being interested in Sideshow Bob and Mo Williams. Plus doing a sign and trade is going to further devalue the rest of the shitty Cavs roster. Cavs would improve their #2 but devalue 3, 4 and 5 just as much if not more.
Tell me, if James wanted to stay so badly, how come he didn't commit to a contract yesterday? Why does he have to sit around and wait til Wednesday at the earliest? Why is he waiting til after his Camp is overwith? Him staying in Cleveland is a non story and rather ho hum. Him announcing that he is leaving is a Media Circus which would keep him busy/crazy the next 3 days.
2. Cleveland can also offer the worst supporting cast out of any of the teams looking to sign him. LeBron also doesn't want to be known as a Loser either which he has been for his whole career now. He isn't going to win with SideShow Bob, 34 year old Jamison and Mo Williams.
3. Bosh is going to be sign and traded? Is that why every Report out there is stating that the Raptors have zero interest in making Bosh happy now and having him get a full 130 million? You still haven't told me who the Raptors are going to take in a trade from the Cavs? I cannot picture the Raptors being interested in Sideshow Bob and Mo Williams. Plus doing a sign and trade is going to further devalue the rest of the shitty Cavs roster. Cavs would improve their #2 but devalue 3, 4 and 5 just as much if not more.
Tell me, if James wanted to stay so badly, how come he didn't commit to a contract yesterday? Why does he have to sit around and wait til Wednesday at the earliest? Why is he waiting til after his Camp is overwith? Him staying in Cleveland is a non story and rather ho hum. Him announcing that he is leaving is a Media Circus which would keep him busy/crazy the next 3 days.
ok, from what i have pieced together so far: the cavs have a package in place that would bring bosh and hedo to the cavs. im not sure of all the exact players cavs are giving in this package but i do know 3 of them will be west,hickson, and varejao. raps like this package the best out of all the offers they have recieved and they want to pull the trigger on it. problem is bosh doesnt want to go to cleveland. toronto is trying to force his hand into the cleveland trade but he doesnt want it unless he is sure lebron is staying. this is why bosh and toronto are not loving each other at the moment. again this can all change at any minute so just treat this as a rumor.
[quote name='wwe101']ok, from what i have pieced together so far: the cavs have a package in place that would bring bosh and hedo to the cavs. im not sure of all the exact players cavs are giving in this package but i do know 3 of them will be west,hickson, and varejao. raps like this package the best out of all the offers they have recieved and they want to pull the trigger on it. problem is bosh doesnt want to go to cleveland. toronto is trying to force his hand into the cleveland trade but he doesnt want it unless he is sure lebron is staying. this is why bosh and toronto are not loving each other at the moment. again this can all change at any minute so just treat this as a rumor.[/QUOTE]
It's actually kind of scary/creepy the rumors you'll make up to make yourself feel better.
Let me try...
Rumor has it the Bucks are going to trade Mbah a Moute to LA in exchange for Kobe and Odom. It's also looking like they will sign DWade. I cant confirm this, but it's looking to be the case.
See what I did there. Anyone can make bullshit up too.
It's actually kind of scary/creepy the rumors you'll make up to make yourself feel better.
Let me try...
Rumor has it the Bucks are going to trade Mbah a Moute to LA in exchange for Kobe and Odom. It's also looking like they will sign DWade. I cant confirm this, but it's looking to be the case.
See what I did there. Anyone can make bullshit up too.
SEH, it's an actual trade rumor being discussed on realgm.com. But several of the posters are saying that it's a fan idea and not a legit rumor. I do not think one beat writer has even mentioned the rumor yet.
Just read on realgm.com that it's a fan idea and not an actual trade rumor.
Just read on realgm.com that it's a fan idea and not an actual trade rumor.
[quote name='wildcpac']SEH, it's an actual trade rumor being discussed on realgm.com. But several of the posters are saying that it's a fan idea and not a legit rumor. I do not think one beat writer has even mentioned the rumor yet.
Just read on realgm.com that it's a fan idea and not an actual trade rumor.[/QUOTE]
Money on WWE101 being the one who put this "rumor" to realgm.com?
Just read on realgm.com that it's a fan idea and not an actual trade rumor.[/QUOTE]
Money on WWE101 being the one who put this "rumor" to realgm.com?
It is taking the talking heads forever and a day to release news. This is why I do not trust any of them.
Frank Isola of the NY Daily News confirmed that the Knicks sent out 2 representatives yesterday who had a meeting Saturday night with LeBron's reps.
“According to Knicks official, MSG prez Scott O’Neil and Glen Grunwald, VP of basketball ops, were sent to Ohio after Amar’e agreed to deal
Took almost a full 24 hours for that news to come out.
Frank Isola of the NY Daily News confirmed that the Knicks sent out 2 representatives yesterday who had a meeting Saturday night with LeBron's reps.
“According to Knicks official, MSG prez Scott O’Neil and Glen Grunwald, VP of basketball ops, were sent to Ohio after Amar’e agreed to deal
Took almost a full 24 hours for that news to come out.
[quote name='wildcpac']Right. Thats why the Knicks had a meeting yesterday with James agent and another one tonight.
That is why Maverick Carter is rumored to be flying to NY possibly with James on Wednesday.[/QUOTE]
Chad Ford"
Just spoke to Knicks president Donnie Walsh. He said no meeting tonight with LeBron James. Link and larger story coming ...
That is why Maverick Carter is rumored to be flying to NY possibly with James on Wednesday.[/QUOTE]
Chad Ford"
Just spoke to Knicks president Donnie Walsh. He said no meeting tonight with LeBron James. Link and larger story coming ...
Brian Windhorst PDcavsinsider
According to league source, Knicks are planning another trip to Cleveland to meet with LeBron tonight
You really want to start trusting beat writers WWE, feel free because they are all over the place. And just because Walsh says they aren't meeting with James doesn't meant they aren't meeting with his agent again. You know, like a little half truth.
I'll tell you a full truth which has been confirmed. Knicks Higher Up's meet for a full hour with James agent yesterday morning. That meeting was kept a secret for 36 hours. These talking heads have no clue what is going on.
According to league source, Knicks are planning another trip to Cleveland to meet with LeBron tonight
You really want to start trusting beat writers WWE, feel free because they are all over the place. And just because Walsh says they aren't meeting with James doesn't meant they aren't meeting with his agent again. You know, like a little half truth.
I'll tell you a full truth which has been confirmed. Knicks Higher Up's meet for a full hour with James agent yesterday morning. That meeting was kept a secret for 36 hours. These talking heads have no clue what is going on.
[quote name='wildcpac']Brian Windhorst PDcavsinsider
According to league source, Knicks are planning another trip to Cleveland to meet with LeBron tonight[/QUOTE]
they can plan as many trips to cleveland as they want. lebron will happily show them around his city then send them packing.
According to league source, Knicks are planning another trip to Cleveland to meet with LeBron tonight[/QUOTE]
they can plan as many trips to cleveland as they want. lebron will happily show them around his city then send them packing.
Ooooo and another thing, what GM goes out revealing secrets to the 
ing media? And lets cats out of the bag. This is the same media that took a day and a half to find out that the Knicks had a 2nd meeting yesterday morning with Lebrons Agent.
Fall/Winter of 2008. Brian Cashman goes around saying that the Yankees aren't interested in Mark Teixeira. That the Yankees cannot afford Mark Teixeira. Cashman went out and traded for Nick Swisher. Cashman then went to the Media and stated that Nick Swisher would be the 1b for 2009. Even when further pressed about the issue he stated that the Yankees do not have the money or the position for Mark.
What happened a couple of weeks later? Yankees went out and signed Mark Teixeira.
GM's lie and tell half truths. They aren't going to reveal their cards to the Media so it can be online with everybody finding out in 2 minutes.
ing media? And lets cats out of the bag. This is the same media that took a day and a half to find out that the Knicks had a 2nd meeting yesterday morning with Lebrons Agent. Fall/Winter of 2008. Brian Cashman goes around saying that the Yankees aren't interested in Mark Teixeira. That the Yankees cannot afford Mark Teixeira. Cashman went out and traded for Nick Swisher. Cashman then went to the Media and stated that Nick Swisher would be the 1b for 2009. Even when further pressed about the issue he stated that the Yankees do not have the money or the position for Mark.
What happened a couple of weeks later? Yankees went out and signed Mark Teixeira.
GM's lie and tell half truths. They aren't going to reveal their cards to the Media so it can be online with everybody finding out in 2 minutes.
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This type of off-season just proves my argument that most pro athletes really don't give a shit about winning, they just wanna get paid.
I don't blame them for trying to get their money, but the hypocrisy is just annoying. They always say how its about the ring and nothing else matters...put your money where you mouth is, take less money to sign with a team where winning the ring is possible.
Dirk re-signing with the Mavs is a perfect example of this...I'm sorry, Dirk will never win a ring in Dallas with the players that are currently around him, it just won't happen. And him signing another max 5 or 6 year deal pretty much seals his fate of never winning a ring.
I'm not asking guys to de-value themselves, but goddamn, is that extra $4-5 million/year REALLY going to make a difference? Sure, they lose out on anywhere between $20-$30 mill over the life of a contract, but they have so muching money it ultimately seems pointless to me.
I don't blame them for trying to get their money, but the hypocrisy is just annoying. They always say how its about the ring and nothing else matters...put your money where you mouth is, take less money to sign with a team where winning the ring is possible.
Dirk re-signing with the Mavs is a perfect example of this...I'm sorry, Dirk will never win a ring in Dallas with the players that are currently around him, it just won't happen. And him signing another max 5 or 6 year deal pretty much seals his fate of never winning a ring.
I'm not asking guys to de-value themselves, but goddamn, is that extra $4-5 million/year REALLY going to make a difference? Sure, they lose out on anywhere between $20-$30 mill over the life of a contract, but they have so much
ing money it ultimately seems pointless to me.LakersForLife82481
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JA Adande, ESPN writer, says he got a tantalizing text from a knicks representative/official that tomorrow should be a very interesting day.
I'm banking that the amar'e to Knicks news becomes official tomorrow
OR
...Lebron commits to the Knicks. But I think it'll be amar'e. I still think Lebron's going to the Knicks, thanks to everything that happened today, just wont be announced tomorrow because he wants to get the HS camp out of the way....
I'm banking that the amar'e to Knicks news becomes official tomorrow
OR
...Lebron commits to the Knicks. But I think it'll be amar'e. I still think Lebron's going to the Knicks, thanks to everything that happened today, just wont be announced tomorrow because he wants to get the HS camp out of the way....
[quote name='yukine']Isn't Amare to the Knicks a given by now? He is already posting on Twitter about New York restaurants and shows, as well as posting pics with a Yankees hat on.[/QUOTE]I wouldn't read into his hat. He's one of those dudes that became a fan of the best teams out there when he was a kid. So although he is from Ohio, he is a Yankees and Cowboys fan. Don't know what his basketball team was but it wouldn't surprise me if he was a Bulls fan growing up.
LeBron is a Yankees fan and has been seen wearing wearing Yankees hats around for years. I am 99.9999 percent sure that he has even wore Yankee hats to Yankee/Indians games in Cleveland. Combine that with him being very good friends with CC Sabathia.
Amare yesterday met up with Coach Pringles for breakfast to clear the air from their days in Phoenix. He then went to the Yankee game and sat front row for half the game. He then went to Jim Dolans (owner of the Knicks) 4th of July BBQ in the Hamptons. He has a meeting with everybody from the Knicks this morning and is pretty much signed sealed and delivered.
Amare yesterday met up with Coach Pringles for breakfast to clear the air from their days in Phoenix. He then went to the Yankee game and sat front row for half the game. He then went to Jim Dolans (owner of the Knicks) 4th of July BBQ in the Hamptons. He has a meeting with everybody from the Knicks this morning and is pretty much signed sealed and delivered.
[quote name='A Happy Panda']This type of off-season just proves my argument that most pro athletes really don't give a shit about winning, they just wanna get paid.
I don't blame them for trying to get their money, but the hypocrisy is just annoying. They always say how its about the ring and nothing else matters...put your money where you mouth is, take less money to sign with a team where winning the ring is possible.
Dirk re-signing with the Mavs is a perfect example of this...I'm sorry, Dirk will never win a ring in Dallas with the players that are currently around him, it just won't happen. And him signing another max 5 or 6 year deal pretty much seals his fate of never winning a ring.
I'm not asking guys to de-value themselves, but goddamn, is that extra $4-5 million/year REALLY going to make a difference? Sure, they lose out on anywhere between $20-$30 mill over the life of a contract, but they have so muching money it ultimately seems pointless to me.[/QUOTE]
Mavericks will most likely remain competitive during Dirks run and anything is possible. Lakers needed a gift from god In Gasol to turn that franchise around. Celtics turned their franchise around with a gift from god in KG and Allen. It is very possible to improve the team via trades. Cuban has shown that he is more than willing to spend money on the team. Mavericks "lost" the 2006 Finals and did everything to improve the team. Some of it was stupid though. Heat "won" the 2006 finals and have completely gut their team out.
I really cant blame Dirk for staying for numerous reasons. 1. He is a god in Dallas and the franchise best player of all time. 2. Cuban will take great care of him after he retires. 3. These players have so many hanger ons and people dependent on them. That extra 4-5 million a year and 20-30 over the course of a contract means a big thing. Especially when most of them live an expensive life style that we could only dream about and have to maintain it. Combine that with the fact that a great majority of them end up broke. Scottie Pippen is the latest star to end up broke or near it. Allen Iverson is rumored to have been living paycheck to paycheck for years now. Fatso Eddy Curry owes people and creditors millions of dollars.
I don't blame them for trying to get their money, but the hypocrisy is just annoying. They always say how its about the ring and nothing else matters...put your money where you mouth is, take less money to sign with a team where winning the ring is possible.
Dirk re-signing with the Mavs is a perfect example of this...I'm sorry, Dirk will never win a ring in Dallas with the players that are currently around him, it just won't happen. And him signing another max 5 or 6 year deal pretty much seals his fate of never winning a ring.
I'm not asking guys to de-value themselves, but goddamn, is that extra $4-5 million/year REALLY going to make a difference? Sure, they lose out on anywhere between $20-$30 mill over the life of a contract, but they have so much
ing money it ultimately seems pointless to me.[/QUOTE]Mavericks will most likely remain competitive during Dirks run and anything is possible. Lakers needed a gift from god In Gasol to turn that franchise around. Celtics turned their franchise around with a gift from god in KG and Allen. It is very possible to improve the team via trades. Cuban has shown that he is more than willing to spend money on the team. Mavericks "lost" the 2006 Finals and did everything to improve the team. Some of it was stupid though. Heat "won" the 2006 finals and have completely gut their team out.
I really cant blame Dirk for staying for numerous reasons. 1. He is a god in Dallas and the franchise best player of all time. 2. Cuban will take great care of him after he retires. 3. These players have so many hanger ons and people dependent on them. That extra 4-5 million a year and 20-30 over the course of a contract means a big thing. Especially when most of them live an expensive life style that we could only dream about and have to maintain it. Combine that with the fact that a great majority of them end up broke. Scottie Pippen is the latest star to end up broke or near it. Allen Iverson is rumored to have been living paycheck to paycheck for years now. Fatso Eddy Curry owes people and creditors millions of dollars.
Rumors are flying that the Chicago Bulls told LeBron that his hanger ons wouldn't get jobs with the team and wouldn't be allowed to be with the team. Not smart of a thing to do if true if you ask me. No Special Privileges for him. Stupid!
WFan 660 is reporting that the Bulls and Wade had a 3rd meeting this past weekend.
WFan 660 is reporting that the Bulls and Wade had a 3rd meeting this past weekend.
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[quote name='A Happy Panda']This type of off-season just proves my argument that most pro athletes really don't give a shit about winning, they just wanna get paid.
I don't blame them for trying to get their money, but the hypocrisy is just annoying. They always say how its about the ring and nothing else matters...put your money where you mouth is, take less money to sign with a team where winning the ring is possible.
Dirk re-signing with the Mavs is a perfect example of this...I'm sorry, Dirk will never win a ring in Dallas with the players that are currently around him, it just won't happen. And him signing another max 5 or 6 year deal pretty much seals his fate of never winning a ring.
I'm not asking guys to de-value themselves, but goddamn, is that extra $4-5 million/year REALLY going to make a difference? Sure, they lose out on anywhere between $20-$30 mill over the life of a contract, but they have so muching money it ultimately seems pointless to me.[/QUOTE]
Dirk didn't sign a max deal. He could have made 20 million more if he wanted it. He plays for an owner who always is willing to spend money and he plays for a team that is close. Roddy B is on the rise, Caron Butler has another year to gel with Dirk, and next year the Mavs have a ton of salary coming off the books.
Also the West is getting weaker. The only team who would stand in their way if they kept shit intact would be OKC, LA, and maybe Portland. Every other major team is too old or they are losing someone. I would have included SA, but I think Duncan is going to decline again this year and they look like they might just break shit up with the trading Parker talk.
And thank you wildcpac for putting win and loss in quotes. That series turned me off of the NBA for years. It still leaves a sour taste in my mouth.ing Stu Jackson and David Stern did everything possible to rig that shit.
I don't blame them for trying to get their money, but the hypocrisy is just annoying. They always say how its about the ring and nothing else matters...put your money where you mouth is, take less money to sign with a team where winning the ring is possible.
Dirk re-signing with the Mavs is a perfect example of this...I'm sorry, Dirk will never win a ring in Dallas with the players that are currently around him, it just won't happen. And him signing another max 5 or 6 year deal pretty much seals his fate of never winning a ring.
I'm not asking guys to de-value themselves, but goddamn, is that extra $4-5 million/year REALLY going to make a difference? Sure, they lose out on anywhere between $20-$30 mill over the life of a contract, but they have so much
ing money it ultimately seems pointless to me.[/QUOTE]Dirk didn't sign a max deal. He could have made 20 million more if he wanted it. He plays for an owner who always is willing to spend money and he plays for a team that is close. Roddy B is on the rise, Caron Butler has another year to gel with Dirk, and next year the Mavs have a ton of salary coming off the books.
Also the West is getting weaker. The only team who would stand in their way if they kept shit intact would be OKC, LA, and maybe Portland. Every other major team is too old or they are losing someone. I would have included SA, but I think Duncan is going to decline again this year and they look like they might just break shit up with the trading Parker talk.
And thank you wildcpac for putting win and loss in quotes. That series turned me off of the NBA for years. It still leaves a sour taste in my mouth.
ing Stu Jackson and David Stern did everything possible to rig that shit.
[quote name='wildcpac']Mavericks will most likely remain competitive during Dirks run and anything is possible. Lakers needed a gift from god In Gasol to turn that franchise around. Celtics turned their franchise around with a gift from god in KG and Allen. It is very possible to improve the team via trades. Cuban has shown that he is more than willing to spend money on the team. Mavericks "lost" the 2006 Finals and did everything to improve the team. Some of it was stupid though. Heat "won" the 2006 finals and have completely gut their team out.
I really cant blame Dirk for staying for numerous reasons. 1. He is a god in Dallas and the franchise best player of all time. 2. Cuban will take great care of him after he retires. 3. These players have so many hanger ons and people dependent on them. That extra 4-5 million a year and 20-30 over the course of a contract means a big thing. Especially when most of them live an expensive life style that we could only dream about and have to maintain it. Combine that with the fact that a great majority of them end up broke. Scottie Pippen is the latest star to end up broke or near it. Allen Iverson is rumored to have been living paycheck to paycheck for years now. Fatso Eddy Curry owes people and creditors millions of dollars.[/QUOTE]
Thats one positive thing I can say about Mark Cuban he takes care of his players.
Scottie made bad business choices that why he ended up broke. He lost 120 million!!!!!!
I really cant blame Dirk for staying for numerous reasons. 1. He is a god in Dallas and the franchise best player of all time. 2. Cuban will take great care of him after he retires. 3. These players have so many hanger ons and people dependent on them. That extra 4-5 million a year and 20-30 over the course of a contract means a big thing. Especially when most of them live an expensive life style that we could only dream about and have to maintain it. Combine that with the fact that a great majority of them end up broke. Scottie Pippen is the latest star to end up broke or near it. Allen Iverson is rumored to have been living paycheck to paycheck for years now. Fatso Eddy Curry owes people and creditors millions of dollars.[/QUOTE]
Thats one positive thing I can say about Mark Cuban he takes care of his players.
Scottie made bad business choices that why he ended up broke. He lost 120 million!!!!!!
[quote name='jlarlee']hawks just guaranteed themselves a decade of futility. Was anyone else even going to go over 100 mil?[/QUOTE]
Knicks, Bulls and Heat were all rumored to try to get Joe Johnson to take less and be part of a big 3 signing. Rumors are that he is a small town boy who couldn't make it in the big city. And to be honest, if he averaged 12 ppg in the playoffs in Chicago or NY he would be run out of town. Guy just pulled the biggest stinker in the playoffs for the Hawks. Hawks overpaid to keep him because they are a 45-50 win team (depending on how good the East is) and will win a playoff series if lucky. Hawks ownership also believes that the deal will be nothing because they will sell the team off in the next year or two..
Knicks, Bulls and Heat were all rumored to try to get Joe Johnson to take less and be part of a big 3 signing. Rumors are that he is a small town boy who couldn't make it in the big city. And to be honest, if he averaged 12 ppg in the playoffs in Chicago or NY he would be run out of town. Guy just pulled the biggest stinker in the playoffs for the Hawks. Hawks overpaid to keep him because they are a 45-50 win team (depending on how good the East is) and will win a playoff series if lucky. Hawks ownership also believes that the deal will be nothing because they will sell the team off in the next year or two..
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[quote name='wildcpac']Mavericks will most likely remain competitive during Dirks run and anything is possible. Lakers needed a gift from god In Gasol to turn that franchise around. Celtics turned their franchise around with a gift from god in KG and Allen. It is very possible to improve the team via trades. Cuban has shown that he is more than willing to spend money on the team. Mavericks "lost" the 2006 Finals and did everything to improve the team. Some of it was stupid though. Heat "won" the 2006 finals and have completely gut their team out.
I really cant blame Dirk for staying for numerous reasons. 1. He is a god in Dallas and the franchise best player of all time. 2. Cuban will take great care of him after he retires. 3. These players have so many hanger ons and people dependent on them. That extra 4-5 million a year and 20-30 over the course of a contract means a big thing. Especially when most of them live an expensive life style that we could only dream about and have to maintain it. Combine that with the fact that a great majority of them end up broke. Scottie Pippen is the latest star to end up broke or near it. Allen Iverson is rumored to have been living paycheck to paycheck for years now. Fatso Eddy Curry owes people and creditors millions of dollars.[/QUOTE]
Trades are possible to improve the Mavs yes, but that takes money, money which may not be there. Cuban is a spender, so are a lot of GMs, like Portland's Paul Allen, but they all have limits. Also, that extra $20-$30 million over the lifetime of a contract means what? They can only buy an extra 3 lambos, 2 ferraris and 2 homes instead of 6 lambos, 4 ferraries and 4 homes? Professional athletes who become broke can go themselves, especially the ones that DID make a lot of moeny. Even Pippen, who I loved when he was in Portland, is a complete moron. I realize it's not always solely their fault, but if they're too stupid to realize it's THEIR MONEY, and they're out there spending it like nothing and giving it to friends and family who may or may not deserve it, or out ing bitches and becoming baby daddies where they have to pay child support to 5+ illegitimate children, I have zero sympathy.
[quote name='CaseyRyback']Dirk didn't sign a max deal. He could have made 20 million more if he wanted it. He plays for an owner who always is willing to spend money and he plays for a team that is close. Roddy B is on the rise, Caron Butler has another year to gel with Dirk, and next year the Mavs have a ton of salary coming off the books.
Also the West is getting weaker. The only team who would stand in their way if they kept shit intact would be OKC, LA, and maybe Portland. Every other major team is too old or they are losing someone. I would have included SA, but I think Duncan is going to decline again this year and they look like they might just break shit up with the trading Parker talk.
And thank you wildcpac for putting win and loss in quotes. That series turned me off of the NBA for years. It still leaves a sour taste in my mouth.ing Stu Jackson and David Stern did everything possible to rig that shit.[/QUOTE]
You're are right. I thought he signed the max, but I just read it was 4 years for $80 million. But the fact remains I think, most players don't care about titles, they want money. Gilbert Arenas is a good example of this, the Wizards/Bullets have been terrible as long as I can remember. But he didn't look for another team and took the gigantic deal that has basicallyed the franchise ever since, both financially and in terms of public relations. Joe Johnson's new deal could be another example of this. The Atlanta Hawks definitely have a larger championship window than most teams, but that money WILL get in the way if they ever wanted to re-tinker with things.
People said the West would be weaker last year, but yet again 8 teams with 50+ wins. Phoenix showed they are definitely contenders, but without Amare, it's hard to tell. OKC's window for a ring has opened much earlier than anyone could've expected. Portland's done some re-tooling and probably WILL continue to do so if the rumors I keep reading about come true (and they better goddamn get out of the first round.) The Jazz could be in the mix again, depending if Utah can find someone to replace Boozer, and the Rockets seem very serious about rebuilding. Then of course there's the Lakers.
There's a lot of teams in the West to consider. If you really think Dallas can look past the others and just focus on the Lakers and OKC, it's gonna be a looooong season. Not saying they're not a playoff team, because they are definitely are, but saying "The only team who would stand in their way...." is way, way unfounded. The ring is not Dallas' to win. It's the Lakers' to lose.
I really cant blame Dirk for staying for numerous reasons. 1. He is a god in Dallas and the franchise best player of all time. 2. Cuban will take great care of him after he retires. 3. These players have so many hanger ons and people dependent on them. That extra 4-5 million a year and 20-30 over the course of a contract means a big thing. Especially when most of them live an expensive life style that we could only dream about and have to maintain it. Combine that with the fact that a great majority of them end up broke. Scottie Pippen is the latest star to end up broke or near it. Allen Iverson is rumored to have been living paycheck to paycheck for years now. Fatso Eddy Curry owes people and creditors millions of dollars.[/QUOTE]
Trades are possible to improve the Mavs yes, but that takes money, money which may not be there. Cuban is a spender, so are a lot of GMs, like Portland's Paul Allen, but they all have limits. Also, that extra $20-$30 million over the lifetime of a contract means what? They can only buy an extra 3 lambos, 2 ferraris and 2 homes instead of 6 lambos, 4 ferraries and 4 homes? Professional athletes who become broke can go
themselves, especially the ones that DID make a lot of moeny. Even Pippen, who I loved when he was in Portland, is a complete moron. I realize it's not always solely their fault, but if they're too stupid to realize it's THEIR MONEY, and they're out there spending it like nothing and giving it to friends and family who may or may not deserve it, or out ing bitches and becoming baby daddies where they have to pay child support to 5+ illegitimate children, I have zero sympathy. [quote name='CaseyRyback']Dirk didn't sign a max deal. He could have made 20 million more if he wanted it. He plays for an owner who always is willing to spend money and he plays for a team that is close. Roddy B is on the rise, Caron Butler has another year to gel with Dirk, and next year the Mavs have a ton of salary coming off the books.
Also the West is getting weaker. The only team who would stand in their way if they kept shit intact would be OKC, LA, and maybe Portland. Every other major team is too old or they are losing someone. I would have included SA, but I think Duncan is going to decline again this year and they look like they might just break shit up with the trading Parker talk.
And thank you wildcpac for putting win and loss in quotes. That series turned me off of the NBA for years. It still leaves a sour taste in my mouth.
ing Stu Jackson and David Stern did everything possible to rig that shit.[/QUOTE]You're are right. I thought he signed the max, but I just read it was 4 years for $80 million. But the fact remains I think, most players don't care about titles, they want money. Gilbert Arenas is a good example of this, the Wizards/Bullets have been terrible as long as I can remember. But he didn't look for another team and took the gigantic deal that has basically
ed the franchise ever since, both financially and in terms of public relations. Joe Johnson's new deal could be another example of this. The Atlanta Hawks definitely have a larger championship window than most teams, but that money WILL get in the way if they ever wanted to re-tinker with things. People said the West would be weaker last year, but yet again 8 teams with 50+ wins. Phoenix showed they are definitely contenders, but without Amare, it's hard to tell. OKC's window for a ring has opened much earlier than anyone could've expected. Portland's done some re-tooling and probably WILL continue to do so if the rumors I keep reading about come true (and they better goddamn get out of the first round.) The Jazz could be in the mix again, depending if Utah can find someone to replace Boozer, and the Rockets seem very serious about rebuilding. Then of course there's the Lakers.
There's a lot of teams in the West to consider. If you really think Dallas can look past the others and just focus on the Lakers and OKC, it's gonna be a looooong season. Not saying they're not a playoff team, because they are definitely are, but saying "The only team who would stand in their way...." is way, way unfounded. The ring is not Dallas' to win. It's the Lakers' to lose.
If I put Joe Johnson in the title, I would have to put Elton Brand, Andre Iguodola, Rashard Lewis, Turk and Eddy Curry as the other misfits who steal money from their teams. I am still trying to figure out how Otis Smith made Lewis the 2nd highest paid player in basketball. Guy made over 20 million last year to score 14 ppg. That is highway robbery. At least Joe Johnson can put up 22 ppg plus.
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