2010-2011 NBA Season Thread

[quote name='advanced']Thanks JJSP, you saved me some time. Again, its his HOME. He has a house there. Why would he do it anywhere else? And to play to a crowd? He's going to have millions watching ESPN, so theres his crowd. Why would he do it at home, WWE? Tell me why you shower at home? Tell me why you sleep at home? Because its far far easier than doing it anywhere else.

Edit: Del Negro to Clippers; http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=At4PEzkifvhteXVL8WUQB6I5nYcB?slug=ys-clippersdelnegro070610[/QUOTE]


ok then why dont you tell me why you would leave home if you say he has everything there. these idiotic posts are starting to rub me the wrong way. they are all contradicting themselves, your saying he has an anouncement in his home becuase its convienient and everything is there, yet you think he is leaving. then why would he leave his home genius
 
[quote name='wwe101']ok then why dont you tell me why you would leave home if you say he has everything there. these idiotic posts are starting to rub me the wrong way. they are all contradicting themselves, your saying he has an anouncement in his home becuase its convienient and everything is there, yet you think he is leaving. then why would he leave his home genius[/QUOTE]

"Home" can't produce a winner, elsewhere can. LBJ and crew was trounced in the playoffs by the "over the hill" Celtics, why would he stick around? The Cavs have tried to provide it, but can't and LBJ needs a ring to validate himself, its how shit works in the NBA. If he stays "home", in the sense that you mean, he won't win for in foreseeable future.

And the home I'm talking about is a physical domicile in which he lives during his time off. The home you're talking about is the city he grew up in. They're both very different. One he paid for and the other had the fortune of raising a "great" basketball player. One he can keep in his name during the season and return to during the offseason, the other can't find a way to win the postseason for all its worth.
 
[quote name='advanced']"Home" can't produce a winner, elsewhere can. LBJ and crew was trounced in the playoffs by the "over the hill" Celtics, why would he stick around? The Cavs have tried to provide it, but can't and LBJ needs a ring to validate himself, its how shit works in the NBA. If he stays "home", in the sense that you mean, he won't win for in foreseeable future.

And the home I'm talking about is a physical domicile in which he lives during his time off. The home you're talking about is the city he grew up in. They're both very different. One he paid for and the other had the fortune of raising a "great" basketball player. One he can keep in his name during the season and return to during the offseason, the other can't find a way to win the postseason for all its worth.[/QUOTE]

my god, I have not insulted anyone presonally in this thread so far but you are making it very hard for me to resist.

the man is on a winning team. and im not sure if you watched the cavs-celts playoff series but the loss was on him, he wasnt aggressive except for game 3. he practically threw the series.
 
[quote name='wwe101']my god, I have not insulted anyone presonally in this thread so far but you are making it very hard for me to resist.

the man is on a winning team. and im not sure if you watched the cavs-celts playoff series but the loss was on him, he wasnt aggressive except for game 3. he practically threw the series.[/QUOTE]

Go ahead, like words are really going to scare me into thinking different. I'm so afraid of what you can possibly say that I'll stop. /sarcasm

On to your second point though, the more intelligent one, he might have given up, but a supporting cast is supposed to kick in during those moments. Kobe's did it during Game 7 when he went 7 for 24 (or something obscene like that), and that is why they won (I'm a C's fan and I'll admit this).

LBJ is a winner, the Cavs are lucky to have him. If they haven't been able to surround him with a decent supporting cast by now, I doubt they ever will. They may win during the regular season when the chips aren't being counted, but when push comes to shove and the post-season takes off, they start to crumble under the pressure, whether its LBJ's fault or not, they haven't won shit until they win a championship.
 
[quote name='advanced']"Home" can't produce a winner, elsewhere can. LBJ and crew was trounced in the playoffs by the "over the hill" Celtics, why would he stick around? The Cavs have tried to provide it, but can't and LBJ needs a ring to validate himself, its how shit works in the NBA. If he stays "home", in the sense that you mean, he won't win for in foreseeable future.

And the home I'm talking about is a physical domicile in which he lives during his time off. The home you're talking about is the city he grew up in. They're both very different. One he paid for and the other had the fortune of raising a "great" basketball player.[/QUOTE]



Plus 1. Old Celtics still have to be favorites again next year. Celtics should rest the older players and just try to win 45-50 games depending on how the East plays out. Rondo and Davis will continue to develop and get even better. Rondo is on the cusp of being a superstar in the league. Celtics are going to be a fucking nightmare for any team in the playoffs. The Younger, more talented and bigger Lakers just played for their playoff lives and were a basket or two away from losing at certain points of game 7.

Magic are going to be just as great next year and a serious threat. You can make a case that not living up to expectations in 2010 is going to motivate D12 and the rest of them even more. Team should be hungry.

James to stay in Cleveland could lead to a superteam in Miami or NY. Chicago is another possibility. Depending on how the dominoes fall. At least 1 of those 3 teams is going to be better than the Cavs.


Lakers are the Lakers. Talent all over the place, they are all big and most of them are under the age of 30. Combine that with success, championship drive and the best head coach in the game.

Thunder are the best young team in the league. Durant is a legit top 5 player. Green and Westbrook are terrific additions. Thunder are around 14 million under the cap for this upcoming year. That should give them money to go out and sign a big man. Thunder only have 20 million in guaranteed payroll for 2011-2012. That includes having Durant, Green and Westbrook on the roster.



James going back to the Cavs cannot compete with those teams in the playoffs.
 
[quote name='advanced']Go ahead, like words are really going to scare me into thinking different. I'm so afraid of what you can possibly say that I'll stop. /sarcasm

On to your second point though, the more intelligent one, he might have given up, but a supporting cast is supposed to kick in during those moments. Kobe's did it during Game 7 when he went 7 for 24 (or something obscene like that), and that is why they won (I'm a C's fan and I'll admit this).

LBJ is a winner, the Cavs are lucky to have him. If they haven't been able to surround him with a decent supporting cast by now, I doubt they ever will. They may win during the regular season when the chips aren't being counted, but when push comes to shove and the post-season takes off, they start to crumble under the pressure, whether its LBJ's fault or not, they haven't won shit until they win a championship.[/QUOTE]


lakers are so stacked its not fair. i honestly believe they could have won the title without kobe this year. hell, replace kobe with a midget that has never touched a basketball and they would win the title as long as he dumped the ball to pau and bynum every play.
 
[quote name='wwe101']lakers are so stacked its not fair. i honestly believe they could have won the title without kobe this year. hell, replace kobe with a midget that has never touched a basketball and they would win the title as long as he dumped the ball to pau and bynum every play.[/QUOTE]

Seriously? The Celtics pushed them to 7 games and you're really going to say that? You replace Kobe with a midget and the Celtics would have swept. Dish it Allen and let him do what he has to, because he's obviously not going to be gassed from the defense like Kobe made him.


[quote name='wildcpac']Old Celtics still have to be favorites again next year. Celtics should rest the older players and just try to win 45-50 games depending on how the East plays out. Rondo and Davis will continue to develop and get even better. Rondo is on the cusp of being a superstar in the league. Celtics are going to be a fucking nightmare for any team in the playoffs. The Younger, more talented and bigger Lakers just played for their playoff lives and were a basket or two away from losing at certain points of game 7.[/QUOTE]

If they can pull off a great start like last season, I think it was 20 - 5 or something, they've got a great shot at doing just that. Davis really has started to shine off the bench and Rondo's becoming the fiend I thought he could be. Add in a couple of role players off the bench and restore Ray Ray to the line up and we've got a fantastic shot, even with the age we've got. We'd definitely topple a LBJ-lead Cavs team, the way it stands now, for the 3rd time.
 
[quote name='advanced']Seriously? The Celtics pushed them to 7 games and you're really going to say that? You replace Kobe with a midget and the Celtics would have swept. Dish it Allen and let him do what he has to, because he's obviously not going to be gassed from the defense like Kobe made him.[/QUOTE]


celtics run to the finals was a joke. they will not make it there again next year, i promise
 
[quote name='wwe101']celtics run to the finals was a joke. they will not make it there again next year, i promise[/QUOTE]

You obviously didn't watch the playoffs this season then.

Dwayne Wade and the Heat. We beat 'em in 5, people said we wouldn't stand a chance, we proved them wrong.
LeBron James and the Cavs. We beat 'em in 5, analysts said it couldn't happen, we proved them wrong.
Dwight Howard, Vince Carter and the Magic. We beat 'em 6. Sure, we stumbled a bit, but we came back and won when everyone said we didn't have a hope.
Kobe Bryant, Pau Gasol, Phil Jackson and the Lakers. We pushed 'em to 7 and won on their court, twice. People didn't even want to believe that the C's could get this far and we proved them wrong, again.

Sure, we didn't win, but we sure did a lot better than the Cavs. Who did they beat in the first round? The Bulls? The 8th seeded Bulls? Sure, Noah and Rose are fantastic players, but they're both still pretty young, both still developing. Dwyane Wade is D-fuckING-WADE. He's a star. He's a franchise player. Thats who the C's beat.

I also love how you completely forgot what the conversation was about, kudos on that. Stop while 'you're ahead', right?
 
[quote name='wwe101']ohh good job. i hope your eastern conference rings look nice....ohh wait[/QUOTE]

Brian Scalabrine has a ring, maybe he and LBJ can get together and compare them... Oh, wait.

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Celtics are a joke? I know the team is getting older but come on. I made fun of them because I hate Boston but I do respect the talent on their team. Like I said earlier, their goal should just rest players during the regular season and go out and try to win 50 games or so. They should try to keep KG, Allen and Pierce to 70 games or less. KG around 60 I would guess.

KG, Allen, Pierce, Rondo, Perkins, Davis and Wallace if he comes back? That is a scary team that knows how to win and could knock off anybody. They just gave a vastly superior/younger/bigger Lakers team a run for their money/lives.
 
[quote name='wildcpac']Celtics are a joke? I know the team is getting older but come on. I made fun of them because I hate Boston but I do respect the talent on their team. Like I said earlier, their goal should just rest players during the regular season and go out and try to win 50 games or so. They should try to keep KG, Allen and Pierce to 70 games or less. KG around 60 I would guess.

KG, Allen, Pierce, Rondo, Perkins, Davis and Wallace if he comes back? That is a scary team that knows how to win and could knock off anybody. They just gave a vastly superior/younger/bigger Lakers team a run for their money/lives.[/QUOTE]

Wallace retired. Allen is a free agent. KG is old as balls now and it showed during a lot of the season and through most of the playoffs.

Allen and Pierce can still play, but KG's knees I really don't think can keep up anymore.
 
[quote name='A Happy Panda']Wallace retired. Allen is a free agent. KG is old as balls now and it showed during a lot of the season and through most of the playoffs.

Allen and Pierce can still play, but KG's knees I really don't think can keep up anymore.[/QUOTE]


Wallace never officially retired and is unthinking that decision. 14 million dollars could make him change his mind. A lot of signs point to Allen being back in Boston as well. KG and Ray Allen are pretty much the same age 34 and 35 as LeBron's #2 in Cleveland if he stays (Antwan 34). Celtics should see more development from Perkins, Davis and Rondo as it becomes his team and Rondo is on that elite cusp for pg.

Celtics should and could probably get away next year treating the regular season like the pre season. Depending on how horrible the East plays out 40-42 wins for the 8th seed. Allen and KG see no more than 25-30 minutes top a night. KG gets limited to 60 games max for the season. Celtics should just keep players in shape and healthy for April-June. That roster will be a serious threat that should at the minimum win 2 playoff series and take teams to 7 games.

I can understand why the Celtics are keeping the vets. They just seriously need to baby the older players and give them extra rest during the playoffs. If people are seriously predicting a dropoff it's probably going to be an Eastern Conference finals loss instead of making the Finals. Look at the the run that the Pistons just had. Veteran team that made it to the ECF several times after being a title contender. Even that Pistons team was dangerous and could have won an extra ECF or two. Celtics upgrade over that Pistons team is that the Celtics have good young talent with Rondo and others.
 
The Celtics will be a factor again if for no other reason than no other team in the Atlantic has improved enough to catch them, so playoffs are pretty much assured. The addition of Amar'e, while a good signing, isn't enough alone to make up the 21 games the Knicks finished behind the Celtics last season, and obviously Toronto will regress some depending on what they get in a S&T for Bosh.

So they'll be in the playoffs at probably no worse than the 4, and we've seen what they can do from there.

Oh, and as for wwe's comments.. Anyone who watched the NBA finals and thought those two teams weren't evenly matched is kidding themselves. I certainly don't contest that the Lakers deserved to win, but the Celtics could have won that series just as easily.
 
Espn 1050 Mike and Mike are announcing Wade and Bosh to Miami.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=5360134


Dwyane Wade and Chris Bosh are teaming up together on the Miami Heat, according to a person with knowledge of the situation.

Whether LeBron James, the kingpin of this summer's celebrated free agent class, will join them remains to be seen. James will announce his decision Thursday night at 9 ET during a one-hour special on ESPN.

Wade and Bosh are expected to announce their decision on Wednesday, according to the source.

James or not, the Heat could emerge as one of the top teams in the Eastern Conference with Wade and Bosh aboard. Wade, who led the Heat to the NBA title in 2006, is re-signing with the club, while Bosh will leave the Toronto Raptors after seven years with the club.

Both players are expected to get the maximum amount allowable under the league's collective bargaining agreement, though the addition of James could change the players' salaries. Contracts cannot be officially signed until July 8.

It was not immediately clear whether Bosh will sign with Miami outright or join the Heat through a sign-and-trade deal. Bosh could earn $125 million over six years via sign-and-trade, but only $96 million over five without it.

"Either way, he's definitely going to Miami," the source said.
 
[quote name='bvharris']The Celtics will be a factor again if for no other reason than no other team in the Atlantic has improved enough to catch them, so playoffs are pretty much assured. The addition of Amar'e, while a good signing, isn't enough alone to make up the 21 games the Knicks finished behind the Celtics last season, and obviously Toronto will regress some depending on what they get in a S&T for Bosh.

So they'll be in the playoffs at probably no worse than the 4, and we've seen what they can do from there.

Oh, and as for wwe's comments.. Anyone who watched the NBA finals and thought those two teams weren't evenly matched is kidding themselves. I certainly don't contest that the Lakers deserved to win, but the Celtics could have won that series just as easily.[/QUOTE]


I view the Lakers as being a 10 out of 10 with the Celtics being a 9 out of 10. Lakers are just too big, too young and too talented compared to the Celtics. That is not to discredit the Celtics though. Celtics are still a top 5 team in the NBA and in the playoffs they are going to be one of the toughest outs out there. That is due to an older but talented team. They have depth and experience.

Knicks are far from being done I hope. Money left over for another max player and a couple of role players. Combine that with Curry's 11.2 expiring contract to trade or let expire. Knicks are guaranteed to be 11 million under the cap next year. They have a couple of cheap 1 year, 2 year contracts that they could get out of (Chandler, Douglas and Walker) that could push the Knicks to having enough for another max deal next summer.
 
- lebron is concerned about not being able to win in cleveland
- cavs chances took huge hit with bosh going to Miami
-Broussard
 
[quote name='bvharris']Even without LeBron that's a title contender. With him, look out.[/QUOTE]


For the death nail in the NBA's coffin? All of the top players concentrated in a couple of teams.

It would make more sense for the Heat to fill the rest of the roster and use the cap space on great role players and a big man.


James, Bosh, Wade, Beasley and Chalmers could make up 51 out of the 56 million in cap room. That would leave 5 million for the other 7 roster spots?


I do see one flaw with the Bulls. Jerry is a pretty cheap owner who broke up championship teams to "save" himself money. If top their free agents had gone to Chicago, would Jerry honestly reup Rose and Noah? Or Rose and Noah? That would be a 100 million payroll before the tax.
 
[quote name='wildcpac']For the death nail in the NBA's coffin? All of the top players concentrated in a couple of teams.

It would make more sense for the Heat to fill the rest of the roster and use the cap space on great role players and a big man.


James, Bosh, Wade, Beasley and Chalmers could make up 51 out of the 56 million in cap room. That would leave 5 million for the other 7 roster spots?


I do see one flaw with the Bulls. Jerry is a pretty cheap owner who broke up championship teams to "save" himself money. If top their free agents had gone to Chicago, would Jerry honestly reup Rose and Noah? Or Rose and Noah? That would be a 100 million payroll before the tax.[/QUOTE]

If James went to the Heat too, that would be essentially all of the best players of the 2003 draft in one place. That's insane. I had a feeling that clearing all that cap room would end up being a bust for the Bulls, at least we won't end up with Stoudemire or Joe Johnson though. Hello Carlos Boozer!
 
Wade and Bosh to MIA huh. Thats a pretty good take but lets not forget that the Heat cast is horrid.

I wouldnt even go after another top FA right now and just work on filling out the roster with players who can actually play on a nightly basis. Chalmers and Haslem are about the only people on that team worth having.....barely.

I would trade Beasley while he is still worth something to someone.
 
broussard is talking out of 7 sides of his face right now. he is reporting something different and contradicting himself almost every other hour:lol:
 
[quote name='Soodmeg']Wade and Bosh to MIA huh. Thats a pretty good take but lets not forget that the Heat cast is horrid.

I wouldnt even go after another top FA right now and just work on filling out the roster with players who can actually play on a nightly basis. Chalmers and Haslem are about the only people on that team worth having.....barely.

I would trade Beasley while he is still worth something to someone.[/QUOTE]


We definitely need to keep Haslem. We also made an offer to Joel Anthony which plays hard as a backup center.

I still have hope for Beasly. He is young and very talented but needs to get his head straight. The starting center position worries me though.
 
Damn. Here's hoping the Bulls can pick up Boozer. Wade and Bosh in Miami is pretty terrifying, but if they can't get any depth on the bench, I'm not too worried. Picking up LBJ would be a bad idea, they should use that extra money towards some quality role players.
 
People, I wouldn't start jumping off the bridge now. It could all be mis direction. You really think ESPN wants to certify stories about where James is going to end up? Especially when it has been reported that none of the teams knows? Nobody is going to tune in tomorrow night.


That would be like Fox having American Idol finale with 5 different contestants and announcing a day or two before the show Who Wins. Tomorrow night is going to be a heavily watched Reality TV Show Finale. It's going to get monster ratings. Letting the cat out of the bag before hand is stupid.
 
So with Bosh and Wade going to Miami, I think Lebron really is going to pick from the Bulls, Knicks, and Cavs. If the Knicks can some how convince him to play with Amare and that they will get another max contract guy next year I can see Lebron coming to NY. The Heat signing those two helped the Knicks out a lot in the Lebron chase in my opinion.
 
2 new rumors. 1. ESPN Radio is announcing that the special might not even be in Cleveland. Akron maybe? 2. The major rumor going around is that the special will not even be live. HAHAHA.
 
[quote name='DomLando']So with Bosh and Wade going to Miami, I think Lebron really is going to pick from the Bulls, Knicks, and Cavs. If the Knicks can some how convince him to play with Amare and that they will get another max contract guy next year I can see Lebron coming to NY. The Heat signing those two helped the Knicks out a lot in the Lebron chase in my opinion.[/QUOTE]


I think Cleveland is getting shut out. Bulls are an attractive location with a couple of question marks. Are 2 Alpha Doggs in LeBron and Rose going to be able to co exist? Are the Bulls for once going to be able to keep their players and give Rose and Noah the extensions big money that they deserve? Jerry broke up Jordan Championship teams. Does LeBron want to play for a rookie head coach? Does LeBron want to play in Jordan's Shadow? Is LeBron willing to fuck over Cleveland for one of their biggest rivals?
 
Just flipped on ESPN and Wade/Bosh are supposed to have a live interview in 10 minutes. If you can, and are interested, I'd go watch it.
 
As a Magic fan I'll take that. I don't think adding Bosh to Wade gets them past the Magic in the division, so I'm glad the 2 of them plus Lebron aren't teaming up as rumored.

My guess is Lebron stays with the Cavs and they try to work a sign and trade deal for a David Lee etc. I'd say Boozer if there wasn't the bad blood between him and the franchise.
 
[quote name='dmaul1114']As a Magic fan I'll take that. I don't think adding Bosh to Wade gets them past the Magic in the division, so I'm glad the 2 of them plus Lebron aren't teaming up as rumored.

My guess is Lebron stays with the Cavs and they try to work a sign and trade deal for a David Lee etc. I'd say Boozer if there wasn't the bad blood between him and the franchise.[/QUOTE]


Hold on a sec. You think the Knicks are going to work out a sign and trade of David Lee to the Cavs? Knicks are going to help the Cavs keep LeBron? I'll let you know as a die hard Knicks fan. There is absolutely nothing on the Cavs I want other than James. Knicks aren't going to ruin their precious cap room for Cavs scrubs and keep James in Cleveland in the process.


I cannot picture Boozer going back to Cleveland or even be welcomed back. Not after a handshake agreement, letting him opt out and he back stabs the Cavs and bolts for Utah. Plus I do not picture the Cavs having anything on their roster that Utah would want. Boozer makes sense to the Bulls, Nets and Miami.
 
Good point. Maybe Boozer is the better chance if they can bury the bad blood.

Though honestly, the Cavs had the best record if I were them and Lebron is willing to stay I'd just sign Shaq again and see what happens with a full year for Jamison to be integrated into the gameplay etc.
 
[quote name='wildcpac']Hold on a sec. You think the Knicks are going to work out a sign and trade of David Lee to the Cavs? Knicks are going to help the Cavs keep LeBron? I'll let you know as a die hard Knicks fan. There is absolutely nothing on the Cavs I want other than James. Knicks aren't going to ruin their precious cap room for Cavs scrubs and keep James in Cleveland in the process.[/QUOTE]

He's got a point. I doubt the Knicks, who have been talking about the LeBron chase for the past few years are going to help him stay in Cleveland? Naw, no chance in hell.
 
I am shocked that Wade and Bosh aren't together for the live feed. I thought those two were joint at the hip and more than friends.
 
Wade has his basketball camp this week too, as you can see in the background of his feed.

Chris Bosh is probably at home, since its easier than going anywhere else for something this easy to do. Maybe LBJ is going to end up doing the same thing, since its a lot easier than being anywhere else to do something so simple.
 
LBJ is rumored to be taped and not in Akron.


Cleveland Cavs just took a huge punch to the face. Especially when Bosh was willing to leave 30 million on the table in a sign and trade to Cleveland to go to Miami and play with Wade for less.
 
[quote name='wildcpac']LBJ is rumored to be taped and not in Akron. [/QUOTE]

Even better. I wonder when they'll be airlifting his house from Akron to NY to be put on top of MSG? Hahaha.
 
Looks like there's still a chance of Lebron joining them in Miami.

Amid a growing sense among rival executives that James intends to stay with his hometown Cleveland Cavaliers, sources close to the situation told ESPN.com that James is still seriously considering joining forces with Wade and Bosh in Miami and had a discussion about the possibility that all three could wind up playing together for the Heat on a conference call early Wednesday morning.
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http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=5360134

And another story specifically about Lebron still considering Miami: http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=5360590
 
It's being reported that LBJ reached out to Amar'e and Carmelo last night about NY. Melo is pushing hard for it.

I do not picture Carmelo staying in Denver for the following reasons. 1. Knicks have cap room for him next year. 2. His wife is from NYC and a media/TV personality who would benefit being in NY or LA. 3. George Karl's health is horrible 4. Martin and Billups are both getting old in the tooth. 5. With the way teams are being constructed to compete you have to be on a superteam. 6. Western Conference has the Lakers and the Thunder. Good luck winning a championship in Denver.

LeBron James was in communication with Amar'e Stoudemire and Carmelo Anthony on Tuesday night.

"LeBron James in contact with Carmelo & Amare last night, according to an ESPNNewYork.com source," Ian O'Connor wrote on his Twitter page. "Carmelo pushing Knicks hard."

Ian O'Connor
 
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