2010-2011 NBA Season Thread

This was maybe the worst dunk contest I've seen in the 15 years I've watched. Just about every dunk was missed on the 1st attempt (and 7 more tries most of the time), half the dunks in the end rounds were the ones Vince Carter created, and the ridiculous hype on Blake's last dunk was stupid.

All he did was clear the smallest part of the car which is like ~3 feet high, just about anyone with any jumping ability could clear that (I jumped that part of the car back in high school and I'm a 5'10 white guy). If he would have cleared the middle part, that would have been infinitely more impressive.
 
[quote name='tmacairjordan87']This was maybe the worst dunk contest I've seen in the 15 years I've watched. Just about every dunk was missed on the 1st attempt (and 7 more tries most of the time), half the dunks in the end rounds were the ones Vince Carter created, and the ridiculous hype on Blake's last dunk was stupid.

All he did was clear the smallest part of the car which is like ~3 feet high, just about anyone with any jumping ability could clear that (I jumped that part of the car back in high school and I'm a 5'10 white guy). If he would have cleared the middle part, that would have been infinitely more impressive.[/QUOTE]
My thoughts exactly.
 
They need to set up some guidelines like figure skating/ gymnastic. They need to base it on the difficulty, and not because someone done it before.
 
Blake Griffin hands down shouldn't have made it out of the first round. He did a 360 power dunk in the front of the rim (someone does that every year) and a halfwindmill (lame). Derozan had better dunks IMO and should have been against McGee in the final.

Now we move onto the second round for Blake...
- First dunk - Basically a copy of Vincianty - Simpsons Vince did it.
- Second dunk - Regular dunk over a 2-3 foot clearance. Note... little tiny Nate Robinson cleared 7'1 Dwight Howard a year or two before... very none impressive Mr Blake.

All in all... so much hype in Blake and huge letdown. I knew from the beginning they would just hand him the trophy even if the dunks were terrible, which they were. So people were essentially just giving it to him for the one dunk against NY earlier in the season. JaVale McGee was hands down the best, most creative dunker this year. He dunked on two rims in midair and did a behind the head dunk looking the opposite direction coming under the rim (the dude is 7 foot; fucking ridiculous). The fans should be ashamed at robbing him.

The most famous guy in the competition wins every year. Too much favoritism.
 
I really hate how much of a popularity contest the slam dunk contest is now. Used to be based on skill, now it's all hype.

Also 45 points for Ibaka on that FT dunk? 45 fucking points? The longest dunk EVER in the dunk contest...and it gets 45 points. Unfuckingbelievable.
 
Dr J gave him a lower score because he was bitter that Ibaka did it better. Look at J's dunk from the line, he has almost his whole foot past the line. Even MJ was slightly over the line, and Ibaka maybe had a toe at most ON the line, nothing over it.

This would have been a much better show if they had made everything on the 1st or at least 2nd try. There was some really creative stuff from everyone other than Blake. McGee came up with some crazy ideas.
 
IMO it was the best first round I have ever seen, by a lot actually. Unfortunately the finals were a big letdown. I didn't really care who won once it was Griffin vs McGee, McGee could've won (even with the fans vote) if his last dunk dunk wouldn't have been the most ordinary dunk I have ever seen in the contest, maybe besides Spud Webb. Otherwise good show though.
 
[quote name='cgarb84']IMO it was the best first round I have ever seen, by a lot actually. Unfortunately the finals were a big letdown. I didn't really care who won once it was Griffin vs McGee, McGee could've won (even with the fans vote) if his last dunk dunk wouldn't have been the most ordinary dunk I have ever seen in the contest, maybe besides Spud Webb. Otherwise good show though.[/QUOTE]

I agree great first round and I wish all four guys could've had four dunks but with the exception of the last dunk by McGee, I really don't know what you guys were expecting it really cant get much better.

Sure McGee had great ideas, but in the first round he had to try both multiple times. They were great dunks but if anything, he shouldn't have been in the finals. He got no penalization for multiple times. We all knew Griffin was winning anyway.
 
[quote name='thamaster24']I agree great first round and I wish all four guys could've had four dunks but with the exception of the last dunk by McGee, I really don't know what you guys were expecting it really cant get much better.

Sure McGee had great ideas, but in the first round he had to try both multiple times. They were great dunks but if anything, he shouldn't have been in the finals. He got no penalization for multiple times. We all knew Griffin was winning anyway.[/QUOTE]

Most players couldn't do that double goal dunk. Again the dude is 7 foot and shouldn't be moving like that. He was plain robbed just like Ibaka was robbed of a 50 for his first dunk.

There is no penalty to multiple tries. Do realize Griffin tried hundreds of times on his second dunk but nobody complained or lost interest in it due to the hype from in-game dunks during the season and the promo that practically claimed him champion before it started (see intro video going into All Star Saturday Night; he was the only player in the dunk contest shown in that video and he appeared multiple times with his dunks from this season).

Again, he was awarded the trophy for some of the worst dunks on the night (unoriginal and borderline easy for NBA players to do). It was all because fans voted. They voted based on his in-game nut dunk on the NY player. End of story.
 
[quote name='lordopus99']Most players couldn't do that double goal dunk. Again the dude is 7 foot and shouldn't be moving like that. He was plain robbed just like Ibaka was robbed of a 50 for his first dunk.

There is no penalty to multiple tries. Do realize Griffin tried hundreds of times on his second dunk but nobody complained or lost interest in it due to the hype from in-game dunks during the season and the promo that practically claimed him champion before it started (see intro video going into All Star Saturday Night; he was the only player in the dunk contest shown in that video and he appeared multiple times with his dunks from this season).

Again, he was awarded the trophy for some of the worst dunks on the night (unoriginal and borderline easy for NBA players to do). It was all because fans voted. They voted based on his in-game nut dunk on the NY player. End of story.[/QUOTE]

Hundreds of times? Heh... No doubt that 2 goal dunk was incredible but 50 after trying it 5 times then getting it? No. Like I said I wish all of the dunkers got 4 dunks as that was the best first round I've seen but I have no problem with the way it ended. Both Ibaka and Derozan got robbed someone always will. McGee should've saved the 2 goal dunk for the finals though.
 
Had Griffin made the attempted 360 two handed windmill and the 360 baseline alley oop, he would have been deserving of the title. Would have been nice had he reversed the car dunk, too. A reverse two handed oop over the hood would have been legitimately impressive.
 
[quote name='Feeding the Abscess']Had Griffin made the attempted 360 two handed windmill and the 360 baseline alley oop, he would have been deserving of the title. Would have been nice had he reversed the car dunk, too. A reverse two handed oop over the hood would have been legitimately impressive.[/QUOTE]

I definitely agree. The ones he first attempted I thought were way more impressive than the ones he decided to go with and finished with.
 
[quote name='thamaster24']Hundreds of times? Heh... .[/QUOTE]

a Refresher...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=79WNCm_NKS8
Most people cut out the all the tries but the announcer makes you aware. 7 tries and he gave up on the dunk he wanted to do and settled for a windmill in which they gave him a 46, 1 point higher that Ibaka jumping behind the free throw line on his first try.

The "hundreds" was an expression I used to make you aware that Blake also had to retry his dunks too. All in reference to your comment...
Sure McGee had great ideas, but in the first round he had to try both multiple times. They were great dunks but if anything, he shouldn't have been in the finals. He got no penalization for multiple times.
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Again, McGee was the best dunker on the night followed by Derozan. Fans robbed him in favor of the guy that just did Vince Carter's dunks not as good. [/topic]
 
I wasn't even a fan of his first dunk. Wasn't it just a 360 2 handed slam? That's like the 2nd or 3rd easiest dunk ever behind a regular 2-handed slam and a 1-handed dunk....and even that took him 2-3 tries.
 
[quote name='tmacairjordan87']I wasn't even a fan of his first dunk. Wasn't it just a 360 2 handed slam? That's like the 2nd or 3rd easiest dunk ever behind a regular 2-handed slam and a 1-handed dunk....and even that took him 2-3 tries.[/QUOTE]

You are correct.

Vince Carter actually did both of Blake's first two dunks in one dunk doing it one handed.

Let's take a trip back to 2000...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?annotation_id=annotation_596540&v=VCEcmL5GaIU&feature=iv
 
You don't think I realize he tried dunks multiple times? It was a forgone conclusion Blake was winning this thing anyway. Judges in the past have always penalized for multiple tries. A 50 dunk, which the 2 goal and 3 Ball dunks would have been if they hadn't been missed (one still was), should be taken down to a 45 or 44. Plain and simple, if you don't hit the dunk on the first try it shouldn't be a 50. Unless its amazing as the 2-goal dunk was. Again he didn't save the smart one for the end he played his cards too early, what was the last dunk again? McGee, Griffin, Derozan, and Ibaka all had great dunks and should be recognized for what they put on last night. I'm not saying the results were 100% neutral or even right but I can be happy with it.

Anyway I'm done with this frivolous thing about the dunk contest. Everything I've ever seen you enter into this thread takes no consideration from other posters. The results are the way they are and if you thought anyone else was winning but Blake Griffin, in L.A. no less, you aren't paying attention to what you noticed earlier.

Looking forward to a hopefully exciting all-star game, hope it goes down to the wire.
 
Chuck's birthday cake was nuts. I have to give him birthday love because he seems to be the only one in the media that believes in the Mavericks.
 
[quote name='lordopus99']You are correct.

Vince Carter actually did both of Blake's first two dunks in one dunk doing it one handed.

Let's take a trip back to 2000...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?annotation_id=annotation_596540&v=VCEcmL5GaIU&feature=iv[/QUOTE]

I love Carter's dunks, but if we're going to hyper-analyze dunks, that wasn't anywhere near a 360. It was a little over 180 when he put it through the hoop.

I'm still saying if Griffin pulled off the 360 two-handed windmill and 360 baseline alleyoop, that those would have been the best dunks we've ever seen in an NBA dunk contest.
 
[quote name='thamaster24'] Again he didn't save the smart one for the end he played his cards too early, what was the last dunk again?[/quote]

Yes his two amazing dunks were up in the first round. At the same time those dunks + his first one into second was way better than Griffins. Fact. The last dunk by Blake Griffin, Charles Barkley stated the best thing about the dunk was the car and the choir. He practically called the dunk garbage, which it was.

I'm not saying the results were 100% neutral or even right but I can be happy with it.
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I knew before it started that it wouldn't be neutral; the promo even showed that. Just in my eyes, I hoped that if Blake failed with his dunks in comparison to the other contestants that the judges would actually do what was right, which they didn't. Personally, it just puts more shame that already exists in the dunk competition and promotes lesser known guys not to try for the dunk contest if a big name guy announces for it. So for me, I am not happy with the results. At least I saw some great dunks by McGee, Derozan (second dunk was ridiculous), and Ibaka's free throw dunk.

Everything I've ever seen you enter into this thread takes no consideration from other posters.
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Just because I didn't agree with your statement doesn't mean I don't take consideration from other posters. I am assuming this comment was directed at my postings in the College Football thread, in which both parties didn't take into consideration each person's stance... though the end result of that discussion all season proved my point since Auburn became National Champions. Sorry for going off topic.
 
I love Charles Barkley. I didn't watch the fantasy thing but to find he selected Allen Iverson with his first pick... hilarious. The little package just a minute ago was funny where it showed Ryan Leaf, Darko, and Muresan holding fantasy jerseys in reference to Barkley's fantasy picks.
 
[quote name='docvinh']Looks like Melo is finally headed to New York. I think they're giving up too much.[/QUOTE]

Agreed. Galli is a amazing player and so is Chandler and I think they both have good futures in the NBA, but I am just glad all of this trade talk is over
 
[quote name='Cheddahz']Agreed. Galli is a amazing player and so is Chandler and I think they both have good futures in the NBA, but I am just glad all of this trade talk is over[/QUOTE]
Agreed, it's all they talk about in Denver, it's getting annoying.

[quote name='62t']Still worst then the Nets' deal but I guess Melo wants to be a Knick[/QUOTE]

I agree to a point, because you don't really know what you're getting with draft picks so it could turn out to be terrible if they don't draft really well, but the Nuggets are getting some decent players that will at least keep them competitive.
 
I think this was a really bad move by the Knicks. The Knicks gave up way too much and probably would have been able to land him anyway in the off season.
 
The Nets also offered better players. Favors has more talent than Chandler or Gallinari, and Devin Harris was already an All Star
 
I think the Knicks are going to get worse with this trade, sure they Amare, Carmelo, Billups, and Fields....but they don't really have anyone else to support these players. I hate how NBA teams revolve around Star players now
 
ESPN basically forced the Knicks to make this trade. This is a terrible trade and not just because they gutted their team. Melo and Amare are both terrible at everything that doesn't relate to scoring. People keep acting like pairing up superstars is the key to success and the only way that a team can be viable, which makes absolutely no sense. The whole foundation of the Heat is that they have players that are skilled on both ends of the court.

I started reading The Book of Basketball and this trade is counter intuitive to everything that goes into what Simmons calls the secret. Neither of these guys are going to push their team to win. Instead of building the foundation of a champion, they built a team designed to get them to the second round.
 
[quote name='CaseyRyback']

I started reading The Book of Basketball and this trade is counter intuitive to everything that goes into what Simmons calls the secret. Neither of these guys are going to push their team to win. Instead of building the foundation of a champion, they built a team designed to get them to the second round.[/QUOTE]

Great book. I was at Simmons' SF book signing
 
[quote name='Cheddahz']I think the Knicks are going to get worse with this trade, sure they Amare, Carmelo, Billups, and Fields....but they don't really have anyone else to support these players. I hate how NBA teams revolve around Star players now[/QUOTE]
Its always been a star driven league, the 04 Pistons are the only exception to that. You get the stars first and build a supporting cast around them.

Great deal for Denver, the Knicks are better but they're not on the level of the Celtics/Lakers/Heat/Magic because Amare and Melo don't play defense, and they have no depth at all. They won't be able to build much of a team around them until next year but they could've just waited until the offseason to sign him and not give up anything. Do they really want to win one round in the playoffs that badly?
 
[quote name='ananag112']I think this was a really bad move by the Knicks. The Knicks gave up way too much and probably would have been able to land him anyway in the off season.[/QUOTE]

Agreed. But I hate the Knicks so I'm fine with it.

But it seems like a silly trade. Knicks aren't competing for a title this year anyway. Nor the Nets. Of the teams in the mix in the past couple of weeks, only the Lakers have a pressing need to get better this year.

Otherwise, the Knicks and Nets could have just waited and got him in the offseason, and tried to get Chris Paul as well, and just move anyone they needed to make it work with the cap and how much luxury tax they wanted to pay.


Also, just mentioned on Sportscenter than the Kincks are also getting Corey Brewer from the Timberwolves as part of the deal.
 
Lets call it as it is...that team sucked anyway so gutting it isnt a big deal. Not like they were you know...actually winning games. Melo is a top 5 player so when you get a chance to snatch one of those up you do it....period. You can probably replace those guys anyway. Now they have a superstar in melo and a star in Amare plus the cap space to land 2 or 3 role players and maybe start actually trying to win.


When you are as bad as the knicks were and only landing a consolation prize in the free agent sweepstakes you have to take risks to turn it around and this is a good one.

I am surprised at your comments Dafoomie since your team did the exact same thing and won a title. I like this move...if you want to improve get your ass out there and make some moves and landing a top 5 superstar no matter how you cut it is a big win for your franchise. Now, start building your franchises.

Will it work in the long run? Who knows but you got to get the ball rolling.
 
I think it only works long-term if they can still land Chris Paul in the off season when he's a free agent. Billups is washed up, they need a great point guard/third start if they're going to get through the Heat or Magic the next few years. Celtics as well, though they're getting old and won't be a top team as long as the Heat and Magic will.
 
[quote name='Soodmeg']Lets call it as it is...that team sucked anyway so gutting it isnt a big deal. Not like they were you know...actually winning games. Melo is a top 5 player so when you get a chance to snatch one of those up you do it....period. You can probably replace those guys anyway. Now they have a superstar in melo and a star in Amare plus the cap space to land 2 or 3 role players and maybe start actually trying to win.


When you are as bad as the knicks were and only landing a consolation prize in the free agent sweepstakes you have to take risks to turn it around and this is a good one.

I am surprised at your comments Dafoomie since your team did the exact same thing and won a title. I like this move...if you want to improve get your ass out there and make some moves and landing a top 5 superstar no matter how you cut it is a big win for your franchise. Now, start building your franchises.

Will it work in the long run? Who knows but you got to get the ball rolling.[/QUOTE]

Naaahhhh, I thoroughly disagree. I bet the Knicks still don't make it out of the first round with Carmelo, they basically have two players that can only score and can't do anything else. You really think he's a top five player? I would agree with top ten, but top five seems generous.
 
I can't see them making it out of the first round this year due to chemistry issues.

But they can be a strong competitor next year, especially if they can add another star like Chris Paul. Though I still don't see that getting them past the Heat or Magic--or the Celtics if the big 3 are healthy next year.

Also agree that I wouldn't put Melo as top 5, but definitely top 10.
 
True but this at least gets them in a position to start thinking in those terms and the bottom line becomes are you here to win a title or just play? Look, if your name isnt the Celtics, The Heat, The Magic or The Bulls you are not doing a god damn thing this year or next. End of story. No body else in the East is even close to good enough to make to the the finals, hell most of them will default their way into the playoffs with loosing records. So short term shouldnt even be in their vocab.

Its long term for everyone and the quicker they realize this the better off they are. This is strictly business, gut your first round play offs team and go after a super star and then spend the next few year building up so you can make a consistent runs deep into the play offs.


I will never understand why people want to keep hold of teams that suck. Who cares if they gave up everyone...they were not going to win anything anyway. So you loose nothing and gain a superstar. If they didnt do it, all they would be is another Atl Hawk team. The Hawks have 2 stars and a super star (Joe Johnson apparently) with 2 solid role players and they still cant come close to winning so what makes anyone think that the Knicks gave up too much? The Hawks are a prime example of a good team that is too scared to make any moves to become a legit contender. This also happens to the Pistons who were and are too scared to make big moves and now are crumbling because of it. They should have traded Prince, Hamilton, Wallace, Billups (better trade) a long time ago. But no, they clung to their core players far to long and now they are completely porked for the next decade.

Seriously, there should have been more teams giving a golden key to Denver saying, "anything you want on our roster take."
 
[quote name='Soodmeg']Lets call it as it is...that team sucked anyway so gutting it isnt a big deal. Not like they were you know...actually winning games.[/QUOTE]

Last time I checked, being over .500 means you are actually winning games, especially when you've beaten some of the teams in the league, like the Spurs and Heat. The Knicks were building something, and like all teams building something, they had their ups and downs. In the end, they got bent over a barrel and raped in this deal, all because James Dolan is one of the worst owners in American professional sports. The Knicks now have two of the worst defenders in the NBA on their front line.
 
Well the point is if it's long term, why not wait and get him as free agent and not have to give up the draft picks etc? While still moving the dead weight players, and maybe keeping a good one like Gallinari to play along side him?

The point is they didn't really need to take risks to get him. He wanted to be a Knick or Net, those teams could have just bid for him in the off season rather than trading away draft picks etc. since they aren't a contender the next couple of years anway.
 
[quote name='docvinh']Naaahhhh, I thoroughly disagree. I bet the Knicks still don't make it out of the first round with Carmelo, they basically have two players that can only score and can't do anything else. You really think he's a top five player? I would agree with top ten, but top five seems generous.[/QUOTE]

Again, dude what is your reasoning for keeping together a team that is barely .500? I just dont get it.

None of those teams have a chance of winning a title in the next 3 or 4 years let alone this year. So what the hell is your reasoning for keeping these people together? Those players that they traded are good players but fuck'em you are trying to win a Title not just have a about .500 record. Superstars win games that count...is it automatic that they are going to be good? No but they cant be any worse and at least they now have a basic layout of what they can build on.

Also, are you shitting me? Melo average 25 ppg and 8 rebounds and takes over games all the time and never average under 20ppg. He is without a doubt a top 5 player.



EDIT: You never know what the hell is going to happen from now to the end of the year. How are you banking on that? Did you guys forget that they are working on a new CBA? There might not even be a season in the upcoming future. No one has any idea how the new rules will effect the future. You guys are risking a hell of a lot.
 
Again, it's not keeping the team together. It's not giving up one star in Gallinari, not giving up draft picks (mortgaging the future) etc. for a player they could have just signed in the off season and jettisoned dead weight then while keeping players they wanted and draft picks.

And Melo is damn good, I just can't quite put him top 5. Lebron, Kobe, Wade, Howard, Dirk, Durant etc. etc. probably edge him out and put him somewhere in the 6-9th best player range.
 
[quote name='bigdaddybruce44']Last time I checked, being over .500 means you are actually winning games, especially when you've beaten some of the teams in the league, like the Spurs and Heat. The Knicks were building something, and like all teams building something, they had their ups and downs. In the end, they got bent over a barrel and raped in this deal, all because James Dolan is one of the worst owners in American professional sports. The Knicks now have two of the worst defenders in the NBA on their front line.[/QUOTE]

:roll:

Get the hell out of here with that. Your two games over .500. Congrats you win a damn cookie. You have won 28 games and your compition has won upwards of 40, 41 and 38.


$$$$a please.
 
LMAO, you're clueless. Don't get all of your sports "knowledge" from ESPN. Makes you look an utter moron, especially when you close your "argument" with "$$$$a please." Can't believe I didn't have a tool like you ignored already.
 
Dmaul Dano is amazing and I like him a lot but he is FAR FAR from a star. He only puts up 15ppg and 5 rebounds (For a 6-10 guy) a game and will never take over or be looked as a clutch player. He is a very solid role player thats it.

Tons of people put up his numbers in the NBA.

EDIT: Whoa, Bigdaddy, calm down man. It was a joke at the end dont get so excited, its just sports talk. Why do people fly off the handle so damn easily online? Especially when they go into forums about things like sports or politics or whatever...Christ people take the internet way to seriously. Wouldnt be much of a discussion if everyone had the same opinion now would it?
 
I really really wish Stephen A didnt write this (I hate the guy as many people do) but it is very sound and it speaks to exactly the point.

http://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/nba/columns/story?columnist=smith_stephen&id=6146062

Everything he says in this article is exactly how I feel. Especially this part.

As for the players the Knicks lose, no disrespect, but who cares?


Felton is a tremendous loss because of his youth and the season he's had, but he's being replaced by a champion in Billups, who's also known as a big-shot artist and one of the best leaders in the game today.
Wilson Chandler is a shooter. He's replaced by Melo.
End of conversation.
Gallinari is a solid player with skills and a tremendous upside. But unless he's about to become the second coming of Dirk Nowitzki, there's nothing else to say about him other than he's young, we'll miss him, and a sincere "We're sorry" to our Italian-Americans all over the city.
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The Knicks didnt loose that much in getting Melo. But again, I would love to discuss some of your guys reasoning for how breaking apart a mediocre 28-25 team and adding a top 10 player (according to you guys) to it is a bad thing in anyway. Also note the new CBA could toss a wrench into the whole "wait it out in FA," thing for both Melo who could lose millions if the deal is different and the Knicks who might not be able to get him if his priorities change with the CBA.
 
As a Knicks fan, I like this trade. I actually think the Knicks upgraded at point. Chandler wasn't going to get resigned anyway as he was probably going to ask for a lot of money. I like Gallinari but I don't think he would be a superstar like 'Melo is; he'll be a solid role player for sure (great 3rd or 4th option but he can't take over games with his offense). Get Melo now, make sure he is a Knick. If this went into the offseason, I don't know, money is always important to athletes, he may have resigned with Denver instead of losing ~$30 mill.
 
[quote name='Soodmeg']Again, dude what is your reasoning for keeping together a team that is barely .500? I just dont get it.

None of those teams have a chance of winning a title in the next 3 or 4 years let alone this year. So what the hell is your reasoning for keeping these people together? Those players that they traded are good players but fuck'em you are trying to win a Title not just have a about .500 record. Superstars win games that count...is it automatic that they are going to be good? No but they cant be any worse and at least they now have a basic layout of what they can build on.

Also, are you shitting me? Melo average 25 ppg and 8 rebounds and takes over games all the time and never average under 20ppg. He is without a doubt a top 5 player.



EDIT: You never know what the hell is going to happen from now to the end of the year. How are you banking on that? Did you guys forget that they are working on a new CBA? There might not even be a season in the upcoming future. No one has any idea how the new rules will effect the future. You guys are risking a hell of a lot.[/QUOTE]

I guess my thinking is that Billups is a rental, he's gone after the end of the season. If they don't get Paul at some point, they would've screwed themselves by getting rid of Felton, who I would say is an above average player, along with a first rounder draft pick that may or may not be good, time will tell. I like Melo as a scorer, but he definitely gets his points because he shoots a ton, and not all that efficiently. As far as his rebounds, this is the first year he's averaged close to 8, I think he'll regress back to his normal 6 after this year. I still don't think NY is any closer to winning a title with Melo, but we'll see how it washes out.:)
 
[quote name='docvinh']I guess my thinking is that Billups is a rental, he's gone after the end of the season. If they don't get Paul at some point, they would've screwed themselves by getting rid of Felton, who I would say is an above average player, along with a first rounder draft pick that may or may not be good, time will tell. I like Melo as a scorer, but he definitely gets his points because he shoots a ton, and not all that efficiently. As far as his rebounds, this is the first year he's averaged close to 8, I think he'll regress back to his normal 6 after this year. I still don't think NY is any closer to winning a title with Melo, but we'll see how it washes out.:)[/QUOTE]

The Knicks are closer in that some of the pieces are in place. I agree that Billups is a rental, but Felton was pretty much a rental as well (only a 2 year deal). The goal is to get Paul or Deron Williams. I wouldn't be surprised if one or both of them has their own "Melodrama" next year.
 
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