2011 MLB Discussion Thread

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GODDAMNIT! Seriously, no playoff game again? The last two years it looked so likely we would have at least one, and yet none.
 
2 of the biggest choke jobs ever in MLB history on the same night. That's something that will probably never, ever happen again. Rangers will have the Rays in first round. Should be a good series. Gotta stick with my hometown team, though.
 
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[quote name='Nate Nanjo']If anyone is going to beat the Phillies, it has to be the Cardinals.

I don't see the Brewers or Diamondbacks beating them. Especially not in a 7 game series.

Longoria homers. Rays and Rangers rematch.[/QUOTE]

As far as the NL goes, the Cards are the best chance. Brewers...eh...we'll see but I don't have faith in Arizona either. All I know is, records at this point don't mean squat. Just ask the Patriots. ;)
 
What epic choke jobs by the Braves and Red Sox in September.

Braves need to decide which of their young pitching talent they want to keep and which they can trade to get some offensive help in the off season.

Jurrjens, Hansen and Beachy are staying for sure, need to pick two more of the young starters to keep to step in for Lowe and Hudson when they retire/leave and trade the others for some offense.
 
[quote name='GhostShark']2 of the biggest choke jobs ever in MLB history on the same night. That's something that will probably never, ever happen again. Rangers will have the Rays in first round. Should be a good series. Gotta stick with my hometown team, though.[/QUOTE]

Remember last year? Neither team won at home. Hopefully for Texas it doesn't happen again.
 
Never thought the Mets could be out done.......but boy was I wrong. Thank you Red Sox and Braves. The Mets choke job is pretty painless now after witnessing this.
 
[quote name='dmaul1114']need to pick two more of the young starters to keep to step in for Lowe and Hudson when they retire/leave and trade the others for some offense.[/QUOTE]

If the only move they make this offseason is cutting Lowe, I'll be happy regardless.
 
And thats why Carl Crawford will always be one of the greatest Rays of all time. Still helping them even when he's not on the team anymore.

Damn it feels good to be a Rays fan right now, down 0-7, come back to tie, watch Boston drop, 2 min later Longo hits the walkoff and sends the Rays into the playoffs. Thats why I love baseball.
 
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Damn it feels good to be a Rays fan right now[/QUOTE]

You should give a pep talk to all your fellow Rays "fans" who left in the 7th inning. ;)

Crawford not catching what should have been a catchable ball for him definitely felt like a fitting end to this debacle though.
 
The Sports Guy, Bill Simmons is going to need to add a whole new level of losing to his list. Think about it, the Red Sox got to watch Tampa's rally since they were in a rain delay and then, after blowing the game against the O's, they trudge back into the clubhouse, just to watch Longoria's walkoff.
 
[quote name='bvharris']You should give a pep talk to all your fellow Rays "fans" who left in the 7th inning. ;)[/QUOTE]

Eh, I'm fine with the bandwagoners. Been dealing with them ever since they made the playoffs in 08.
 
[quote name='mitch079']The Sports Guy, Bill Simmons is going to need to add a whole new level of losing to his list. Think about it, the Red Sox got to watch Tampa's rally since they were in a rain delay and then, after blowing the game against the O's, they trudge back into the clubhouse, just to watch Longoria's walkoff.[/QUOTE]

I don't need to think about it. I just lived it. :wall:
 
[quote name='kodave']Such an epic night for baseball...[/QUOTE]
Indeed. Been a Rays fan since their inception and even I didn't think they could make that comeback. Also the Orioles sure showed they wanted to go out on a good note. Amazing night if you are a baseball fan.
 
[quote name='Donkey132']Amazing night if you are a baseball fan.[/QUOTE]

Unless you're a Red Sox or Braves fan.

Oh well, having lived through Aaron Boone, there's not a level of gut punch which can top that. So if I survived that, I'll survive this. Somehow.
 
[quote name='bvharris']Unless you're a Red Sox or Braves fan.

Oh well, having lived through Aaron Boone, there's not a level of gut punch which can top that. So if I survived that, I'll survive this. Somehow.[/QUOTE]

Maybe when and if the Tigers sweep the Yankees?
 
At least the month of suck allowed me to get mentally prepared for this outcome, to the point where it even felt inevitable. This team was given countless chances to pull themselves out of their funk and failed to do so pretty much every single time.
 
Coming from a Cubs fan, at least Sox fans can try to flashback to 2007 and wallow in the glory of a World Series win. I can't do that at all. Luckily, this baseball season was very stress free for me.
 
In all honesty, I like the Rangers and Brewers chances. I wouldn't mind seeing them play each other in the series.

As for the Red Sox, it sucks. Thats baseball. Sat here in silence to soak it still up. I don't blame the bullpen, not even Papelbon. They had to pick up the slack in September. Lackey and Wake need to go. I hope someone is dumb enough to swap Lackey for their worthless contract player. Very interesting off season ahead. Do the Sox push hard for Wilson or seek out a trade for a stud SP, if they can?
 
sorry to rub salt in the wounds but man, i wonder how this writer feels now

http://www.nesn.com/2011/01/2011-re...of-greatest-team-in-major-league-history.html

Agreed with Craven. It sucks and it happens. At least the Red Sox and Braves are positioned better than the Mets were when they choked. They have the money and players to move to improve their teams.The Mets didnt and look where we are compared to the Braves and Sox. Both teams will be contending next year again while the Mets just look like shit and will probably finish last now that the Natties and Marlins will improved next year.
 
[quote name='integralsmatic']sorry to rub salt in the wounds but man, i wonder how this writer feels now

http://www.nesn.com/2011/01/2011-re...of-greatest-team-in-major-league-history.html
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The most frustrating thing is that outside of April and September, that certainly looked like it might have been true. It's just astounding that outside of 2 or 3 guys (Ellsbury, Pedroia, Aceves) they just all seemed to disappear for an entire month. It's ineffable.
 
[quote name='bvharris']The most frustrating thing is that outside of April and September, that certainly looked like it might have been true. It's just astounding that outside of 2 or 3 guys (Ellsbury, Pedroia, Aceves) they just all seemed to disappear for an entire month. It's ineffable.[/QUOTE]
It just doesn't make any sense. The Red Sox on paper should've dominated this season. It really is like all their talent was sucked out of them in September.
 
[quote name='bvharris']I blame this:

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AHAHAHAHA...pride cometh before a fall. I'm telling you, that much winning isn't good for anybody. This is the exact reason some people were saying Boston fans have surpassed New York fans in arrogance. You guys went from lovable losers to grade A assholes. It stopped being "cute" in 2006. I have to say though, of the possible outcomes of tonight, this one was pretty spectacular as far as ripping away playoff certaintly.

Let me paint the picture...*ahem*

Rays are down big to the division champion, best record in the AL Yankees.

Red Sox are beating the lowly Orioles and finally seem to be following through on a solid performance.

Then, the storm clouds roll in... *dun dun dun!*

Red Sox game gets delayed

In a fit of pure desperation, the Rays rally and score 6 runs to pull within 1.

Red Sox game resumes and the Orioles rally against the Sox powerful closer.

Orioles drive in the winning run to put the Sox at the mercy of their nemesis: the Yankees.

After allowing the tying run to score, pushing the game to extra innings, the Yankees say "We don't need this fucking aggravation" and serve up a meatball to Evan Longoria.

Rays go to playoffs. David Ortiz goes back to his swamp and his lovely wife, Fiona.

I'd also rather the Yanks play the Tigers than the Rays or Rangers in the first round. I almost think I'd pitch Burnett in Game 1 against Verlander (yes, this could be "throwing a game", but since you don't know what AJ is going to do, I'd rather pitch him early, and have CC and Nova waiting in the wings to clean up the mess). I'd just hate to waste a good outing from CC and lose 1-0 or some stupid shit.
 
[quote name='Donkey132']It just doesn't make any sense. The Red Sox on paper should've dominated this season. It really is like all their talent was sucked out of them in September.[/QUOTE]

Then we gotta find the space aliens who took it and beat them at baseball.
 
[quote name='Donkey132']It just doesn't make any sense. The Red Sox on paper should've dominated this season. It really is like all their talent was sucked out of them in September.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, the 2006 Yankees say hello. They had an all-star at every spot 1-9. On paper doesn't always work out so great.
 
[quote name='jello44']Then we gotta find the space aliens who took it and beat them at baseball.[/QUOTE]
It might be that I've had alot to drink celebrating but this literally made me lol.
 
[quote name='Donkey132']It might be that I've had alot to drink celebrating but this literally made me lol.[/QUOTE]

Then my work here is done! :D

/flies away
 
[quote name='n8rockerasu']This is the exact reason some people were saying Boston fans have surpassed New York fans in arrogance. You guys went from lovable losers to grade A assholes. It stopped being "cute" in 2006.
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I really don't understand the almost obsessive compulsion some people have to paint entire fanbases with a single brush. I honestly don't think you're that big of a moron, and you always seem like you know your sports, but then you go and say stuff like that and it's back to square one.
 
Wow. Just wow.

Glad I was busy tonight. Tough enough to see the BoSox disintegrate day-by-day, but to see a last-out implosion, when they - once again - HAD the game?

AND for the Rays to roar back from 0-7?

NOT sorry I missed it.
 
[quote name='bvharris']I really don't understand the almost obsessive compulsion some people have to paint entire fanbases with a single brush. I honestly don't think you're that big of a moron, and you always seem like you know your sports, but then you go and say stuff like that and it's back to square one.[/QUOTE]

Sorry. I should have said "some fans". I didn't mean it applied to everybody. I'm just saying that's why people say it...basically because of the "Welcome to Boston, Loozah!" tagline. The only reason that mentality even exists (not that everybody has it) is because of all the recent winning (which, let's be honest, is more than any city deserves). Granted, anybody who'd actually say something like that is a complete toolbag anyway, lol (hmm...it WAS the cover of ESPN Magazine...). I was just trying to explain if you want to know why people think like that, it's because of the sentiment that magazine cover expresses. It's the epitome of all things obnoxious.
 
The Red Sox had just a 0.3 percent chance of failing to make the playoffs on Sept. 3. The Rays had just a 0.3 percent chance of coming back after trailing 7-0 with two innings to play. The Red Sox had only about a 2 percent chance of losing their game against Baltimore, when the Orioles were down to their last strike. The Rays had about a 2 percent chance of winning in the bottom of the 9th, with Johnson also down to his last strike.

Multiply those four probabilities together, and you get a combined probability of about one chance in 278 million of all these events coming together in quite this way.
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heh.
 
[quote name='n8rockerasu']Sorry. I should have said "some fans". I didn't mean it applied to everybody. I'm just saying that's why people say it...basically because of the "Welcome to Boston, Loozah!" tagline. The only reason that mentality even exists (not that everybody has it) is because of all the recent winning (which, let's be honest, is more than any city deserves). Granted, anybody who'd actually say something like that is a complete toolbag anyway, lol (hmm...it WAS the cover of ESPN Magazine...). I was just trying to explain if you want to know why people think like that, it's because of the sentiment that magazine cover expresses. It's the epitome of all things obnoxious.[/QUOTE]

Believe me when I say that as a fan of Boston sports, the whole "Welcome to Boston, Loozah!" mentality annoys me about 10 times more than it could possibly annoy an outsider. The frustrating thing is that there is probably no higher a percentage of those people among Boston fans than among any fanbase. It's just magnified by the teams' success, the sheer number of fans (both legit and bandwagon), and the fact that the toolbags (for lack of a better definition we'll call them "people who chant 'Yankees Suck' at games") are especially vocal. Every fanbase has those elements, it's just not stoked quite so gleefully by ESPN et al.

It's just obnoxious as a fan (and more importantly someone who grew up in MA) to constantly hear people saying things like "oh, Boston you suck!" or "couldn't happen to a nicer group of fans." For dyed in the wool New England sports fans who grew up on teams who never won jack (Celtics excepted), it's incredibly disheartening to hear stuff like that. Plenty of jerk fans take the recent success of our teams for granted, I don't. True fans live in constant fear of the day our chariot is going to turn back into a pumpkin.
 
I totally forgot to check on these games last night (colossi needed slaying ;)), but waking up to a double choke and reading about how everything played out is simply amazing.
 
It played out exactly like a movie script would have. Karmically speaking, both the Red Sox and Braves blowing last-inning leads after blowing massive last-month leads is probably the only fitting way for the whole thing to pan out.
 
[quote name='bvharris']Believe me when I say that as a fan of Boston sports, the whole "Welcome to Boston, Loozah!" mentality annoys me about 10 times more than it could possibly annoy an outsider. The frustrating thing is that there is probably no higher a percentage of those people among Boston fans than among any fanbase. It's just magnified by the teams' success, the sheer number of fans (both legit and bandwagon), and the fact that the toolbags (for lack of a better definition we'll call them "people who chant 'Yankees Suck' at games") are especially vocal. Every fanbase has those elements, it's just not stoked quite so gleefully by ESPN et al.

It's just obnoxious as a fan (and more importantly someone who grew up in MA) to constantly hear people saying things like "oh, Boston you suck!" or "couldn't happen to a nicer group of fans." For dyed in the wool New England sports fans who grew up on teams who never won jack (Celtics excepted), it's incredibly disheartening to hear stuff like that. Plenty of jerk fans take the recent success of our teams for granted, I don't. True fans live in constant fear of the day our chariot is going to turn back into a pumpkin.[/QUOTE]

The Mets have been a pumpkin for nearly 10 years :D
 
[quote name='n8rockerasu']AHAHAHAHA...pride cometh before a fall. I'm telling you, that much winning isn't good for anybody. This is the exact reason some people were saying Boston fans have surpassed New York fans in arrogance. You guys went from lovable losers to grade A assholes.[/QUOTE]
I'm from New Jersey, I go to school in New York, and have spent a lot of time in Boston. No group of fans will EVER surpass the Yankee fans in arrogance. This mostly refers to the young fans, like my age who have seen the Yankees go to the World Series 1/3rd of their lives. Last night my roommates were acting like the Yankees were going to the World Series when they just blew a 7-0 lead and let the better team into the playoffs. The older fans who have suffered the droughts in the 60's through 80's at least have some humility.



As a Met fan, I've gotten over 2007 and 2008. They sucked but they didn't belong in the playoffs and in the end, it's not much different from not making the playoffs other years. 2006 though, I still get pissed thinking about that. So to Red Sox fans, you'll get over it especially since they're in a better position for the future.
 
[quote name='icedrake523']Last night my roommates were acting like the Yankees were going to the World Series when they just blew a 7-0 lead and let the better team into the playoffs. [/QUOTE]

To be fair, if that game had meant anything to the Yankees and their top bullpen arms had been available, we're probably gearing up for Game 163 right now.

[quote name='icedrake523']So to Red Sox fans, you'll get over it especially since they're in a better position for the future.[/QUOTE]

Don't worry, we're well acquainted with gut-wrenching losses. This isn't nearly as bad as the 2003 ALCS (or the 2007 Super Bowl for that matter) and I survived both of those.
 
Sucks to be dmaul today. I was enjoying watching the Braves crater and thinking about him squirming but I never in a million years thought they would actually blow it.
 
Yeah, it definitely sucked.

Not much squirming though as I'm not a diehard baseball fan anymore, so I shrugged it off pretty quickly. College football and basketball are the only sports I'm really into these days. NFL too somewhat, now that the Raiders are semi-decent again.
 
Last night was incredible. Rangers clinch home field (with Napoli destroying his former team again), Brewers clinch home field, Boston chokes, the Rays win in unbelievable fashion, Atlanta chokes, and the Cards crushed the Astros on their way into the postseason.

I really would have liked Boston and Tampa to go into a playoff today so they can beat each other up some more, with Boston winning it and limping into the playoffs, but no team really scares me. The Rays are hot, but what some people are losing in this is that the Rangers are, too. Their offense is stacked and they had a red hot September, going 16-2 in their last 18 games. No more Cliff Lee, but their starting pitching has been outstanding this year.

I can't wait for things to get started tomorrow and I can't wait to go to game 2 on Saturday. Go Rangers!
 
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