2012 Election Thread

[quote name='dohdough']First, you said it was about personal mutual funds and now, you're shifting goal posts to making it about the auto bailout. "They both do it" is an insipid point when all three actions involve different levels and types of involvement.[/quote]
I think you're (intentionally) missing the point of Obama's attack ad. Romney's company invested in another company who made products overseas, therefore as President Romney would... ship jobs overseas? Enable others to do so more than Obama has?

Am I to accept this line of reasoning from a man who proudly takes credit for a government bailout of a company who has shifted most of their manufacturing and jobs overseas? And one who has his own money invested (indirectly) in companies who do the same?

[quote name='dohdough']It's simply a stupid point to be hung up on when they really don't have that much direct management over their personal finances. It's one thing to have a bunch of investment vehicles and another to purposely direct your disaster capital firm to directly invest in a specific manufacturer, which is my entire point. [/quote]
Obama was invested in two Vanguard funds before he was President. And this company in the ad is one of many of Bain Capital's investment vehicles. The ad in and of itself makes a stupid argument, if you have significant investments there is very little chance of not investing in a company who makes products overseas. As if that is wrong in and of itself.

Should liberals sell their Apple stock because their products are made overseas?
 
[quote name='dafoomie']I think you're (intentionally) missing the point of Obama's attack ad. Romney's company invested in another company who made products overseas, therefore as President Romney would... ship jobs overseas? Enable others to do so more than Obama has?

Am I to accept this line of reasoning from a man who proudly takes credit for a government bailout of a company who has shifted most of their manufacturing and jobs overseas? And one who has his own money invested (indirectly) in companies who do the same?[/QUOTE]
Read nasum's post about manufacturing again.

edit: The purpose of the auto bailout is different from investing in a company for profit.

Obama was invested in two Vanguard funds before he was President. And this company in the ad is one of many of Bain Capital's investment vehicles. The ad in and of itself makes a stupid argument, if you have significant investments there is very little chance of not investing in a company who makes products overseas. As if that is wrong in and of itself.
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Having money in a mutual fund is different from what Bain did. I don't know why this is such a difficult concept to understand.

Should liberals sell their Apple stock because their products are made overseas?
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Stocks are different from mutual funds. Or are you saying it's ok for cons to be reprehensible people because at least they're not being "hypocritical?"
 
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[quote name='slidecage']is anyone really going to watch the VP debate Thursday, i think that is nothing more then a waste of tv time what spongebob could be using :)[/QUOTE]

Yeah, I think its pretty pointless too since everyone knows Biden is quite the fool. :shock:

;)
 
[quote name='dohdough']Read nasum's post about manufacturing again.

edit: The purpose of the auto bailout is different from investing in a company for profit.

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But wait, I thought that idea was a profitable one. ;)
 
[quote name='dohdough']I was under the impression that the whole "Romney investing in Chinese companies" was a Bain thing; not a personal finances one. I think that's where we're missing each other. dafoomie and knoell didn't really clarify it when I brought up the examples of personal vs directorship, so I just ran with it because they're treating it as the same thing.[/QUOTE]

It's a rather dubious claim as we're now a global economy. Foreign investment isn't in and of itself a bad thing. Stuff made cheaper so that our consumer dollar can purchase more at retail. I mean hell, there hasn't been a video game actually printed on the disc in the US in ages.

The car thing is silly since those cars built in Asia aren't coming back here. The other side of that coin is that Toyotas sold in the US are built in the US by US workers. We don't purchase those cars with Yen and that money stays local when it is sold at a dealership and serviced anywhere. When the dealership buys the car from the manufacturer, maybe that money goes back to Japan. I've never really looked into that as it doesn't really concern me at any level.
Similar theory would be Target. The HQ is maybe 15 minutes from me but they collect and pay state sales taxes at each of their stores. Well, the payments are made from HQ but to each state's filing thing.
 
If I'm not mistaken my father's old GM truck was actually built in Canada. So yeah, buy American and all.
 
[quote name='nasum'] I mean hell, there hasn't been a video game actually printed on the disc in the US in ages.
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Just a pointless point: Not true. Common misconception since almost everything "big" is printed in Mexico. But quite a few companies still do this in the U.S. Like Coral Graphics (They make a lot of the physical Telltale games like the Back to the Future SE and the Sam and Max games) Duplium is another company that manufactures a lot of games as well as DVD's and software
 
[quote name='dafoomie'](worth the entire 19 minutes, she's an amazing journalist)

This is the segment she refers to, which is partially heard but not seen in that video.
http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=7423828n


And today, this:
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/11/w...er-talibans-shooting-of-malala-yousafzai.html[/QUOTE]
I have a crazy idea: how about you tell us why it's worth watching by giving a brief summary instead of directing us to another 15 minute video and another article without any context.
 
[quote name='ced']I think this is a sign to take any and all underdog props for a Romney victory, Chase. Time to become a 1 percenter. :razz:[/QUOTE]


Tossing Mitt Romney in a parlay with Anderson Silva. Now I sorta want Stephan Bonnar to lose. ;)

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I finally got around to watching the Jon Stewart-Bill O'Reilly debate from last Saturday. Actually a nice bit of political banter.

Someone had an upload of it on YouTube, but it has since been taken down due to copyright violation.
 
[quote name='Chase']http://www.thedailydolt.com/2012/10...-voting-machine-company-used-in-swing-states/

Uh. This seems like a bad idea.[/QUOTE]

Why is this surprising?

To think that people would not have an opinion on who they want elected is ridiclous. I am sure there are a few Obama/Romney Supporters physically working on the machines as well.

That's not to say there shouldn't be a process to evaluate any machines used in voting, but to be shocked that people support a candidate one way or the other is a bit over the top.
 
Potentially our next VP. I am all for fitness and it is a good thing but these pictures do him no favors. Nothing to really add any intelligent conversation here but they made me chuckle. Oh yeah this is for TIME magazine.

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[quote name='Feeding the Abscess']He needs to do some squats or something. His arms are nearly as large as his legs.[/QUOTE]

It's them running legs! How else do you do a marathon in 2h58mn?
 
So this is not a scientific poll by any means but it surprised the heck out of me. I am planning on watching the debate on the Xbox so I took some poll they were running. The final question was if the election was held today who would you vote for A Obama B Romney C Other D Undecided. To my surprise Romney had 57% to Obama's 31%. Not a number I thought I would see from an Xbox crowd.
 
[quote name='Feeding the Abscess']He needs to do some squats or something. His arms are nearly as large as his legs.[/QUOTE]

But he has to focus on his glamour muscles!

Seriously, who thought those pictures were a good idea? It reminds me of this.
 
[quote name='cancerman1120']So this is not a scientific poll by any means but it surprised the heck out of me. I am planning on watching the debate on the Xbox so I took some poll they were running. The final question was if the election was held today who would you vote for A Obama B Romney C Other D Undecided. To my surprise Romney had 57% to Obama's 31%. Not a number I thought I would see from an Xbox crowd.[/QUOTE]
Gamer nerds tend to slant conservative/libertarian. It's a very white and very male demographic, so conservative rhetoric resonates more.
 
[quote name='cancerman1120']So this is not a scientific poll by any means but it surprised the heck out of me. I am planning on watching the debate on the Xbox so I took some poll they were running. The final question was if the election was held today who would you vote for A Obama B Romney C Other D Undecided. To my surprise Romney had 57% to Obama's 31%. Not a number I thought I would see from an Xbox crowd.[/QUOTE]

With all the people on Xbox Live screaming $$$$er $$$$$$ into their mics, that doesn't surprise me at all.
 
[quote name='cancerman1120']I cannot believe that Ryan has the balls to say Obama is cutting defense.[/QUOTE]
I remember a couple years ago when they were saying that Obama cut military spending when he actually increased spending, just not to the extent that some wanted. It was freaking nuts.
 
Dang Biden. That is what I like to hear.

He needs to stop laughing though.

What exactly is a "real" recovery?

What the fuck is this story Ryan is telling?
 
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I do not like Biden interrupting though.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, its making him look a lil bad and maybe desperate to some people, but at least he is taking the fuckin offense
 
[quote name='4thHorseman']Yeah, its making him look a lil bad and maybe desperate to some people, but at least he is taking the fuckin offense[/QUOTE]

Yeah I love WHAT he is saying just not WHEN he chooses to say it.
 
This statistic that Biden keeps reciting, 98% of small businesses make less than $250k, is extremely misleading. You're including micro businesses in that number like the people who are now required to pay taxes on their ebay businesses and virtually all of them don't have any employees.
 
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