2012 Election Thread

And you'd think they'd get over it once they've reached a position where they can offer the help they received.
Theres just no Ethics in their ethic.. Just some BS arbitrary ex post facto personal standard that only exists to justify their position.
Certainly not something they cultivated during their formative years as a benchmark for personal excellence.
 
[quote name='Soodmeg']I love how every racist dipshit says the same thing when affirmative action comes up. "He is not as qualified as...."

How the hell do you know that? Hell how do you even know he was hired through affirmative action in the first place? Or are you assuming that because your racist pride cant even comprehend that that person is equally qualified or better qualified than you, or your son or daughter.

"Do you want someone who can do the job...or someone who got in just because of their skin color" Because apparently we live in a world where no one who isnt white can do the job right? Every minority in the world is apparently too stupid to do the job that a white guy learned to do amirite? Anything that you can say to make sure that big lipped spear thrower is somehow inferior to you right.


Lastly, I know some of you are getting tired of the race talk....to those I say...fuck you. Because unlike you, I dont have to option to just blend into the crowd whenever I get tired of hearing about it. I have to deal with it, every single hour of every single day I have to continue to prove to, "I'm not racist but I dont think its fair he got the job because he is a minority" guy that no...I got the job because I am better than you at this one aspect. Its amazing how quickly people change from "you didnt get the job?...you just got to work/try harder darkie," to "YOU GOT THE JOB!!! Pffft fucking affirmative action."

Doesnt matter than I graduated 2nd in my class (1st was a god damn Mexican women for petes sake) I completed 3 full years of interning and was hand picked by an MTV producer to follow in his footsteps.

That is probably the greatest aspect of "white privilege" there is, the option to simply not have to deal with it every second of every day. To not have to constantly prove you got anywhere on your own merit.[/QUOTE]

Don't worry, the new excuse when an Asian beats them is "They work too hard."
 
Why is the Trump announcement a big thing if Barry, er, Barack is completely legit. I'm not saying he isn't (not starting that up here...) but it should be a free 5M to a charity of Obama's choice, should it not?
 
[quote name='Thekrakrabbit']Why is the Trump announcement a big thing if Barry, er, Barack is completely legit. I'm not saying he isn't (not starting that up here...) but it should be a free 5M to a charity of Obama's choice, should it not?[/QUOTE]

Only if you subscribe to the notion that the President can be bought, even for charity. The charity angle is only an attempt to make Obama look bad. Has any President actually release their own transcripts willingly? Trump is a buffoon and to even entertain his offer is to acknowledged he has a legitimate point. He is just mad Obama clowned him at the Press corps dinner.
 
[quote name='Thekrakrabbit']Why is the Trump announcement a big thing if Barry, er, Barack is completely legit. I'm not saying he isn't (not starting that up here...) but it should be a free 5M to a charity of Obama's choice, should it not?[/QUOTE]

Why wouldn't he ask the same for Romney if Romney was completely legit? Because it's a dumb thing to ask for except to those who grasp at straws at finding reasons Obama shouldn't be in office.
 
[quote name='Thekrakrabbit']Why is the Trump announcement a big thing if Barry, er, Barack is completely legit. I'm not saying he isn't (not starting that up here...) but it should be a free 5M to a charity of Obama's choice, should it not?[/QUOTE]

Here's a crazy thought: how about Trump just goes ahead and donates the money out of sheer human compassion and not try to make a fucking game out of it?

If he had anything resembling integrity he'd take the first option without batting an eye.
 
[quote name='Thekrakrabbit']Why is the Trump announcement a big thing if Barry, er, Barack is completely legit. I'm not saying he isn't (not starting that up here...) but it should be a free 5M to a charity of Obama's choice, should it not?[/QUOTE]
Quite, adults are talking.
 
[quote name='dafoomie']I don't know what Donald Trump's stupid surprise is supposed to be Wednesday but I hope its not as lame as Gloria Allred's.

Romney in Bitter Divorce Battle
(He was called to testify about a business in someone else's divorce case) therefore he was in a BITTER DIVORCE BATTLE1!![/QUOTE]

that obama only uses SWISS CHEESE :)
 
[quote name='dafoomie']I don't know what Donald Trump's stupid surprise is supposed to be Wednesday but I hope its not as lame as Gloria Allred's.

Romney in Bitter Divorce Battle
(He was called to testify about a business in someone else's divorce case) therefore he was in a BITTER DIVORCE BATTLE1!![/QUOTE]

Yeah I'll take that bullet. Gloria Allred is a constant embarrassment. Like Trump she peaked in the 80's. Everything sensational only serves to promote themselves. We should hook Donald Trump up with Allred. Someone buy them tickets to a Dire Straits show quick
 
trump would look like a idoit if obama did this the day after he loses ....

is there anything that can be done to obama if it turns out He was not born in the USA


he will never release them cause you know hes hiding something















like never returning the harry potter books
 
[quote name='slidecage']trump would look like a idoit if obama did this the day after he loses ....

is there anything that can be done to obama if it turns out He was not born in the USA [/QUOTE]

No. But would you really want Biden as President?
 
[quote name='KingBroly']No. But would you really want Biden as President?[/QUOTE]

no i mean after he is out of office say he comes on tv someplace for 10 million dollars and comes out and goes


YES I WAS BORN IN KENYA





could anything be done to him

and if that did happen do you ever think you would ever hear the end of Trump going around bragging about he knew it all the time
 
[quote name='slidecage']could anything be done to him[/QUOTE]

Realistically? No.

Even if someone managed to make a criminal case for it, he would almost certainly be absolved by his successor. There is a historical precedent for Presidents giving their predecessors a free ride on prosecutable offenses. And even in such a circumstance, not many people would blame Obama for such an oversight. You can be certain someone would be losing their job over such a scandal.

Of course, the scenario you're dreaming up would never happen. President Obama isn't going to confirm or deny anything, even if he ends up serving two terms. Openly admitting to such a scandal would be the end of his political career, and he's a savvy enough political operator to see past the oval office. If such an admission were ever to come out, it would be on his deathbed.

At this point, the whole birth certificate issue is moot. His first term is already behind him. And no one is going to press the issue as long as Biden is still Vice President.
 
(or we could stop being racist fucking pigs and accept that President Obama is a fucking American like most of the rest of us.)

But perhaps that's just me talkin' cray cray.
 
Wouldn't it really be something If The President lost the election and sued all the Trumps Coulters Huckabees and Hanitys for defamation.
Watch how quick they all cop to 'fair comment'

Make no mistake. They only get away with it because hes president not in spite of it.
 
[quote name='mykevermin'](or we could stop being racist fucking pigs and accept that President Obama is a fucking American like most of the rest of us.)[/QUOTE]

You're talking cray cray. A racial minority has already been made President. The flood gates have already been opened, and there is no closing them again. That barrier is already broken, and there is no point in harping on it. One way or another, we are in a post-Obama US now, and there is no going back. WASPs are no longer the de-factor Presidential candidate.

You have no farther to look than the current Presidential campaign for confirmation. Neither candidate is a protestant. In past decades this would be unheard-of.

For my part, I want to see a citizen of Asian descent run on the Republican ticket. As an ethnicity, they have stereotypes that I can get behind.
 
[quote name='Richard Kain']You're talking cray cray. A racial minority has already been made President. The flood gates have already been opened, and there is no closing them again. That barrier is already broken, and there is no point in harping on it. One way or another, we are in a post-Obama US now, and there is no going back. WASPs are no longer the de-factor Presidential candidate.

You have no farther to look than the current Presidential campaign for confirmation. Neither candidate is a protestant. In past decades this would be unheard-of.

For my part, I want to see a citizen of Asian descent run on the Republican ticket. As an ethnicity, they have stereotypes that I can get behind.[/QUOTE]

WASPs are, relative to Obama, unquestionably American citizens. Even those presidential candidates born in Panama.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']WASPs are, relative to Obama, unquestionably American citizens.[/QUOTE]

I...don't see how? WASP stands for White Anglo-Saxon Protestant. Quite a few Europeans, and even some Middle-Eastern peoples would be WASPs, even though they are unquestionably not US citizens. Australia is full of WASPs, but the vast majority of them aren't US citizens either.

And at the end of the day, the controversy over President Obama's citizenship is purely a technicality. He's spent the overwhelming majority of his existence living in the US, went through the US educational system, and served in other US government offices before being elected to the Presidency. The time to quibble over that detail has come and gone. US Presidencies aren't something that you can retroactively negate. The best that they could hope for would be to prevent him from running again, and as I pointed out, its more academic at this point.
 
[quote name='Richard Kain']You're talking cray cray. A racial minority has already been made President. The flood gates have already been opened, and there is no closing them again. That barrier is already broken, and there is no point in harping on it. One way or another, we are in a post-Obama US now, and there is no going back. WASPs are no longer the de-factor Presidential candidate.

You have no farther to look than the current Presidential campaign for confirmation. Neither candidate is a protestant. In past decades this would be unheard-of.

For my part, I want to see a citizen of Asian descent run on the Republican ticket. As an ethnicity, they have stereotypes that I can get behind.[/QUOTE]

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO



WASP for president and the first song they would come out too is




fuck like a beast :)
 
[quote name='Richard Kain']I...don't see how? WASP stands for White Anglo-Saxon Protestant. Quite a few Europeans, and even some Middle-Eastern peoples would be WASPs, even though they are unquestionably not US citizens. Australia is full of WASPs, but the vast majority of them aren't US citizens either.

And at the end of the day, the controversy over President Obama's citizenship is purely a technicality. He's spent the overwhelming majority of his existence living in the US, went through the US educational system, and served in other US government offices before being elected to the Presidency. The time to quibble over that detail has come and gone. US Presidencies aren't something that you can retroactively negate. The best that they could hope for would be to prevent him from running again, and as I pointed out, its more academic at this point.[/QUOTE]

Your hedging and mincing around this issue shows that you can't actually state that you believe Obama to be a US citizen.

Repugnant. Do you believe Obama is a US citizen?

As for the WASP in question, one candidate in 2008 was born in Panama. 'Twasn't Obama. Nobody asked for his birth certificate.
 
[quote name='Richard Kain']I...don't see how? WASP stands for White Anglo-Saxon Protestant. Quite a few Europeans, and even some Middle-Eastern peoples would be WASPs, even though they are unquestionably not US citizens. Australia is full of WASPs, but the vast majority of them aren't US citizens either.[/quote]
What the fuck does this have to do with anything when we're talking about the US?

And at the end of the day, the controversy over President Obama's citizenship is purely a technicality. He's spent the overwhelming majority of his existence living in the US, went through the US educational system, and served in other US government offices before being elected to the Presidency. The time to quibble over that detail has come and gone. US Presidencies aren't something that you can retroactively negate. The best that they could hope for would be to prevent him from running again, and as I pointed out, its more academic at this point.
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A technicality? Seriously? So his mother being a US citizen automatically making him a US citizen is academic? Are you a birther?
 
[quote name='dohdough']What the fuck does this have to do with anything when we're talking about the US?[/QUOTE]

mykevermin was equating WASP-ishness with being a US citizen, which confused me immensely. The term WASP is a reference to ethnicity and religious association. It has nothing to do with nationality.

The issue of WASP is very significant when referring to Presidential elections. Before Obama was elected to office, there was only one other President to be elected to the office who WASN'T a WASP. That was John F. Kennedy. (who was Catholic, and thus not Protestant) For the longest time, it was believed that only WASPs could be elected to the Presidency.

With the election of President Obama, that trend has clearly ended. I imagine that in the future we are going to be seeing more ethnically and religiously diverse candidates for the Presidency. We can already see evidence of that in the current election, where neither candidate is Protestant. (or indeed even Christian)

A technicality? Seriously? So his mother being a US citizen automatically making him a US citizen is academic? Are you a birther?
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Well, yes, actually. Having one parent be a US citizen does not automatically confer citizenship on the child. A close friend of mine had TWO parents who were born US citizens, and they had to apply for their child to have dual citizenship because she was born in Germany. (and by default, was a German citizen) By the laws of most countries, (including the US) being born within the borders of the country is the surest way to gain citizenship.

I say that President Obama's citizenship is a moot point because he is already President. Even if his citizenship status is brought into question at this time, there is no way to invalidate a Presidency that has already happened. The best his political opponents could do is try to prevent him from running for a second term.

It is just a detail that should have obviously been addressed by all parties involved much, much earlier.
 
[quote name='Richard Kain']You're talking cray cray. A racial minority has already been made President. The flood gates have already been opened, and there is no closing them again. That barrier is already broken, and there is no point in harping on it. One way or another, we are in a post-Obama US now, and there is no going back. WASPs are no longer the de-factor Presidential candidate.

You have no farther to look than the current Presidential campaign for confirmation. Neither candidate is a protestant. In past decades this would be unheard-of.

For my part, I want to see a citizen of Asian descent run on the Republican ticket. As an ethnicity, they have stereotypes that I can get behind.[/QUOTE]
...Kennedy was catholic....

edit- If you knew this then why in the fuck did you even....never mind....I'll just go ahead and pout you on ignore preemptively.
 
[quote name='Richard Kain']mykevermin was equating WASP-ishness with being a US citizen, which confused me immensely. The term WASP is a reference to ethnicity and religious association. It has nothing to do with nationality.

The issue of WASP is very significant when referring to Presidential elections. Before Obama was elected to office, there was only one other President to be elected to the office who WASN'T a WASP. That was John F. Kennedy. (who was Catholic, and thus not Protestant) For the longest time, it was believed that only WASPs could be elected to the Presidency.

With the election of President Obama, that trend has clearly ended. I imagine that in the future we are going to be seeing more ethnically and religiously diverse candidates for the Presidency. We can already see evidence of that in the current election, where neither candidate is Protestant. (or indeed even Christian)



Well, yes, actually. Having one parent be a US citizen does not automatically confer citizenship on the child. A close friend of mine had TWO parents who were born US citizens, and they had to apply for their child to have dual citizenship because she was born in Germany. (and by default, was a German citizen) By the laws of most countries, (including the US) being born within the borders of the country is the surest way to gain citizenship.

I say that President Obama's citizenship is a moot point because he is already President. Even if his citizenship status is brought into question at this time, there is no way to invalidate a Presidency that has already happened. The best his political opponents could do is try to prevent him from running for a second term.

It is just a detail that should have obviously been addressed by all parties involved much, much earlier.[/QUOTE]Birther am confirmed, good bye.
 
I didn't realize that Romney was 65 years old, has he had any work done? I'll admit he doesn't look that old. His little punk of a son Tagg is 42, meaning he was born when Romney was about 23.
 
[quote name='Richard Kain']mykevermin was equating WASP-ishness with being a US citizen, which confused me immensely. The term WASP is a reference to ethnicity and religious association. It has nothing to do with nationality.

The issue of WASP is very significant when referring to Presidential elections. Before Obama was elected to office, there was only one other President to be elected to the office who WASN'T a WASP. That was John F. Kennedy. (who was Catholic, and thus not Protestant) For the longest time, it was believed that only WASPs could be elected to the Presidency.[/QUOTE]
WASP also has to do with socio-economic class. Nice of you to leave that part out though...probably because it'd destroy your argument.

With the election of President Obama, that trend has clearly ended. I imagine that in the future we are going to be seeing more ethnically and religiously diverse candidates for the Presidency. We can already see evidence of that in the current election, where neither candidate is Protestant. (or indeed even Christian)
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Wait wut? You need to explain this one, buddy.

Well, yes, actually. Having one parent be a US citizen does not automatically confer citizenship on the child. A close friend of mine had TWO parents who were born US citizens, and they had to apply for their child to have dual citizenship because she was born in Germany. (and by default, was a German citizen) By the laws of most countries, (including the US) being born within the borders of the country is the surest way to gain citizenship.
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What does dual-citizenship have to do with it anything?

I say that President Obama's citizenship is a moot point because he is already President. Even if his citizenship status is brought into question at this time, there is no way to invalidate a Presidency that has already happened. The best his political opponents could do is try to prevent him from running for a second term.

It is just a detail that should have obviously been addressed by all parties involved much, much earlier.
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I guess I should've made myself more clear...

ARE YOU A BIRTHER?

edit: I'm not saying that one parent automatically makes you a citizen, I'm implying that you think he is a Kenyan Muslim usurper.
 
[quote name='Clak']I didn't realize that Romney was 65 years old, has he had any work done? I'll admit he doesn't look that old. His little punk of a son Tagg is 42, meaning he was born when Romney was about 23.[/QUOTE]
You'd be surprised at how much a little hair dye and foundation can do to make you look younger. Not to mention that he's had a relatively easy life and takes care of himself a little.
 
[quote name='KingBroly']People pay attention to Donald Trump for something other than his hairpiece?[/QUOTE]

Yeah his hot daughter and wife.

[quote name='Richard Kain']You're talking cray cray. A racial minority has already been made President. The flood gates have already been opened, and there is no closing them again. That barrier is already broken, and there is no point in harping on it. One way or another, we are in a post-Obama US now, and there is no going back. WASPs are no longer the de-factor Presidential candidate.

You have no farther to look than the current Presidential campaign for confirmation. Neither candidate is a protestant. In past decades this would be unheard-of.

For my part, I want to see a citizen of Asian descent run on the Republican ticket. As an ethnicity, they have stereotypes that I can get behind.[/QUOTE]

He did not win because of any new racial tolerance. Obama won because Bush F'ed up so badly that no Rich/old/white/guy or even married to one can win the election after him.
 
While I have no doubt in my mind that Obama was born in Hawaii and is a citizen, I really, really would just love for some evidence to come out otherwise.

Not because I dislike Obama (which I do, but that's beside the point)... but because the comedic sideshow of crazy that would spew out from it would just be fun to watch.

I'm still disappointed that the country didn't rip apart at the seams with the Supreme Court's health care insurance verdict. We got the same rabble rabble we've had for four years. Bah.

Guess I'll just have to save my microwave popcorn for another night.
 
[quote name='dohdough']WASP also has to do with socio-economic class. Nice of you to leave that part out though...probably because it'd destroy your argument.[/QUOTE]

Um...no. WASP is an acronym. It literally means White Anglo-Saxon Protestant. And if I'm not mistaken, Obama was born into a fairly affluent family, wasn't he? In terms of socio-economic status, he didn't exactly get the short end of the stick.

I guess I should've made myself more clear...

ARE YOU A BIRTHER?

edit: I'm not saying that one parent automatically makes you a citizen, I'm implying that you think he is a Kenyan Muslim usurper.
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Oh, is THAT what that term means? "Birther" sounded like some silly science-fiction jargon. I had no idea what you were talking about. And I should think that the answer would be obvious from what I've already stated. No, I don't think that President Obama is a Kenyan usurper.

I DO think he's Muslim, but he's admitted as much himself and I firmly respect every US citizen's right to worship whatever they please. It is one of the founding principles of our country and should continue to be so. Persecution for religious beliefs is wrong.

I've already made it clear that the Presidents citizenship status is at best a minor technicality. It's not some grand conspiracy so much as mis-filed paperwork. The man has been raised and educated in the US his entire life. There is no Manchurian Candidate here. If there is any question in his citizenship, it is a matter of someone neglecting to fill the right form out, not a question of loyalty or allegiance.
 
[quote name='Richard Kain']Um...no. WASP is an acronym. It literally means White Anglo-Saxon Protestant. And if I'm not mistaken, Obama was born into a fairly affluent family, wasn't he? In terms of socio-economic status, he didn't exactly get the short end of the stick.



Oh, is THAT what that term means? "Birther" sounded like some silly science-fiction jargon. I had no idea what you were talking about. And I should think that the answer would be obvious from what I've already stated. No, I don't think that President Obama is a Kenyan usurper.

I DO think he's Muslim, but he's admitted as much himself and I firmly respect every US citizen's right to worship whatever they please. It is one of the founding principles of our country and should continue to be so. Persecution for religious beliefs is wrong.

I've already made it clear that the Presidents citizenship status is at best a minor technicality. It's not some grand conspiracy so much as mis-filed paperwork. The man has been raised and educated in the US his entire life. There is no Manchurian Candidate here. If there is any question in his citizenship, it is a matter of someone neglecting to fill the right form out, not a question of loyalty or allegiance.[/QUOTE]

lol we got a live one
 
[quote name='dafoomie']Obama's certainly a Jacksonian Democrat in that regard.[/QUOTE]
Well, name a president that wasn't an imperialist.
 
[quote name='dohdough']Well, name a president that wasn't an imperialist.[/QUOTE]
I was referring to Jackson's simple fondness for killing people.

[quote name='UncleBob']http://www.washingtonpost.com/world...8b3-11e2-a55c-39408fbe6a4b_story.html?hpid=z1

This was linked in your article. Also very concerning.

Dear President Obama - In order to keep your promise of cutting military spending, please consider melting down your Nobel Peace Prize and reusing the metal to help build the next drone.[/QUOTE]
Obama's Nobel is almost as laughable as the EU's.
 
[quote name='dafoomie']I was referring to Jackson's simple fondness for killing people.[/quote]
And I was referring to it as being anything but simple.

Obama's Nobel is almost as laughable as the EU's.
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Well, it's not like he asked for it.
 
[quote name='Richard Kain']Um...no. WASP is an acronym. It literally means White Anglo-Saxon Protestant. And if I'm not mistaken, Obama was born into a fairly affluent family, wasn't he? In terms of socio-economic status, he didn't exactly get the short end of the stick.



Oh, is THAT what that term means? "Birther" sounded like some silly science-fiction jargon. I had no idea what you were talking about. And I should think that the answer would be obvious from what I've already stated. No, I don't think that President Obama is a Kenyan usurper.

I DO think he's Muslim, but he's admitted as much himself and I firmly respect every US citizen's right to worship whatever they please. It is one of the founding principles of our country and should continue to be so. Persecution for religious beliefs is wrong.

I've already made it clear that the Presidents citizenship status is at best a minor technicality. It's not some grand conspiracy so much as mis-filed paperwork. The man has been raised and educated in the US his entire life. There is no Manchurian Candidate here. If there is any question in his citizenship, it is a matter of someone neglecting to fill the right form out, not a question of loyalty or allegiance.[/QUOTE]

A charmingly eloquent bigot is still a bigot. See also: Charles Murray (of the "Bell Curve" fame).
 
Jesus, I'm reading through the Yahoo Comments from the Trump article. Who do people think Obama is, a Scooby Doo villain? He's the "most mysterious president ever" and whatnot because he won't release his college transcripts.

It's funny at first, and then just gets more and more depressing...
 
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