2012 MLB Discussion

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[quote name='bigdaddybruce44']One of the reasons I probably follow baseball more closely than any other sport is the ability of many teams to keep their players if they have the money. I realize it sucks for smaller market teams to lose their guys so often, but guess what? That would likely happen no matter what the system. I hate watching a championship football team get the meat picked off their bones, because the value of their players skyrocket, and they can't afford them anymore. I could at least stomach a soft cap. A hard cap? No thanks.[/QUOTE]
So the 1% should be allowed to retain the best of the best because they can afford it? I'm indifferent on the subject but it sounds like to me that perhaps it would keep player salaries grounded in reality or at least not allow 'team-stacking' as it were.
 
Thing everybody, other than Joe Strauss of the STL Post Dispatch, is forgetting is that Wainwright is coming off Tommy John surgery in Feb. 2011 and he looked absolutely terrible last night and is over 200 innings pitched right now. I'm starting to worry about his long-term health, especially in the light of Jaime's shoulder acting up looking like it needs rotator cuff surgery just a couple of years after Tommy John, but you have to push as hard as you can now. Nationals probably beat the Cards w/Strausberg but you can't expect to be the Braves/Yankees/Cardinals, etc. and be in the playoffs every year or every other year. Look at Cal Ripken, in the WS his rookie year and never again. That could be Strausberg. Do what ATL did with their young pitcher coming off Tommy John and start him in the bullpen until mid-season and then have him for the playoffs.

One thing to note is David Freese is saying in interviews the team is rallying behind Carlos Beltran to get him a ring since he's about the only non-rookie on the team w/o a ring from last year, and the Cards ring from 06 (which Wainwright and Molina had a hand in getting) came at the expense of Beltran's Mets team. Also the Cards want to show that even with losing a HoF manager, HoF player, and arguably one of the two best pitching coaches ever they can still get it done.
 
Ugh...Yankee bats...zzzzzzzz... Exactly what I was expecting. I mean, A-Rod sucks, no question about it. But Swisher is equally horrible in the playoffs...and that seems to be rubbing off on Cano and Granderson as well. I really wish Jeter would step up and tell these guys "IT'S THE SAME GAME! Stop thinking about what time of year it is and just hit the damn ball. You shouldn't be doing anything any differently now than you've done all season." It's just insane to see this many hitters struggle the way they do.
 
[quote name='pitfallharry219']Arod strikes out on 3 pitches with runners on 2nd and 3rd with no outs. Horrible.[/QUOTE]

It's seriously beyond pathetic. You could get a beer league player to give you a better at bat. I can't even fathom the thought that nobody is telling him to stop looking for the 3 run homer and just put a good swing on the ball. All he had to do was put the ball in play...and there's probably a 90% chance of scoring a run there. The rate that he fails at is uncanny. I feel like you would generally have to TRY to fail as often and as horribly as he does.
 
This is why I stopped watching the games. Sick of wasting my time on jackass millionaires who can't even play the game the right way. They could have hit two fucking broken bat dribblers and tied the game. The lack of fundamental hitting makes me sick. Nobody gives a shit how far you can hit the ball in batting practice. And it's a fucking insult to the pitching staff to not get one run there. If I were Andy Pettitte, I'd say "fuck you guys" and just leave. Piss poor, garbage effort. I'd say I hope Girardi chews their asses out for it, but I doubt anybody would hear him anyway.
 
VAL LOL verde

yankees dont deserve to win this game but holy shit detroit this is embarrassing

lmao @ 50% of the seats empty cause all the bandwagon fans left early
 
[quote name='n8rockerasu']This is why I stopped watching the games. Sick of wasting my time on jackass millionaires who can't even play the game the right way. They could have hit two fucking broken bat dribblers and tied the game. The lack of fundamental hitting makes me sick. Nobody gives a shit how far you can hit the ball in batting practice. And it's a fucking insult to the pitching staff to not get one run there. If I were Andy Pettitte, I'd say "fuck you guys" and just leave. Piss poor, garbage effort. I'd say I hope Girardi chews their asses out for it, but I doubt anybody would hear him anyway.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, you'd make one great teammate there Terrell Owens.
 
^Yep, that's what the radio implied. (Got no cable access).

If Jeter is seriously hurt, this could change the series for sure.
Who will NY play in his place?

Tigers take the victory!:D
 
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Wow...I can't believe the Tigers blew that lead. I turned on UFC when it was 4-0. Either way, the Yanks had no business winning this one. Their team is so screwed up. When you're getting better production out of your platoon and bench players, something is drastically wrong. Awesome that the Yankees had to fuck themselves even further by tying the game up just so Jeter could get hurt...and then they lose anyway. Should have just let it die at 4-0. I tell ya, baseball makes the least sense of any sport. Sometimes you can't win by winning and you can't lose by losing. Motherfucker...
 
[quote name='mitch079']Jeter fractured his ankle, done for the postseason.[/QUOTE]

Better than what I thought it was. Looked like a compound leg break.
 
Yankees might as well forfeit the rest of the series. I would say "Oh, maybe they'll rally behind their fallen Captain". But yeah...and maybe monkeys will fly out of my butt. Hey, maybe they could put A-Rod back at SS and he'll magically remember how to hit again. Maybe?
 
[quote name='n8rockerasu']Wow...I can't believe the Tigers blew that lead.[/QUOTE]

That's because you haven't had to watch Big Potato pitch all season. He wasn't liked around here before tonight (or before the similar collapse a few days ago), but now it's ten times worse. Leyland said they'd be "discussing it" (the closer situation). Even with Leyland's annoying loyalty to certain players, I can't imagine Valverde continuing on after tonight.

Tigers dumping Valverde and Jeter being done would certainly seem like a win-win for them, but this team has shown a remarkable ability to underachieve all season. Nothing would surprise me at this point.
 
Wow. For me, this turnaround from euphoria to devastation ranks up there with Game 7 of the 2001 World Series. The only difference is, there we literally lost the series (obviously). Here, it just feels like we already did.

Even if Jeter didn't get hurt, I would have said the Yankees have a really tough mountain to climb. Lost a game after such a dramatic comeback, and it wasn't even a game started by their ace. And you've got four guys in that lineup that look lost. Now, you have to add in the loss of their leader and one of the few guys actually hitting? Geez...

With all of the dramatics of last night, I think a poor managing job by Girardi gets swept under the rug. His use of the bullpen puzzled me in a lot of spots. I also didn't agree with pinch-running Gardner for Granderson. I realize Gardner did steal two bases, but to me, Dotel is so slow to the plate, Grandy probably could have taken second fairly easily, leaving Girardi more options as the game went on.

Not that there was really a good chance of him coming back anyway, but I would hope that last night's performance finally makes the Yankees realize that Swisher should not be on this team. He is honestly the worst overall postseason performer I have ever watched in my 20+ years as a Yankee fan. Besides the fact that his bat completely disappears in October, he's a below-average outfielder with horrible baseball instincts. Let the Mets or someone overpay him.
 
Well I liked the 2001 World Series. :cry:

I don't like the Yankees but that sucks about Jeter, I like teams in the playoffs to be at full strength.
 
[quote name='ratzombie']Well I liked the 2001 World Series. :cry:[/QUOTE]

HAHA, I should have predicated that "as a Yankee fan."

Anyway, the one really great storyline for the Yankees now is how A-Rod responds to this. Chavez has been awful, too, and with Jeter already out of the lineup, I don't see Joe sitting A-Rod at all. This is a grand opportunity for Rodriguez to even surpass his 2009 postseason, because he can really throw it in the face of all of us haters by dragging the Yankees to the World Series without Jeter.
 
[quote name='bigdaddybruce44']HAHA, I should have predicated that "as a Yankee fan."

Anyway, the one really great storyline for the Yankees now is how A-Rod responds to this. Chavez has been awful, too, and with Jeter already out of the lineup, I don't see Joe sitting A-Rod at all. This is a grand opportunity for Rodriguez to even surpass his 2009 postseason, because he can really throw it in the face of all of us haters by dragging the Yankees to the World Series without Jeter.[/QUOTE]

That WOULD be a great storyline if A-Rod were actually capable of rising to the occasion. It's more likely though that the team just mails in the rest of the series. I'm predicting a 5-1 loss tonight, followed by a unlikely 7-6 loss in Game 3 with the Yanks finally hitting Verlander, but CC having an off night (considering he was incredible in his first two starts, he's due for one). Then, Hughes just gets swallowed up by the moment in Game 4 for an 8-2 loss. With the team playing the way they are, I don't see them winning a game at this point.
 
The way they have already been playing, coupled with Jeter going down, yeah, I doubt the Yankees put up a lot of resistance. But it would make a great story if A-Rod woke up. I would say that, the one glimmer of hope is that guys like Cano, Swisher, and A-Rod have been sooooooooooooo awful that maybe, just maybe, one or two of them hit a little stride.
 
Ya know, the most sickening thing about Jeter's injury is that if the Yankees had been able to hit a freaking ground ball with runners on 2nd and 3rd once in two tries, that 9th inning rally would have won the game and Jeter's injury would have never happened. THIS is why you don't swing for the 3 run homer all the time. You get runs when you can, and you outlast your opponent. I can't imagine that Girardi isn't constantly preaching this to them. The only explanation is that they're way too full of themselves (A-Rod, Swisher, Cano, Granderson) to listen. Just the thought that that 12th inning could have been completely avoided makes my stomach turn.
 
[quote name='crunchewy']There needs to be a salary cap like in other sports. It's pretty nuts that that's not there.

The only good thing about the Yankees having a ridiculous amount of money is that it makes for a team that's easy to hate. Go Tigers! LOL. :)[/QUOTE]

While I too would like to see a salary cap, the sheer reality of implementing one could be a nightmare. If they decide on a hard cap of say, $100 million, how are teams like the Red Sox and Yankees supposed to magically cut down their payroll when they have several players with large contracts? You'd have to give at least a 2 season grace period for those teams to get under the cap, and who wants to do that?
 
Yanks mailing it in as expected. Cano, Arod, Granderson, Swisher...1-12. Way to help Kuroda out fellas. I guess I gave them too much credit predicting a 5-1 score.

[quote name='mitch079']Yeah, you'd make one great teammate there Terrell Owens.[/QUOTE]

I meant to respond to this yesterday, but think about it from the pitcher's perspective. He's out there trying to contain a very good Tigers lineup, battling, working long at bats, only to have his effort completely wasted and disrespected by hitters who strike out on 3 pitches, pop the first pitch up, etc. The ones being "Terrell Owens's" are the hitters.

Like I said before, the Yankee pitching staff always gets ripped apart in the media, but personally, I think it's been fine since 2009. Sure, they have their ups and downs during the season, but that happens. Having half your lineup just completely forget how to make contact in the playoffs shouldn't happen.
 
Well ARod just got on base, but only 4 hits for NY for the game.
Gotta' feel good if your a Tigers fan, Verlander in game 3 in the D.
 
[quote name='chuckie88']Well ARod just got on base, but only 4 hits for NY for the game.
Gotta' feel good if your a Tigers fan, Verlander in game 3 in the D.[/QUOTE]

Yup. No way the series isn't a 4-0 sweep. Absolutely no way. This Yankee lineup has no heart and hasn't had any in years. Girardi would be better served putting himself in the lineup at this point.
 
[quote name='n8rockerasu']Ya know, the most sickening thing about Jeter's injury is that if the Yankees had been able to hit a freaking ground ball with runners on 2nd and 3rd once in two tries, that 9th inning rally would have won the game and Jeter's injury would have never happened. THIS is why you don't swing for the 3 run homer all the time. You get runs when you can, and you outlast your opponent. I can't imagine that Girardi isn't constantly preaching this to them. The only explanation is that they're way too full of themselves (A-Rod, Swisher, Cano, Granderson) to listen. Just the thought that that 12th inning could have been completely avoided makes my stomach turn.[/QUOTE]

See St. Louis Cardinals. :)
 
Alright, so far so good, gotta keep the pressure on and keep the Giants off base.

Edit: The fuck did I just say about keeping the Giants off base Cards?!
 
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Not that the Yankee bats have any business complaining about bad calls giving the Tigers more runs, but this...

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was called "safe". The ump openly admitted after the game that he blew the call. How sweet of him. :roll:

And that's after this one from Game 1 was called "out"...which happened with the bases loaded and 2 outs.

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When it rains, it fucking pours...
 
Cards get the win but I'm worried they're going to blow the bullpen out. I don't want it to go more than 6 b/c if it goes 7 then it's Lohse in game 7.
 
[quote name='n8rockerasu']Not that the Yankee bats have any business complaining about bad calls giving the Tigers more runs, but this...[/QUOTE]

I was gonna post about the bad calls, but considering the way the Yankees have played, I didn't even feel it was worth it. I also think Ibanez was safe in the 1st inning of Game 1, but that was a real bang-bang play, so it's hard to complain. The two you posted, thought, were pretty bad.
 
I didn't get to see the last game against Washington, but wasn't Loshe the pitcher that gave up 6 runs in the first 3 innings?
 
Baseball should have replay challenges. Limited, but they should be there. But that call was no matter last night since Detroit shut them out. Plus I hate the Yankees. LOL.
 
Well, the call still mattered, because it helped them get 2 runs. The approach the hitters and pitchers take would change a lot. Not saying the Yankees would've actually scored (probably not), but it did make the last couple of innings play out differently.
 
[quote name='sendme']I didn't get to see the last game against Washington, but wasn't Loshe the pitcher that gave up 6 runs in the first 3 innings?[/QUOTE]

No that was Wainwright. Lohse has been fairly lights out in postseason this year: pitched against ATL & Game 4 against Washington.
 
Would love to see the Giants in the World Series again.

Sucks that the A's couldn't make it this year after the run they had, but at least one Northern CA team has a chance this year.
 
Ya know, I really love Joe Girardi. He's managing out of desperation, but it's really better than just sitting there all "ho hum" and just going with the status quo. A-Rod and Swisher haven't done shit. They should be benched. And he even took my advice and held off CC, knowing that a loss to Verlander is likely...and it would be DEVASTATING to lose to him in a game that CC pitched in.

But with CC going in game 4, that's about as comfortable as you can be down 3-0. If they can somehow win that game (which is a crazy thought considering they'd have to score runs), then you've got Pettitte again in Game 5 (who pitched well in Game 1...just got ZERO help). If you can win that game, by that point, your bats should be coming around. It's probably a 1,000 to 1 longshot, but I can see the method to the madness. And when the left side of your infield is now Eric Chavez and Eduardo Nunez, what the hell are you supposed to do? lol

EDIT - Annnnd...just like that, Eduardo Nunez is outperforming A-Rod in the playoffs, haha. Wow.
 
How pathetic that Nunez of all people had to bail the team out from laying another goose egg. And even then Verlander could have played a little with his pitches since he was ahead of the count, that home run might not have happened. At this rate CC should be be the DH, all this money going around to all these players and they keep relying on Ibanez to win them games wtf.
 
[quote name='Beatofficer']Time for the Yankees to buy some new players it seems and send the old ones off to the farm.[/QUOTE]

Time to stop playing MLB 2K12.
 
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