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pitfallharry219 said:
I think Gerrit Cole and Brian McCann would be best friends.

Gomez is a punk. He did the same thing last year against the Braves when he hit a homer, which is what led to McCann blocking the plate from him after he trotted around 3rd.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAxJunWPDdg
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The best part of all this is it's a solo home run in the top of the first. You'd think he just hit a walk off or a grand slam with the way he's puffing his chest and acting like the man lol.

 
The funniest part is that when the player showboats, the pitcher is the only one paying attention. Everybody else is watching the ball.

Honestly, I think pitchers and catchers overreact to this stuff way too often. Baseball is far, far, far from a classy sport.
 
pitfallharry219 said:
There has to be some semblance of class. We don't want it devolving into something like the NBA.
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Agree with this 1000%. Plus there is the chance you make an *** of yourself when you acted like it was no doubt only to have it bounce off the wall lol. Although sadly, if it got to that it would actually probably draw more interest among today's younger generation.

 
The Braves lost a tough one to the Marlins tonight, 1-0. Jose Fernandez pitched a great game, giving up 3 hits with 14 Ks and no walks. Alex Wood was nearly equally as good, going 8 innings and only giving up one run on 4 hits with 11 Ks and no walks.

According to the Elias Sports Bureau, that's the most combined strikeouts (28 total from all pitchers tonight) with no walks in a game since 1900.

This makes two straight games that Wood has gone 8 innings and only given up 1 run and still got the L hung on him. He lost to the Phillies 1-0 last week.

 
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So Albert Pujols hit HR #500 last night. Anybody wanna guess how many he'll finish with? I think he's got a sliver of a shot at 700, but he'll have to stay healthy. I think that, at worst, he'll at least pass Griffey at 630.

 
pitfallharry219 said:
So Albert Pujols hit HR #500 last night. Anybody wanna guess how many he'll finish with? I think he's got a sliver of a shot at 700, but he'll have to stay healthy. I think that, at worst, he'll at least pass Griffey at 630.
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I'm gonna guess he's got about 2-3 strong years left in him at about 30 HR a year, and then he'll probably play another 3 years with diminished skills but he'd still be good enough to hit 20 HR or so. So 640 lol.

 
pitfallharry219 said:
So Albert Pujols hit HR #500 last night. Anybody wanna guess how many he'll finish with? I think he's got a sliver of a shot at 700, but he'll have to stay healthy. I think that, at worst, he'll at least pass Griffey at 630.
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I should point out that Griffey is my favorite player of all time. My username is a tribute to him. 30 and 3 were the numbers he used as a Red. If he had stayed healthy I think he could have hit 700.

 
Reds303 said:
I should point out that Griffey is my favorite player of all time. My username is a tribute to him. 30 and 3 were the numbers he used as a Red. If he had stayed healthy I think he could have hit 700.
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No doubt. I think we would be talking about him as the all time HR King if he would've stayed healthy. He missed half the season in 1995, plus over half the total games from 2002 through the 2004 season. Plus, he hit 40 during the strike-shortened 1994. With that pace, he may have finished with 60 or more that year.

 
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Feeding the Abscess said:
By what measure are we defining best hitter?
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Appreciate the love for Griffey. My drunken post may not have added anything to the convo, but as a baseball player vs. hitter, Griffey was a complete player. Mike Trout may end up staying healthy and productive, which is why I root for him, as he could be everything Griffey was denied. He may not be the best hitter, but look at the complete package he delivered, and it's easy to see him being a top ten player... vs. hitting only.

 
Feeding the Abscess said:
By what measure are we defining best hitter?
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As in, mentioned along the lines of Ted Williams, Hank Aaron, and Babe Ruth.

As awesome as Mike Trout is, Griffey in his prime was better. Hell, he is still the ONLY player to hit a home run all the way to the warehouse at Camden Yards. Even if it was during the All-Star game, nobody's come within 50 feet of the warehouse.
 
Reds303 said:
I should point out that Griffey is my favorite player of all time. My username is a tribute to him. 30 and 3 were the numbers he used as a Red. If he had stayed healthy I think he could have hit 700.
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Griffey, had he stayed healthy would have been in the discussions about being the first man to hit 800 homers. If he's not one of the best hitters ever, he had one sweet swing. Griffey is the biggest reason I started batting left handed in little league.

I say Pujols ends up with about 657. He has a few years he can DH for another 20 or so.

 
DNukem170 said:
As in, mentioned along the lines of Ted Williams, Hank Aaron, and Babe Ruth.

As awesome as Mike Trout is, Griffey in his prime was better. Hell, he is still the ONLY player to hit a home run all the way to the warehouse at Camden Yards. Even if it was during the All-Star game, nobody's come within 50 feet of the warehouse.
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By way of raw stat totals, he's right there or pretty close with Williams, Aaron, and Ruth, and you could probably make at least a non-crazy case that he's a top ten hitter by that standard - even with the missed time and age-related decline. 630 HR and 3500 combined R+RBI are impressive. His rate stats are a clear step below the greats, though. His peak fits really nicely into a decade sorting, and you can compare his offensive output to his peers:

http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=all&stats=bat&lg=all&qual=y&type=8&season=1999&month=0&season1=1990&ind=0

Griffey's defense puts him ahead of guys like Sheffield, Walker, Martinez, Thome, and Ramirez, obviously. I guess how you see Griffey boils down to how you value players: peak vs longevity, and raw totals versus rate stats. I always took a liking to Bonds and Frank Thomas as hitters, as opposed to Griffey.

Trout's already put up two seasons with the bat that are comparable to any of Griffey's best seasons when you factor in league and park adjustments. Trout's also a better baserunner and isn't shabby in CF himself. It's obviously too early to say Trout is better, since Griffey was great for a decade, but Trout has a head start after two seasons.

Reds303 said:
Appreciate the love for Griffey. My drunken post may not have added anything to the convo, but as a baseball player vs. hitter, Griffey was a complete player. Mike Trout may end up staying healthy and productive, which is why I root for him, as he could be everything Griffey was denied. He may not be the best hitter, but look at the complete package he delivered, and it's easy to see him being a top ten player... vs. hitting only.
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His defense after he hit his late 20s was so bad, though. His hitting actually held up really well as he aged, but he went from being one of the best CF of the 90s to one of the worst CF of all time in the 2000s. It's definitely a shame he didn't keep himself in shape. He may have ended up with somewhere close to 700 HR and 2200 RBI had he been able to play another 300 games. He probably wouldn't have been so bad in the field as he aged, either.

 
Its pretty surprising how easy it was for Griffey to hide how much of an asshole he was for so long.

He was a great player who was too stupid to realize he should have just stayed in Seattle.
 
"Let me touch yo' neck."

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That was crazy. And yet, I believe Pineda was cheating. Because it's baseball.

Oh, and congrats to the Cubs for celebrating Wrigley's 100th anniversary in typical Cub fashion.
 
DNukem170 said:
That was crazy. And yet, I believe Pineda was cheating. Because it's baseball.
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As a Yankee fan, I have to say...he really couldn't have made it look more obvious...and for the 2nd time against the Sox. But Boston has been accused of similar stuff, and both David Ortiz and Dustin Pedroia were quoted after the last game of saying "everybody does it"...so, in that way...it's kind of a bitch move for Farrell to pull (other than it being so blatant, I guess). I do kind of hope it sets off a war with Girardi asking umpires to feel up Red Sox pitchers though. Tit for tat, bitch, lol :lol:

 
good for the Sox, this kind of crap needs to stop in baseball.  I know other pitchers do it too and I hope they get called on the carpet for it.

 
GamerDude316 said:
good for the Sox, this kind of crap needs to stop in baseball. I know other pitchers do it too and I hope they get called on the carpet for it.
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If he didnt have it slathered all over his neck they never woulda said a thing about it. Most of the Sox said it wasnt a big deal even after the last game.

 
Feeding the Abscess said:
By way of raw stat totals, he's right there or pretty close with Williams, Aaron, and Ruth, and you could probably make at least a non-crazy case that he's a top ten hitter by that standard - even with the missed time and age-related decline. 630 HR and 3500 combined R+RBI are impressive. His rate stats are a clear step below the greats, though. His peak fits really nicely into a decade sorting, and you can compare his offensive output to his peers:

http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=all&stats=bat&lg=all&qual=y&type=8&season=1999&month=0&season1=1990&ind=0

Griffey's defense puts him ahead of guys like Sheffield, Walker, Martinez, Thome, and Ramirez, obviously. I guess how you see Griffey boils down to how you value players: peak vs longevity, and raw totals versus rate stats. I always took a liking to Bonds and Frank Thomas as hitters, as opposed to Griffey.

Trout's already put up two seasons with the bat that are comparable to any of Griffey's best seasons when you factor in league and park adjustments. Trout's also a better baserunner and isn't shabby in CF himself. It's obviously too early to say Trout is better, since Griffey was great for a decade, but Trout has a head start after two seasons.

His defense after he hit his late 20s was so bad, though. His hitting actually held up really well as he aged, but he went from being one of the best CF of the 90s to one of the worst CF of all time in the 2000s. It's definitely a shame he didn't keep himself in shape. He may have ended up with somewhere close to 700 HR and 2200 RBI had he been able to play another 300 games. He probably wouldn't have been so bad in the field as he aged, either.
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What Griffey was/could have been have been can never be measured by modern day sabermetics. He was a beast in his prime, and a delight to watch in CF that the younger generation may never see. He made plays in CF that were truly magical, no advanced statistics could measure what he did. Griffey, Mays, and possibly Trout are once in a lifetime players that must be admired for what they are.

 
Feeding the Abscess said:
It's definitely a shame he didn't keep himself in shape. He may have ended up with somewhere close to 700 HR and 2200 RBI had he been able to play another 300 games. He probably wouldn't have been so bad in the field as he aged, either.
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I'm sorry, but what in the hell are you implying here? I guess there's not a statistic for you to look up that measures how injuries take a toll on players bodies? I wouldn't call four hamstring tears and a slew of other injuries "not staying in shape". Many have pointed to Griffey's all-out hustle as the reason for his injuries.

When you factor in that this was during a time when many of his colleagues were turning to steroids to stave off injuries and recover more quickly, it's fairly easy to get a clear picture on why Griffey's career took a sharp decline. He wasn't out of shape. He gave everything he had every single time he stepped on the field...and his body gave up on him. The way you put it makes it sound like he let himself go.

 
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n8rockerasu said:
I'm sorry, but what in the hell are you implying here? I guess there's not a statistic for you to look up that measures how injuries take a toll on players bodies? I wouldn't call four hamstring tears and a slew of other injuries "not staying in shape". Many have pointed to Griffey's all-out hustle as the reason for his injuries.

When you factor in that this was during a time when many of his colleagues were turning to steroids to stave off injuries and recover more quickly, it's fairly easy to get a clear picture on why Griffey's career took a sharp decline. He wasn't out of shape. He gave everything he had every single time he stepped on the field...and his body gave up on him. The way you put it makes it sound like he let himself go.
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I'm not implying anything, nor did I deny the toll injuries played in his decline - which occurred more precipitously in the field than it did at the plate. He put on weight as his career progressed. Even by his late 20s he had begun to look a little soft. It's not hard to imagine why aging and gaining weight can lead to injuries, and subsequently affect his ability to play baseball. Had he not gained weight he still may have found himself hurt as he entered his 30s, but the likelihood of tearing his hamstrings multiple times and developing the other lower body issues would have been lessened.

Reds303 said:
What Griffey was/could have been have been can never be measured by modern day sabermetics. He was a beast in his prime, and a delight to watch in CF that the younger generation may never see. He made plays in CF that were truly magical, no advanced statistics could measure what he did. Griffey, Mays, and possibly Trout are once in a lifetime players that must be admired for what they are.
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Offensively, you surely can. Defensively, there wasn't as much information as there is now, and defense still is a bit of gray area today. So you're right. What he did on defense can't be measured well by modern statistical analysis. Still, what information we do have makes it hard for me to believe that he was better than Andruw Jones (who I also got to watch, and was also amazing). If I'm hard on Griffey for aging poorly, Andruw takes the cake for flaming out. Pun intended.

As an aside, it is pretty awesome to be able to watch Trout on a consistent basis.

 
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Here are 12 quotes that were absolutely, no lying, without a doubt, said at the first game at Wrigley in 1914:

“It’s been five long years for this city without a World Series title, but I’m sure the boys will pull through and win a championship very soon.”

“I do say, as confines go, these seem quite friendly.”

“These new sporting grounds are lovely indeed. Benches to rest upon. Walking areas that aren’t thick with human waste. No luxury has been spared!”

“Don’t get me started on President Wilson and the fools in our Congress!”

“I’m glad there’s not a giant wall in this ballyard like at that abomination in Beantown. They’ll no doubt now be forced to tear down that calamity and build anew.”

“I just overheard a woman giving her opinion on the abilities of the batsman. You can’t even vote, doll, what gave you the cockamamie idea anyone pays any heed to the musings on sport of your inferior brain?”

“I don’t care for the growing push to track the batting average, or whatever it is they call it, of each individual player. The sport of base-ball is about gumption and moxie, not intellectual elites with slide rules.”

“I believe the gentleman who just reached into the field of play is my haberdasher, Seymour P. Bartman.”

“A beautiful day, a remarkable feat of engineering for the viewing of base-ball, no worldwide military conflicts. The 20th Century is extraordinary and will go down as the peak of mankind!"

“Check out the neck and wrists on that fair lass. I’d like to passionately kiss her after a suitable period of courting.”

“I don’t think this team will be very good, but I care little, as I have imbibed several pints of frosty ale!”

“I hope Derrick Rose is healthy next year.”
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Original source - http://www.sportspickle.com/2014/04/things-overheard-opening-game-wrigley-field-1914
 
Reds303 said:
Appreciate the love for Griffey. My drunken post may not have added anything to the convo, but as a baseball player vs. hitter, Griffey was a complete player. Mike Trout may end up staying healthy and productive, which is why I root for him, as he could be everything Griffey was denied. He may not be the best hitter, but look at the complete package he delivered, and it's easy to see him being a top ten player... vs. hitting only.
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Griffey was my favorite player as a teenager in the 90's (boy the Cards sucked then) but I disavowed him after 2000 when he called up ESPN complaining about all the Edmonds highlights.
 
n8rockerasu said:
As a Yankee fan, I have to say...he really couldn't have made it look more obvious...and for the 2nd time against the Sox. But Boston has been accused of similar stuff, and both David Ortiz and Dustin Pedroia were quoted after the last game of saying "everybody does it"...so, in that way...it's kind of a bitch move for Farrell to pull (other than it being so blatant, I guess). I do kind of hope it sets off a war with Girardi asking umpires to feel up Red Sox pitchers though. Tit for tat, bitch, lol :lol:
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I'm pretty sure Farrell has to say something there, Pineda needs to put in a little more effort to not be so obviousl. If you are going to cheat, do it right. lol.

 
MSUHitman said:
Griffey was my favorite player as a teenager in the 90's (boy the Cards sucked then) but I disavowed him after 2000 when he called up ESPN complaining about all the Edmonds highlights.
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I'm not saying that Griffey wasn't a bit self-centered and a bit of a jerk, but I don't think they actually happened. He said it didn't, ESPN said it didn't, and no one actually claimed to witnessed it. It was just a made up story by a reporter who couldn't even name his source, if I remember correctly (although that was a long time ago).

 
I honestly feel bad for how Griffey's career went so downhill after going to the Reds.  I remember reading the Baseball Weekly article when he was first traded and he had such genuine excitement about going to Cincy, real shame it didnt work out for him.  I think if injuries hadnt held him up he would have easily gotten 700+ HR's.

 
pitfallharry219 said:
Whoa. There's a blast from the past. I used to love that magazine. I stopped getting it after they merged it with NFL coverage and started calling it Sports Weekly. It just wasn't the same.
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Yeah, I loved it growing up. Think I stopped around the same time as you as quality just went down the drain.
 
bigdaddybruce44 said:
Pineda is such an idiot...put it inside your glove...on your belt...ANYWHERE but right on your neck in a massive streak...Jesus man...
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No joke. fucking hide it. Anywhere but your neck. Put it on your jockstrap or your wiener.

I can't believe he got busted for that. I know a bunch of guys do it, but wow. Even Kenny Rogers covered it in dirt.

 
I just really really want Joe Girardi to tell the umpire that Jon Lester has pine tar in his buttcrack because he keeps rubbing his ass...and to please go check, lol. At least give us a laugh out of it.

 
Reds303 said:
I'm not saying that Griffey wasn't a bit self-centered and a bit of a jerk, but I don't think they actually happened. He said it didn't, ESPN said it didn't, and no one actually claimed to witnessed it. It was just a made up story by a reporter who couldn't even name his source, if I remember correctly (although that was a long time ago).
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http://www.stlsports.com/articles/mh.07.08.00.griffey.html

I'm trying to find the recent DP radio show interview with Harold Reynolds when they talk about this.

 
burritoman said:
No joke. fucking hide it. Anywhere but your neck. Put it on your jockstrap or your wiener.

I can't believe he got busted for that. I know a bunch of guys do it, but wow. Even Kenny Rogers covered it in dirt.
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n8rockerasu said:
I just really really want Joe Girardi to tell the umpire that Jon Lester has pine tar in his buttcrack because he keeps rubbing his ass...and to please go check, lol. At least give us a laugh out of it.
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Harold Reynolds told Dan Patrick this week no umpire would check anyone's zipper so he doesn't understand why that wasn't a hiding place.

 
Some guy called Francesa yesterday.

"Hey Mike. Why didn't Pineda hide the pine tar somewhere where you wouldn't see it, like under his cup"

Can't make it up.
 
Didn't hear that one, but I can only imagine his response was along the lines of "UNDER his cup? All right, you're gone. You see, folks, you wait on hold for an hour, and that's it. Doesn't bother me. Been doing this for 25 years."

 
DestroVega said:
Some guy called Francesa yesterday.

"Hey Mike. Why didn't Pineda hide the pine tar somewhere where you wouldn't see it, like under his cup"

Can't make it up.
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LOL I don't know what would be worse there ... it being obvious he's cheating or someone thinking he's just that excited to be pitching in Yankee Stadium.

 
MLB did the right thing and "clarified" the transfer rule: you don't have to make the transfer to get the first out...so basically back to the way they've been calling it forever...

 
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