[quote name='mykevermin']huh?[/quote]
You know, this thing.
One good thing they are getting out of all this at least.
You know, this thing.
One good thing they are getting out of all this at least.
40gb PS3 $399, no bc - 11/2, $499 80gb, limited bc, now. 56,877 new skus rumored
http://www.mcvuk.com/news/28570/Maguire-New-PS3-can-change-attitudes
So you been planning a 40GB PS3 without BC that was 'so great and required' last year, and are bundling it with a Blu-ray movie? WTF is the PS3? Is it a Blu-ray player or a video game system? Make up your
ing minds Sony.
So you been planning a 40GB PS3 without BC that was 'so great and required' last year, and are bundling it with a Blu-ray movie? WTF is the PS3? Is it a Blu-ray player or a video game system? Make up your
ing minds Sony.bluekeith75
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I went ahead and got a 60gb a few days ago and am absoloutly loving it!!
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[quote name='GizmoGC']http://www.mcvuk.com/news/28570/Maguire-New-PS3-can-change-attitudes
So you been planning a 40GB PS3 without BC that was 'so great and required' last year, and are bundling it with a Blu-ray movie? WTF is the PS3? Is it a Blu-ray player or a video game system? Make up youring minds Sony.[/QUOTE]
No, he said they'd been "considering" it since launch. Which is a possibility, given that they seem to be saving enough money by omitting it to sell it at a much cheaper price.
So you been planning a 40GB PS3 without BC that was 'so great and required' last year, and are bundling it with a Blu-ray movie? WTF is the PS3? Is it a Blu-ray player or a video game system? Make up your
ing minds Sony.[/QUOTE]No, he said they'd been "considering" it since launch. Which is a possibility, given that they seem to be saving enough money by omitting it to sell it at a much cheaper price.
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[quote name='GizmoGC']http://www.mcvuk.com/news/28570/Maguire-New-PS3-can-change-attitudes
So you been planning a 40GB PS3 without BC that was 'so great and required' last year, and are bundling it with a Blu-ray movie? WTF is the PS3? Is it a Blu-ray player or a video game system? Make up youring minds Sony.[/quote]
Didnt they come with talladega nights at launch even when the system had full BC? To answer your question it is both, but since the main concern with the system is the price and not the lack of games bundled with it they decided to cut the price as low as they could and throw in a blu-ray movie with it.
So you been planning a 40GB PS3 without BC that was 'so great and required' last year, and are bundling it with a Blu-ray movie? WTF is the PS3? Is it a Blu-ray player or a video game system? Make up your
ing minds Sony.[/quote]Didnt they come with talladega nights at launch even when the system had full BC? To answer your question it is both, but since the main concern with the system is the price and not the lack of games bundled with it they decided to cut the price as low as they could and throw in a blu-ray movie with it.
That's bullshit, plain and simple. The reason the system is too expensive in the first place is because they're trying to sneak blu-ray players into everyone's household and we all know it. His "well no one knows all the facts" is a cop-out plain and simple.
Yes, we understand Sony loses money on every PS3 that's sold, we're not idiots. The part "the internet crowds" don't understand is why you had to make your system so god damn high end in the first place.
Now, you're in the neighborhood of the 360's price range but you've still got 2 problems at this point. The first is that you've already alienated potential buyers with your holier-than-thou trash talking that you've done to the other companies. The very same companies that have combined to sell nearly 5 times the number of consoles you have. They've stolen your fanbase Sony, plain and simple. Your second problem is that in order to hit that $400 price point you've stripped your console down to absolute bare-bones. You did it backwards. You add stuff to your system, not continuously take stuff away. Most importantly, you don't make such a big deal about backwards compatability (and how Microsoft just isn't getting it right) and then strip that completely out of your console. You've bungled your way through this generation from start to finish and that's why "the 'nets" has turned against you, not just because of the price-point but because of your whole attitude and approach to this generation of consoles.
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[quote name='RedvsBlue']you've already alienated potential buyers with your holier-than-thou trash talking that you've done to the other companies.[/QUOTE]
You really think that matters?
You really think that matters?
[quote name='mykevermin']You really think that matters?[/QUOTE]
Probably not on a grand scale. But probably some among hardcore gamers. Definitely soured me more on them, after I was already pissed about the the high price from forcing a blu ray player I don't need/want right now.
But definitely doesn't matter to the casual gamers who made the PS2 and PS1 a raging success. The absurd price already cost them most of that market.
Probably not on a grand scale. But probably some among hardcore gamers. Definitely soured me more on them, after I was already pissed about the the high price from forcing a blu ray player I don't need/want right now.
But definitely doesn't matter to the casual gamers who made the PS2 and PS1 a raging success. The absurd price already cost them most of that market.
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[quote name='SNKMat']is it true that it will include warhawk and resistance[/QUOTE]
It's unlikely that they'd include an M-rated game in the box.
It's unlikely that they'd include an M-rated game in the box.
[quote name='RedvsBlue']That's bullshit, plain and simple. The reason the system is too expensive in the first place is because they're trying to sneak blu-ray players into everyone's household and we all know it. His "well no one knows all the facts" is a cop-out plain and simple.
Yes, we understand Sony loses money on every PS3 that's sold, we're not idiots. The part "the internet crowds" don't understand is why you had to make your system so god damn high end in the first place.
Now, you're in the neighborhood of the 360's price range but you've still got 2 problems at this point. The first is that you've already alienated potential buyers with your holier-than-thou trash talking that you've done to the other companies. The very same companies that have combined to sell nearly 5 times the number of consoles you have. They've stolen your fanbase Sony, plain and simple. Your second problem is that in order to hit that $400 price point you've stripped your console down to absolute bare-bones. You did it backwards. You add stuff to your system, not continuously take stuff away. Most importantly, you don't make such a big deal about backwards compatability (and how Microsoft just isn't getting it right) and then strip that completely out of your console. You've bungled your way through this generation from start to finish and that's why "the 'nets" has turned against you, not just because of the price-point but because of your whole attitude and approach to this generation of consoles.[/QUOTE]
Of course blu-ray was put in to help sony win the HD format war and that's what drove up the price, but from a gaming perspective it's becoming important.
360 discs can only hold around 7GB of game data (I've seen as low as 6.8GB quoted). Not sure what the exact amount is but some games are going to have problems fitting. The latest being Assassin's Creed supposedly. Didn't GTA4 developers complain too or was it a rumor?
What's funny is Oblivion was used as an excuse for a long time that DVD was ok yet we now have the GOTY edition on 2 discs and requires you to download on to the hard drive. The numbers I've seen have Oblivion, Shivering Isles, and Knights of the Nine very close to 7GB. There's not much reason for Bethesda to open the door for people to rent or borrow GOTY from a friend, download the supposed $30 worth of content, and be able to do this for little to no money. You could even buy a used version at Gamestop, download the 2nd disc, and return it and claim you didn't like the game and Gamestop would give you your money back. Seems suspicious to me for Bethesda to offer this option and not put it on one disc.
Other consoles have stolen the fanbase? Way too early to call that. There's something like 100 million PS2's out there, has 360 even broke 15 million yet? Plenty of gamers out there who still haven't chosen. A $400 system is a step in the right direction. And it's "barebones"? You call a standard hard drive, blu-ray player, wi-fi, etc. barebones?
360 core is given a free pass because it was there at launch, but people complain about PS3 pricing (including yourself) so sony answers by cutting back and offering a lower priced version and you still complain? BC is still there in the 80GB version. You pay more for extra specs, same way you buy a premium or elite for extra features and specs. When sony cancels the 80GB and they're off the shelf and there's no sign of software emulation then feel free to tear into them. BC will truly be dead and buried if that happens.
Sony has plenty of times said one thing and turned around less than a month later and did the opposite. As of now you have options in the form of 60GB and 80GB.
Yes, we understand Sony loses money on every PS3 that's sold, we're not idiots. The part "the internet crowds" don't understand is why you had to make your system so god damn high end in the first place.
Now, you're in the neighborhood of the 360's price range but you've still got 2 problems at this point. The first is that you've already alienated potential buyers with your holier-than-thou trash talking that you've done to the other companies. The very same companies that have combined to sell nearly 5 times the number of consoles you have. They've stolen your fanbase Sony, plain and simple. Your second problem is that in order to hit that $400 price point you've stripped your console down to absolute bare-bones. You did it backwards. You add stuff to your system, not continuously take stuff away. Most importantly, you don't make such a big deal about backwards compatability (and how Microsoft just isn't getting it right) and then strip that completely out of your console. You've bungled your way through this generation from start to finish and that's why "the 'nets" has turned against you, not just because of the price-point but because of your whole attitude and approach to this generation of consoles.[/QUOTE]
Of course blu-ray was put in to help sony win the HD format war and that's what drove up the price, but from a gaming perspective it's becoming important.
360 discs can only hold around 7GB of game data (I've seen as low as 6.8GB quoted). Not sure what the exact amount is but some games are going to have problems fitting. The latest being Assassin's Creed supposedly. Didn't GTA4 developers complain too or was it a rumor?
What's funny is Oblivion was used as an excuse for a long time that DVD was ok yet we now have the GOTY edition on 2 discs and requires you to download on to the hard drive. The numbers I've seen have Oblivion, Shivering Isles, and Knights of the Nine very close to 7GB. There's not much reason for Bethesda to open the door for people to rent or borrow GOTY from a friend, download the supposed $30 worth of content, and be able to do this for little to no money. You could even buy a used version at Gamestop, download the 2nd disc, and return it and claim you didn't like the game and Gamestop would give you your money back. Seems suspicious to me for Bethesda to offer this option and not put it on one disc.
Other consoles have stolen the fanbase? Way too early to call that. There's something like 100 million PS2's out there, has 360 even broke 15 million yet? Plenty of gamers out there who still haven't chosen. A $400 system is a step in the right direction. And it's "barebones"? You call a standard hard drive, blu-ray player, wi-fi, etc. barebones?
360 core is given a free pass because it was there at launch, but people complain about PS3 pricing (including yourself) so sony answers by cutting back and offering a lower priced version and you still complain? BC is still there in the 80GB version. You pay more for extra specs, same way you buy a premium or elite for extra features and specs. When sony cancels the 80GB and they're off the shelf and there's no sign of software emulation then feel free to tear into them. BC will truly be dead and buried if that happens.
Sony has plenty of times said one thing and turned around less than a month later and did the opposite. As of now you have options in the form of 60GB and 80GB.
Size of discs don't matter at all. They can always put a game on multiple discs if they have to. Which is perfectly fine, as you have to be pretty damn ing lazy to not want to get up and change discs once during a long game. And it would have to be a damn long game, or chalk full of FMV cutscenes, to fill up a 7GB disc.
The only reason the Oblivion stuff has to be copied to the hard drive is because it was just downloadable expansions that they just crammed onto a disc rather than reprogramming to run independently off there own discs. Just a way for them to maximize profits.
As for the Core getting a free pass. Bullshit. It's always been known as the "tard pack" since day one on net forums.
It was a joke, and I was annoyed at MS for having a $400 console since the $300 option was completely useless.
At any rate, like I said above, I finally got on the 360 wagon with the incredible Fry's deal, so Sony has lost this former PS fan. Loved the PS1 and PS2, but PS3 has shown me nothing, while the 360 has a hell of a good game line up and a better price. Failure rate is all that worries me, but with the new heatsink hopefully that's fine, and if not the 3 year warranty gives me some peace of mind.
Sony just wasn't going to be at a price point/game library ratio that would warrant a purchase for me anytime soon, if ever. They're future exclusives just don't exite me much. Basically a few games I'd "like" to play, but nothing that I "must" play.
ing lazy to not want to get up and change discs once during a long game. And it would have to be a damn long game, or chalk full of FMV cutscenes, to fill up a 7GB disc. The only reason the Oblivion stuff has to be copied to the hard drive is because it was just downloadable expansions that they just crammed onto a disc rather than reprogramming to run independently off there own discs. Just a way for them to maximize profits.
As for the Core getting a free pass. Bullshit. It's always been known as the "tard pack" since day one on net forums.
It was a joke, and I was annoyed at MS for having a $400 console since the $300 option was completely useless.
At any rate, like I said above, I finally got on the 360 wagon with the incredible Fry's deal, so Sony has lost this former PS fan. Loved the PS1 and PS2, but PS3 has shown me nothing, while the 360 has a hell of a good game line up and a better price. Failure rate is all that worries me, but with the new heatsink hopefully that's fine, and if not the 3 year warranty gives me some peace of mind.
Sony just wasn't going to be at a price point/game library ratio that would warrant a purchase for me anytime soon, if ever. They're future exclusives just don't exite me much. Basically a few games I'd "like" to play, but nothing that I "must" play.
[quote name='dmaul1114']Size of discs don't matter at all. They can always put a game on multiple discs if they have to. Which is perfectly fine, as you have to be pretty damn ing lazy to not want to get up and change discs once during a long game. And it would have to be a damn long game, or chalk full of FMV cutscenes, to fill up a 7GB disc.
The only reason the Oblivion stuff has to be copied to the hard drive is because it was just downloadable expansions that they just crammed onto a disc rather than reprogramming to run independently off there own discs. Just a way for them to maximize profits.
As for the Core getting a free pass. Bullshit. It's always been known as the "tard pack" since day one on net forums.
It was a joke, and I was annoyed at MS for having a $400 console since the $300 option was completely useless.
At any rate, like I said above, I finally got on the 360 wagon with the incredible Fry's deal, so Sony has lost this former PS fan. Loved the PS1 and PS2, but PS3 has shown me nothing, while the 360 has a hell of a good game line up and a better price. Failure rate is all that worries me, but with the new heatsink hopefully that's fine, and if not the 3 year warranty gives me some peace of mind.
Sony just wasn't going to be at a price point/game library ratio that would warrant a purchase for me anytime soon, if ever. They're future exclusives just don't exite me much. Basically a few games I'd "like" to play, but nothing that I "must" play.[/QUOTE]
And I could turn around and ask how is it maximizing profits by creating an easy way to get Shivering Isles ($20-$30 content) for basically no money? They went through the trouble of letting core owners (people without hard drives) be able to play Oblivion, but now they've shut them out of playing Shivering Isles? Maybe this seems normal to you but it seems weird to see a company offer such an easy way for people to get a 30 hour expansion simply by renting or borrowing from a friend. To you it may be maximizing profits, I call that throwing money away because they don't want to include it on one disc?
And since when can you swap discs in a game like GTA4? Of course the game will end up on one disc, Rockstar has no choice. They have to make it fit on one DVD and core owners have to be able to play it. If they did complain about disc space then it could be a sign that space was an issue.
ing lazy to not want to get up and change discs once during a long game. And it would have to be a damn long game, or chalk full of FMV cutscenes, to fill up a 7GB disc. The only reason the Oblivion stuff has to be copied to the hard drive is because it was just downloadable expansions that they just crammed onto a disc rather than reprogramming to run independently off there own discs. Just a way for them to maximize profits.
As for the Core getting a free pass. Bullshit. It's always been known as the "tard pack" since day one on net forums.
It was a joke, and I was annoyed at MS for having a $400 console since the $300 option was completely useless.
At any rate, like I said above, I finally got on the 360 wagon with the incredible Fry's deal, so Sony has lost this former PS fan. Loved the PS1 and PS2, but PS3 has shown me nothing, while the 360 has a hell of a good game line up and a better price. Failure rate is all that worries me, but with the new heatsink hopefully that's fine, and if not the 3 year warranty gives me some peace of mind.
Sony just wasn't going to be at a price point/game library ratio that would warrant a purchase for me anytime soon, if ever. They're future exclusives just don't exite me much. Basically a few games I'd "like" to play, but nothing that I "must" play.[/QUOTE]
And I could turn around and ask how is it maximizing profits by creating an easy way to get Shivering Isles ($20-$30 content) for basically no money? They went through the trouble of letting core owners (people without hard drives) be able to play Oblivion, but now they've shut them out of playing Shivering Isles? Maybe this seems normal to you but it seems weird to see a company offer such an easy way for people to get a 30 hour expansion simply by renting or borrowing from a friend. To you it may be maximizing profits, I call that throwing money away because they don't want to include it on one disc?
And since when can you swap discs in a game like GTA4? Of course the game will end up on one disc, Rockstar has no choice. They have to make it fit on one DVD and core owners have to be able to play it. If they did complain about disc space then it could be a sign that space was an issue.
[quote name='zerolens']And I could turn around and ask how is it maximizing profits by creating an easy way to get Shivering Isles ($20-$30 content) for basically no money? They went through the trouble of letting core owners (people without hard drives) be able to play Oblivion, but now they've shut them out of playing Shivering Isles? Maybe this seems normal to you but it seems weird to see a company offer such an easy way for people to get a 30 hour expansion simply by renting or borrowing from a friend. To you it may be maximizing profits, I call that throwing money away because they don't want to include it on one disc?
And since when can you swap discs in a game like GTA4? Of course the game will end up on one disc, Rockstar has no choice. They have to make it fit on one DVD and core owners have to be able to play it. If they did complain about disc space then it could be a sign that space was an issue.[/QUOTE]
Yet PS3 owners can't even download and play Shivering Isles :lol:
And since when can you swap discs in a game like GTA4? Of course the game will end up on one disc, Rockstar has no choice. They have to make it fit on one DVD and core owners have to be able to play it. If they did complain about disc space then it could be a sign that space was an issue.[/QUOTE]
Yet PS3 owners can't even download and play Shivering Isles :lol:
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[quote name='GizmoGC']Yet PS3 owners can't even download and play Shivering Isles :lol:[/QUOTE]
Not for a few days yet.
What, is GOTY due out on Tuesday? :lol:
I can't for the life of me figure out why they've not done it via the PSN store yet.. it certainly cannot be a technical issue... it must be a pricing/$ to Sony issue.
They seem to be working it out though... as the Bethesda rep said we'd have good news soon... (whether it be a $30 disc or a $30 download... I don't mind either.)
I've heard the arguments for and against Blu Ray, and I've got to say that some of the against sound eerily like the Nintendo "cartridges are fine" arguments back in the N64 days. "CD-Roms add cost and complexity..." etc etc.
Was it too early to put out a Blu Ray player equipped console? *shrug* We'll see. Simply hearing the "it's too expensive" crowd chanting over and over on forums and at in blog comment sections does not constitute a groundswell of anti-Blu Ray sentiment (though the initial cost was significant, the console wars are not lost on cost alone... at least not long-term.)
Not for a few days yet.
What, is GOTY due out on Tuesday? :lol:I can't for the life of me figure out why they've not done it via the PSN store yet.. it certainly cannot be a technical issue... it must be a pricing/$ to Sony issue.
They seem to be working it out though... as the Bethesda rep said we'd have good news soon... (whether it be a $30 disc or a $30 download... I don't mind either.)
I've heard the arguments for and against Blu Ray, and I've got to say that some of the against sound eerily like the Nintendo "cartridges are fine" arguments back in the N64 days. "CD-Roms add cost and complexity..." etc etc.
Was it too early to put out a Blu Ray player equipped console? *shrug* We'll see. Simply hearing the "it's too expensive" crowd chanting over and over on forums and at in blog comment sections does not constitute a groundswell of anti-Blu Ray sentiment (though the initial cost was significant, the console wars are not lost on cost alone... at least not long-term.)
[quote name='zerolens']
And since when can you swap discs in a game like GTA4? Of course the game will end up on one disc, Rockstar has no choice. They have to make it fit on one DVD and core owners have to be able to play it. If they did complain about disc space then it could be a sign that space was an issue.[/QUOTE]
Fair point for those kind of games. Multiple discs would be an issues for those types of non-linear games as itw ould be annoying to have to switch back and forth multiple times.
But given that it's going to the 360, and having exclusive content there, the game obviously fits just fine on regular DVDs (have heard nothing of any complaints about size from Rockstar), so it's a moot point. 7GB is plenty of space for games that don't waste it with FMV, lossless audio etc.
As for the Oblivion expansions, it probably just saved money with not having to re-program the expansions to run independently. I'd assume the weighted the potential losses through people installing from a friends copy etc. against the costs of re-programming as full games (and taking more time to release) when making the decision of how to put it out. That or they didn't give a crap.
And since when can you swap discs in a game like GTA4? Of course the game will end up on one disc, Rockstar has no choice. They have to make it fit on one DVD and core owners have to be able to play it. If they did complain about disc space then it could be a sign that space was an issue.[/QUOTE]
Fair point for those kind of games. Multiple discs would be an issues for those types of non-linear games as itw ould be annoying to have to switch back and forth multiple times.
But given that it's going to the 360, and having exclusive content there, the game obviously fits just fine on regular DVDs (have heard nothing of any complaints about size from Rockstar), so it's a moot point. 7GB is plenty of space for games that don't waste it with FMV, lossless audio etc.
As for the Oblivion expansions, it probably just saved money with not having to re-program the expansions to run independently. I'd assume the weighted the potential losses through people installing from a friends copy etc. against the costs of re-programming as full games (and taking more time to release) when making the decision of how to put it out. That or they didn't give a crap.
[quote name='Mechafenris']
Was it too early to put out a Blu Ray player equipped console? *shrug* We'll see. Simply hearing the "it's too expensive" crowd chanting over and over on forums and at in blog comment sections does not constitute a groundswell of anti-Blu Ray sentiment (though the initial cost was significant, the console wars are not lost on cost alone... at least not long-term.)[/QUOTE]
I don't care much about the console wars. Couldn't care less who wins as I'm not much of a fan of any of the three companies, and competition is good for us gamers.
I just bitch about blu-ray as I have no interest in a high def disc format until the HD-DVD/BR wars are over, the movie catalogs are vastly expanded and discs cost about the same as DVDs now (buy most of mine for $5-15).
So including it gave me a non-gaming feature I don't want right now, and priced the console WAY above what I'd ever pay for a console. And this also cost them exclusives due to sluggish first year sales, giving me even less incentive to buy a PS3, despite playing the shit out of the PS1 and PS2.
Will it cost them the console war? Don't know. Don't care. It cost them my business this generation though.
Was it too early to put out a Blu Ray player equipped console? *shrug* We'll see. Simply hearing the "it's too expensive" crowd chanting over and over on forums and at in blog comment sections does not constitute a groundswell of anti-Blu Ray sentiment (though the initial cost was significant, the console wars are not lost on cost alone... at least not long-term.)[/QUOTE]
I don't care much about the console wars. Couldn't care less who wins as I'm not much of a fan of any of the three companies, and competition is good for us gamers.
I just bitch about blu-ray as I have no interest in a high def disc format until the HD-DVD/BR wars are over, the movie catalogs are vastly expanded and discs cost about the same as DVDs now (buy most of mine for $5-15).
So including it gave me a non-gaming feature I don't want right now, and priced the console WAY above what I'd ever pay for a console. And this also cost them exclusives due to sluggish first year sales, giving me even less incentive to buy a PS3, despite playing the shit out of the PS1 and PS2.
Will it cost them the console war? Don't know. Don't care. It cost them my business this generation though.
[quote name='Mechafenris']Not for a few days yet. What, is GOTY due out on Tuesday? :lol:
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Notice how I said "download"
PS3 owners who bought this back in March now have to rebuy it for Shivering Isle. If you bought Elder Scrolls on the 360 18 months ago you can download Shivering Isle right now.
I'm gonna have to give this game another whirl on Monday...As soon as I can find the game.
What, is GOTY due out on Tuesday? :lol:[/QUOTE]
Notice how I said "download"
PS3 owners who bought this back in March now have to rebuy it for Shivering Isle. If you bought Elder Scrolls on the 360 18 months ago you can download Shivering Isle right now.
I'm gonna have to give this game another whirl on Monday...As soon as I can find the game.
http://biz.gamedaily.com/industry/feature/?id=16019
OPM asked, "On PS3 you've got a guarantee that every machine is going to have a hard-drive and, with Blu-ray, you've got plenty of storage, whereas on Xbox 360 there's no guarantee of a hard-drive and you're working with the DVD format. Does that create limitations?" Houser replied quickly and succinctly, "Yep." He added, "To be honest with you we haven't solved all those riddles yet."
According to that the non-standard hard drive and DVD format could be causing problems or at the very least is a drawback. We're not talking about a game that can be done on multiple discs and FMV is not the problem either. At the same time there's no way Rockstar is going to say on launch day that they cut back on GTA4 in certain areas to make it fit on DVD. They don't want people to think the game is gimped somehow. Like I said though the game will be on one disc, it has to be, and people will continue to justify the DVD disc as enough because of that.
As far as Oblivion, if I knew the EXACT size of Oblivion + Knights of the Nine + Shivering Isles and also the EXACT size of useable disc space for game data on a 360 DVD then that would answer my question. All I ever see is "7GB" quoted, and I believe someone quoted 6.8GB once. From the numbers I've seen Oblivion GOTY is very close to that, and possibly right at 6.8GB if the numbers I've seen are correct.
Oblivion NTSC 5.83GB + Shivering Isles 993 MB + KOTN 155MB = 6.95GB I think
OPM asked, "On PS3 you've got a guarantee that every machine is going to have a hard-drive and, with Blu-ray, you've got plenty of storage, whereas on Xbox 360 there's no guarantee of a hard-drive and you're working with the DVD format. Does that create limitations?" Houser replied quickly and succinctly, "Yep." He added, "To be honest with you we haven't solved all those riddles yet."
According to that the non-standard hard drive and DVD format could be causing problems or at the very least is a drawback. We're not talking about a game that can be done on multiple discs and FMV is not the problem either. At the same time there's no way Rockstar is going to say on launch day that they cut back on GTA4 in certain areas to make it fit on DVD. They don't want people to think the game is gimped somehow. Like I said though the game will be on one disc, it has to be, and people will continue to justify the DVD disc as enough because of that.
As far as Oblivion, if I knew the EXACT size of Oblivion + Knights of the Nine + Shivering Isles and also the EXACT size of useable disc space for game data on a 360 DVD then that would answer my question. All I ever see is "7GB" quoted, and I believe someone quoted 6.8GB once. From the numbers I've seen Oblivion GOTY is very close to that, and possibly right at 6.8GB if the numbers I've seen are correct.
Oblivion NTSC 5.83GB + Shivering Isles 993 MB + KOTN 155MB = 6.95GB I think
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[quote name='GizmoGC']Notice how I said "download"
PS3 owners who bought this back in March now have to rebuy it for Shivering Isle. If you bought Elder Scrolls on the 360 18 months ago you can download Shivering Isle right now.
I'm gonna have to give this game another whirl on Monday...As soon as I can find the game.[/QUOTE]
Notice a little further how I said that Bethesda is going to announce soon that it might be downloadable too via PSN... (or not, so they qualified it....) I got the idea... Implications that the Shivering isles was not available for the PS3 was the Bethesda way of saying "GOTY?" which is not ideal... and I don't think the end of the story.
I think, if you can get it on disc by itself for $30 like you will be able to for the 360, will downloading be _that_ much more desirable? For me, not so much.
There will be a standalone shivering isles for the PS3... what format that will take is another matter. And as usual this gen... we can always say "not quite yet" when we talk about it.
PS3 owners who bought this back in March now have to rebuy it for Shivering Isle. If you bought Elder Scrolls on the 360 18 months ago you can download Shivering Isle right now.
I'm gonna have to give this game another whirl on Monday...As soon as I can find the game.[/QUOTE]
Notice a little further how I said that Bethesda is going to announce soon that it might be downloadable too via PSN... (or not, so they qualified it....) I got the idea... Implications that the Shivering isles was not available for the PS3 was the Bethesda way of saying "GOTY?" which is not ideal... and I don't think the end of the story.
I think, if you can get it on disc by itself for $30 like you will be able to for the 360, will downloading be _that_ much more desirable? For me, not so much.
There will be a standalone shivering isles for the PS3... what format that will take is another matter. And as usual this gen... we can always say "not quite yet" when we talk about it.
[quote name='zerolens']
Oblivion NTSC 5.83GB + Shivering Isles 993 MB + KOTN 155MB = 6.95GB I think[/QUOTE]
Keep in mind here that you're arguing that one of the longest games ever made, with one of the biggest game worlds ever created, PLUS two expansions for it could almost fit on one DVD probably.
DVDs are enough space for most games this generation, and most games can be put on multiple discs. It's really just an issue with these types of open ended games were you have one big world/city your zig zagging across as it would be annoying to have say half the world on one disc and half on the other.
So for those types of games, Blurays do offer an advantage. Still not enough to remotely justify the console costing $500-600 at launch as that's $200-300 more than I'd pay for a console with no games included. Even the $400 for the Frys 360 bundle with 5 games stings the wallet/my sensibilities a bit.
Oblivion NTSC 5.83GB + Shivering Isles 993 MB + KOTN 155MB = 6.95GB I think[/QUOTE]
Keep in mind here that you're arguing that one of the longest games ever made, with one of the biggest game worlds ever created, PLUS two expansions for it could almost fit on one DVD probably.
DVDs are enough space for most games this generation, and most games can be put on multiple discs. It's really just an issue with these types of open ended games were you have one big world/city your zig zagging across as it would be annoying to have say half the world on one disc and half on the other.
So for those types of games, Blurays do offer an advantage. Still not enough to remotely justify the console costing $500-600 at launch as that's $200-300 more than I'd pay for a console with no games included. Even the $400 for the Frys 360 bundle with 5 games stings the wallet/my sensibilities a bit.
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[quote name='dmaul1114']Keep in mind here that you're arguing that one of the longest games ever made, with one of the biggest game worlds ever created, PLUS two expansions for it could almost fit on one DVD probably.
DVDs are enough space for most games this generation, and most games can be put on multiple discs. It's really just an issue with these types of open ended games were you have one big world/city your zig zagging across as it would be annoying to have say half the world on one disc and half on the other.
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Throw in some uncompressed cutscenes, a few lengthy bits of dialogue, perhaps some big textures that don't repeat and make the world seem like a 1960's cartoon, and a large worldmap (regardless of game length), and I think we can see multiple DVDs. Whether that is a good thing or not is left up to the historians who look back on this generation's game consoles....
There were similar issues when CD-Roms first came on the scene for PC games... lots of shovelware (filler) came out early on, because game studios wanted to fill them up, but didn't have the ideas or design concepts in place to make larger, more immersive games... so they added FMV, some uncompressed audio tracks and voila! CD-sized game! Later, games became mindful of the content, and made decent games on the media (sometimes on multiple discs like Planescape:Tormet... an EXCELLENT RPG)..
In the case of Blu-Ray, however... it's not necessarily Sony's proactive response to the inevitable size constraints (which I think given their console lifecycles, might actually have been a consideration), but the format war w/r/t DVD's successor that is the sticking point with the PS3 (and those who find it vastly overpriced at the moment.)
I think Sony could've hit the $400 pricepoint, came out with a $300 add-on for Blu-Ray like the HD-DVD add-on for the 360, and we'd be having a very different conversation... (albeit, probably a negative one about the PS3, given the development hurdles and all). But that's parallel universe talk... and in _this_ universe, we focus on the now.
I am not as vocal a critic about the PS3 w/r/t price, because I feel like it will (and has already) delivered a worthy experience for what I paid for it. (I bought a 20GB, and threw in a 120GB hdd). Still, I am not going to say that the price is for everyone, and those who balk at the higher price have rocks in their skulls. To each his own, YMMV, and results are not typical. For me, I didn't think the 360 was overpriced (albeit a bit shoddy... though I bought an elite recently to remedy that.)
I wonder how 2008 will pan out with lots of cross-platform gaming coming in the bigger titles from the larger (not-EA) studios.... heck, even the fellow who recently took the helm of EA stated that the PS3 was going to be more on par with the 360 under his watch... thus possibly nullifying the "we're focusing on the 360" comments of the previous guard...
DVDs are enough space for most games this generation, and most games can be put on multiple discs. It's really just an issue with these types of open ended games were you have one big world/city your zig zagging across as it would be annoying to have say half the world on one disc and half on the other.
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Throw in some uncompressed cutscenes, a few lengthy bits of dialogue, perhaps some big textures that don't repeat and make the world seem like a 1960's cartoon, and a large worldmap (regardless of game length), and I think we can see multiple DVDs. Whether that is a good thing or not is left up to the historians who look back on this generation's game consoles....
There were similar issues when CD-Roms first came on the scene for PC games... lots of shovelware (filler) came out early on, because game studios wanted to fill them up, but didn't have the ideas or design concepts in place to make larger, more immersive games... so they added FMV, some uncompressed audio tracks and voila! CD-sized game!
Later, games became mindful of the content, and made decent games on the media (sometimes on multiple discs like Planescape:Tormet... an EXCELLENT RPG).. In the case of Blu-Ray, however... it's not necessarily Sony's proactive response to the inevitable size constraints (which I think given their console lifecycles, might actually have been a consideration), but the format war w/r/t DVD's successor that is the sticking point with the PS3 (and those who find it vastly overpriced at the moment.)
I think Sony could've hit the $400 pricepoint, came out with a $300 add-on for Blu-Ray like the HD-DVD add-on for the 360, and we'd be having a very different conversation... (albeit, probably a negative one about the PS3, given the development hurdles and all). But that's parallel universe talk... and in _this_ universe, we focus on the now.
I am not as vocal a critic about the PS3 w/r/t price, because I feel like it will (and has already) delivered a worthy experience for what I paid for it. (I bought a 20GB, and threw in a 120GB hdd). Still, I am not going to say that the price is for everyone, and those who balk at the higher price have rocks in their skulls. To each his own, YMMV, and results are not typical.
For me, I didn't think the 360 was overpriced (albeit a bit shoddy... though I bought an elite recently to remedy that.)I wonder how 2008 will pan out with lots of cross-platform gaming coming in the bigger titles from the larger (not-EA) studios.... heck, even the fellow who recently took the helm of EA stated that the PS3 was going to be more on par with the 360 under his watch... thus possibly nullifying the "we're focusing on the 360" comments of the previous guard...
[quote name='zerolens']http://biz.gamedaily.com/industry/feature/?id=16019
OPM asked, "On PS3 you've got a guarantee that every machine is going to have a hard-drive and, with Blu-ray, you've got plenty of storage, whereas on Xbox 360 there's no guarantee of a hard-drive and you're working with the DVD format. Does that create limitations?" Houser replied quickly and succinctly, "Yep." He added, "To be honest with you we haven't solved all those riddles yet."
According to that the non-standard hard drive and DVD format could be causing problems or at the very least is a drawback. We're not talking about a game that can be done on multiple discs and FMV is not the problem either. At the same time there's no way Rockstar is going to say on launch day that they cut back on GTA4 in certain areas to make it fit on DVD. They don't want people to think the game is gimped somehow. Like I said though the game will be on one disc, it has to be, and people will continue to justify the DVD disc as enough because of that.
As far as Oblivion, if I knew the EXACT size of Oblivion + Knights of the Nine + Shivering Isles and also the EXACT size of useable disc space for game data on a 360 DVD then that would answer my question. All I ever see is "7GB" quoted, and I believe someone quoted 6.8GB once. From the numbers I've seen Oblivion GOTY is very close to that, and possibly right at 6.8GB if the numbers I've seen are correct.
Oblivion NTSC 5.83GB + Shivering Isles 993 MB + KOTN 155MB = 6.95GB I think[/QUOTE]
this is why PS3 success is so important, not just for Sony but for everyone. I want the PS3 to do well because I really want to see what devs can do when they use the space, when they use the system's power. This isn't about console wars its about the advancement of the industry, advancement of the games. What could GTA have been if they didn't have to gimp it for the 360 and 360 owners without hard drives. What could oblivion have been.. if there weren't as many limitations - instigated by the size of dvd. These companies don't want multiple disc games... because that increased production costs, and just more chances for error. plus every game isn't good for multiple discs.. oblivion.. you could just ruin the immersiveness of the game if you have to change discs back and forth. Lets not shun a good idea just because its not the way its done on other consoles.
OPM asked, "On PS3 you've got a guarantee that every machine is going to have a hard-drive and, with Blu-ray, you've got plenty of storage, whereas on Xbox 360 there's no guarantee of a hard-drive and you're working with the DVD format. Does that create limitations?" Houser replied quickly and succinctly, "Yep." He added, "To be honest with you we haven't solved all those riddles yet."
According to that the non-standard hard drive and DVD format could be causing problems or at the very least is a drawback. We're not talking about a game that can be done on multiple discs and FMV is not the problem either. At the same time there's no way Rockstar is going to say on launch day that they cut back on GTA4 in certain areas to make it fit on DVD. They don't want people to think the game is gimped somehow. Like I said though the game will be on one disc, it has to be, and people will continue to justify the DVD disc as enough because of that.
As far as Oblivion, if I knew the EXACT size of Oblivion + Knights of the Nine + Shivering Isles and also the EXACT size of useable disc space for game data on a 360 DVD then that would answer my question. All I ever see is "7GB" quoted, and I believe someone quoted 6.8GB once. From the numbers I've seen Oblivion GOTY is very close to that, and possibly right at 6.8GB if the numbers I've seen are correct.
Oblivion NTSC 5.83GB + Shivering Isles 993 MB + KOTN 155MB = 6.95GB I think[/QUOTE]
this is why PS3 success is so important, not just for Sony but for everyone. I want the PS3 to do well because I really want to see what devs can do when they use the space, when they use the system's power. This isn't about console wars its about the advancement of the industry, advancement of the games. What could GTA have been if they didn't have to gimp it for the 360 and 360 owners without hard drives. What could oblivion have been.. if there weren't as many limitations - instigated by the size of dvd. These companies don't want multiple disc games... because that increased production costs, and just more chances for error. plus every game isn't good for multiple discs.. oblivion.. you could just ruin the immersiveness of the game if you have to change discs back and forth. Lets not shun a good idea just because its not the way its done on other consoles.
[quote name='Mechafenris']Throw in some uncompressed cutscenes, a few lengthy bits of dialogue, perhaps some big textures that don't repeat and make the world seem like a 1960's cartoon, and a large worldmap (regardless of game length), and I think we can see multiple DVDs. [/quote]
Possibly. Non-repeating textures are the only thing I'd like tos ee out of that. I don't like a lot of cutscenes, so I don't care if they are compressed or not, don't like a lot of voice acting, not big on uber long games with huge worlds (get sick of the game long before finishing) so those things are moot points for me. But more space could be a good thing for people into those things.
No doubt about that. They cared more about winning the format war (think they would have given up since every format they've tried to introduce has failed) more than staying on top in gaming.
I think they'd be in first place if they'd done that just on brand strength alone. PS2 has a miserable first year sofware wise and still smoked the DC and was never threatened by the X-box or GC due to selling on name brand after the huge success of the PS1
Definitely to each their own. The PS3 is a decent value for someone who cares about having a BR player. I don't as I don't care much about picture quality (care some, but upconverted DVDs look more than good enough to me). Definitely not enough to pay $25-30 for discs I could get on DVD for $5-15.
360 was just high for me as well as I just don't game that much anymore. Probably average less than 5 hours a week across the year. Probably usually just play a couple hours, and just have a binge week every month or two where I'll do 20+ hours when some big AAA game sucks me in for a week or two.
So being a causal gamer it's just tough to justify spending that kind of money when it could be saved or spent on hobbies I enjoy more etc.
Possibly. Non-repeating textures are the only thing I'd like tos ee out of that. I don't like a lot of cutscenes, so I don't care if they are compressed or not, don't like a lot of voice acting, not big on uber long games with huge worlds (get sick of the game long before finishing) so those things are moot points for me. But more space could be a good thing for people into those things.
No doubt about that. They cared more about winning the format war (think they would have given up since every format they've tried to introduce has failed) more than staying on top in gaming.
I think Sony could've hit the $400 pricepoint, came out with a $300 add-on for Blu-Ray like the HD-DVD add-on for the 360, and we'd be having a very different conversation... (albeit, probably a negative one about the PS3, given the development hurdles and all). But that's parallel universe talk... and in _this_ universe, we focus on the now.
I think they'd be in first place if they'd done that just on brand strength alone. PS2 has a miserable first year sofware wise and still smoked the DC and was never threatened by the X-box or GC due to selling on name brand after the huge success of the PS1
To each his own, YMMV, and results are not typical.
Definitely to each their own. The PS3 is a decent value for someone who cares about having a BR player. I don't as I don't care much about picture quality (care some, but upconverted DVDs look more than good enough to me). Definitely not enough to pay $25-30 for discs I could get on DVD for $5-15.
360 was just high for me as well as I just don't game that much anymore. Probably average less than 5 hours a week across the year. Probably usually just play a couple hours, and just have a binge week every month or two where I'll do 20+ hours when some big AAA game sucks me in for a week or two.
So being a causal gamer it's just tough to justify spending that kind of money when it could be saved or spent on hobbies I enjoy more etc.
[quote name='Thomas96']What could oblivion have been.. if there weren't as many limitations - instigated by the size of dvd. [/QUOTE]
Did they really limit Oblivion? I thought it was more developed for PC and ported to 360, and the PC version was the same?
Again, this issue doesn't matter to me as I don't like open ended games, nor super long games as I just don't have the time or attention span for them.
Though I am curious to try Oblivion at some point on 360 as it's gotten such hype. GTAIV is a no go though as GTA3 still remains my most hated universally praised game.
But I can concede that disc space is an issue for such games.
Did they really limit Oblivion? I thought it was more developed for PC and ported to 360, and the PC version was the same?
Again, this issue doesn't matter to me as I don't like open ended games, nor super long games as I just don't have the time or attention span for them.
Though I am curious to try Oblivion at some point on 360 as it's gotten such hype. GTAIV is a no go though as GTA3 still remains my most hated universally praised game.
But I can concede that disc space is an issue for such games.
[quote name='dmaul1114']Keep in mind here that you're arguing that one of the longest games ever made, with one of the biggest game worlds ever created, PLUS two expansions for it could almost fit on one DVD probably.
DVDs are enough space for most games this generation, and most games can be put on multiple discs. It's really just an issue with these types of open ended games were you have one big world/city your zig zagging across as it would be annoying to have say half the world on one disc and half on the other.
So for those types of games, Blurays do offer an advantage. Still not enough to remotely justify the console costing $500-600 at launch as that's $200-300 more than I'd pay for a console with no games included. Even the $400 for the Frys 360 bundle with 5 games stings the wallet/my sensibilities a bit.[/QUOTE]
NTSC Morrowind GOTY Edition on the Xbox is 960MB. Since when is Elder Scrolls the standard on using disc capacity to the limits? We can both speculate all we want to, the fact remains it was put on two discs. Because of that core owners can't play Shivering Isles.
I wouldn't pay $600 for a PS3 the same way you wouldn't, but that's irrelevant to the issue. The issue is some games will potentially suffer because of disc space. I wouldn't call DVD space "enough" when one of the biggest games GTA4 is supposedly having space issues.
DVDs are enough space for most games this generation, and most games can be put on multiple discs. It's really just an issue with these types of open ended games were you have one big world/city your zig zagging across as it would be annoying to have say half the world on one disc and half on the other.
So for those types of games, Blurays do offer an advantage. Still not enough to remotely justify the console costing $500-600 at launch as that's $200-300 more than I'd pay for a console with no games included. Even the $400 for the Frys 360 bundle with 5 games stings the wallet/my sensibilities a bit.[/QUOTE]
NTSC Morrowind GOTY Edition on the Xbox is 960MB. Since when is Elder Scrolls the standard on using disc capacity to the limits? We can both speculate all we want to, the fact remains it was put on two discs. Because of that core owners can't play Shivering Isles.
I wouldn't pay $600 for a PS3 the same way you wouldn't, but that's irrelevant to the issue. The issue is some games will potentially suffer because of disc space. I wouldn't call DVD space "enough" when one of the biggest games GTA4 is supposedly having space issues.
The problem now seems to be that they didn't put enough RAM into the PS3, which is causing problems when trying to have a lot of data loaded. MS took a cue from Epic games and paid extra to put more RAM in the system than normal, not sure which type though, video RAM or normal system RAM?
Part of me thinks Sony skimped a bit on the RAM because they needed to put in the BC.
Anyway, developers have had to use more streaming technology where they stream data more off the standard hard drive and bluray disc at the same time.
Part of me thinks Sony skimped a bit on the RAM because they needed to put in the BC.
Anyway, developers have had to use more streaming technology where they stream data more off the standard hard drive and bluray disc at the same time.
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[quote name='Vanigan']The problem now seems to be that they didn't put enough RAM into the PS3, which is causing problems when trying to have a lot of data loaded. MS took a cue from Epic games and paid extra to put more RAM in the system than normal, not sure which type though, video RAM or normal system RAM?
Part of me thinks Sony skimped a bit on the RAM because they needed to put in the BC.
Anyway, developers have had to use more streaming technology where they stream data more off the standard hard drive and bluray disc at the same time.[/quote]
I tend to agree, if Sony had put the money they initially put into Blu Ray into the GPU and RAM solution in stead, the PS3 would be the most powerful console bar none...
As it stands, the PS3 is limited by its RAM, which, as with all computers, means it is bottlenecked by that choice.. which puts it and the Xbox 360 on about equal footing. 256 for video 256 for system versus 512 unified.
Part of me thinks Sony skimped a bit on the RAM because they needed to put in the BC.
Anyway, developers have had to use more streaming technology where they stream data more off the standard hard drive and bluray disc at the same time.[/quote]
I tend to agree, if Sony had put the money they initially put into Blu Ray into the GPU and RAM solution in stead, the PS3 would be the most powerful console bar none...
As it stands, the PS3 is limited by its RAM, which, as with all computers, means it is bottlenecked by that choice.. which puts it and the Xbox 360 on about equal footing. 256 for video 256 for system versus 512 unified.
[quote name='zerolens']I wouldn't call DVD space "enough" when one of the biggest games GTA4 is supposedly having space issues.[/QUOTE]
If you read my posts above, you'll see that I acknowledged that space on DVDs may be an issue for games like GTA with huge open ended worlds as multiple discs isn't an option.
I just said it's not enough to make the PS3's BRs a selling point to me since I hate those kinds of games. But it is a fair point for those who like such games.
If you read my posts above, you'll see that I acknowledged that space on DVDs may be an issue for games like GTA with huge open ended worlds as multiple discs isn't an option.
I just said it's not enough to make the PS3's BRs a selling point to me since I hate those kinds of games. But it is a fair point for those who like such games.
Actually, you'll see later story based games being limited in this way too, since heavy story driven games with a wide variety of locales, dialog, digital actors, etc... tend to take up a lot of space. Especially so when you get into the more complex data like full facial rigs, animated textures, and whatnot.
[quote name='Vanigan']Actually, you'll see later story based games being limited in this way too, since heavy story driven games with a wide variety of locales, dialog, digital actors, etc... tend to take up a lot of space. Especially so when you get into the more complex data like full facial rigs, animated textures, and whatnot.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, but if it's a linear game with no (or very little) back tracking it doesn't matter as they can just put it on two or three DVDs.
It's only an issue for something like GTA where you have a big world your zig zagging back and forth across as you don't want to change discs everytime you go to a certain area etc.
For RPGs it's not much of an issue (see the PS1 final fantasy games, or the Resident Evil games even) as you just changes once per disc and your done with it.
Yeah, but if it's a linear game with no (or very little) back tracking it doesn't matter as they can just put it on two or three DVDs.
It's only an issue for something like GTA where you have a big world your zig zagging back and forth across as you don't want to change discs everytime you go to a certain area etc.
For RPGs it's not much of an issue (see the PS1 final fantasy games, or the Resident Evil games even) as you just changes once per disc and your done with it.
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New PS3 SKU??
http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/15/ps3-model-cechh01-lands-at-the-fcc
It might be a white 40GB, who knows.
http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/15/ps3-model-cechh01-lands-at-the-fcc
It might be a white 40GB, who knows.
[quote name='dmaul1114']Did they really limit Oblivion? I thought it was more developed for PC and ported to 360, and the PC version was the same?
Again, this issue doesn't matter to me as I don't like open ended games, nor super long games as I just don't have the time or attention span for them.
Though I am curious to try Oblivion at some point on 360 as it's gotten such hype. GTAIV is a no go though as GTA3 still remains my most hated universally praised game.
But I can concede that disc space is an issue for such games.[/QUOTE]
Oblivion is a game I'll never finish.. so they didn't limit it at all. But I'm just theorizing the notion that even more could have been added, on the disc without DLC.
Again, this issue doesn't matter to me as I don't like open ended games, nor super long games as I just don't have the time or attention span for them.
Though I am curious to try Oblivion at some point on 360 as it's gotten such hype. GTAIV is a no go though as GTA3 still remains my most hated universally praised game.
But I can concede that disc space is an issue for such games.[/QUOTE]
Oblivion is a game I'll never finish.. so they didn't limit it at all. But I'm just theorizing the notion that even more could have been added, on the disc without DLC.
[quote name='The Mana Knight']New PS3 SKU??
http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/15/ps3-model-cechh01-lands-at-the-fcc
It might be a white 40GB, who knows.[/QUOTE]
I hope so. I can't imagine how confusing it would be to buy a used on at EB in the future.
http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/15/ps3-model-cechh01-lands-at-the-fcc
It might be a white 40GB, who knows.[/QUOTE]
I hope so. I can't imagine how confusing it would be to buy a used on at EB in the future.
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[quote name='The Mana Knight']New PS3 SKU??
http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/15/ps3-model-cechh01-lands-at-the-fcc
It might be a white 40GB, who knows.[/QUOTE]
This is too funny. even if it is just a white 40gb system, that's the kind of option you'd want to have when launching the other white model, so people have a choice and don't feel screwed over a few weeks later.
http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/15/ps3-model-cechh01-lands-at-the-fcc
It might be a white 40GB, who knows.[/QUOTE]
This is too funny. even if it is just a white 40gb system, that's the kind of option you'd want to have when launching the other white model, so people have a choice and don't feel screwed over a few weeks later.
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Wasn't the first PS3 sku FCC filing discovered back in July/August? That became the 40gb version to be released this November. This new sku filing in mid-Oct. is probably the 40gb version upgraded with a dual shock 3 rumble controller, which is set to debut here in the states in a couple of months as well. Just wishful thinking...
November 2nd.
http://www.reuters.com/article/technologyNews/idUSN1732325620071018?feedType=RSS&feedName=technologyNews&pageNumber=1
So...the 40GB is $400 and 80GB is $500...how much will the remaining 60GBs sell for?
If it's $400-450, I'll spring for the 60.
http://www.reuters.com/article/technologyNews/idUSN1732325620071018?feedType=RSS&feedName=technologyNews&pageNumber=1
So...the 40GB is $400 and 80GB is $500...how much will the remaining 60GBs sell for?
If it's $400-450, I'll spring for the 60.
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If 80gb is going to be 500 then I'd totally spring for that. The fact that they're taking BC out for the 40 gig scares me. It makes me think that if I don't buy an 80gb PS3 right now, later they will tell me to suck their cock ( buy a PS2 ) for PS2 games on for every SKU. What do you all think about that?
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The 80gb PS3 for $500 sounds ok, maybe they'll be a deal available for the remaining 60gb's or I might be able to pick up the 80gb + Motorstorm pack for $500.
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[quote name='Punk_Raven']If 80gb is going to be 500 then I'd totally spring for that. The fact that they're taking BC out for the 40 gig scares me. It makes me think that if I don't buy an 80gb PS3 right now, later they will tell me to suck their cock ( buy a PS2 ) for PS2 games on for every SKU. What do you all think about that?[/QUOTE]
You want the 60 gig. The 60 gig is the best version of the system to have.
You want the 60 gig. The 60 gig is the best version of the system to have.
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I still see them all the time. They have not disappeared yet. I know I saw some monday at the Target I go to.
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[quote name='CaseyRyback']You want the 60 gig. The 60 gig is the best version of the system to have.[/quote]
But by the time I have enough money to get it, 60 gigs will be unaccesable and hard to find.
But by the time I have enough money to get it, 60 gigs will be unaccesable and hard to find.
The Mana Knight
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$400 puts PS3 back in the running for me.
I'm going to continue waiting it out until I see who has the better games (IE Son¥ or Micro$oft)
I'm going to continue waiting it out until I see who has the better games (IE Son¥ or Micro$oft)
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[quote name='GizmoGC']Congrats Sony, you just secured yourself a spot at the bottom for this generation.
$400 40GB PS3 with no BC
Dropping the price $100 of a model that JUST CAME OUT 2 months ago?
Kudos, Sony, Kudos.[/QUOTE]
Ummm, a LOT of people have expressed interest in this now, so Ithink they may actually MOVE some more consoles.
I have a guy at work that just wants one for Blu-Ray and Upconverting DVD.
$400 40GB PS3 with no BC
Dropping the price $100 of a model that JUST CAME OUT 2 months ago?
Kudos, Sony, Kudos.[/QUOTE]
Ummm, a LOT of people have expressed interest in this now, so Ithink they may actually MOVE some more consoles.
I have a guy at work that just wants one for Blu-Ray and Upconverting DVD.
bread's done