911 and world trade center 7: the best magic trick/con ever?

So explain wtc7 o Enlightened one... their seems to be a lack of counter argument in that location. Explain the kink. What could cause a building to produce a demo kink or fault?

Bizarre structural integrity and leaking gas is silly. Gas fires burn up buildings all the time, but they burn the building to the core and even then the steel frame stands, they don’t just sink under the earth.
 
So if the WTC was demo'ed, when were the explosives set? After the planes crashed or was the gov't in cahoots with the hijackers and pre set the explosives on the correct floors before hand? If the latter, then wow, those few months in flight school really paid off seeing that they were able to hit in the right places at 500 miles per hour in a flying bus. Skillz.

I know a guy who was escaped from the 89th floor of tower 1, he never mentioned to me any black ops dudes planting explosives around his office, before or after the crash.

Was WTC7 demo'ed? Maybe. And if so I'd guess that was a on the spot decision, made because they feared the building was going to come down anyway, might as well get it done right then and there instead of waiting for it to come crashing down while they're working.

A 757 hit the pentagon. There is plenty of photographic proof. There is wreckage, security cams, etc. There is most likely a lot more evidence, but it's the pentagon, they're not releasing it. Do 20 minutes of searching online and you'll find all you need to debunk yourself.

Your argument is similar to the arguments against evolution, just because every single nitpicky little detail isn't triple checked and investigated to outlandish proportions, you disregard the entirety of the rest of the proof.

It's virtually impossible that 9/11 was pre-planned by the gov't, you give far, far, far, far, far too much credit to this administration that no one supports anymore, someone would have leaked it, there'd be a paper trail, a memo, a recording, a video, something. Did they take advantage of the situation after the fact, sure. But that doesn't mean they had a hand in it. They would have gone into Iraq regardless, 9/11 just made it easier.

If you still don't believe the mountain of evidence proving Towers 1 & 2 collapsed as a result of being hit by commercial airliners flown by islamic radicals, then, I'm sorry, you're a lost cause. Please stop blaming the Bush administration, you give the rest of us a bad name.
 
while most of your post was well thought out and had good points, it could do without the snark, k?

You say mountains of evidence, but if you look across the river, their is another pile as wide and as tall. Look for yourself. Both sides have evidence. Your a foolhardy to think only the official story IS the story.

As for wtc7, you are covering for something you know nothing about. Why would the administration say it was takeout by a gass leak when they demoed it. This is still a much avoided issue because it is suspicious and it will the be the scab that never heals becuse one lie leads to another, how far that lie goes, I can not be sure, but i do know that when the government lies about why a building falls down, one most ask questions.

Why lie about reasons for demoeing the building? I think it is anyone who can not see that something odd happened at 911 is the one who is a lost cause.


I am glad your friend made it out of wtc, must be one lucky sun of a bitch. ask him if he heard the secondary explosions, I know alot of the fire fighters talked about it (I listened to the tapes), That could just be cracking metal, or depressurized something or another, but it could be something else. If bombs were planted, they were already in the buildings, Its absurd to think that they were planted after the planes hit, but the FBI memo was a few weeks old or at the very least a week old. Be sure that this was pearl harbor all over again. at the very least this was aloud to happen.

But hell lets go crazy, because we all know wako for having a different idea about things then the main stream.

Let’s assume that the bombs were planted after the planes hit, At what point could this have been done? I would think when people were told to go back into the building. You would have a whole mess of people with mass confusion, that would be the perfect time if you ask me.

But why were the people recalled back into the buildings? Who made that call? was it group think?

But on I final note, I don’t appreciate being judge on my other ideas or values based off others that you most likely didn’t fully read. Yup you guessed it, the evolution crack. I will let you know that I do believe in evolution. Why? Because the evidenced is one sided. Most if not all point to it existing. If it makes you feel better you can think that I am simply picking out inconsistencies in wtc+7, but no one has made a competent rebuttal if any. So I ask of you, how come you could not rebuttal wtc7? You admit that it’s a demo job, but then that’s were your eyes cloud over.

Simply it is a large hole in the truth that has yet to be answered by the government, or anyone in power for that matter. Once the truth of wtc7 is laid bare, the rest will fall into place. But for now I can only ask questions, until I find the truth
 
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Let’s assume that the bombs were planted after the planes hit, At what point could this have been done? I would think when people were told to go back into the building. You would have a whole mess of people with mass confusion, that would be the perfect time if you ask me.
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If there were explosives, they could have been placed a couple days before 9/11. I read something a while back about a complete power-down of both buildings, though I could only find this interesting link addressing building 2:

http://killtown.blogspot.com/2005/12/scott-forbes-interview.html
 
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And that's all I have to say to that.
 
[quote name='White-Wolf']while most of your post was well thought out and had good points, it could do without the snark, k?[/quote]

Hey, that's how I roll.

You say mountains of evidence, but if you look across the river, their is another pile as wide and as tall. Look for yourself. Both sides have evidence. Your a foolhardy to think only the official story IS the story.

Why am I a fool? There's been many investigations as to what happened that day, to the most minute detail, by both layman and experts, they all lead to the same conclusions that are in line (mostly) with the official story. To claim that they've all been faked to keep some secret plot orchestrated by the Bush administration is bizarre if not because of the, yes, mountain of evidence, but simply because of the aforementioned ineptitude of the principal players. Wolfowitz, Pearl, Rummy, Cheney. These are the 'brains' you're putting this on. They're just not that clever.

As for wtc7, you are covering for something you know nothing about. Why would the administration say it was takeout by a gass leak when they demoed it. This is still a much avoided issue because it is suspicious and it will the be the scab that never heals becuse one lie leads to another, how far that lie goes, I can not be sure, but i do know that when the government lies about why a building falls down, one most ask questions.

Why lie about reasons for demoeing the building? I think it is anyone who can not see that something odd happened at 911 is the one who is a lost cause.

Insurance.

Insurance wouldn't cover the intentional demolition of the building, but if it were rolled into the whole attack, then it would be. Billions of dollars of insurance. If there were anything to the conspiracy theories, trust me, the insurance companies would be screaming it.

I am glad your friend made it out of wtc, must be one lucky sun of a bitch. ask him if he heard the secondary explosions, I know alot of the fire fighters talked about it (I listened to the tapes), That could just be cracking metal, or depressurized something or another, but it could be something else.

I have, and he didn't.

If bombs were planted, they were already in the buildings,

So these guys who hijacked the planes and had limited at best flight training were able to crash these 500 mph screaming buses into the exact floors where the bombs were hidden. That'd be pretty amazing for a building it was pretty hard to see the individual floors from the outside of during the day.

Its absurd to think that they were planted after the planes hit, but the FBI memo was a few weeks old or at the very least a week old. Be sure that this was pearl harbor all over again. at the very least this was aloud to happen.

Now 'letting it happen' has some limited credibility. It's what Al Franken calls 'Operation Ignore'. It relies mostly on the administrations seemingly complete ignorance and disregard for the entire topic of terrorism even though the previous administration warned them repeatedly. A case can be made for that, but one could blame that on the Bush administrations arrogance and hatred of the Clinton administration. So it's possible, but improbable, and wholly different then active participation.

Let’s assume that the bombs were planted after the planes hit, At what point could this have been done? I would think when people were told to go back into the building. You would have a whole mess of people with mass confusion, that would be the perfect time if you ask me.

So, if the second plane hit at 9:02, and the south tower collapsed at 9:59, that means that after the planes hit, CIA/NSA/BLACK OPS/WHOEVER had fifty seven minutes to get in with several tons of explosives, run up 64 flights, plant them, and get out with no one noticing them. Yeah, that happened.

But why were the people recalled back into the buildings? Who made that call? was it group think?

A huge fvck up on someones part. With all the confusion that day, to think that there was a team in place to potentially kill upwards of 25k people for the sole reason of making an excuse to invade Iraq so a few defense companies can make some money is absurd. Who would you get to do this? And would they just sit around high in pills waiting 24 hours a day for some possible attack?

But on I final note, I don’t appreciate being judge on my other ideas or values based off others that you most likely didn’t fully read. Yup you guessed it, the evolution crack. I will let you know that I do believe in evolution. Why? Because the evidenced is one sided. Most if not all point to it existing. If it makes you feel better you can think that I am simply picking out inconsistencies in wtc+7, but no one has made a competent rebuttal if any. So I ask of you, how come you could not rebuttal wtc7? You admit that it’s a demo job, but then that’s were your eyes cloud over.

I admit that it's a possible that WTC7 was 'pulled'. I could envision a situation where someone had to make the decision of either dropping it in a semi-controlled or at least expected manner rather then waiting around doing nothing waiting for it to collapse on it's own. Either way, I could live with that.

Simply it is a large hole in the truth that has yet to be answered by the government, or anyone in power for that matter. Once the truth of wtc7 is laid bare, the rest will fall into place. But for now I can only ask questions, until I find the truth

Back to my evolution analogy, Intelligent Design fills in the blanks in the theory of evolution with magic god beans, saying that because evolution doesn't have every single answer then the entire idea is flawed. You're doing the same thing, because the official explanation doesn't answer every single facet of the event, you're filling in the blanks with magic conspiracy beans. It's fine to say you don't know what happened and that you have more questions, but to let those questions be answered with paranoia is a disservice to the truth you seek.
 
Watergate. If a bunch of assholes couldn't cover their tracks breaking into an office building, how in the hell would they think they were going to cover their track by killing THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE ON LIVE TV?
 
some good points, Cheese

mostly i dont think that they bombed the towers after the planes hit, like i said it was a silly, but could have happend in terms of people not seeing it happen, i dident try to justify any onther points though, like the time it would take. No more then likely if they were bombed, they were done before the planes hit. The first building to fall seemsed like it fell genuinly, but the second seems a bit odd along with wtc7.


kendal

They almost got away with watergate, while the people breaking in got caught, it was played off as something else. It wasent untill two reparters from the washington post started asking questions and risked thier job and the reputation of the company, that the ball starting rolling. I think all 911 needs is a few deepthroats and then we can finaly rebuild.
 
I believe conspiracy theories are things the mind contructs when it simply cannot deal with the totality of the facts presented. The fact is that it would a lot easier for a conspiracy theory to thrive if there was less information about the towers. All we have to do is look at the Pentagon crash and the wild theories that a missile hit and the Pennsylvania crash that was rumored shot down. Those thrived because there was significantly less eye (and ear) witness accounts. There have been people that say that the fact there were so many cameras when the towers hit is a conspiracy in and of itself. There comes a point where logic must be the driving force in understanding what is presented to you and you must accept what is seen at face value instead of interpreting it.
 
But if we look at everything at face value, we may never see the man behind the curten. We must also accept that every magic show is real for what we see simply "is" and is not subjective. So I guess David Copperfield really did make the statue of liberty disappear? Not much is known about wtc7, but I do know that statements given are not the truth, and I can only go from their.

I don’t think the world has absolute truth we can understand, while I think only 1 set of events did occur, I think full understanding of what did occur is subjective. We all look at absolute truth through the lenses of subjectivity.

It goes back to Watergate. Had deep throat not talked to the reporters, I would be a conspiracy nut for believing it happened. The truth lay hidden until people came forward, and it avalanched.

It could have gone the other way.

Evidence exits on both sides to support and disprove.
 
[quote name='White-Wolf']But if we look at everything at face value, we may never see the man behind the curten. We must also accept that every magic show is real for what we see simply "is" and is not subjective. So I guess David Copperfield really did make the statue of liberty disappear? Not much is known about wtc7, but I do know that statements given are not the truth, and I can only go from their.

I don’t think the world has absolute truth we can understand, while I think only 1 set of events did occur, I think full understanding of what did occur is subjective. We all look at absolute truth through the lenses of subjectivity.

It goes back to Watergate. Had deep throat not talked to the reporters, I would be a conspiracy nut for believing it happened. The truth lay hidden until people came forward, and it avalanched.

It could have gone the other way.

Evidence exits on both sides to support and disprove.[/QUOTE]


As Americans we have the ability to believe anything we see on TV. I know our government is pure evil. Churchill knew it and I know it. We just care about sex and booze.
 
[quote name='the3rdkey']As Americans we have the ability to believe anything we see on TV. I know our government is pure evil. Churchill knew it and I know it. We just care about sex and booze.[/QUOTE]

And wearing funny hats while we play video games.
 
[quote name='RedvsBlue']And wearing funny hats while we play video games.[/quote]

Damn. Too late. D:
 
Hey there Wolf I appreciate you're trying to get across some points, sometimes not grammatically sound or perhaps coherantly so let me take a crack at explaining some things for you. I will say these things are related and unrelated as well.
First the Conspiracy Theory. Ninety percent of the Conspiracy Theories or more you see floating around as bullshit and the quacks who spout them are liars who do it deliberately. Why you ask? Batshit by association, the media depends on this so any reasonable Theory that you might think about logically for a second and realize it has some ground, well you don't get it any mind, you dismiss it because of what I've noted above. Some of those same termites may get in and throw out some bogus info for the legit Conspiracy Theory as well. Secondly people are conditioned to expect mundanity and incompetance, even from our highest levels, so that when something extraordinary happens like this, regardless of info otherwise that may be highly credible people CHOOSE to ignore it because it's too much of a shock to their system. People don't WANT to believe something so horrible happened but guess what? I don't trust my government and I CERTAINLY don't trust Big Business.
You have one reponsible for Bhopal and more, perhaps GMO's are deliberate poisons to get us sick and THEN they treat us with Pharmaceutical drugs and the other does things like MK-ULTRA and others behind our backs.
And before most people write saying I'm full of shit just remember there is more beyond that veil you choose to stay woefully ignorant of or not think about like Ghosts that walk among us.
 
I think I can agree with a lot of what you said. I find it kind of odd that it would be a demolition company that took away the rubble of the wtc after if fell. Maybe a coincidence as they would be experienced with fallen buildings, or maybe its something awful...
 
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