All of these awesome Wii games are starting to piss me off

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The upcoming Wii lineup looks like it's going to be great but I can't help but think how much more fun it would be to play these games if the Wii had the power of the Xbox 360 or PS3. Twilight Princess, Mario Galaxy and Metroid Prime 3 would be especially amazing with graphics on par with Gears of War or something. Imagine the RE4 re-release with completely overhauled graphics... :drool:

I'm definitely going to buy Mario Galaxy and Metroid Prime 3 (and I'm probably going to love them) but I'd gladly fork over an extra $150 to $200 over the life of the system for the graphical upgrades to everything.
 
The wallet is gonna scream fo sho'.
I made a reply to the 360 AAA titles post. It's almost as bad as the Wii with Soul Calibur Legends, RE, Mario Galaxys, Metroid Prime and Smash Brothers + more. A good $300+ to spend on Wii titles alone.
 
Uhhh...okay. Well, if it bothers you that much now, you might as well get rid of the thing, because by 2010, the gap between Wii and 360/PS3 games will probably be about twice as big.
 
[quote name='CoffeeEdge']Uhhh...okay. Well, if it bothers you that much now, you might as well get rid of the thing, because by 2010, the gap between Wii and 360/PS3 games will probably be about twice as big.[/quote]

I know... but it doesn't mean I don't want to play it or anything - it just means I can't help always thinking what could have been...
 
I'd like to take this conversation a different direction. The supposed reason for making the Wii basically last generation hardware was so that it would be easier to develop for. Graphics take up a huge portion of development time, lower end means easier to make games.

And yet...there are basically only 3 games out for the Wii that I want and aside from Nintendo's first release of their franchises coming out this year, I still see nothing else on the horizon from anybody else.
 
In my perspectice, I think graphics have advanced as far as they need to to deliver an amazing visual experience. Metroid Prime for example, looks awesome, as does Twilight Princess.

With that in mind, what does advancing the graphics do anymore aside from increasing the cost of the game? Would Gears be any less enjoyable if it had the graphics of TP?

So here's my point: Nintendo realized this and decided to improve in a different direction, whereas Sony and Microsoft took the traditional route. Because of this, we have a massive difference in console and game costs.

So, was it worth it for either side? Depends on what type of games you like to play. If you believe sacificing gameplay for graphics and cost is the way to go, then the PS3/360 is your weapon of choice, otherwise the Wii is meeting your desire to truly feel "immersed" in a game.

Now, don't get me wrong, I still enjoy my 360, in fact, I love playing it (gets about 4-5 hours of loving a day), and while the graphics are ASTOUNDING, I can't help but think that the risen costs do not justify the graphical increase, at least to the younger generation of gamers (aka. our roots).

I of course justify my purchase by getting all my games Cheap Ass. :lol:

~HotShotX
 
[quote name='javeryh']I know... but it doesn't mean I don't want to play it or anything - it just means I can't help always thinking what could have been...[/QUOTE]

What could have been? You mean Nintendo in last place again, basically on life support with no 3rd party support while we wait an extra year or two for our games? fuck that.
 
[quote name='SMMM']What could have been? You mean Nintendo in last place again, basically on life support with no 3rd party support while we wait an extra year or two for our games? fuck that.[/quote]QFT.
 
It'd be the same, just prettier. So you'd be paying more for the hardware, more for the game, there'd probably be longer development time, the wii remote might not have even been developed, and Nintendo would once again be in last place.

How about a metaphor?

Say you can either have a wife that's laid back and reasonable and looks not too bad, not too good, but average, or a wife that's really hot, but is a high maintenance bitch. Say they have the same sexual prowess. At first you might think it's worth it for the hot chick, but if you picked the hot chick over the average one, in the end, when your wad is spent and you're broke because of that hot bitch you'd regret it. You could've had just as much fun for less money and worry.

So what's the moral of this story? A hole is a hole man, a hole is a hole.

Just have fun and be glad.
 
Bugs me a bit as well that game like Zelda, Metroid, etc. don't look at good as they would if the Wii had the power of the others.

But gameplay matters over graphics for me, and Nintendo's first party stuff will always reign supreme for me for the most part.

So I'll play Metroid and Mario Galaxy and enjoy the hell out of them, and the same with Brawl if it has online play.

But my wallet will be fine, as that's pretty much it for me. Well it probably wont' be fine as I'll likely pick up a 360 whenever they get around to dropping the price.
 
[quote name='CoffeeEdge']Uhhh...okay. Well, if it bothers you that much now, you might as well get rid of the thing, because by 2010, the gap between Wii and 360/PS3 games will probably be about twice as big.[/QUOTE]

I have serious doubts about the "twice" as much prediction. I'd say more like 1.25/1 instead of 2/1.

But by 2010, we might have a Wii2 that's fully backwards compatible. :)
 
[quote name='CoffeeEdge']Uhhh...okay. Well, if it bothers you that much now, you might as well get rid of the thing, because by 2010, the gap between Wii and 360/PS3 games will probably be about twice as big.[/quote]
With Wii still selling more
 
[quote name='GrimNecroWizard']With Wii still selling more[/QUOTE]
Since when was this a discussion about sales? I never said anything about that.
 
[quote name='SMMM']What could have been? You mean Nintendo in last place again, basically on life support with no 3rd party support while we wait an extra year or two for our games? fuck that.[/quote]

No, I mean what could have been as far as graphics go. There's no denying that Nintendo has made all the right moves so far this generation but I'd still like to see a Metroid Prime game with Gears type graphics. It will probably happen someday, just not now.
 
What pisses me off is that they're way after the TRU sale so I'll have to pay full price for them.:whistle2:(

I mean, I really want Mario Galaxy, Prime 3, and SSBB but it would've been nice saving some money.
 
Someday it'll happen, when next-gen actually becomes cost effective to...anyone, from the hardware maker, to the consumer, to the publisher and developer.

However, at that point you'll be spoiled by Gears 4 on the xbox 3, and man oh man, if only Metroid 4 had more than just Gears graphics.
 
You can't have it all:

Increased graphics = increased development time = fewer awesome Wii games coming out

I am happy with the games and graphics shown thus far anyway. They will get better also as developers figure out more tricks.
 
[quote name='soonersfan60']You can't have it all:

Increased graphics = increased development time = fewer awesome Wii games coming out

I am happy with the games and graphics shown thus far anyway. They will get better also as developers figure out more tricks.[/quote]agreed, i'm content with Wii graphics anyways since i'm not a graphics junkie (don't really know or care about 1080i or p or whatever it is, and yes i have played gears of war in HD) i would much rather have more good wii games with decent graphics than a few photorealistic games and a markup in the MSRP for wii games
 
[quote name='GrimNecroWizard']With Wii still selling more[/QUOTE]I can't help but think this year's 360/PS3 games will start to change that.
 
Metroid Prime 3, Super Mario Galaxy and Super Smash Bros. Brawl are system sellers, but then again, I don't think the Wii has had any trouble selling in the first place.
 
I dunno. Mario Galaxy looks better than anything I've played on the 360 thus far. Probably just an opinion on style, but whatever. :)
 
Nintendo is for kids.

No really, I hate the end of the year. Metroid and Mario plus the other great games on the 360 make me want to rob a bank.
 
While I would have disagreed with javeryh a few months ago, now that I've had a 360 for a while I can see where he is coming from. It isn't that I want photo-realistic graphics, but higher-res would be nice - I mean just for edges if nothing else. The Wii, especially with component cables, is as utterly jaggy looking as the PS2. And it actually DOES detract from the games (A BIT) for me. Now, the videos I've seen of Metroid look amazing, and I'm hoping the art stlye of that game helps hide the jagginess (busier backgrounds and more movement will do that).

It is actually in the simpler games, like Wii Sports and the like that I really notice the jaggies. More powerful hardware wouldn't make games like that take longer to develop - I think that is somewhat of a myth. Yes, developing the art and such for a game like Bioshock or Mass Effect does take longer with the more powerful hardware, but even games like Wii Sports and Big Brain Academy can benefit from HD, even if they are otherwise exactly the same. This can be seen when looking at some of the relatively cheap (to develop) XBLA games.

No, core gameplay is not better in HD, but often I find myself distracted by the jaggies on Wii games, so in some sense it does effect gameplay (and that was before I had my 360). We'll have to see how it goes all the big releases (starting soon here with Strikers). I haven't been playing the Wii much recently due to having the 360, but I will definitely be getting back into it with these upcoming games. I'm hoping the transition will be OK (as I jump back and forth). In any case, Wii 2 better be in HD at least. I'll be fine with the Wii as it is for the next 4-5 years, but after that I think they need to move on (and they should be able to keep the lower pricing but incorporate HD at that point).
 
[quote name='io']Discussion of jaggies[/quote]

I'm curious what type of HDTV you have (LCD, Plasma, DLP, etc) because I really don't see "jaggies" when playing Wii games much at all. I am running the Wii through component cables on an older CRT HDTV set. I wonder if 480p on a tube set just "smooths out" the picture more than the other monitor types.

As far as the next Nintendo console having HD capabilities, Nintendo has said that they know HD penetration will be much higher in the coming years and then it will probably make sense for them to include it.

It doesn't really matter for me as long as the games are compelling. Hell, my most played console is my DS - far from HD or even SD for that matter.
 
[quote name='io']While I would have disagreed with javeryh a few months ago, now that I've had a 360 for a while I can see where he is coming from. It isn't that I want photo-realistic graphics, but higher-res would be nice - I mean just for edges if nothing else. The Wii, especially with component cables, is as utterly jaggy looking as the PS2. And it actually DOES detract from the games (A BIT) for me. Now, the videos I've seen of Metroid look amazing, and I'm hoping the art stlye of that game helps hide the jagginess (busier backgrounds and more movement will do that).

It is actually in the simpler games, like Wii Sports and the like that I really notice the jaggies. More powerful hardware wouldn't make games like that take longer to develop - I think that is somewhat of a myth. Yes, developing the art and such for a game like Bioshock or Mass Effect does take longer with the more powerful hardware, but even games like Wii Sports and Big Brain Academy can benefit from HD, even if they are otherwise exactly the same. This can be seen when looking at some of the relatively cheap (to develop) XBLA games.

No, core gameplay is not better in HD, but often I find myself distracted by the jaggies on Wii games, so in some sense it does effect gameplay (and that was before I had my 360). We'll have to see how it goes all the big releases (starting soon here with Strikers). I haven't been playing the Wii much recently due to having the 360, but I will definitely be getting back into it with these upcoming games. I'm hoping the transition will be OK (as I jump back and forth). In any case, Wii 2 better be in HD at least. I'll be fine with the Wii as it is for the next 4-5 years, but after that I think they need to move on (and they should be able to keep the lower pricing but incorporate HD at that point).[/quote]

Exactly! It's not like games on the Wii look horrible or that I have a problem with the style of the games I just think that they would be so much nicer to play if they were done in a higher resolution. They really look like they are shaping up to be great and I just wish they would take advantage of the latest technology...
 
[quote name='Kendal']Metroid and Mario plus the other great games on the 360 make me want to rob a bank.[/quote]PM me with the details
 
[quote name='lebowsky']I'm curious what type of HDTV you have (LCD, Plasma, DLP, etc) because I really don't see "jaggies" when playing Wii games much at all. I am running the Wii through component cables on an older CRT HDTV set. I wonder if 480p on a tube set just "smooths out" the picture more than the other monitor types.
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I'm playing on a 4 year-old rear-projection HDTV - nothing near state of the art ;). The jaggies are pretty sharp - just as they are on the PS2. For whatever reason, I don't notice them as much on the GC (which I also have hooked up via component) but it almost seems, dare I say, worse on the Wii.

But it definitely got "worse" when I went from composite to component for the Wii. On things like the Mii Channel the composite cables provide a nice fuzziness to the edges of Mii's. In component all I can see is the pixel crawl along their edges as they sway back and forth :cry:. Failing HD it seems they could have invested a bit in anti-aliasing at the least.

But anyway, I'm still looking forward to the Wii games MUCH more than the 360 games this fall. My most anticipated 360 game is Beautiful Katamari and I'm thrilled that is on the 360 instead of PS3 as I may have had to buy a PS3 just for that - now I can wait :lol:. But Metroid is probably the one I'm the most hyped for. How nice is it that it comes out before this Fall even! Whoo-hoo!
 
I have a 50" Sony 3LCD Rear Projection (KDF50-2000E) set. Jaggies are pretty bad and Wiisports, and too a lesser extent Zelda. Not bad at all in Super Paper Mario. That's all I've played since getting the TV. Mine did look better once I switched to component compared to S-video. That was with the 1st part Nintendo cables. I had the Monoprice cables 1st and had a ton of static on the screen (just got a defective cable I guess).

As other's said, it doesn't ruin the games and gameplay is key. But it does detract a little bit.

Gameplay>>>>>Graphics. But in a perfect world you have both great graphics and great gameplay.
 
there was a definite jump in the jaggies factor when I went from composite to component on my LCD TV. It's something that stood out at first, but I've grown to ignore it now.

Higher resolution wouldn't really fix that, but a little bit more anti-aliasing will. I have a feeling as we start seeing made-for-Wii games vs. GC ports we'll start seeing things like that cleaned up.
 
[quote name='javeryh']I know... but it doesn't mean I don't want to play it or anything - it just means I can't help always thinking what could have been...[/quote]Agreed 100%. With you and IO.

A little extra eye-candy never hurt anyone.

Don't worry, we'll see the kind of Zelda we dream about in some years down the line.
 
[quote name='javeryh']No, I mean what could have been as far as graphics go. There's no denying that Nintendo has made all the right moves so far this generation but I'd still like to see a Metroid Prime game with Gears type graphics. It will probably happen someday, just not now.[/QUOTE]

It goes far beyond graphics for me. While the 360's eye candy is nice, it's XBL, XBLA/M, and achievements that are winning the day in my book. Once I started getting into the XBLA content, the VC became a depressing graveyard.

Nintendo has gone in a direction where I don't care to follow.
 
[quote name='Vinny']What pisses me off is that they're way after the TRU sale so I'll have to pay full price for them.:whistle2:(

I mean, I really want Mario Galaxy, Prime 3, and SSBB but it would've been nice saving some money.[/quote]And the reason you can't wait for sales or a price drop is?
 
[quote name='guinaevere']And the reason you can't wait for sales or a price drop is?[/QUOTE]

Nintendo's games take for-frickin'-ever to drop, so it's understandable.

Personally, I don't care enough about saving a bit of money when I really want to play a game.
 
[quote name='Vinny']What pisses me off is that they're way after the TRU sale so I'll have to pay full price for them.:whistle2:(

I mean, I really want Mario Galaxy, Prime 3, and SSBB but it would've been nice saving some money.[/quote]

With the GS Wii 2 for 1 and CC sale I'll be paying about $25 each for mine. Happy times for me and my wallet.
 
I noticed the same thing about jaggies on a hdtv. Turning the sharpness all way down on the tv helped a bit.
 
[quote name='javeryh']Exactly! It's not like games on the Wii look horrible or that I have a problem with the style of the games I just think that they would be so much nicer to play if they were done in a higher resolution. They really look like they are shaping up to be great and I just wish they would take advantage of the latest technology...[/QUOTE]

Honestly, I don't know. I was impressed by the rainy, nighttime chapter in Gears, but that's about it. I mean, I can tell lots of 360/PS3 games are nice looking -- I'm not blind -- but none of them have given me the "Holy crap, I can't believe how good that looks!" moments I've been expecting this generation. I take your point -- I've noticed the Wii holds up a lot better on my stardard def than a HD, and I'd even complain about some things you don't seem to mind, like why more Wii games don't even look comparable to Cube games -- but at the end of the day, I'm just not that impressed with what the extra horsepower is bringing to the table on the other consoles, and I'd rather have my system for cheaper, and my games more easily profitable.
 
My main problem with the Wii is the shoe-horning of motion control into games were it really doesn't belong.

Nintendo get away with it in games like Zelda and Super Paper Mario, the motion control is added fairly sparingly and works well were they've done it.

Where it fails miserably is on games like Sonic, Call of Duty etc. I can't help feel that in time this will hurt Nintendo, as lack of decent third party games seemed to be a big factor in the demise of the N64 and GC.

I just hope developers start to realise they don't have to use the motion control for every game.
 
[quote name='benjamouth']My main problem with the Wii is the shoe-horning of motion control into games were it really doesn't belong.

Nintendo get away with it in games like Zelda and Super Paper Mario, the motion control is added fairly sparingly and works well were they've done it.

Where it fails miserably is on games like Sonic, Call of Duty etc. I can't help feel that in time this will hurt Nintendo, as lack of decent third party games seemed to be a big factor in the demise of the N64 and GC.

I just hope developers start to realise they don't have to use the motion control for every game.[/quote]

The only kinds of games I can see that with is with RPG games. The motion control is the selling point of the Wii, why get it if the good games don't have waggle?
 
[quote name='SpazX']How about a metaphor?

Say you can either have a wife that's laid back and reasonable and looks not too bad, not too good, but average, or a wife that's really hot, but is a high maintenance bitch. Say they have the same sexual prowess. At first you might think it's worth it for the hot chick, but if you picked the hot chick over the average one, in the end, when your wad is spent and you're broke because of that hot bitch you'd regret it. You could've had just as much fun for less money and worry.

So what's the moral of this story? A hole is a hole man, a hole is a hole.

Just have fun and be glad.[/quote]

Surely you'll want to clip and save this for your wedding vows, my friend.
 
[quote name='AmigoOne']The only kinds of games I can see that with is with RPG games. The motion control is the selling point of the Wii, why get it if the good games don't have waggle?[/QUOTE]

Many of the best DS games make little use of the touch screen. Does that mean it's pointless?

No. It means you have great traditional games which don't use it, and great new games that do.

The same can be true on the Wii. With the DS we saw shit games with forced touch controls like Yoshi Touch and Go early on, and then after a year or so we started seeing the touch controls only used where they made sense.
 
See, but the problem is, DS dominates the handheld market with little competition.

Well, in truth, I'm talking out of my league, but my point still stands in my head.
 
[quote name='AmigoOne']See, but the problem is, DS dominates the handheld market with little competition.

Well, in truth, I'm talking out of my league, but my point still stands in my head.[/QUOTE]

To each their own. I see a place for motion centered games like Wiisports, games that make subtler use of motion controls like Mario Galaxy and even zelda, and games that don't use them at all like Smash Bros.

Maybe it's just wishful thinking on my part as I haven't ended up liking motion controls anywhere as near as much as I thought I would before the Wii launch.

Similarly, I don't like touch screen controls much aside from in games like Brain Age and Club House games, and the DS games I've enjoyed most have been stuff like New Super Mario Bros, the Castlevanias, etc. which use it very little. I guess it would be fair to say the only reason I like the DS is it's the only place to get 2D games these days.

I'm just set in traditional controls and prefer them in most cases I guess.
 
[quote name='SpazX']It'd be the same, just prettier. So you'd be paying more for the hardware, more for the game, there'd probably be longer development time, the wii remote might not have even been developed, and Nintendo would once again be in last place.

How about a metaphor?

Say you can either have a wife that's laid back and reasonable and looks not too bad, not too good, but average, or a wife that's really hot, but is a high maintenance bitch. Say they have the same sexual prowess. At first you might think it's worth it for the hot chick, but if you picked the hot chick over the average one, in the end, when your wad is spent and you're broke because of that hot bitch you'd regret it. You could've had just as much fun for less money and worry.

So what's the moral of this story? A hole is a hole man, a hole is a hole.

Just have fun and be glad.[/quote]

A hole is a hole, just have fun? wtf? a hot chick is a hot chick, average chick is a average chick, totally different category... The Wii is the Wii, PS3 is the PS3, X360 is the X360, so using the metaphor, a game is a game, no big deal then... Unlike relationships, you can buy more than one console and not getting into exclusivenss troubles. If you can't afford more than one console then pick the one most suit you at the moment. Of course, the decision will not be prefect, i.e. like the OP, he ponders what if the Wii's graphic is better?
 
[quote name='Serpentor']A hole is a hole, just have fun? wtf? a hot chick is a hot chick, average chick is a average chick, totally different category... The Wii is the Wii, PS3 is the PS3, X360 is the X360, so using the metaphor, a game is a game, no big deal then... Unlike relationships, you can buy more than one console and not getting into exclusivenss troubles. If you can't afford more than one console then pick the one most suit you at the moment. Of course, the decision will not be prefect, i.e. like the OP, he ponders what if the Wii's graphic is better?[/QUOTE]

Either way, wouldn't the Wii be some crazy dominatrix bitch? Who wants that? (Don't answer.)
 
Since the cost to develop a game is less than what it is for the PS3 and 360, it bothers me that there is only a $10 price difference between Wii and PS3/360 new releases. A $40 price point for games would be much better. First party PS2 games were sold for $40, so I don't think it would be a big deal.
 
[quote name='Serpentor']A hole is a hole, just have fun? wtf? a hot chick is a hot chick, average chick is a average chick, totally different category... The Wii is the Wii, PS3 is the PS3, X360 is the X360, so using the metaphor, a game is a game, no big deal then... Unlike relationships, you can buy more than one console and not getting into exclusivenss troubles. If you can't afford more than one console then pick the one most suit you at the moment. Of course, the decision will not be prefect, i.e. like the OP, he ponders what if the Wii's graphic is better?[/quote]

That wasn't his dilemma. Obviously you can buy both, he was playing "what if" with Wii graphics. The metaphor was for graphics, not games, storylines, controllers, food, horses, dynamite, trees, urinals, or whatever else you can think up.

My metaphor was more than apt. I believe it was the greatest metaphor in the history of metaphors and could only be fully appreciated if spoken by a great statesman from the days of yore.
 
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