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http://starwars.com/themovies/saga/preorder_bluray/index.html

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Pre-order Star Wars: The Complete Saga on Blu-ray Now!

January 6, 2011

The most anticipated Blu-ray release ever -- the Star Wars Saga -- emerges from light speed this September 2011. For the first time, all six of George Lucas' epic films (Episodes I-VI) are united in one complete set. Fans worldwide are able to pre-order now with online retailers.

Twentieth Century Fox Home Entertainment will release Star Wars in three distinct sets to meet the needs of every Star Wars fan:

* Star Wars: The Complete Saga on Blu-ray (9-disc Set includes all six films)
* Star Wars: Prequel Blu-ray Trilogy (3-disc set includes Episodes I-III)
* Star Wars: Original Blu-ray Trilogy (3-disc set includes Episodes IV-VI)

Star Wars: The Complete Saga on Blu-ray will feature all six live-action Star Wars feature films utilizing the highest possible picture and audio presentation, along with three additional discs and more than 30 hours of extensive special features including never-before-seen deleted and alternate scenes, an exploration of the exclusive Star Wars archives, and much more.

Star Wars: The Complete Saga on Blu-ray will be available for $139.99 US/$179.99 CAN and the Star Wars: Trilogy Sets for $69.99 US/89.99 CAN. Pricing for each set will vary by international territory.

Flanked by a legion of his finest Imperial stormtroopers, Darth Vader himself joined Twentieth Century Fox Home Entertainment President Mike Dunn at the Consumer Electronics Show (CES) to announce the release, vowing "The forces of the Empire will be at your disposal to assure the success of this endeavor."

"The Star Wars Saga is the most anticipated Blu-ray collection since the launch of the high-def format," Dunn said. "The epic franchise pioneered sound and visual presentation in theaters and is perfectly suited to do it again in the home, with a viewing experience only possible with Blu-ray."

"With all six episodes available for the first time in one collection, this is a great way for families and home audiences to experience the complete Saga from start to finish," said Doug Yates, Vice President of Marketing, Online, Distribution, Lucasfilm Ltd. "And with the quality of high-definition, Blu-ray provides the most immersive home experience possible."

"The Star Wars franchise has been the most anticipated Blu-ray release by Amazon's customers," said Bill Carr, Vice President of Music and Video at Amazon.com. "We think that Star Wars will be incredibly popular with our customers, and we expect pre-orders to be very strong."[/quote]
Amazon links:
Prequel Trilogy (@ $44.99, $69.99 MSRP): http://www.amazon.com/Star-Wars-Prequel-Trilogy-Episodes/dp/B000PMG16U/
Original Trilogy (@ $44.99, $69.99 MSRP): http://www.amazon.com/Star-Wars-Original-Trilogy-Episodes/dp/B000PMLFRA/
Complete Saga (@ $89.99, $139.99 MSRP): http://www.amazon.com/Star-Wars-Complete-Episodes-Blu-ray/dp/B003ZSJ212/

BN.com has the set cheaper, as long as you pay with a VISA card:
[quote name='phantomfriar2002']BN.com has the set for $71 plus tax thanks to a 20% off one-item code for Visa cardholders (R7V9J9N).

If you get cashback from various sites, you can save another $3, so the total was $73 for me shipped after tax. That's a nice savings over the Amazon deal.

I highly doubt you'll be seeing this set lower even on Black Friday. :)[/QUOTE]

Coupon listed above expires on 02/07/11. Problem is, it may not work:

[quote name='arcane93']Just looked at the "eligibility requirements" for the coupon:

This coupon is (i) not redeemable for cash or cash equivalents (including Gift Cards and online Gift Certificates); (ii) not valid on past purchases; (iii) not eligible for purchases of the following products and services: Barnes & Noble Memberships, Gift Cards, Gift Certificates, gift-wrapping, textbooks, video games, digital content (including but not limited to digital books, magazines, and periodicals), NOOK(TM) and related accessories, other hardware and electronics, software, products available for pre-order, products from the Rosetta Stone Series, products available for in-store ship-to-home orders, shipping or handling expenses, or products marked as not eligible for "coupons or promotional discounts;" (iv) not valid on purchases made from third parties accessible from the BN.COM website (e.g., used books, PC and video games, etc.); (v) may not be combined with any other coupon; and (vi) may not be combined with the Educator program discount. This coupon is not valid at Barnes & Noble College Bookstores. Void where prohibited by law.
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So that would probably be why the pre-orders are being cancelled. Pretty lame of them to just do it without an explanation, though.[/QUOTE]

01/13/11 EDIT: BN.com has been canceling orders left and right without any explanation to why if ordered with the coupon code.

BN.com order links:
Complete Series @ $89.59: http://video.barnesandnoble.com/DVD/Star-Wars-The-Complete-Saga/Mark-Hamill/e/24543742180/
Original Saga @ $44.79: http://video.barnesandnoble.com/DVD/Star-Wars-Original-Trilogy/Mark-Hamill/e/24543742074/
Prequel Trilogy @ $44.79: http://video.barnesandnoble.com/DVD/Star-Wars-Prequel-Trilogy/Ewan-McGregor/e/24543742098/
 
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[quote name='BustaUppa']It will gradually be revealed that Anakin is somehow the father of every major character in Star Wars.[/QUOTE]

Yes. It's because of the midichlorians.
 
I'm always amazed at how heated debates get over this stuff. Other than Greedo shooting first, I don't really mind any of the changes--and even that one (while lame) doesn't come near ruining the movie for me since it was always a minor scene to me anyway.

Anyhow, preordered the complete saga at Amazon, can't wait to watch in HD.
 
[quote name='dmaul1114']I'm always amazed at how heated debates get over this stuff. Other than Greedo shooting first, I don't really mind any of the changes--and even that one (while lame) doesn't come near ruining the movie for me since it was always a minor scene to me anyway.

Anyhow, preordered the complete saga at Amazon, can't wait to watch in HD.[/QUOTE]

I agree other than the fact that it was minor. That one change was (and still is) and pretty big deal to me and I think it does a complete disservice to the Han Solo character. That said, I agree that the rest is just nitpicking. I also liked the new trilogy - not nearly as much as the original - but much better than other crap trying to pass for sci-fi these days *coughavatarcough*
 
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Actually, yeah, he had. Probably not every little detail, but he definitely had a plan -- Episode IV has always been Episode IV, that tag wasn't added later[/QUOTE]
Sure about that? I thought it was released simply as "Star Wars" and the episode IV and New Hope subtitles were added on the early 80s re-release.
 
[quote name='guardian_owl']Sure about that? I thought it was released simply as "Star Wars" and the episode IV and New Hope subtitles were added on the early 80s re-release.[/QUOTE]

Oh, just looked it up, and yeah, it was added in 1981. That would have been about the time I first saw it (I would have been three years old when it was released in 1977), so it has always been there for me. Still, my overall point was that yes, he had been planning for the prequel back when he was working on the original trilogy, it didn't come out of nowhere later. Even if he didn't work out that it was going to be another trilogy until he was working on Empire or whatever, the basic plan was still there.

When it comes down to it, when he was making the original movie, he probably didn't know for certain that he was even going to get to make one additional movie, let alone six movies and a ton of spin-offs. Doesn't mean he didn't have a bigger plan in mind.
 
[quote name='arcane93']Yeah, that's pretty much my feeling on it. I'm not thrilled with all of the edits, but at the same time . . . it's Star Wars. In HD. You know what? I know what the story should be, and I can fill in the gaps as necessary. But everything else, I'll be able to watch in HD. Yup. If I thought there was a chance in hell of the theatrical versions coming out, I'd wait (like I'm holding out for the extended LotR blu-rays), but since it's hard to tell when or even if it's going to happen, I'll take what I can get. Honestly, I'm betting that by the time it comes out, a good number of those people who are saying they won't buy it now will feel the same way.

Beyond that, eh . . . I don't like the direction they took the overall series in, and I'll never like Episode I because Jar Jar was just too annoying, but (and I'm sure I'll get attacked by a nerd-raging fanboy for this, but oh well) . . . viewed completely independently, as their own set of films without relation to the original trilogy, the prequel trilogy really isn't that bad. If I try to view them as a continuous story with the original trilogy, I just get mad, but if I treat them as their own separate entity, I can actually enjoy them. (Or maybe I'm just trying really, really hard to justify buying the complete set to get those three discs of special features . . . )



Um . . . you should probably read that wiki again . . . or maybe look to sources other than a wiki for your information.



Actually, yeah, he had. Probably not every little detail, but he definitely had a plan -- Episode IV has always been Episode IV, that tag wasn't added later. In fact, he had originally planned it as nine movies -- there were supposed to be three after Return of the Jedi as well (funny, he denies it now, but I specifically remember hearing about that plan all the way back in the early 80s). He scrapped those plans when it took him so long to get around to making Episodes I-III.

The question, of course, is how much his ideas for Episodes I-III changed from the time that he was planning them in the late 70s until he actually started making them in the late 90s. Only he really knows that, probably.[/QUOTE]

I was looking at the pics they had and read the caption wrong. One was with it stretched to fill up the screen and the other was with out it stretched and had the letter box on it.

As for episodes VIII to IX I read along time ago about that and they were to take place during the corellian story. Also it was not to be Lucas doing it but his apprentice that was to do them and at the time the live action tv show. Some place I had also read that it was him having kids that is why he wanted to make some of the changes he did. So that could be why episode one, two and three were the way the were. This was all in some magazinee that came out when the DVD set first came out.
 
I've been wondering what they were going to do to hook old school fans into buying the whole set, and the 3 extra discs sounds like a pretty good play - it worked on me.
 
The more I read of the posts on here the more I think I should cancle my preorder. I really want the original movies and not the specials. Might just cancle it and pick this up on black friday or hold out for it to get cheaper. Will keep it till I know more of what it comes with. That way if I do still want it I get it for the price it is now or less and not more.
 
I like the new SW movies better, Jedi fights, Droids, creatures, costumes, etc... Everything look cooler. Anyway, I don't know what's the fuss this thread is about. However, I learned a thing or two about Star Wars :lol: (the old ones).

I'll wait for the 3D versions, it's not like I want to watch all of them again.
 
[quote name='dmaul1114']I'm always amazed at how heated debates get over this stuff. Other than Greedo shooting first, I don't really mind any of the changes--and even that one (while lame) doesn't come near ruining the movie for me since it was always a minor scene to me anyway.

Anyhow, preordered the complete saga at Amazon, can't wait to watch in HD.[/QUOTE]

Amen. Everytime I hear the outrage, it really makes me scratch my head. I saw the original in theaters so my love affair goes way back, but the changes aren't that serious. Honestly, the some of the special effects really don't look that good in the original.

As far as Han shooting first, I can understand the change. Shooting First = Murderer. Shooting Second = Gunslinger. I think shooting first was more impactful and made Han a cooler character, but I agree it is fairly minor in the grand scheme.
 
[quote name='Stryffe2004']As far as Han shooting first, I can understand the change. Shooting First = Murderer. Shooting Second = Gunslinger. I think shooting first was more impactful and made Han a cooler character, but I agree it is fairly minor in the grand scheme.[/QUOTE]Character changes aside, the revised scene also looks really stupid. They managed to awkwardly cram in a new special effect, but the way it was paced and shot still made no sense and stuck out like a sore thumb.

Are most people here familiar with the Plinkett reviews? They're not for everyone but I find them hilarious. The guy takes it beyond simple nerd rage and carefully dissects the basic storytelling failures of the prequel movies. I'll spoiler-embed the first review video if anyone's curious (and has a LOT of time to spare... these things are long):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FxKtZmQgxrI
 
Damn, had forgotten that pre-orders on amazon use any credit applied to your account instantly. Think I'll cancel and re-order once I spend the credit down the road.
 
All this prequel/lucas hate is pathetic. Just because your vocal and whine for what, a decade now? does not mean that the majority agree with you. Its a movie, you don't like it, don't watch it. K, thnx, bye.
 
[quote name='dmaul1114']Damn, had forgotten that pre-orders on amazon use any credit applied to your account instantly. Think I'll cancel and re-order once I spend the credit down the road.[/QUOTE]

You're given the option as to whether you want to use the credit or not during checkout. Just uncheck the box the that says use $XX credit.
 
[quote name='BustaUppa']
Are most people here familiar with the Plinkett reviews? They're not for everyone but I find them hilarious. The guy takes it beyond simple nerd rage and carefully dissects the basic storytelling failures of the prequel movies. I'll spoiler-embed the first review video if anyone's curious (and has a LOT of time to spare... these things are long):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FxKtZmQgxrI
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The Plinkett reviews are well worth the hours it will take to watch them all, they're hilarious and also pretty thorough in their destruction of the prequels.
 
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[quote name='dino88']You're given the option as to whether you want to use the credit or not during checkout. Just uncheck the box the that says use $XX credit.[/QUOTE]

Thanks, I canceled and reordered and did that. I didn't see the option as for me I have to click the "change payment" button to get to the screen to uncheck that box.

I always tend to have credit from my Amazon Visa rewards that I apply to my account to mainly use for buying Kindle books, so thanks for showing me how not to spend it on other stuff. I didn't think you had an option not to use it once applying it to your account.
 
[quote name='dino88']You're given the option as to whether you want to use the credit or not during checkout. Just uncheck the box the that says use $XX credit.[/QUOTE]

Thanks, I thought you had no option but to spend credit once applied to your account. I usually just apply my Amazon visa rewards GCs to my account to use for Kindle books.

I had missed the option to not use the credits, as on my account I have to click a change payment button to get to another screen where that check box is, so thanks for the tip!
 
My god I can't believe how many people get so pissed off at things that changed. I personally loved the origionals and love the remastered ones because like others have said...the special effects weren't that great...great for that time yes. Anyway I'm good with the remastered, now I can't stand the first prequal but the second was better and the third was the sh!t. Can't wait to see those in blu, just ordered the entire set!
 
[quote name='dmaul1114']Other than Greedo shooting first, I don't really mind any of the changes--and even that one (while lame) doesn't come near ruining the movie for me since it was always a minor scene to me anyway.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, all that scene did was establish Han's entire character and personality as it was at the beginning of the movie, illustrating some of his really ugly traits, so that we could see how his character changes and grows and becomes more honorable and heroic throughout the story, setting the stage for his entire character arc throughout the three movies. Indeed, just a "minor" scene, no big deal at all. Especially not if you're not into Star Wars for all that boring character development and story arcs and stuff. That stuff is all just there as filler to get us to the totally awesome lightsaber and spaceship battles, right?

It seems that your username is derived from Episode I, so, yeah, I don't know what else I can say.

[quote name='Xenogears']All this prequel/lucas hate is pathetic. Just because your vocal and whine for what, a decade now? does not mean that the majority agree with you.[/quote]
And just because you're trying to look like some sort of badass non-nerd who thinks the changes don't matter (or, god forbid, improve the movies) or whatever, doesn't mean that a majority of people who don't hate the prequels and the Special Editions are watching Star Wars for any of the right reasons. It's not about uber-choreographed lightsaber battles in completely over-the-top settings, folks.

It's like my dumbass friends who thought that No Country For Old Men (spoilers ahead) was "totally awesome because of the way that psycho guy killed all those people with that cattle stunner, that was sick!" but that "that scene at the end where the dumb sheriff who wasn't even the main character was talking to his wife about his dumb dreams or whatever, that was really boring and pointless and didn't make sense and was a bad end to the movie, the movie should have ended with a big crazy shootout with the psycho guy and the the main guy, that would have been sick! Instead of the main guy dying off-screen, what was up with that, wasn't his battle with the psycho the main story?," like it was some sort of action schlock or something, because ARGGGG YOU fuckING DOLTS, the conversations at the end were the entire point of the movie arggg fuck you, you senseless drooling art-hating dopes.

Its a movie, you don't like it, don't watch it. K, thnx, bye.
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The problem is that we DO like the movies, but we're specifically being denied the ability to watch the versions we remember (in anything other than the worst video formats). How are you not grasping how that is bullshit?

[quote name='BustaUppa']Are most people here familiar with the Plinkett reviews? They're not for everyone but I find them hilarious. The guy takes it beyond simple nerd rage and carefully dissects the basic storytelling failures of the prequel movies.[/QUOTE]
All of the RedLetterMedia reviews are incredible (I despise all of the Star Trek TNG movies, and he explains pretty much all the reasons why in his terrific reviews of those, as well). It's not like he's saying anything new, or that people who are actually capable of critical and analytical thought didn't realize about these movies a long time ago, or that hasn't been discussed to death among the fan community, or that I myself didn't already feel, but what I appreciate about Plinkett is that he puts all of this stuff into an accessible and incredibly entertaining format, for people who have maybe thought "well, those prequels kinda sucked, but I can't really explain all the specific reasons why," but who didn't really have the insight to understand exactly why they're such travesties (and how even if there had never been any Star Wars stuff before the prequels, and the entire franchise had started in 1999 with the release of The Phantom Menace, the movies would still have sucked because they're retard-bait schlock all on their own).

I've watched the Plinkett reviews of the prequels more times than I've watched the prequels themselves. They're incredibly entertaining, even after several viewings. A much better way to kill a couple of hours, than to watch any of the actual movies.
 
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[quote name='CoffeeEdge']Yeah, all that scene did was establish Han's entire character and personality as it was at the beginning of the movie, illustrating some of his really ugly traits, so that we could see how his character changes and grows and becomes more honorable and heroic throughout the story, setting the stage for his entire character arc throughout the three movies. Indeed, just a "minor" scene, no big deal at all. Especially not if you're not into Star Wars for all that boring character development and story arcs and stuff. That stuff is all just there as filler to get us to the totally awesome lightsaber and spaceship battles, right?

It seems that your username is derived from Episode I, so, yeah, I don't know what else I can say.
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It's more just the fact that I'd watched the originals countless times, so I can just ignore that change. It doesn't change my viewing of the character. I don't like that it's there for new generations, but that's not my problem.

Anyway, people just take these movies way to seriously. I grew up on them, had tons of star wars toys as a kids etc. But at the end of the day, they're just popcorn action fantasy flicks and have never been strong on plot, acting etc. I've never looked at them like I do more artsy films like No Country for Old Men etc. I treat them the same as say some mindless action flick like Die Hard. Just with a lot more importance to film history for the advancements in special effects etc.

So yes, the space battles, light saber battles etc. were always the main appeal. I never took the plot etc. that seriously. It's just mindless escapism at it's finest.

And I'm no big fan of Episode 1. Maul was cool character though and ended up with this screen name from having a Maul figure on my desk back in college when trying to come up with a screen name for another site and I've just stuck with it.
 
[quote name='javeryh']Is the formatting of this thread messed up for anyone else or is it just me?[/QUOTE]

It was messed up on the end of the last page, seems fine for this new page (though I suppose that will vary by how many posts you have set to display per page).
 
[quote name='javeryh']Is the formatting of this thread messed up for anyone else or is it just me?[/QUOTE]

Not just you, and since it looks to me like it started with my post I'm going to assume I broke the thread. :D
 
[quote name='dmaul1114']But at the end of the day, they're just popcorn action fantasy flicks and have never been strong on plot, acting etc.[/QUOTE]

How dare you. Kenny Baker deserved an Oscar for his nuanced performance of that brave little robot.
 
[quote name='dmaul1114']But at the end of the day, they're just popcorn action fantasy flicks and have never been strong on plot, acting etc.[/quote]
What the fuck.

So yes, the space battles, light saber battles etc. were always the main appeal.
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To idiots, perhaps. Just like idiots who thought No Country For Old Men was cool just for the bolt gun, or that The Godfather has "totally awesome mobster stuff" or whatever.

I never took the plot etc. that seriously.
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Well that's your fault.
 
[quote name='bvharris']Not just you, and since it looks to me like it started with my post I'm going to assume I broke the thread. :D[/QUOTE]Yes, you did. However you embedded your video in the post is what screwed it up. Nuked the post, all fixed.

[quote name='dmaul1114']It was messed up on the end of the last page, seems fine for this new page (though I suppose that will vary by how many posts you have set to display per page).[/QUOTE]It's fixed, see above.
 
Yeah when my last post got quoted it broke the thread, whoops. :whistle2:#

On the one hand, yeah it's just a movie. But it's hard to understand the unique, spectacular brand of disappointment associated with the prequels for a lot of the fans. If you were a young nerd born at the right time, Star Wars was one of your earliest, fondest memories, and the prospect of an actual new movie to watch in a decade or so was like a light at the end of the movie-tunnel. I had a rush of excitement every time a movie trailer started because I held out hope that the new Star Wars was finally on its way. It was this vague exciting thing that your middle-school brain was fixated on. "One day I'll touch some boobies, and one day there will be new Star Wars movies." That's pretty much how my internal monologue went.

I won't go into WHY the prequels were disappointing (Plinkett already did a much better job than anyone could), I'm just trying to articulate why myself and others seem so abnormally bitter about it. :D
 
[quote name='RockMySocks10']do these tiny edits really bother people that much?
I consider myself a big Star Wars fan, I was born in '91 and didn't see Star Wars until the '97 SE VHSs came out, but from then on I loved Star Wars. The '04 DVDs came out and I got those right away, sure I noticed the little edits but I didn't mind, I don't watch the movies for those tiny little edits in the background. I watch for the great characters and amazing space battles that still fascinate people today, who cares if there is a CGI character in the background here and there. Honestly I always wondered "who's that old guy" in Jedi when you see Vader's ghost. Hayden being there doesn't bother me at all, it doesn't change the plot of the movie and I don't care if they want to change little things like that further. I did eventually see the original versions when they were released on DVD in '06 and I'm glad I have seen them in their original version but when I got to watch a Star Wars movie today I always reach for the '04 versions not the originals because I like having the cleaned up look and enhanced special effects.[/QUOTE]

George Lucas ruins things... his "true" vision of the original trilogy is utter crap.

Even so, I'm able to tolerate the Special Editions except for the bolded text above. This is the ONE thing that I cannot stand in the Special Editions. It's apalling. I do not need to be reminded of Hayden Christiansen's poor performance, nor George Lucas's abominable directing of Hayden Christiansen's poor performance, was throughout Episodes I-III.

He doesn't fucking belong in the original trilogy. Take him out.

Someone in this thread posted a link to RED LETTER MEDIA's analysis of Star Wars. If you watch that analysis and STILL think that George Lucas knew what he was doing with the prequels, you invalidate yourself.


[quote name='Xenogears']All this prequel/lucas hate is pathetic. Just because your vocal and whine for what, a decade now? does not mean that the majority agree with you. Its a movie, you don't like it, don't watch it. K, thnx, bye.[/QUOTE]

It's not just a matter of people rebelling against George Lucas' changes, and hating because they want to hate (well, not always anyway). They WANT the original trilogy remastered and they can't have it. So they'll complain until they get it. Complaining and bitching gets things done, so let people complain. There's nothing pathetic about it. If people didn't complain about things they cared about (no matter how trivial it is to you), the world would be a disaster.
 
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[quote name='GuardianE']I do not need to be reminded of Hayden Christiansen's poor performance, nor George Lucas's abominable directing of Hayden Christiansen's poor performance, was throughout Episodes I-III.[/QUOTE]

Hayden Christiansen was only in Episodes II and III!!! ;)
 
[quote name='javeryh']Hayden Christiansen was only in Episodes II and III!!! ;)[/QUOTE]

Wait for the next version of Episode I, where Anakin goes back in time to give himself advice on how to win the Pod Race.
 
[quote name='CoffeeEdge']What the fuck.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, I would have to agree that it's a little bit much to say that the Star Wars, at least the original trilogy, are just popcorn movies. Yes, they are these huge epics with a lot of action, but their stories are still pretty good. Lucas was nominated for the Academy Award for writing (and directing) Star Wars, and I think most people would agree that Empire was the stronger movie. Yeah, Jedi can obviously be corny at times, but there are still great moments in it.
 
[quote name='GuardianE']Wait for the next version of Episode I, where Anakin goes back in time to give himself advice on how to win the Pod Race.[/QUOTE]

LOL. Episode I: Special Edition!!!
 
[quote name='CoffeeEdge']
To idiots, perhaps. Just like idiots who thought No Country For Old Men was cool just for the bolt gun, or that The Godfather has "totally awesome mobster stuff" or whatever.
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And I fit neither of those. I loved No Country for Old Men, and thought the ending was perfect, and The Godfather is probably the best movie of all time, and has some of the best character development of any film.

I just seen none of that level of art in Star Wars. I love them, but just as slightly cheesy popcorn fantasy flicks.

Others just take them way to seriously and waste time arguing ad nauseum over the same shit on forums for decades.

Oh well, at least this thread is useful for adding some more morons to the ignore list.
 
[quote name='dmaul1114']Oh well, at least this thread is useful for adding some more morons to the ignore list.[/QUOTE]

No kidding.
 
[quote name='dmaul1114']And I fit neither of those. I loved No Country for Old Men, and thought the ending was perfect, and The Godfather is probably the best movie of all time, and has some of the best character development of any film.

I just seen none of that level of art in Star Wars. I love them, but just as slightly cheesy popcorn fantasy flicks.

Others just take them way to seriously and waste time arguing ad nauseum over the same shit on forums for decades.

Oh well, at least this thread is useful for adding some more morons to the ignore list.[/QUOTE]


I really don't get this argument. What's wrong with people taking things "too seriously"? Too seriously for you, I guess. Some people don't think of movies as forms of art AT ALL. So to them, you're taking both No Country for Old Men and The Godfather too seriously. Some people taking gaming too seriously. Some people take books too seriously. Some people take competitive sports too seriously. Waste time? Whose time? Certainly not your time, since you're above that. So, I guess their time. I'm pretty sure it's their call on whether something is a waste of their time or not.

Should people only argue or debate about things that advance humanity as a whole? It just seems like a pretentious and overgeneralizing statement.
 
Take it how you will. It just gets old seeing the same negative nancies arguing about the same shit that's been beaten to death on the internet since the special editions came out over a decade ago.

But yes, I think it's generally a huge waste of time to argue about movies, music, games, art etc. At the end of the day the only opinion that matters is your own. I enjoy a movie (or not) for my own reasons) and generally don't give two shits what anyone else thought about it, nor really care about pressing my opinion on others.

I mean it's somewhat interesting to hear what other's think about a movie or whatever. But not to the point of getting into heated arguments over.
 
[quote name='CoffeeEdge'] And just because you're trying to look like some sort of badass non-nerd who thinks the changes don't matter (or, god forbid, improve the movies) or whatever, doesn't mean that a majority of people who don't hate the prequels and the Special Editions are watching Star Wars for any of the right reasons.
ARGGGG YOU fuckING DOLTS, the conversations at the end were the entire point of the movie arggg fuck you, you senseless drooling art-hating dopes.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, internet debate with crazed fanboys...bad idea, but here I go. Your first point about me trying to be some badass "non-nerd" is just as stupid as your other baseless insults to anyone that doesnt agree with you. I have read 20+ starwars Extended Unvierse books, have a huge star wars collection, have even gone to a few conventions. Thats Nerdy. So your wrong there bud.

"doesn't mean that a majority of people who don't hate the prequels and the Special Editions are watching Star Wars for any of the right reasons." Seriously, shut the fuck up with that kind of talk. Who are you to say what the "right" reasons for watching a movie are, or why someone is watching it. The problem with most of the people that dont like the prequels and are vocal about is that they express their anger/hate/butthurt with self-righteous views like this, and condemnation for anyone that doesnt agree. Look at the countless comments of "your a terrorist" if you like the prequels or changes, and things like that. They are simply a CHANGE, some like it, some dont, most dont give a shit. Its another way to watch the movie. Maybe sometime a change will be for the better, maybe it wont. But i am glad they continue to try.

ARGGGG YOU fuckING DOLTS, the conversations at the end were the entire point of the movie arggg fuck you, you senseless drooling art-hating dopes - Just wanted to LOL at that...get a grip

In regards to your comment - whats wrong with taking it "too seriously", thats not quite the problem. Its how negative, and closed minded some of the most adament lucas/prequel haters are. Its crazy, annoying, and many get tired of it. I know i am.
 
[quote name='Xenogears']
In regards to your comment - whats wrong with taking it "too seriously", thats not quite the problem. Its how negative, and closed minded some of the most adament lucas/prequel haters are. Its crazy, annoying, and many get tired of it. I know i am.[/QUOTE]

That's more of what I meant with my "too serious" comment.

Nothing seems more pointless than wasting time on the internet bitching about things you don't like. Life is far to short to waste time being a negative asshole bitching endlessly about things you didn't enjoy.

It's one thing to spend time discussing movies or whatever that you enjoy over and over. It's another to keep saying the same negative crap over and over.

But some people are just that way. *shrugs* I try to focus on the positive myself--pretty silly to get into any kind of negativity over a hobby which is supposed to be fun and make you happy! If I don't like a movie (or change to a movie) or game or whatever I move on and watch/play and discuss ones I do enjoy--not keep bitching about the ones I didn't enjoy like a broken record.
 
@Xenogears:
So you didn't really explain why you apparently think it's bad that lots of people want the original versions with a quality video presentation, and are upset that they have been specifically denied this, and will continued to be denied it for the forseeable future.

Look, I don't care about the prequels themselves. I can forget about them. The problem with the prequels, is that their existence is what's helping fuel Lucas' insane drive to keep fucking with 30 year old movies, the originals, until they somehow conform to his "vision" for some movies he just made, and that he is absolutely hellbent on preventing people from getting ahold of the un-messed-with versions. That's what I'm negative about. I can't see the movies that I love in a decent format, because of some new ones he made over 20 years later, and his insistence on somehow getting them all to coalesce.

And it's not about being "closed-minded." Trust me, I waited my entire life for the prequels, and I really, really wanted to like them. I don't see what you meant by that. Does not liking utter horseshit make someone "closed-minded"?
 
[quote name='CoffeeEdge']@Xenogears:
So you didn't really explain why you apparently think it's bad that lots of people want the original versions with a quality video presentation, and are upset that they have been specifically denied this, and will continued to be denied it for the forseeable future.
[/QUOTE]

There's nothing wrong with that. He should put out the original versions. I'd like to have them myself.

That said, people have been bitching about this for years and it just gets old after a while.

Bitching on a random video game site isn't going to entice Lucas to release the originals. The simple fact is those are never getting remastered into HD until maybe after he's dead and someone in his who doesn't share his vision/care about it lets it be done so they can cash in on the franchise.
 
[quote name='Xenogears']In regards to your comment - whats wrong with taking it "too seriously", thats not quite the problem. Its how negative, and closed minded some of the most adament lucas/prequel haters are. Its crazy, annoying, and many get tired of it. I know i am.[/QUOTE]


That makes a bit more sense, but I still don't think negativity is necessarily a bad thing. Hostility, maybe, but not negativity. People have seen the Special Editions, didn't like them, and want the options of buying the old ones again. The hostility probably stems from frustration that they may never get that option.

People are very vocal about this topic, but I appreciate their enthusiasm because it's the only way to get things changed in entertainment media. Backlash is important. And usually, something's done about it... in the case of Lucas, he doesn't give a fuck. But eventually, he'll die and someone else will have put feelers into the market, and capitalize on it.

EDIT: I think a lot of my post became moot as I was writing it, but oh wells.
 
[quote name='GuardianE']That makes a bit more sense, but I still don't think negativity is necessarily a bad thing. Hostility, maybe, but not negativity. [/QUOTE]

Agreed...mostly. There are few things more pathetic than when people get hostile and insult others over opinions on stupid shit like movies. Life's stressful enough with work, relationships etc. to not go freak out and get pissed off over hobbies.

Negativity is understandable. Though I still don't have much patience for people who wallow in negativity and are always bitching about things they don't like, rather than trying to focus on enjoying things they do like.

Yeah, backlash is needed to get change. But not on forum sites that aren't even related directly to the topic at hand. Boycotts, e-mails to studios saying you're not buying due to the lack of the original versions etc. is usually the more fruitful way to express displeasure.

Though as you note, in this case Lucas doesn't care and will never change his mind as he prefers the SEs and that's the way he wants people to view his films now. So there's little to do but live with that and hope they get remastered after he passes on.
 
So what do you guys thing of my back tattoo? I got it just yesterday to commemorate the blu-ray announcement:

star-wars-back-tat.jpg
 
[quote name='dmaul1114']The simple fact is those are never getting remastered into HD until maybe after he's dead and someone in his who doesn't share his vision/care about it lets it be done so they can cash in on the franchise.[/QUOTE]

Why do people actually believe this?
 
[quote name='CoffeeEdge']Why do people actually believe this?[/QUOTE]

Because George Lucas is likely insane, but his name still has a great deal of weight. Nothing will happen unless he wants it to. And he doesn't want it to.
 
[quote name='GuardianE']Because George Lucas is likely insane, but his name still has a great dael of weight. Nothing will happen unless he wants it to. And he doesn't want it to.[/QUOTE]

Exactly. And it's not the weight of his name, they're his movies. He has complete copyright control over it.

He's said repeatedly that the SE's are the versions he wants people to see, and that the originals aren't coming out. Just said recently that it would be "too costly" to remaster the originals in HD at a decent quality given the existing film stock for them (probably BS, but he said it).

They'll never come out on his watch. So it's either watch the SEs and ignore the changes, or stick with the Laserdiscs, VHS or non-anomorphic DVDs.


Hell, I can't say I blame him. If I had more money than I knew what to do with, and had to listen to a bunch of nerds bitching about things like this, I'd probably refuse to put them out just to spite them!
 
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